| 6/26/2008 11:47:14 AM | In his Image?? | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| | 1. Of course it is supposed to be literal | | 2. It clearly states it is a spiritual text | | 3. I'm not sure | | 4. Other |
So what do you think this means?
So many people interpret the Bible literally, even though we know it was written in parable and artistic style both because jesus said so, and because we have comparisons of the same styles of writing from the same periods that the bible was written in.
The Books of the New Testament span a time period of over 150 years. most of the new testament are Catholic books written by and for early Christians as teaching tools and to keep their spirits up as they were enduring persecution.
The same persecution that many people of many different faiths are suffering RIGHT NOW.
so how much does your understanding of the history of the Bible play in your interpretation?
Is the Bible meant to be interpreted Literally.
or as a text dealing specifically with our spiritual selves?
Please, explain why.  Thanks
| | 6/26/2008 12:15:01 PM | In his Image?? | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| How one views the bible depends on many things...The more i learned about the psychology of humans and ancient history the less credibility i gave to the bible as a revelation.
That so many "born again" with the assistance of a "holy spirit" are so ignorant, compulsive, easily swayed , and mean, if not down right pure evil, proves that the christian experience is nothing more than a neurotic coping mechanism if not a psychosis....
we really don't know what was happening in the bible...we can literally take the words as written or we can interpret using our own knowledge of the world...Depending upon the extent of our magical thinking we can see many things through our senses if suggested that we can...Again, what we are "seeing", we do not really know. But the mind will make a story to fit and fill in the blanks with stuff so that it makes some sense to us...there is probably some evolutionary reason for this....
the bible is a mesh mash of many things...sorting it all out is complicated by those who wish to make it or keep it as a "sacred" revelation, which is probably not even part of the mesh mash...
"Anyone who engages in the practice of psycho- therapy confronts every day the devastation wrought by the teachings of religion. "- Nathanial Branden Ph.D., "The Psychology of Self-esteem
"The compulsive quest for certainty is not the expression of genuine faith but is rooted in the need to conquer the unbearable doubt."
Erich Fromm
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my part, I sincerely detest it as I detest everything that is cruel".
Thomas Paine
| | 6/26/2008 12:48:03 PM | In his Image?? | | nwgrown
White City, OR
age: 55
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
| | 6/26/2008 2:56:30 PM | In his Image?? | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
THE MORE INTELLECTUAL ONE BECOMES THE FURTHER FROM GOD THEY BECOME.
[Edited 6/26/2008 2:57:38 PM]
| | 6/26/2008 5:31:19 PM | In his Image?? | | bldbght
Martinsburg, WV
age: 39
| you two are led by your own self conciouse desire to be GOD.
| | 6/26/2008 5:35:14 PM | In his Image?? | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| you two are led by your own self conciouse desire to be GOD.
we could never be God, but God will always guide us with Truth, not ignorance, not some BS, nor hypocisy, not self guided, not false teaching/preaching. Now you, that is another issue.
| | 6/26/2008 6:57:37 PM | In his Image?? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Denise, as someone else pointed out to you before in another thread, the first scripture you quote means that what happens is not dependent on youre interpretation, or rather your interpretation of what is right or wrong is of NO consequence, you did NOT answer the question.
the second one is a reference to Inspiration, which you aspparently are interpreting as being literal? Is this correct?
The point of both, is that it is GODS will that is manifest, even the things that happen that are evil exist because of Gods absence from them, man has domain only over the physical matter, He may or may not choose to navigate the physical world through spirit.
I believe this is what God meant when he said Adam fell into a deep sleep before Eve arived. the point was that he became completely living in his mind, he forgot that he was a divine creature because he was living HIS own will. this is what set him apart from the males anf emales that Genesis says were on this planet before there was land, and WHY Adam is the first human to be named. naming them sets things seperate from God because it defines it, and tells others what it is CONCEIVED to be, God is only concerned with what it is.
| | 6/26/2008 7:00:37 PM | In his Image?? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
THE MORE INTELLECTUAL ONE BECOMES THE FURTHER FROM GOD THEY BECOME.
This is exactly supportive of what I said to nw above, and is completely true, So why do you continue to interpret the bible in the physical mental intellectual context, when it is a spiritual context? I am confused.
This is because the original sin is the creation of the human psyche and the human intellect, and the human self as we know it. It represents humans seperating themselves from God by believing they are seperate from God.
and if you believe this, you couldn't possibly interpret the bIble literallya s you seem to do.
| | 6/26/2008 7:06:43 PM | In his Image?? | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
THE MORE INTELLECTUAL ONE BECOMES THE FURTHER FROM GOD THEY BECOME. This is exactly supportive of what I said to nw above, and is completely true, So why do you continue to interpret the bible in the physical mental intellectual context, when it is a spiritual context? I am confused.
This is because the original sin is the creation of the human psyche and the human intellect, and the human self as we know it. It represents humans seperating themselves from God by believing they are seperate from God.
and if you believe this, you couldn't possibly interpret the bIble literallya s you seem to do.
FIRST I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT "YOU", AND SECOND THE INTERPRETATIONS I USE ARE THE INTERPRETATIONS CHRIST GAVE TO HIS DISCIPLES, AND WERE COMPLETED AT PENTECOST WHEN THEY RECEVIED THE HOLY SPIRIT. SO THE INTERPRETATIONS I USE ARE DIRECTLY AS GOD GAVE THEM OVER 2000 YEARS AGO AND HAVE BEEN HANDED DOWN GENERATION AFTER GENERATION, AFTER GENERATION, UNBROKEN. I DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE, IT ALREADY WAS GIVEN TO US. SOMETHING MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT.
[Edited 6/26/2008 7:07:48 PM]
| | 6/26/2008 7:13:10 PM | In his Image?? | | 
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Denise, as someone else pointed out to you before in another thread, the first scripture you quote means that what happens is not dependent on youre interpretation, or rather your interpretation of what is right or wrong is of NO consequence, you did NOT answer the question.
the second one is a reference to Inspiration, which you aspparently are interpreting as being literal? Is this correct?
The point of both, is that it is GODS will that is manifest, even the things that happen that are evil exist because of Gods absence from them, man has domain only over the physical matter, He may or may not choose to navigate the physical world through spirit.
I believe this is what God meant when he said Adam fell into a deep sleep before Eve arived. the point was that he became completely living in his mind, he forgot that he was a divine creature because he was living HIS own will. this is what set him apart from the males anf emales that Genesis says were on this planet before there was land, and WHY Adam is the first human to be named. naming them sets things seperate from God because it defines it, and tells others what it is CONCEIVED to be, God is only concerned with what it is.
you say, you believe. simple question, why do you believe that?
| | 6/26/2008 7:21:31 PM | In his Image?? | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Denise, as someone else pointed out to you before in another thread, the first scripture you quote means that what happens is not dependent on youre interpretation, or rather your interpretation of what is right or wrong is of NO consequence, you did NOT answer the question.
the second one is a reference to Inspiration, which you aspparently are interpreting as being literal? Is this correct?
The point of both, is that it is GODS will that is manifest, even the things that happen that are evil exist because of Gods absence from them, man has domain only over the physical matter, He may or may not choose to navigate the physical world through spirit.
I believe this is what God meant when he said Adam fell into a deep sleep before Eve arived. the point was that he became completely living in his mind, he forgot that he was a divine creature because he was living HIS own will. this is what set him apart from the males anf emales that Genesis says were on this planet before there was land, and WHY Adam is the first human to be named. naming them sets things seperate from God because it defines it, and tells others what it is CONCEIVED to be, God is only concerned with what it is. you say, you believe. simple question, why do you believe that?
KNIGHT, SOME OF THE THINGS PEOPLE COME UP. WHERE THEY GET THIS STUFF IS JUST TRULY TRULY FRIGHTENING
| | 6/26/2008 9:56:45 PM | In his Image?? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
THE MORE INTELLECTUAL ONE BECOMES THE FURTHER FROM GOD THEY BECOME. This is exactly supportive of what I said to nw above, and is completely true, So why do you continue to interpret the bible in the physical mental intellectual context, when it is a spiritual context? I am confused.
This is because the original sin is the creation of the human psyche and the human intellect, and the human self as we know it. It represents humans seperating themselves from God by believing they are seperate from God.
and if you believe this, you couldn't possibly interpret the bIble literallya s you seem to do. FIRST I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT "YOU", AND SECOND THE INTERPRETATIONS I USE ARE THE INTERPRETATIONS CHRIST GAVE TO HIS DISCIPLES, AND WERE COMPLETED AT PENTECOST WHEN THEY RECEVIED THE HOLY SPIRIT. SO THE INTERPRETATIONS I USE ARE DIRECTLY AS GOD GAVE THEM OVER 2000 YEARS AGO AND HAVE BEEN HANDED DOWN GENERATION AFTER GENERATION, AFTER GENERATION, UNBROKEN. I DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE, IT ALREADY WAS GIVEN TO US. SOMETHING MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT.
we have already covered this, if you read it, and get anything out of it, you are interpreting it, and guess what? you also are interpreting the interpretation, and as always I will point out , it is the context, the intention in which the thing is written that is the truth.
And don't flatter yourself, this is a perfect example of how you take things out of context. I did NOT for a second assume you were talking about ME.
and I was not talking about myself, but humans. It is the proccess inw hich we go from being pure as children and are " born INTO sin" we are speaking of the original sin, which is the birth of the intellect, and you still misinterpret it?? so you heard the message but didn't understand it.
[Edited 6/26/2008 9:58:35 PM]
| | 6/26/2008 10:02:43 PM | In his Image?? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Denise, as someone else pointed out to you before in another thread, the first scripture you quote means that what happens is not dependent on youre interpretation, or rather your interpretation of what is right or wrong is of NO consequence, you did NOT answer the question.
the second one is a reference to Inspiration, which you aspparently are interpreting as being literal? Is this correct?
The point of both, is that it is GODS will that is manifest, even the things that happen that are evil exist because of Gods absence from them, man has domain only over the physical matter, He may or may not choose to navigate the physical world through spirit.
I believe this is what God meant when he said Adam fell into a deep sleep before Eve arived. the point was that he became completely living in his mind, he forgot that he was a divine creature because he was living HIS own will. this is what set him apart from the males anf emales that Genesis says were on this planet before there was land, and WHY Adam is the first human to be named. naming them sets things seperate from God because it defines it, and tells others what it is CONCEIVED to be, God is only concerned with what it is. you say, you believe. simple question, why do you believe that?
I answered that question, when I asked the original question, because it is true, because no matter where you look the truth of it is there, and the truth cannot be proven false and the only thing that is worth anything.
It is in every single holy book, they coroborate each OTHERS message, and since Jesus himself said there would be many prophets, I trust the message because it is true. I recognize it to be the truth.
when you read the Bible in the correct context, which is that the bible is concerned ONLY, and God is concerned ONLY with spirit, as Jesus says over and over, it is obvious.
I recognize it the same way I recognize the truth in fairy tales and literature. whatever form the message comesin, if it is true it is of god.
[Edited 6/26/2008 10:03:34 PM]
| | 6/27/2008 4:58:35 AM | In his Image?? | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
THE MORE INTELLECTUAL ONE BECOMES THE FURTHER FROM GOD THEY BECOME. This is exactly supportive of what I said to nw above, and is completely true, So why do you continue to interpret the bible in the physical mental intellectual context, when it is a spiritual context? I am confused.
This is because the original sin is the creation of the human psyche and the human intellect, and the human self as we know it. It represents humans seperating themselves from God by believing they are seperate from God.
and if you believe this, you couldn't possibly interpret the bIble literallya s you seem to do. FIRST I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT "YOU", AND SECOND THE INTERPRETATIONS I USE ARE THE INTERPRETATIONS CHRIST GAVE TO HIS DISCIPLES, AND WERE COMPLETED AT PENTECOST WHEN THEY RECEVIED THE HOLY SPIRIT. SO THE INTERPRETATIONS I USE ARE DIRECTLY AS GOD GAVE THEM OVER 2000 YEARS AGO AND HAVE BEEN HANDED DOWN GENERATION AFTER GENERATION, AFTER GENERATION, UNBROKEN. I DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE, IT ALREADY WAS GIVEN TO US. SOMETHING MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT. we have already covered this, if you read it, and get anything out of it, you are interpreting it, and guess what? you also are interpreting the interpretation, and as always I will point out , it is the context, the intention in which the thing is written that is the truth.
And don't flatter yourself, this is a perfect example of how you take things out of context. I did NOT for a second assume you were talking about ME.
and I was not talking about myself, but humans. It is the proccess inw hich we go from being pure as children and are " born INTO sin" we are speaking of the original sin, which is the birth of the intellect, and you still misinterpret it?? so you heard the message but didn't understand it.
CURIOUS, IF I WERE YOU, YOU SHOULD LEARN BEFORE YOU SPEAK. YOU SPEAK AS A FALSE PROPHET. YOUR UNDERSTANDING MANY TIMES CONTRADICTS THE WORD OF GOD. YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT, YET YOU INSIST ON MOCKING HIM.
THE INTERPREATION IS WHAT WAS GIVEN, NOT MY INTERPRETATION, SO I SEE YOU ARE WEAK IN SIMPLE BASICS. TO BALSPHEM IS AN UNFORGIVIABLE SIN. OR DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT. IT APPEARS YOU MAY NOT.
YOU HAVE EYES TO SEE BUT YOU ARE BLINDED, YOU HAVE EARS TO HEAR, BUT YOU DO NOT LISTEN. YOU DO NOT HEAR GOD, YOU DO NOT HEAR THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU HEAR THE VOICE OF EVIL AND CONTINUE TO SPEAK EVIL. AND EACH TIME YOU DO, YOU WILL GET CORRECTED UNTIL YOU OPEN YOUR EAYS AND EARS TO GOD, NOT THAT FALSE VOICE YOU PERCEIVE TO BE GOD. BUT GOD WILL ONLY DO THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIEM AND THEN LET YOU JUST FALL.
[Edited 6/27/2008 4:59:40 AM]
| | 6/27/2008 7:02:54 AM | In his Image?? | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
| Geesh, wonder how many times I have to post this:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Denise, as someone else pointed out to you before in another thread, the first scripture you quote means that what happens is not dependent on youre interpretation, or rather your interpretation of what is right or wrong is of NO consequence, you did NOT answer the question.
the second one is a reference to Inspiration, which you aspparently are interpreting as being literal? Is this correct?
The point of both, is that it is GODS will that is manifest, even the things that happen that are evil exist because of Gods absence from them, man has domain only over the physical matter, He may or may not choose to navigate the physical world through spirit.
I believe this is what God meant when he said Adam fell into a deep sleep before Eve arived. the point was that he became completely living in his mind, he forgot that he was a divine creature because he was living HIS own will. this is what set him apart from the males anf emales that Genesis says were on this planet before there was land, and WHY Adam is the first human to be named. naming them sets things seperate from God because it defines it, and tells others what it is CONCEIVED to be, God is only concerned with what it is. you say, you believe. simple question, why do you believe that? I answered that question, when I asked the original question, because it is true, because no matter where you look the truth of it is there, and the truth cannot be proven false and the only thing that is worth anything.
It is in every single holy book, they coroborate each OTHERS message, and since Jesus himself said there would be many prophets, I trust the message because it is true. I recognize it to be the truth.
when you read the Bible in the correct context, which is that the bible is concerned ONLY, and God is concerned ONLY with spirit, as Jesus says over and over, it is obvious.
I recognize it the same way I recognize the truth in fairy tales and literature. whatever form the message comesin, if it is true it is of god.
I'm curious, how you can determine the 'right' context? You say, that no matter where you look the truth is there. That is a true statement if there ever was one. The problem lies with whom you are reading it with. satan is known for twisting truth and giving you comfort in being wrong.
Please explain that 'right' context you refer to. And what holy books are you referring to?
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