| 6/26/2008 11:51:44 AM | What was jesus Message? | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| It seems there is great disagreement on what it takes to be saved, and what it means to be saved, and what Jesus' role in the proccess is and was.
So what do you think?
was jesus a political activist? a person chosen by God to be of pure spirit, yet a man of flesh sent here to show us how to live and worship GOD?
or Was Jesus a really perfect man that God sent here to be murdered for sins we would commit in the future?
Or was jesus God Himself?
was Jesus God in physical form? or was he a prophet sent here to teach?
And what was jesus' message? that we have to love him?
or that we should live and act in harmoney with spirit and what is right?
or both
or other?
Thanks for your opinions they are truly appreciated.
| | 6/26/2008 7:25:04 PM | What was jesus Message? | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| None of those....especially the god thing and the other.
| | 6/26/2008 10:11:15 PM | What was jesus Message? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| None of those....especially the god thing and the other.
Lmao, what do you think it was?
I find it so odd that so many people think that our creator is just a big bully that set up his ONLY SON to die this horrible death, for what? an example?
no, this is rediculous.
I think jesus was a spiritual being of pure spirit, but he was a man, and I think the fact that this child of an unwed mother became a teacher of tolerance escapes most everyone, and is a message NOT to be judgmental in itself, but of course the church couldn't allow that, and almost 100 years after he died they turned him into a GOD, completely disrespecting the true sacrifice of his Life.
I find it purile and rediculously arrogant to assume the church has knowledge we don't.
| | 6/26/2008 10:37:01 PM | What was jesus Message? | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "Lmao, what do you think it was? "
i know, but if i tell anyone i will be crucifried...hung on a cross and burned with saturated fat oil!!!..
and i'm suppose to watch out for saturated fats!!!!...
| | 6/26/2008 10:46:17 PM | What was jesus Message? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| "Lmao, what do you think it was? "
i know, but if i tell anyone i will be crucifried...hung on a cross and burned with saturated fat oil!!!..
and i'm suppose to watch out for saturated fats!!!!...
that, I cannot believe the judgmental turn this forum has taken. wow people are even attacking strings? and he is always so passive and peaceful, it seems strange that someone would attack someone that has dedicated his life to spreading spirit through music doesn't it?
what chance do WE have? lol they always attack the rabble rousers first,lol
| | 6/26/2008 10:57:13 PM | What was jesus Message? | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| I chose which posts to read and which to respond to carefully....
To read all is not healthy....What i don't know about can't bring disease.
I am here for me, not to save another or the world...for those here to save another,
good luck!..that Yashua dude tried and failed.....wish he had left the incantation to make
wine!!
| | 6/26/2008 11:03:36 PM | What was jesus Message? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| I chose which posts to read and which to respond to carefully....
To read all is not healthy....What i don't know about can't bring disease.
I am here for me, not to save another or the world...for those here to save another,
good luck!..that Yashua dude tried and failed.....wish he had left the incantation to make
wine!!
Amen- what would possess someone to try to deprive another of their journey to enlightenment.
| | 6/27/2008 12:32:24 AM | What was jesus Message? | | 
dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51
| "READ THE RED LETTERS"
LOVE YOU GUYS, See ya in Heaven!!!
Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.
Oh by the way, read the red letters
[Edited 6/27/2008 12:33:46 AM]
| | 7/5/2008 9:53:51 PM | What was jesus Message? | | roggor
Merlin, OR
age: 80
| It seems that forgiveness was the central theme. Letting go of the desire to harm someone who has done you harm. Think of the revenge cycle in the middle east between Jew and Palestinian, a tit for tat never-ending state of hatred. Another theme had to do with equality, that no one is better than anyone else. He modeled this by not allowing others to place him above themselves. Thus, he supplied at least two of the foundational stones of Peace: forgiveness and equality.
| | 7/5/2008 10:30:11 PM | What was jesus Message? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| It seems that forgiveness was the central theme. Letting go of the desire to harm someone who has done you harm. Think of the revenge cycle in the middle east between Jew and Palestinian, a tit for tat never-ending state of hatred. Another theme had to do with equality, that no one is better than anyone else. He modeled this by not allowing others to place him above themselves. Thus, he supplied at least two of the foundational stones of Peace: forgiveness and equality.
I agree with that as well.
I believe that Jesus was sent to an unwed mother as a lesson NOT to judge, but I believe he was sent here in a constant state of grace. his spirit was ligned with Right from the start.
I think the people had become faithless because of the church, and Jesus came to prove to the people the church was being led by hypocrites, and to show them the proper way to live, and seek God.. but I think the catholics subverted his message as he said they would, and had done.
but the value in jesus' sacrifice is that the church was spilt between spiritual people, and religious ones.
those full of spirit saw the hypocrisy of the church, and heard the message and began to find enlightenment and salvation because they SAW the truth.
and if we seek only the truth, we will have enlightenment too eventually,lol
I find truth in this as well, by Buddhas Life which was the opposite of Jesus', happend before jesus did, but they both came back to spirit.
Buddha was raised in a state of non suffering, and escaped to discover suffering, and return to non suffering.
Jesus came from suffering, lived in suffering spiritually, and returned to suffering at death, and then of course both died and returned to spirit. they both went into solitude and gained enlightenment.
| | 7/5/2008 11:23:00 PM | What was jesus Message? | | 
dbsuma
Lakewood, OH
age: 40
| It seems that forgiveness was the central theme. Letting go of the desire to harm someone who has done you harm. Think of the revenge cycle in the middle east between Jew and Palestinian, a tit for tat never-ending state of hatred. Another theme had to do with equality, that no one is better than anyone else. He modeled this by not allowing others to place him above themselves. Thus, he supplied at least two of the foundational stones of Peace: forgiveness and equality.
Indeed, it does seem that was mainly his message.
I think in many ways Hinduism and Judaism were a lot of like.
Mankind invents his own religion for his own needs and these two religions were mainly held by warrior types. Which is fine and ok, if you live in a mud hut thousands of years ago but really have no place in the modern world.
Judaism seems to be some sort of weird militaristic cult and early Hindu writings offered such helpful advice as, if you conquer a people, then sacrifice them to the gods, as it will be easier than trying to find a way to feed them all.
But such barbaric religions don't really work all that well beyond in the modern era, so I'd think that Jesus was more like the Jewish Buddha seeking to transform the warrior religion into more of a social co-operative religion.
"Love thy neighbor"
"Do unto others"
etc.
It does seem that evolution follows a patter, first we ate plants, then bones marrow of animals found on the ground. Once we developed a taste for meat we soon learned to hunt.
And hunting tribes can and did easily transform into warrior tribes, hunting other men instead of animals. But other went further and developed agriculture and domesticating animals so they won't have to go tearing a** around the forest looking for food everyday.
So with the new change in man we needed new religions to promote co-operative needs of larger communities who needed to rely on each other.
Beating each other with clubs for a larger share of the meat just wouldn't do anymore, nor slaughtering your neighbors only to gain only a little more food.
Mankind now needed to work collectively to serve the needs of their society these two different kinds of societies have constantly clashed over the years and continue to do so up until today. Basically the farmers vs the hunter warriors.
Granted our society has now changed far beyond the needs of a farmers religion but no real viable option has been offered to assist man in the post modern era, yet.
So yes, the Jews rejected Jesus, much to their own detriment, which left them out in the desert throwing shit at each other while Europe flourished.
India also rejected Buddhism but it's impact had an effect on Hinduism and they adopted many Buddhist ideas into Hinduism, transforming the religion rather than replacing it.
But now I think we need a new religion, as we have far outgrown the ones we have and they do not serve the people anymore. I think modern mans dabblings in the occult is only a verification that he is searching for something more practical, though has yet gone unfound or universally accepted.
As far as being "saved" or "enlightened" I'm not sure I'd agree with any Christian view of what that might take. I'd assume that it should be left up to individuals to find their own way. These concepts may very well be relative and subjective but I'd likely agree that perhaps different paths might share great commonalities and could be argued as being absolute in some sense.
But for sure that you can tell a person till you are blue in the face and they won't figure it out till they find it themselves.
I'd suggest that being saved is not some sick twisted Christian concept of only believing in some imaginary god, which won't really save anyone, except to the lesser extent that it might keep you in line more often.
But being "saved" as it were would be liberation from you animal self and becoming a logical, compassionate, humble, responsible adult who is able to interact in society in a productive way that will both serve himself and humanity as a whole and NOT JUST THE JEWS.
That there are obvious self destructive behavior that people will tend to engage in, I've done it myself, for years on end, but it doesn't really get you anywhere.
So one must save themselves, if possible and figure out how to serve themselves in a more positive and productive manner and thereby society as a whole, I suppose.
That might not get you anywhere either but you are likely to be a lot happier and healthier in the end.
I'm sure the Christians will tell me that I'm wrong, even leave a bible quote saying that you have to believe that Jesus is the son of god to be saved and once you believe that then you can be the dirtiest rotten bastard that you want to be and it won't matter, but that's total f**king bullshit to me.
And yes, if such a historical figure, as described in the bible did exist, I do think he was more of a social and political figure rather than a religious one.
A rich aristocratic priest class held a monopoly on religion in those days, but I think that Jesus was more of a Disestablishmentarian.
Basically I think Jesus was some guy who looked at the world and said "Wow, you guys are f**ked up", "let's try NOT being total a**holes for a change?" and they kindly killed him for pointing that out to them.
It happens all the time, you know.
It is just one of those things.
Those people who have a vested interested in the problems of societies, protect it from anyone who might wish to correct those problems, effectively or not.
[Edited 7/5/2008 11:25:28 PM]
| | 7/5/2008 11:48:02 PM | What was jesus Message? | | 
lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 51
| Curious..not Quite...Sorry Pal but Not really Straight there on Whole thing in a nutshell..But You definatly Got Stuff..Just a little mixed.with other Beliefs...But Your spiritual person,very much a Love Child..and thatz cool...Just ya gota get the stuff a little More in Order,same stories..OK Im confusing myself..Stay Cool it suits Ya..      
| | 7/6/2008 12:28:42 AM | What was jesus Message? | | 
stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 63
| I find it so odd that so many people think that our creator is just a big bully that set up his ONLY SON to die this horrible death, for what? an example?
Where is the verifiable evidence to say otherwise, it does states in the OT, yahweh is a god of war and all through his stories and history its always been that way. Just put forward verifiable evidence for the opposite and you will have your answer.
| | 7/6/2008 12:46:31 AM | What was jesus Message? | | roggor
Merlin, OR
age: 80
| I find it so odd that so many people think that our creator is just a big bully that set up his ONLY SON to die this horrible death, for what? an example?
Where is the verifiable evidence to say otherwise, it does states in the OT, yahweh is a god of war and all through his stories and history its always been that way. Just put forward verifiable evidence for the opposite and you will have your answer.
Which brings to mind what Jesus said: "If you see me, you see the Father," and since Jesus was a man of peace and Yahweh a God (man?) of war, then the logical conclusion is that the god of the old testament is not the father of Jesus.
| | 7/6/2008 1:34:02 AM | What was jesus Message? | |
stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 63
| Which brings to mind what Jesus said: "If you see me, you see the Father," and since Jesus was a man of peace and Yahweh a God (man?) of war, then the logical conclusion is that the god of the old testament is not the father of Jesus.
What's more logical according to the evidence, is neither god or jesus ever existed other than within the minds of the superstitious based gullible and primitive minded.
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