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| 7/4/2008 10:03:21 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| For all those who openly want to discuss Gods Word, scripture, and to learn and gain understanding, this thread is for you. You will not be blocked, you will not be gagged, you are free to voice your views as you see fit. No one will stop you. No one will constain you. no one will tell you you cannot be here. This is a free, open forum for any christian. Simply there are no rules. To enforce rules would mean to shut one down, to prevent them from speaking. Jesus did not stop anyone from speaking. Jesus did not set any rules as to how they would question Him, nor anyone else. Jesus stood His ground whether He was approached in kind or He was attacked. Simply He was not offended by any one questioning Him oer the manner in which they did it. And when He delivered His message, He delivered it in a manner He deemed appropriate for that moment.
Speak freely. Yes there will be diasagreement and each is open to express their beleifs and "support" them. In ther end all learn. if you cannot take correction by TRUTH, them and only then you may want to not be here. I for one am not offended by any one. But your choice of words are the same words that will come back to you. How you present yourself, is how I will come back to you. If you you have a problem with that, then you may want to consider if you truly want to be here. There will be times my words will be firm, if you cannot deal with that, then you need to consider if you want to be here.
I GAVE AN EXPLINATION SO DO NOT CRY ABOUT HOW I RESPOND, OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER. I HAVE "WARNED" YOU. FROM THIS POINT FORWARD IT IS YOUR DECISON AND "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR DECSIONS". IF YOU ARE HERE, YOU MADE THE CHOICE. JUST AS I HAVE. NO EXCUSES ACCEPTED.
[Edited 7/4/2008 10:20:38 AM]
| | 7/4/2008 10:19:02 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | sewright
Evansville, WI
age: 68
| Elizabeth, it will turn into a free for all with out rules. I told Dana his thread meant ownership and control, I tell you the same in love. I have given you a topic on my thread, please respond to it. I am trying to accomplish something that I feel I am led to do. I ask you in love. You know I have supported you and I will not let it get out of hand for either of you. We have tried the free for all method many times, it doesn't work. I love you sis and I do not want to see any more of our brothers and sisters leaving like Denise did. I ask again PLEASE. I have shed enough tears over this. It is a time for healing.
Love and hugs
Danielle
| | 7/4/2008 10:24:34 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| Elizabeth, it will turn into a free for all with out rules. I told Dana his thread meant ownership and control, I tell you the same in love. I have given you a topic on my thread, please respond to it. I am trying to accomplish something that I feel I am led to do. I ask you in love. You know I have supported you and I will not let it get out of hand for either of you. We have tried the free for all method many times, it doesn't work. I love you sis and I do not want to see any more of our brothers and sisters leaving like Denise did. I ask again PLEASE. I have shed enough tears over this. It is a time for healing.
Love and hugs
Danielle
I HAVE THE DEEPEST RESPECT FOR YOU SEW, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THE CONTROL METHOD WAS NOT WORKING EITHER. DANA HAS SHUT OFF MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO HIS THREAD. ONE CANNOT DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THAT TYPE OF CONTROL. UNFORTUNATLY THERE IS NOT A WAY TO HAVE A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE ONE CAN SPEAK YET IT DOES NOT GET OUT OF CONTROL. THIS TYPE OF FORUM DOES NOT ALLOW IT.
WHICH THREAD ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? I HAVE BEEN IN SOME MANY THREADS, I LOST WHY I WAS.
[Edited 7/4/2008 10:25:10 AM]
| | 7/4/2008 10:26:02 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | 
imagoodone4sure
Xenia, OH
age: 48
| Statement made by elizabeth:
THAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THERE WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THOSE IN THE OT. BUT NOW WE LIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTMENT AND JESUS SET THE FRAMEOWRK.
Elizabeth,
Please provide book, chapter and verse where you find where the people in the O.T. were filled with the Holy Spirit?
| | 7/4/2008 10:29:54 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | sewright
Evansville, WI
age: 68
| My thread is not under Dana's control nor will it be under yours. Come back to the thread I started on healing the body of Christ. It will be run impartially and all will be treated equal as long as the treat each other with respect and dignity. I will allow no stiring and people will have to stay on topic and not wander and muddy the waters. Each of you will be able to pick topics.
Hugs
Danielle
The only rules I am asking is treat people with dignity and respect, stay on topic, and no stirring.
[Edited 7/4/2008 10:32:52 AM]
| | 7/4/2008 10:48:05 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | elizabeth_fl
Tampa, FL
age: 36
| Statement made by elizabeth:
THAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THERE WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THOSE IN THE OT. BUT NOW WE LIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTMENT AND JESUS SET THE FRAMEOWRK.
Elizabeth,
Please provide book, chapter and verse where you find where the people in the O.T. were filled with the Holy Spirit?
EXOD 31, 35
DEUT 34,
1 SAM 16
NEH 9
JOB 32
PSALM 51
ISA 11, 32, 42,
EZEK 37
THESE ARE JUST A FEW PLACES WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
ALTHOUGH OT DOES NOT SAY SPECIFICALLY SAY HOLY SPIRIT, IT REFERES TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD OR SPIRIT OF GOD, WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
THE ONLY PLACE YOU WILL ACTUALLY READ HOLY SPIRIT IS ON PSALM 51, AND ISA 63.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I WILL TYPICALLY REFRAIN FROM VERSUS TO ENSURE ONE READS EVERYTHING. ONE VERSUS IS NOT STAND ALONE AND CAN BE EASLY MISLEADING.
[Edited 7/4/2008 10:51:02 AM]
| | 7/4/2008 11:06:53 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | 
lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 51
| Statement made by elizabeth:
THAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THERE WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THOSE IN THE OT. BUT NOW WE LIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTMENT AND JESUS SET THE FRAMEOWRK.
Elizabeth,
Please provide book, chapter and verse where you find where the people in the O.T. were filled with the Holy Spirit?
EXOD 31, 35
DEUT 34,
1 SAM 16
NEH 9
JOB 32
PSALM 51
ISA 11, 32, 42,
EZEK 37
THESE ARE JUST A FEW PLACES WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
ALTHOUGH OT DOES NOT SAY SPECIFICALLY SAY HOLY SPIRIT, IT REFERES TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD OR SPIRIT OF GOD, WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
THE ONLY PLACE YOU WILL ACTUALLY READ HOLY SPIRIT IS ON PSALM 51, AND ISA 63.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I WILL TYPICALLT REFRAIN FORM VERSUS TO ENSURE ONE READS EVERYTIHNG. ONE VERSUS IS NOT STAND ALONE AND CAN BE EASLY MISLEADING.
Ms.K it is funny why you will Not Clairfy Y..Above You Yourself Said Holy Spirit In those,Now You Are Saying Something different,That Is A Lie..You Are Lying,right out of Your OWN Words....spirit of the lord,Spirit of The lord,is not the SAME,Spirit of God,Is Not The same Either Missy...None in old Are The Same.All Are Of One..Except in Gen..God,Son,Holy Spirit,They Are All Of One Accord In Spirit at That Point...And When Christ came Holy Spirit Was Brought To Us Through Christ...ONLY THEN...Ms.K.but IF YOU TRY TO SAY DIFFERENT YOU ARE A LIAR,To The tenth degree...You Statment is False,And you Better Find A New Teacher to teach YOUR INTERPRETATION...Cause this is a false as it Comes...I know Christ,I Stand On his Word,I Know what He Brought For Me,and It Is Holy Spirit,as spirit Of God was In Me,But When I accepted Holy Spirit,I gave up,spirit,And ACCEPTED Spirit...OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST IN ME....That Is The Three You Try To call One..
[Edited 7/4/2008 11:07:40 AM]
| | 7/4/2008 11:31:28 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | uhadme
South El Monte, CA
age: 45
| Daniel's 10th chapter is of a vision for US, the setting is the latter days.
Many others were made to quake because of the vision.
It is a TRUE vision according to the first few verses.
"the spirit of truth", says the Lord "can only be understood by two."
Himself (the Lord) and Michael your prince.
my question..
the Lord says only He and Michael understand the spirit of truth.
Why do you pretend to know?
is your name really Michael or are you the Lord?
everyone else will be on all fours face first dumbfounded by the true spirit of truth.
because of their now corrupt worthless misplaced faith.
"all have fallen short and sinned in their translation" quote me.
edit: punctuation
[Edited 7/4/2008 11:35:58 AM]
| | 7/4/2008 11:34:39 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | 
dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51
| Statement made by elizabeth:
THAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THERE WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THOSE IN THE OT. BUT NOW WE LIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTMENT AND JESUS SET THE FRAMEOWRK.
Elizabeth,
Please provide book, chapter and verse where you find where the people in the O.T. were filled with the Holy Spirit?
Actually the words holy and Spirit are found only once together in the old Testament and it is in Isaiah 63:10. This passage is talking about th LORD and the reference also says the Savoir, and it is His holy Spirit it is talking about. Notice the word Savoir is capitalized and holy is not, that is how I found it.
In Exodus it is written " and I have filled him with the spirit of God... notice the small "s" ( it is the LORD speaking) There are subtile differences in scripture that change meanings like, lord, Lord, and LORD
in the old testament the word for spirit is ruach, meaning spirit or wind... added strength from God I am sure but not the Holy Ghost.
in the New Testatment the word is different it is pneuma and its meaning is Spirit, when used with Holy, which means to separate or set apart it would show me that this Spirit is set apart from that of the old testament, as Jesus said he needed to leave and then He would send it.
What is truly interesting is that ( only speaking for the KJ bible I have) that when referring to the Spirit, He the Spirit is always referred to as the Holy Ghost. It is the same word pnuema.
So there seems to be a difference in the spirits of the bible of old and new testaments. Look at John 7:39 and it tells us the Holy Ghost had not been sent. Did God give a boost in spirit ot some in the old testament, I would think so, like Moses got a boost. Was the door open to all in the old testament, not at all. Adam had it I think but I think he lost it for all until Jesus came and died and sent it.
| | 7/4/2008 11:45:55 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | |
imagoodone4sure
Xenia, OH
age: 48
| There was NO Holy Spirit in the O.T. that dwelled in anyones body. God himself spoke directly to or through angels. People from the O.T. lived under the Law (the 10 Commandments)as it was written by God, carried down from the mountain by Moses. Only after Jesus N. T. did the Holy Spirit come and dwell in anyone.
| | 7/4/2008 11:49:16 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | |
dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51
| ima,
ima on your side, I just posted info I have at hand on the different words and how they were used, as my reference to John will tell you, I agree, no Holy Ghost till after Jesus was glorified by His ascention.
| | 7/4/2008 11:51:51 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | |
lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 51
| U,,,You Could be, right, You could Be wrong,And One Thing I know to be true,Is No One Is Lord,no One is God...We All fall Short of perfection...I am so different,I know this,I know its Hard to explain Sometimes My self,,,Yet I try...And Yes This is MY BELIEF,I know I stand However For The Three...I Love and respect All Three In One,I respect and love all three as One.And I Love and Respect All three FOR ONE...Me..I Love and Respect with All MY HEART Their Presence..In others..I wish that all would hear THEIR WORDS..I am Not A respecter Of Persons Only but Their Spirit in Them..And If I am WRONG,Then God will tell Me...through Spirit..that Which I believe..
What I believe in Flesh(MIND)self, Is Not the always Same Of What I believe In Spirit(heart).In Self...I know this and always try To do what Self says,not self..But I am human and Spirit,so Hence there sometimes battle...The Two Edged Sword...We Must completly over Come self,in Order To trully Know Self...
| | 7/4/2008 11:53:06 AM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | 
stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51
|  Sister Elizabeth
For all those who openly want to discuss Gods Word, scripture, and to learn and gain understanding, this thread is for you. You will not be blocked, you will not be gagged, you are free to voice your views as you see fit. No one will stop you. No one will constain you. no one will tell you you cannot be here. This is a free, open forum for any christian. Simply there are no rules. To enforce rules would mean to shut one down, to prevent them from speaking. Jesus did not stop anyone from speaking. Jesus did not set any rules as to how they would question Him, nor anyone else. Jesus stood His ground whether He was approached in kind or He was attacked. Simply He was not offended by any one questioning Him oer the manner in which they did it. And when He delivered His message, He delivered it in a manner He deemed appropriate for that moment.
Speak freely. Yes there will be diasagreement and each is open to express their beleifs and "support" them. In ther end all learn. if you cannot take correction by TRUTH, them and only then you may want to not be here. I for one am not offended by any one. But your choice of words are the same words that will come back to you. How you present yourself, is how I will come back to you. If you you have a problem with that, then you may want to consider if you truly want to be here. There will be times my words will be firm, if you cannot deal with that, then you need to consider if you want to be here.
I GAVE AN EXPLINATION SO DO NOT CRY ABOUT HOW I RESPOND, OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER. I HAVE "WARNED" YOU. FROM THIS POINT FORWARD IT IS YOUR DECISON AND "YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR DECSIONS". IF YOU ARE HERE, YOU MADE THE CHOICE. JUST AS I HAVE. NO EXCUSES ACCEPTED.
1A. Not By Rules. Oh really now? Below is your 1st rule. Contradiction or what?
1. I am not a Christian; so, by your rules I do not belong here posting.
2. Your comparison of Jesus not being offended and your not being offended is inaccurate,
which you have predominately displayed in many of your previous posting by Slanderous Name Calling...
Which is why you perceive yourself as Jesus and justify your self expressing mean streak towards others as righteous. Responses like these prove the natures of being offended.
In Peace and Love
| | 7/4/2008 12:02:51 PM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | |
lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 51
| Statement made by elizabeth:
THAT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THERE WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THOSE IN THE OT. BUT NOW WE LIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTMENT AND JESUS SET THE FRAMEOWRK.
Elizabeth,
Please provide book, chapter and verse where you find where the people in the O.T. were filled with the Holy Spirit?
Actually the words holy and Spirit are found only once together in the old Testament and it is in Isaiah 63:10. This passage is talking about th LORD and the reference also says the Savoir, and it is His holy Spirit it is talking about. Notice the word Savoir is capitalized and holy is not, that is how I found it.
In Exodus it is written " and I have filled him with the spirit of God... notice the small "s" ( it is the LORD speaking) There are subtile differences in scripture that change meanings like, lord, Lord, and LORD
in the old testament the word for spirit is ruach, meaning spirit or wind... added strength from God I am sure but not the Holy Ghost.
in the New Testatment the word is different it is pneuma and its meaning is Spirit, when used with Holy, which means to separate or set apart it would show me that this Spirit is set apart from that of the old testament, as Jesus said he needed to leave and then He would send it.
What is truly interesting is that ( only speaking for the KJ bible I have) that when referring to the Spirit, He the Spirit is always referred to as the Holy Ghost. It is the same word pnuema.
So there seems to be a difference in the spirits of the bible of old and new testaments. Look at John 7:39 and it tells us the Holy Ghost had not been sent. Did God give a boost in spirit ot some in the old testament, I would think so, like Moses got a boost. Was the door open to all in the old testament, not at all. Adam had it I think but I think he lost it for all until Jesus came and died and sent it.
| | 7/4/2008 1:09:37 PM | Lets "Freely" Discuss Scripture And Gods Message - Not By Rules | | uhadme
South El Monte, CA
age: 45
| edit: was a duplicate see next post
[Edited 7/4/2008 1:13:36 PM]
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