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| 7/21/2008 5:14:29 AM | The problem I have with your god | | 
classicsfan
Charlottetown, PE
age: 51
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IS THAT SO? 
Na Na Na I'm right and you're wrong. Na Na Na 
| | 7/21/2008 4:09:44 PM | The problem I have with your god | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
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IS THAT SO?
Na Na Na I'm right and you're wrong. Na Na Na
I don't think so, I think it is a chicken or the egg question and neither of us is right or wrong, because there is NO way to prove right or wrong.
but if it makes you feel better, OK you are right and I am wrong. I have no attachment to my opinion, the truth is whatever is true.
| | 7/21/2008 4:11:02 PM | The problem I have with your god | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| If nothing existed before the big bang what banged? and what laws did they bang under?
and what created those laws?
see my point?
| | 7/21/2008 4:29:29 PM | The problem I have with your god | |
classicsfan
Charlottetown, PE
age: 51
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IS THAT SO?
Na Na Na I'm right and you're wrong. Na Na Na I don't think so, I think it is a chicken or the egg question and neither of us is right or wrong, because there is NO way to prove right or wrong.
but if it makes you feel better, OK you are right and I am wrong. I have no attachment to my opinion, the truth is whatever is true.
I base my opinion on the randomness in evolution on my readings of Richard Dawkins, Stephen J Gould and others. I merely synthesize and regurgitate.
[Edited 7/21/2008 4:29:51 PM]
| | 7/21/2008 4:31:28 PM | The problem I have with your god | |
classicsfan
Charlottetown, PE
age: 51
| If nothing existed before the big bang what banged? and what laws did they bang under?
and what created those laws?
see my point?
If those laws were created by a creator, who, or what, created that creator?
| | 7/21/2008 5:03:03 PM | The problem I have with your god | | uhadme
South El Monte, CA
age: 45
| neuclic acid is the key to all life as we know it.
there are 4 kinds T A, C G.
it cannot be reproduced using science (not public knowledge anyway).
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together before We split them asunder ? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
Surah Al Anbiyaa verse- 30
It is commonly known among serious scientists and particularly among astronomists that there was a Big Bang at the beginning of the universe.
One evidence for it is the fact that the universe is expanding with a steady (or decreasing, or increasing) rate.
This has been supported by the data collected by the Hubble Telescope. Edwin Hubble was the very founder of the theory of the expansion of the universe (see "The Birth of Time" by John Gribbin, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London 1999).
Before this Big Bang, all agree, matter must have been concentrated in a hugely dense and solid mass, the size of which nobody knows. Scientists conjecture by estimating density and size of the known universe. They interpret the difference between electromagnetic waves, like the colour of light, that can be measured in distant galaxies. This is the redshift. There must have been a big explosion in the beginning,"
it too is a theory.
mapped out much like evolution and DNA.
the first matter created.
in the first 5 minutes after the big bang.
the lump divided into neutrons and protons.
some re-collided forming the simplest element Hydrogen.
further collisions made Helium.. etc. etc.
carbon which is the base used for human life is a very young product in the universe.
carbon is about twice as old as earth.
the odds of random collisions forming a reproductive DNA chain is beyond calculation
IMO
yet I have posted the method to calculate the needed collisions to form the first DNA chain.
and cannot believe anyone would choose to believe that is what happened.
a double helix DNA just managed to form in a stable way from random collisions of elements.
R neuclic acid will tell
| | 7/22/2008 2:43:51 PM | The problem I have with your god | | 1haoleboy
Hilo, HI
age: 48
| I commend your knowledge of the scriptures, that tells me you are not a mocker, but have sought THE LORD on your own, been rejected by "believers", not welcome in church, etc. At least, that's the way it worked for me.
Yes The Bible, and GOD, say those things. But remember, There is none righteous, no not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom.3:10-12
The Bible exhorts us to be righteous, it tells us what would happen if we were. It does not say we are. The Bible testifies against man. Our iniquities testify against us, it say's we are blind. 2Ki.6:17, Nu.22:31,Heb.12:1,22, Rev.3:17&18.
Jesus said, Which of you by taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? And if ye be unable to do that which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? Lk.12:25-26
It is supposed to be easier to raise our height(18")a cubit, than to plan tomrrows meal!
The Bible tells us we are in a fallen state, from Gen.3 to Revelation 3,and we get redeemed from it, by his grace.
It seems that I find the gist of my point in Romans 8:31-39. Why should we suffer less for our sins than Jesus, who was without sin?
| | 7/22/2008 3:20:13 PM | The problem I have with your god | | uhadme
South El Monte, CA
age: 45
| Jesus knew no sin... and was made to be all sin.
Jesus "if I had not spoken to them they had not had sin" John 15:22
" by one man all sin came into the world"
and by one man all sin shall be taken from the world.
fitting that the one who brought it should be the one to bare it and haul it forever.
"made Him who knew no sin, to be all sin for us".
why for us?
if I my life sucks by extention so does everyone else's... oneness theory
| | 7/22/2008 3:49:53 PM | The problem I have with your god | | 
wolfy9459
Dayton, OH
age: 46
| Kenny I hope this helps…. Your questions are in bold..
Do you not judge a employer by the actions of their employees?
If the employer tells the employee to do x and the employee fails; then no you do not because the employer told the employee the correct thing to do and it was the employee that failed. That may reflect badly on the employer, but the employer can’t really be held responsible.
regardless a employer is judged by the actions of their employees.
So your god inflicts people with blindness so he can prove himself? How loving of him.
Buy you perceive blindness in your way. The blind people that I know are much stronger than I.
You presume that God doesn’t have greatness for the Blind. Are you perfect? I know I am not; and I know that in my weakness God proves Himself strong.
I know a few blind people. Yes they are strong people. But what does that have to do with the fact that? Your god made them blind so he could prove himself. No I am not perfect never claimed to be.
You are defining love on your terms. I would challenge you to look at love from His definition. You might see a deeper form of love.
hey I was a preacher for a long time and am still ordained. so I know the "love" you talk about. I cor: 13 cames to mind.
The other thing is that you assume that God inflicts people with blindness. Perhaps it is the prince of this world that does it.
The "prince of this world" as you call it. Has to have your gods permission to do anything to any body. Does not the bible say that satin would ask god if he could temp Lot, king David, etc? besides the scripture you gave clearly said god did it.
How can one man make another sick with depression? That was a ludicrous statement.
No, my wife walked out on me and my four children. That was rather depression, so I would suggest that man can cause depression in other man.
clinical depression is genetic and can NOT be caused by any other person. the actions of other people can trigger it. But can not cause it.
I was thinking about this while waiting for your response and realized that guilt can also cause depression.
because god made satan
because god made satan????? OH I get it you think guilt is cause by satan?
that is like holding you responsible for all of your children’s actions. That isn’t really right.
well guess what the way your kids act is a direct reflection of you.
by his own choice gd would have allowed him to NOT do as he did.
his choice? Did he ask god to make him? Did god tell him he could do as he wished, but that if he did not do as god wanted he would die?
So you would understand God better if He would have used His power to enter a life of wealth? Or perhaps God wanted to show us that money wasn’t the God we should serve.
Has nothing to do with money
So Luk 4:18 proves my claim that you god does not heal people even though he says he will
Why? This passage in context clearly speaks of Christ healing people while on Earth.
hmmm it does say that he will NEVER allow. And this gos back to the healing thing as you pointed out in Luk he will heal the broken hearted etc etc
but this passage isn’t talking about healing but that He will never allow the righteous to waiver.
As I said actually Jesus promises us trials and tribulations for the Christian!!!
Again if you believe in god you will have peace.
Do you not understand that peace is a spiritual peace. This is the problem with many non believers is that you don’t look at scripture that was meant to be spiritual, but as carnal.
How can you have peace and trials and tribulations? Concerting that peace is spiritual and so is the trials and tribulations. You can't have both. OH thats right your god continually tests you. Damn why can't he just TRUST you half as much as he wants you to trust HIM. Again a very loving god you got there.
So what good is peace in the next life? We will not need it then.
Because in the after life, according to Jesus, if you don’t believe in Him you will NEVER have peace, but rather torment.
yeah more if you don't live MY WAY I WILL KILL YOU.
What your not going to tell me I misquote this one? No it is word for word what your bible says. Yet it is not what happens is it?
No, I wasn’t referring to misquote, I was referring to that fact that Jesus tells the Christian that he/she will suffer for His name’s sake. You have to balance this with that truth.
No it is not ok you know children are innocent and are not starving because of their own choices.
Your right, but they are because of the choices of man, not God. We have the ability to feed all the children, but I would suggest that man’s greed is the issue and not God.
again he said to let the little children come to him.
*Mt. 6:25-34 is the promise of god to take care of his own. Yet he dose not.
it says that god takes care of the fowls of the air. That you are much better than them. that god cares for them so he will for you too. Now this does not mean you will go to your mail box every day and get money. It just means god will make a way for you to earn a living.
Kenny reread this because God doesn’t NOT promise He will make a way for you to earn a living. It says that He knows what you need!!! The Bible is clear that each man is to work to earn his living that is a part of the curse!
your double negative says it all.
a loaf is a physical need[/b[ Mat 7:10 Or if he asks a fish, will he give him a snake? again a physical need Mat 7:11 If you then, being evil,
know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father in Heaven give
good things to those who ask Him? again all you got o do is ASK. Its right there you even wrote it yourself.
Kenny, you are taking a passage that is talking about spiritual gifts. It is using a physical need to relate the point!!! Re read it again in context. Start at the beginning of the chapter and read to the end.
no clearly says that the birds sow not and rep not, yet they are taken care of. And god loves you more than the birds.
completely disagree spiritual hunger and thirst is easy to fill, it is the physical that is burdensome.
Pro 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end of it is the ways of death.
I just would encourage you to quite blaming God for everything. I know it is easy to do that, but it isn’t really grounded in fact. I know that your thinking, well if I were God….
can't blame something that is not real.
That, however, is what idol worship is we all, including myself, have thought at one time I could do a better job.
first step to doing a better job. Get off HIGH HORSE.
| | 7/22/2008 4:19:10 PM | The problem I have with your god | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| If nothing existed before the big bang what banged? and what laws did they bang under?
and what created those laws?
see my point?
If those laws were created by a creator, who, or what, created that creator?
how could they NOT be created by a creator?
and exactly, SO are you implying because ther is a question regarding the creation of a creator that it is proof there is NO creator?
because that could be applied to humans as well you know?
so if we were NOT created are we here?
of course we are, and because we are here, something made that possible.
and as for randomness, randomness is only randomness outside of order.
it does NOT and never has "existed" alone, because alone, it would not be random. it would Just BE.
hence the gods of creation and chaos? excpet chaos by definition has no order, and therefore, like adam said of the " humans" in the Upanishads, they couldn't hurt him.
| | 7/22/2008 4:23:00 PM | The problem I have with your god | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Jesus knew no sin... and was made to be all sin.
Jesus "if I had not spoken to them they had not had sin" John 15:22
" by one man all sin came into the world"
and by one man all sin shall be taken from the world.
fitting that the one who brought it should be the one to bare it and haul it forever.
"made Him who knew no sin, to be all sin for us".
why for us?
if I my life sucks by extention so does everyone else's... oneness theory
But jesus did know sin, that is not true, in fact Jesus fought with the devil and prayed in fear, so we do know that he knew sin, because he was Human in form, but Jesus never CHOSE sin, or committed a sin of his will.
I know about being a porn star, but that doesn't make me one.
and what Jesus did, was WAY WAY harder, because he came here in a time of suffering a spiritually aware being oppressed in a human form, by a government and church, to correct a wrong.
he is a boddhisatva by definition
| | 7/23/2008 4:10:36 AM | The problem I have with your god | | 
jazminx
Mount Airy, GA
age: 41
| Anybody want a chocolate bar?
jaz freaked out and lost it in another thread and called me a POT head,lol, she said I am stupid,lmao.
give me some of that candy bar, I have the munchies,lmao
I may be a pot head, but I am smarter than her, so what does that make her???? 
| | 7/23/2008 6:13:26 AM | The problem I have with your god | |
classicsfan
Charlottetown, PE
age: 51
| If nothing existed before the big bang what banged? and what laws did they bang under?
and what created those laws?
see my point?
If those laws were created by a creator, who, or what, created that creator? how could they NOT be created by a creator?
and exactly, SO are you implying because ther is a question regarding the creation of a creator that it is proof there is NO creator?
because that could be applied to humans as well you know?
so if we were NOT created are we here?
of course we are, and because we are here, something made that possible.
I am pointing out one of the flaws in the argument of a creator. If the existence of something implies a creator, then the existence of a creator implies something created that creator, which implies that something created that creator etc......
and as for randomness, randomness is only randomness outside of order.
it does NOT and never has "existed" alone, because alone, it would not be random. it would Just BE.
Now you are talking about the metaphysical properties of the concept 'randomness". I am talking about randomness as a process. There is a difference.
hence the gods of creation and chaos? excpet chaos by definition has no order, and therefore, like adam said of the " humans" in the Upanishads, they couldn't hurt him.
Chaos and randomness are not the same. Chaos is a state, randomness is a process.
| | 7/23/2008 6:19:20 AM | The problem I have with your god | |
jazminx
Mount Airy, GA
age: 41
| good luck classics its like arguing with a rock.
| | 7/23/2008 8:11:34 AM | The problem I have with your god | | uhadme
South El Monte, CA
age: 45
| proof we exist?
and a rock.
I have seen the mistake contained in " I think therefore I am. " since I was a child.
from a rocks perspective that equation fails.
a rock can't think therefore doesn't exist??
I bet if I bean you in the head with a rock you would claim otherwise.
proving the here and now is as difficult as proving an invisible god exists.
the starting point is consciousness..
the fact for something to exist another consciousness must be aware of it
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