| 7/15/2008 1:54:49 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | | 
dbsuma
Lakewood, OH
age: 40
| So according to you Christians, Jesus died on the cross the rose from the dead.
If you believe this then you can go to heaven.
But after Jesus rose from the dead, he went to hell to get the souls of all the Saints to take them up to heaven.
But how did they know who Jesus was?
Jesus was born after they were already dead, so couldn't have believed in him, so this contradicts your rules of getting into heaven.
Please explain this obvious contradiction and they were psychic saint or some other silly thing doesn't count. The obviously didn't know of Jesus prior to his existence or they would have said so, so therefor not Christians, so therefor no reason to kidnap them from hell and drag them off to Christian heaven.
And a further question would be, was it a Christian heaven?
Was Jesus a Christian?
I wouldn't think so.
As far as I know his teachings had no defined name and he must have claimed to be functioning in the Jewish religion. After his death there was a small cult formed, called "the cult of the way", not named Christianity or catholicism.
In fact Jesus said himself that he had only come for the Jews, it wasn't till after his death that they started to let others in this unauthorized cult.
| | 7/15/2008 5:55:58 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | | 
stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51 online now!
|  Brother Dsuma
I do recall that Jesus reached out to the Gentile as the Jews were too self-righteous.
Included in the Gentile were the Oppressed, Discriminated, the Orphans, Widowers, Women and most importantly were the Sinners.
Peace and Love
[Edited 7/15/2008 5:56:17 PM]
| | 7/15/2008 6:22:01 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | | 
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
| So according to you Christians, Jesus died on the cross the rose from the dead.
If you believe this then you can go to heaven.
But after Jesus rose from the dead, he went to hell to get the souls of all the Saints to take them up to heaven.
But how did they know who Jesus was?
Jesus was born after they were already dead, so couldn't have believed in him, so this contradicts your rules of getting into heaven.
Please explain this obvious contradiction and they were psychic saint or some other silly thing doesn't count. The obviously didn't know of Jesus prior to his existence or they would have said so, so therefor not Christians, so therefor no reason to kidnap them from hell and drag them off to Christian heaven.
And a further question would be, was it a Christian heaven?
Was Jesus a Christian?
I wouldn't think so.
As far as I know his teachings had no defined name and he must have claimed to be functioning in the Jewish religion. After his death there was a small cult formed, called "the cult of the way", not named Christianity or catholicism.
In fact Jesus said himself that he had only come for the Jews, it wasn't till after his death that they started to let others in this unauthorized cult.
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
P.S. I would like to state that there is a cult in existence today called the Way International. They are a cult and not Christian. STAY AWAY!!!
[Edited 7/15/2008 6:30:44 PM]
| | 7/15/2008 6:30:53 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51 online now!
| Brother Dufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35 online now!
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
You speak of this in the literal sense of the statement which truly has no plausible application of the depth of the substance in question
Your indirect slandering of Brother Dsuma is unwarranted also; very un-Loving
(Just my take of it)
Peace and Love
| | 7/15/2008 6:38:14 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
| Brother Dufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35 online now!
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
You speak of this in the literal sense of the statement which truly has no plausible application of the depth of the substance in question
Your indirect slandering of Brother Dsuma is unwarranted also; very un-Loving
(Just my take of it)
Peace and Love
Uhhh....
dude check the definition of slander. I didn't attack him, I just said that the statment he made that Jesus didn't come into the world for gentiles is the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard. Until I read that statement, something I said was the most ridiculas statement that I have ever heard!! and I am sure I will hear another soon, heck I might be the one that says it.
Not sure I understand your literal sense statement. He asked a question and I have a direct answer. One of the things I hear from those to mock Christianity is that Christians can't give direct answers to serious questions. I was just affirming the fact that I can. I don't have the answers to all things and I tend not to answer unless an opinion is requsted.
| | 7/15/2008 11:28:43 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
dbsuma
Lakewood, OH
age: 40
| Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
Matthew 15:24
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.
I suppose I could look up more bible quotes if I had to but this is really the case.
Jesus only intended his ministry for the Jews, it wasn't until after his death, some guy joined the group of disciples and opened up membership to none Jews.
Conversion of Paul
road to Damascus
"Apostle to the Gentiles"
there is no indication that Paul ever met Jesus before the crucifixion. According to Acts, his conversion took place as he was traveling the road to Damascus, and experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. Paul(Saul) asserts that he received the Gospel not from man, but by "the revelation of Jesus Christ".
According to Acts, Paul was born in Tarsus, Cilicia in Asia Minor, or modern-day Turkey, under the name Saul, "an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin".
Acts records that Paul was a Roman citizen — a privilege he used a number of times in his defence, appealing against convictions in Judea to Rome.
He was, as he described himself, a persistent persecutor of the early Christian Church (1 Corinthians 15:9, Galatians 1:13) (almost all of whose members were Jewish), until his experience on the Road to Damascus which resulted in his conversion.
Paul himself is very disinclined to talk about the precise character of his conversion (Galatians 1:11–24) though he uses it as authority for his independence from the apostles. In Acts there are three accounts of his conversion experience:
He describes in Galatians, how three years after his conversion, he went to Jerusalem, where he met James, and stayed with Simon Peter for 15 days (Galatians 1:13–24). According to Acts, he apparently attempted to join the disciples and was accepted only owing to the intercession of Barnabas, as they were all understandably afraid of him as one who had been a persecutor of the Church (Acts 9:26–27).
Paul's narrative in Galatians states that 14 years after his conversion he went again to Jerusalem. It is not known exactly what happened during these so-called "unknown years," but at the end of this time, Barnabas went to find Paul and brought him back to Antioch.
It was at this time in Antioch, Acts reports, the followers of Jesus were first called "Christians".
Paul’s first missionary journey begins in Acts 13 in Antioch in approximately AD 47. During this period the Christian church here grew in prominence partially owing to Jewish Christians fleeing famine in Jerusalem.
Barnabas and Saul then spread the Gospel into the predominantly Gentile areas.
Barnabas and Saul’s initial destination is the island of Cyprus, Preaching throughout the island. Once having left Cyprus, Saul exchanges his Hebrew name for the more appropriate Greco-Roman name of Paul for ministering to the Gentiles.
The two then set about preaching to major cities as they make their way across the provinces of Asia Minor. After successfully speaking to the people in an area, the local Jews became hostile, which eventually forces them to move on.
Blah, blah, blah, blah,
So I am right, you are wrong, so there!!!!
[Edited 7/15/2008 11:29:27 PM]
| | 7/15/2008 11:38:25 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | | 
ak2292
Westland, MI
age: 21
| The traditional answer is that angels were created by God, then satan and his followers had a bit of a falling out...but wouldn't that be kind of boring to just have existed without being on Earth? What would you do up there all that time? But I do think it would be pretty kickass to have a katana up there dueling it out ninja style...
As for the other ones before Jesus came, not sure...
[Edited 7/15/2008 11:40:39 PM]
| | 7/16/2008 6:28:24 AM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
| Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
Matthew 15:24
King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Bible in Basic English
But he made answer and said, I was sent only to the wandering sheep of the house of Israel.
I suppose I could look up more bible quotes if I had to but this is really the case.
Jesus only intended his ministry for the Jews, it wasn't until after his death, some guy joined the group of disciples and opened up membership to none Jews.
Conversion of Paul
road to Damascus
"Apostle to the Gentiles"
there is no indication that Paul ever met Jesus before the crucifixion. According to Acts, his conversion took place as he was traveling the road to Damascus, and experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. Paul(Saul) asserts that he received the Gospel not from man, but by "the revelation of Jesus Christ".
According to Acts, Paul was born in Tarsus, Cilicia in Asia Minor, or modern-day Turkey, under the name Saul, "an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin".
Acts records that Paul was a Roman citizen — a privilege he used a number of times in his defence, appealing against convictions in Judea to Rome.
He was, as he described himself, a persistent persecutor of the early Christian Church (1 Corinthians 15:9, Galatians 1:13) (almost all of whose members were Jewish), until his experience on the Road to Damascus which resulted in his conversion.
Paul himself is very disinclined to talk about the precise character of his conversion (Galatians 1:11–24) though he uses it as authority for his independence from the apostles. In Acts there are three accounts of his conversion experience:
He describes in Galatians, how three years after his conversion, he went to Jerusalem, where he met James, and stayed with Simon Peter for 15 days (Galatians 1:13–24). According to Acts, he apparently attempted to join the disciples and was accepted only owing to the intercession of Barnabas, as they were all understandably afraid of him as one who had been a persecutor of the Church (Acts 9:26–27).
Paul's narrative in Galatians states that 14 years after his conversion he went again to Jerusalem. It is not known exactly what happened during these so-called "unknown years," but at the end of this time, Barnabas went to find Paul and brought him back to Antioch.
It was at this time in Antioch, Acts reports, the followers of Jesus were first called "Christians".
Paul’s first missionary journey begins in Acts 13 in Antioch in approximately AD 47. During this period the Christian church here grew in prominence partially owing to Jewish Christians fleeing famine in Jerusalem.
Barnabas and Saul then spread the Gospel into the predominantly Gentile areas.
Barnabas and Saul’s initial destination is the island of Cyprus, Preaching throughout the island. Once having left Cyprus, Saul exchanges his Hebrew name for the more appropriate Greco-Roman name of Paul for ministering to the Gentiles.
The two then set about preaching to major cities as they make their way across the provinces of Asia Minor. After successfully speaking to the people in an area, the local Jews became hostile, which eventually forces them to move on.
Blah, blah, blah, blah,
So I am right, you are wrong, so there!!!!
Uh....
First, the passage in Mat states that He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and doesn't state His message of salvation was excluse for the Jews.
Joh 6:51 I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he shall live forever. And truly the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Notice the "anyone eats of this Bread, he shall live forever" anyone is all exclusive.
The Old Testament is loaded with passeges the speak of a universal message of salvation. Israel as a nation was to be a light to a lost world. See Deut.
Mat 8:5 And when Jesus had entered into Capernaum, a centurion came to him, beseeching Him,and saying, Lord, my son lies at home paralyzed and grievously tormented. And Jesus says to him, I will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof; but only speak the word, and my boy will be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, Go! And he goes; and to another, Come! And he comes; and to my servant, Do this! And he does it. When Jesus heard, He marvelled and said to those who followed, Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say to you that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven. But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mat 8:13 And Jesus said to the centurion, Go. And as you have believed, so let it be to you. And his boy was healed in that hour.
Now dude, this passage is important because a Roman centurion was a GENTILE!! and notice that Jesus says that many will come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven, but the sons of the kingdom (Jews) shall be cast out into outer darkness.
This is pretty plain! and there are many many more texts
Most of what you say about Paul is accurate and I assume you are saying that this is the first time that gentiles were "Christian" under Paul, but this is inaccurate. Have you ever read Acts 2. This is the first place I know of a recorded time a gentile was saved.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the Eleven, lifted up his voice and said to them, Men, Jews, and all who dwell at Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen to my words.....Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call. Act 2:40 And with many other words he earnestly testified and exhorted, saying, Be saved from this perverse generation.
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized. And the same day there were added about three thousand souls.
Notice the promise is to Israel, their sons, and all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call! this is plain!!!!!!
Also read Acts Chapter 10 where Peter, not Paul, went to Cornelius' house (he to was a gentile) and he and his house recieved the Holy Spirit. They were SAVED!!!! and Paul wasn't involved in that. This is another example of a gentil being savid in the early foundations of the church.
1st recorded gentile being saved some 50 days after the death of Christ.
2nd Jesus also said that you will make disciples first in Judea, then Samaria, and the utter most part of the world!!
So.... your kindof wrong, not right my friend.
| | 7/16/2008 10:31:11 AM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | | 
llfuzzball
Denver, CO
age: 43
| So according to you Christians, Jesus died on the cross the rose from the dead.
If you believe this then you can go to heaven.
But after Jesus rose from the dead, he went to hell to get the souls of all the Saints to take them up to heaven.
But how did they know who Jesus was?
Jesus was born after they were already dead, so couldn't have believed in him, so this contradicts your rules of getting into heaven.
Please explain this obvious contradiction and they were psychic saint or some other silly thing doesn't count. The obviously didn't know of Jesus prior to his existence or they would have said so, so therefor not Christians, so therefor no reason to kidnap them from hell and drag them off to Christian heaven.
And a further question would be, was it a Christian heaven?
Was Jesus a Christian?
I wouldn't think so.
As far as I know his teachings had no defined name and he must have claimed to be functioning in the Jewish religion. After his death there was a small cult formed, called "the cult of the way", not named Christianity or catholicism.
In fact Jesus said himself that he had only come for the Jews, it wasn't till after his death that they started to let others in this unauthorized cult. ever w
Jesus never went to hell. He finished His work on the cross.
| | 7/16/2008 11:41:47 AM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | | jrbogie
Red Bluff, CA
age: 59
| Brother Dufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35 online now!
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
You speak of this in the literal sense of the statement which truly has no plausible application of the depth of the substance in question
Your indirect slandering of Brother Dsuma is unwarranted also; very un-Loving
(Just my take of it)
Peace and Love Uhhh....
dude check the definition of slander. I didn't attack him, I just said that the statment he made that Jesus didn't come into the world for gentiles is the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard. Until I read that statement, something I said was the most ridiculas statement that I have ever heard!! and I am sure I will hear another soon, heck I might be the one that says it.
Not sure I understand your literal sense statement. He asked a question and I have a direct answer. One of the things I hear from those to mock Christianity is that Christians can't give direct answers to serious questions. I was just affirming the fact that I can. I don't have the answers to all things and I tend not to answer unless an opinion is requsted.
you did give a direct answer, good job. but those of us who mock christianity and all belief in supernatural phenomenon are much less concened about the directness of your answeres as we are about the absurdness. a direct, rediculous answer is still a rediculous answer.
| | 7/16/2008 3:38:39 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51 online now!
| BrotherDufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
Quote from stringsvrs:
Brother Dufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35 online now!
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
You speak of this in the literal sense of the statement which truly has no plausible application of the depth of the substance in question
Your indirect slandering of Brother Dsuma is unwarranted also; very un-Loving
(Just my take of it)
Peace and Love
Uhhh....
dude check the definition of slander. I didn't attack him, I just said that the statment he made that Jesus didn't come into the world for gentiles is the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard. Until I read that statement, something I said was the most ridiculas statement that I have ever heard!! and I am sure I will hear another soon, heck I might be the one that says it.
Not sure I understand your literal sense statement. He asked a question and I have a direct answer. One of the things I hear from those to mock Christianity is that Christians can't give direct answers to serious questions. I was just affirming the fact that I can. I don't have the answers to all things and I tend not to answer unless an opinion is requsted.
I will do your homework for you too my brother and utilize the dictionary on the term of Slander; since your comprehension is lacking in this area as well
Pay close attention now please :
Definition #1 of Slander is: to utter slander against : defame
So now we go to Defame, 1st definition :defame
disgrace
Now we look up disgrace and we have the true definition of my intent of the word slander
1st definition of Disgrace :
: to humiliate by a superior showing
So I now rest my case, as all that I have emboldened is just what you had displayed.
A simple explanation of your view would have been sufficient enough without the indirect slandering of brother DBSuma.
In Peace and Love
| | 7/16/2008 4:28:19 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
| BrotherDufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
Quote from stringsvrs:
Brother Dufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35 online now!
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
You speak of this in the literal sense of the statement which truly has no plausible application of the depth of the substance in question
Your indirect slandering of Brother Dsuma is unwarranted also; very un-Loving
(Just my take of it)
Peace and Love
Uhhh....
dude check the definition of slander. I didn't attack him, I just said that the statment he made that Jesus didn't come into the world for gentiles is the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard. Until I read that statement, something I said was the most ridiculas statement that I have ever heard!! and I am sure I will hear another soon, heck I might be the one that says it.
Not sure I understand your literal sense statement. He asked a question and I have a direct answer. One of the things I hear from those to mock Christianity is that Christians can't give direct answers to serious questions. I was just affirming the fact that I can. I don't have the answers to all things and I tend not to answer unless an opinion is requsted.
I will do your homework for you too my brother and utilize the dictionary on the term of Slander; since your comprehension is lacking in this area as well
Pay close attention now please :
Definition #1 of Slander is: to utter slander against : defame
So now we go to Defame, 1st definition :defame
disgrace
Now we look up disgrace and we have the true definition of my intent of the word slander
1st definition of Disgrace :
: to humiliate by a superior showing
So I now rest my case, as all that I have emboldened is just what you had displayed.
A simple explanation of your view would have been sufficient enough without the indirect slandering of brother DBSuma.
In Peace and Love
My friend,
Pointing out a ridiculous statement is not slander in the least. The evidence of the ridiculous statement is stated.
source is webster's online dictionary (what was your source dude?)Slander by definition involves the effort to falsly attack someone's good name!
An example would be if I started rumors about him in an attempt to hurt his name or character.
slander is:
1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
defamation is
the act of defaming; false or unjustified injury of the good reputation of another, as by slander or libel; calumny: She sued the magazine for defamation of character.
calumny is
1. a false and malicious statement designed to injure the reputation of someone or something: The speech was considered a calumny of the administration.
2. the act of uttering calumnies; slander; defamation
Calling his statement ridiculous is NOT a false statement especially in light of my second post refutting what he said.
You definition of disgrace falls apart by stating that I have a superioring showing to him. This falls apart because I am not supierior to him, I would suggest that I am less than him. I am only recalling Biblical facts that he misrepresented and that was the ridiculous part of it!
Even if we maintain that I am his superior, which I don't, I didn't humiliate him. He did that himself with stating something that doesn't exist. This makes him either unknowing on the subject (this I don't believe, cause he seems way smarter then me) or he is trying to cause people to doubt their faith.
Now, he has a right to say what he wants. I have a right to say that is ridiculus if he can't back it up or I can refute him.
As a Christian nothing I said was hurtful or hateful.
English lesson done.
[Edited 7/16/2008 4:46:43 PM]
| | 7/16/2008 4:33:58 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
| Brother Dufrene
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35 online now!
Interesting question and I will answer this.
First, Jesus was the along awaited Messiah. Now, for Him to be the along awaited Messiah then those that had died before Him were looking forward to the His coming.
Second, The Bible teaches that in Gehena there were two compartments. The first was Gehena or hell if you will and is were all those who died who didn't die in faith looking twords the coming of the Messiah went. The other compartment was Abraham's Bossom this is where those who died in faith went to to be comforted. This is the portion of hell that Jesus went to in order to lead them from captivity and went to Heaven. Those died in faith, believing the the coming Messiah. When He showed up and proclaimed to have the keys of Death I imagine there was a great rush to leave and be with God as they were all awaiting for Him.
Third, the prophecy of the coming Messiah goes all the bay back to Genesis Chapter 3
Fourth, the term Christian is a term that is used to define one who follows Christ. I have met many that claim, but do not follow Him.
Fifth, "of this way" wasn't a cult nor was it a title it was a way to descibe the new sect that was arising in Judism. Jesus came for the WORLD!!!! not just the Jews. That is by far the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard.
You speak of this in the literal sense of the statement which truly has no plausible application of the depth of the substance in question
Your indirect slandering of Brother Dsuma is unwarranted also; very un-Loving
(Just my take of it)
Peace and Love Uhhh....
dude check the definition of slander. I didn't attack him, I just said that the statment he made that Jesus didn't come into the world for gentiles is the most ridiculas statement I have ever heard. Until I read that statement, something I said was the most ridiculas statement that I have ever heard!! and I am sure I will hear another soon, heck I might be the one that says it.
Not sure I understand your literal sense statement. He asked a question and I have a direct answer. One of the things I hear from those to mock Christianity is that Christians can't give direct answers to serious questions. I was just affirming the fact that I can. I don't have the answers to all things and I tend not to answer unless an opinion is requsted. you did give a direct answer, good job. but those of us who mock christianity and all belief in supernatural phenomenon are much less concened about the directness of your answeres as we are about the absurdness. a direct, rediculous answer is still a rediculous answer.
That is a GREAT point....
however he asked the question. My question is to those who do not beleive in the supernatureal or will never believe, then why ask the question?
It would seem then you are not interested in the answer, but more doing in a hope to mock the believer. Now, thats cool too.... however, if you are going to do that at least get your information right. It seems to me that for this guy to make this ridiculous statement he had to mislead the reader. Quote the Bible correctly at least if your going to mock it otherwise someone like me will point out your misquote and make your entire point like again ridiculous!
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| | 7/16/2008 4:45:01 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
dufrene
Bella Vista, AR
age: 35
| So according to you Christians, Jesus died on the cross the rose from the dead.
If you believe this then you can go to heaven.
But after Jesus rose from the dead, he went to hell to get the souls of all the Saints to take them up to heaven.
But how did they know who Jesus was?
Jesus was born after they were already dead, so couldn't have believed in him, so this contradicts your rules of getting into heaven.
Please explain this obvious contradiction and they were psychic saint or some other silly thing doesn't count. The obviously didn't know of Jesus prior to his existence or they would have said so, so therefor not Christians, so therefor no reason to kidnap them from hell and drag them off to Christian heaven.
And a further question would be, was it a Christian heaven?
Was Jesus a Christian?
I wouldn't think so.
As far as I know his teachings had no defined name and he must have claimed to be functioning in the Jewish religion. After his death there was a small cult formed, called "the cult of the way", not named Christianity or catholicism.
In fact Jesus said himself that he had only come for the Jews, it wasn't till after his death that they started to let others in this unauthorized cult. ever w
Jesus never went to hell. He finished His work on the cross.
Uh,
my friend, Jesus did go to Abraham's bossom, to lead people out of captivity.
Jesus said:
Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. And there shall be no sign given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the huge fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
There are other Biblical references if you want them..
| | 7/16/2008 4:56:36 PM | For whom every so believeth in me..... | |
stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51 online now!
| Brother Dufrene
You placed your self in a superior frame of mind when you said :"I Will Answer This"
and then ended your presentation by indirectly calling the brother ridiculous.
You claim that you are a Christian in your profile.
A Christian is suppose to Love other's as they want to be loved; with all their heart, mind soul and strength. In so doing they Love the Father with all their mind, heart, soul and strength. This is the 2 Great Commandments Jesus made us aware of and avowed us to adhere to if We are to Follow Him.
Also, the same definitions you quoted from Webster are the same I gave to you, except I shortened it for you. You choose not to see is all.
And if you reject this notification of your ill action then it also is your choice.
However, it does not make me incorrect to bring it to your attention that you could have left out your final statement (which ridiculous was included), as it was also arrogant on your behalf.
No disrespect intended from me either.
You did respond to the threads post in more detail than I had initially. However, I responded in haste due to time allowance. However, I believe I had covered more ground than you had; without injuring the brother's feelings. This is a sing of Grace and it polishes the individual who chooses to Follow the Philosophy of Jesus.
Just attempting to elevate you from the level of Christianity my brother.
In Peace and Love
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