| 8/5/2008 2:41:18 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | yankeeluvspeach
Athens, GA
age: 30
| I think that's kind of the point that the Dem was trying to make in the second video. Offshore drilling will NOT drop prices either right away or for a substantial period of time. It is a bandaid solution, more of a slap in the face really, than a credible attempt to steer the country in a healthy direction. I agree with everyone who's said it so far, we need to diversify our energy exploration and put into place some kind of legislation to prevent gouging on things like knight was talking about.
| | 8/5/2008 2:56:17 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | aka_neo
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| | 8/5/2008 3:43:59 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | 
ddhriss
Glen Burnie, MD
age: 63
| My feelings are that the government, all political parites, no no interests or intentions in seeing gas prices at the pump ever, ever dropping below $3 a gallon again. Why? not because if they wanted to, they could easily force the prices lower, but because the government is making a killing win fall tax profit on the high price of gas. At $3 a gallon, Uncle gets .61 cents. If the prices were rool back to $1.30, what it was in 2000, the government would go broke. Since 2000, over 90 privet ethanol refineries have been built and put into service. But that stuff is very heavely regulated by the government, and those farmers can't sell it to the public. Honda has a car in the market that runs on natural gas, it sells for $24,000. Buy that baby and the government will then give you a $4,000 rebate for buying a "Green" car. Honda will then take that $4,000 and sell you a kit for your home so that you can fill your new Honda at your house using the natural gas that you are using to heat and cook with, and today that's still selling for less then $2 a gallon. But you'll never see that advertised, but you'll see it if you go on line under Honda cars. No 1 fuel si the answer or the solution. The solution is using a number of alturnitive fuels and offering flex fuel hybread cars. But that ain't gonna happen until we're broke. Good luck all
| | 8/5/2008 6:49:34 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | 
dakwa
Tulsa, OK
age: 48
| From what it sounds like, is that the Congress is looking for something to hold on to, and keep prices reduced as much as possible until a solution can be found that would be much more relible. Out here Quick trip sells the bio fuel, and you get roughly 18-20 miles to gallon, but you can get real fuel at Shell and get 30 miles to a gallon. Biofuel which costs the same as real gas does not benefit the user at all.
So far the State of Oklahoma is going to help with my NES (Natural Energy System) design, which I am getting ready to patten, and then try and get into the market. This is a Non-Fuel power system I have been working on for the past seven years. Maybe if I can get this going, and developed beyond paper, we can see a more effective system for vehicles. Combine this with wind, solar, and Current generators, for everything else, we could have ourselves in a more productive situation as far as energy.
| | 8/5/2008 7:52:16 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | 
sdcentaur
Sioux Falls, SD
age: 48
| There are technologies both in development and already in use would still take time to implement.
It seems we have an ailing auto industry that has the tooling and production capacity that could be used to build parts for wind turbines. There would have to be some new transmission lines and upgrading to existing distribution systems but with wind power spread out across the country and enough transmission capacity it has the potential to greatly reduce fossil fueled electric generation.
I keep hearing people complaining that there wasn't research and development on alternative energy during the 80s and 90s but at least in wind power that isn't true. The turbines I worked on were built in 1998 and compared to the ones built in the late 80s they were like a modern BMW compared to a model T. The turbines coming online now are again as far advanced over the turbines I worked on. The idea of a turbine that only needs routine maintenance once a year is a wind tech's dream and at least one company is looking at extending that to 3 years.
Biofuels based on grain are a net energy loss. It would be more energy efficient to feed the grain to animals and ferment the manure into Methane. That way we'd get meat and fertilizer as "by products" in the process. There's a turkey farm in SW MN that burns the manure directly to generate electricity.
Switchgrass and algae based fuels seem promising and with the algae formers could use manure as fertilizer and get fuel stock and feed back from the process.
Solar electric (photovoltaic) as far as electricity produced per unit area has pretty much reached the maximum and the main R&D being done there is to make them cheaper. Solar does have the advantage of producing during the day when the heavy users like businesses and manufacturing are using the most. Solar concentrators used to make steam for producing electricity are about as efficient as photovoltaic but only suitable for large installations.
The oil supply/price problem discussion seems to be ignoring what's going on in this part of the country. Large finds in ND that could equal the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia, a new refinery just to the south of me, new high capacity pipeline on this end of the State and another proposed going from Canada to LA through the western part of the State. Granted that it will be 2 years before they can make a significant impact on gas prices but since the vast majority of that oil is on private land there's nothing Congress can do or not do that would effect it unless legislation to lay extra taxes on oil companies slows development.
| | 8/5/2008 7:58:33 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | 
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 56
| From what it sounds like, is that the Congress is looking for something to hold on to, and keep prices reduced as much as possible until a solution can be found that would be much more relible. Out here Quick trip sells the bio fuel, and you get roughly 18-20 miles to gallon, but you can get real fuel at Shell and get 30 miles to a gallon. Biofuel which costs the same as real gas does not benefit the user at all.
So far the State of Oklahoma is going to help with my NES (Natural Energy System) design, which I am getting ready to patten, and then try and get into the market. This is a Non-Fuel power system I have been working on for the past seven years. Maybe if I can get this going, and developed beyond paper, we can see a more effective system for vehicles. Combine this with wind, solar, and Current generators, for everything else, we could have ourselves in a more productive situation as far as energy.
good luck with your patten. hope it makes you the next Bill Gates. Your information about the bio fuels is correct too. It cost the same and doesn't give the gas mileage that current fuels give us.
Viril, you might be on to something with the republicans up there. Its not strange that you referred to them as getting their bunns handed to them. I do not see dems or repubs up there right now. I see Americans getting taken to the cleaners because of party splits and bull heads like nancy pelosi who's only interest is in herself. Like a little bantee hen strutting across the barn yard gloating, I WON! I WON! Don't you dare believe that. America LOSES with her winning. Most of the oil companies are expanding their refineries as we sit here. I do not know if any new plants will come online because of the expense of building them, but additions, yeah. Marathon's huge addition will be online very soon, if it isnt already. i believe their current production is close 245,000 barrels a day. The addition will handle another 170,000. Exxon/Mobil, Shell, BP, are among the others that are expanding, some even before this latest crunch.
yankee, that crude that is drilled now, will be in your gas tank within 14 months. Some a bit later, some a bit sooner. Of course it's a band aide solution. I didn't realize that we sink almost $1 trillion per year into the saudi's pockets. How many more jobs will that finance for American jobs?
Of course, I'm for alternative fuels as well. Saturn, the newest successful American auto company, might just surprise many of us with what's coming down the pike with them. They make a fine little car with the warranty that shocked most of us, and even then, some of the foreign auto makers jumped on matching their warranties. They are set up with the energy efficient autos already. We never hear much on the news from them.
T Boone has some great ideas, but the supply side of the natural gas needs to be available to drive these autos. I see some of the hardware stores with the butane tank supplying those gas grills, but to fill up numerous trucks or cars? Not many station owners are willing to invest $100k for a tank and a pump with the small number of autos on the market now that burn natural gas.
dd is correct as well. to congress, oil companies are a cash cow. a virtual money tree. I think swift posted an article in yesterdays wall street journal in a thread about 'windfall' profits. Windfall profits are what congress has right now. With gas hovering around $3.60 in Houston right now, just think, if it wasn't for the local, state and federal tax, we would be well under $3/gallon.
the Harry Houdini going on in congress now, with all 4 parties, Dems, Repubs, Libs, and Green, is smoke and mirrors. Nothing more.
peace... don't be hatin'
| | 8/6/2008 3:40:41 PM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 56
| neo, that site you mentioned on Renewable Energy is pretty good. I've been digging through it for a bit. I'll get back to you on the amount of information i can gleem for purchasing at a decent price the products.
dd, you are correct to about the kit honda will sell you for you to tap into your gas line at home and use it to fill up your car using natural gas. I do not know without doing some research, but I'll bet Uncle Sam is tagging those folks to report their usage so they can tax it accordingly as if using regular gasoline. Remember all the companies selling things on ebay, craigslist, etc, and the states as well as the feds are on them for their taxes.
Buy your cigarettes online, and you'll get a bill for the taxes from your state. Once upon a time, I was a member of a barter club. the IRS jumped us and made us pay taxes on the value of the exchange service.
heck of an idea though. t boone pickens probably wants to do the same thing too. But I'm sure the kit would be much less than the $4000 honda sells.
peace... don't be hatin'
| | 8/6/2008 3:44:39 PM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | aka_neo
Marathon, FL
age: 52
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| | 8/6/2008 3:55:45 PM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 56
| 102 and 103, Saturday and Sunday on my thermometer here. I could use solar.
peace... don't be hatin'
| | 8/6/2008 7:25:29 PM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | |
dakwa
Tulsa, OK
age: 48
| Knightnight; "good luck with your patten. hope it makes you the next Bill Gates."
Thank you. I am working on the first part, the one for small ground vehicles. After I can get that one going, hopefully make enough to work on the rest of them. Three sets that can be modified for different types of vehicles; land water and air. But they will all be pollution free because of no fuel needed.
| | 8/10/2008 8:52:43 AM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | | 
layla22
Peoria, IL
age: 55
| pickens is advocating developement of natural gas resources and wind power, particularly that drawn from what he calls the "wind corridor", which sweeps through the midwest and near western states.
| | 8/10/2008 12:52:48 PM | Let's talk energy plans for the USA. T.Boone Pickens & | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 56
| pickens is advocating developement of natural gas resources and wind power, particularly that drawn from what he calls the "wind corridor", which sweeps through the midwest and near western states.
in addition, he advocates bringing the $$$$ back to America. $700 billion each year finances those dang indoor ski slopes being built in Saudi. $700 billion would be rather nice to have here in the US.
Everyone knows we need alternate sources of heating and cooling our homes. As Pickens suggest, wind power would help very much. Solar would work well in the southern states. We know we cannot rely on just coal and crude. Nuclear, though we need a safe way to dispose of those used rods, is feasible as well.
We need alternate means of transportation as well. For many, the small electric autos will work rather nicely when work is close to home. For others, they simply aren't feasible. More will begin to work from home and the days of salesmen calling on clients personally, is going to become obsolete. More people will be taking mass transit. More commuter trains will appear. Running over to their buddy's house by young teen drivers, will become less and less simply because of the price of gas.
We are a changing nation. We are living in what seems like a very tough time, but we will change as needed. Perhaps, we'll learn to read and play games with our children again. Get to know our neighbors instead of running all over town to be with friends.
peace... don't be hatin'
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