church of the future... ?

2/18/2009 8:56:48 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Churches have been around for a long time.. it's clear that they serve a purpose for a large portion of society... so what is that purpose? (the charity thing has been done to death, that is not my focus here).. To me they are a gathering place for like minded others to lend support and uplift each other, certainly a worthy goal... With that in mind, we come here day after day spending countless hours of our valuable time (you know who you are, lol).. And if you think about it.. this too is: a gathering place for like minded others to lend support and uplift each other... but it is also a place where non-like minded others can come.. The diversity in beliefs along with the forum rules creates an atmosphere where learning can take place... like an unofficial interfaith organization of sorts.. And this got me thinking that to me this forum is like a microcosm of where the world is headed (in my view anyway)... religious pluralism and agreed upon ethics to protect everyone's rights... not just an elite few.. Imagine coming together in one place to talk about and worship God in a myriad of ways without fear of reprisal..... oh wait... we already are. So... what do you all think?
2/18/2009 9:25:30 PM	church of the future... ?
lovesgod57 Waukegan, IL age: 52	I think the church of the future will revert back to small gatherings in people's homes. Religion will be outlawed as being detrimental to society. The "Hate Crime" bill will over ride the freedom of speech and since religion is seen as intolerant, churches will be the first underfire. JMO. [Edited 2/18/2009 9:26:12 PM PST]
2/18/2009 9:27:59 PM	church of the future... ?
harleylow Huntington Beach, CA age: 47	Quote from lovesgod57: I think the church of the future will revert back to small gatherings in people's homes. Religion will be outlawed as being detrimental to society. The "Hate Crime" bill will over ride the freedom of speech and since religion is seen as intolerant, churches will be the first underfire. JMO. I like the way you think. Sounds like they dont want Gods Church, so they make up their own. The great apostasy!
2/18/2009 9:56:14 PM	church of the future... ?
nodresiak Versailles, OH age: 33	Shakti Good observation about the internet religious forumn thing.I do think it is a great tool for people of different faiths to come together and gain insight into the beleifs of others.I mean in what other place could you find so many Atheists,Christians,Moslems,Jews,Buddhists,etc,etc in one room exchanging views. It can be a beautiful thing for those of the open-minded persuasion. Or it can be a useless thing for those who have a rigid idealogy that can't be questioned.
2/18/2009 10:25:57 PM	church of the future... ?
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Quote from lovesgod57: I think the church of the future will revert back to small gatherings in people's homes. Religion will be outlawed as being detrimental to society. The "Hate Crime" bill will over ride the freedom of speech and since religion is seen as intolerant, churches will be the first underfire. JMO. I agree with you lovesgod57
2/18/2009 10:32:36 PM	church of the future... ?
tommyd007 Millington, TN age: 46	One with limited education would find that to be a detailed Post! There's a point in all of our lives when we feel lost and are looking to be found. Most of the time, it takes someone helping us find our way; someone to follow, and maybe even take us by the hand while they lead us home.Our souls have been looking for this since we were born. We have been looking for our purpose, and the meaning of life. It is like there is a part of us missing, waiting to find the answer, waiting to be found.A church of the future founded by God would not break up.However,Souls are different with different beliefs.A church founded by us would.Take the catholic church for example.
2/19/2009 5:18:28 AM	church of the future... ?
freezinoutside Scotts, MI age: 55	The church if the future is here now -- it's called Walmart.
2/19/2009 5:44:16 AM	church of the future... ?
jstme383 South Sioux City, NE age: 36	ROFL, Freez, I didn't realize I have been going to church daily. Then I should be good in in the tithes category!! Hi All... Jstme
2/19/2009 8:32:17 AM	church of the future... ?
ourself Hamilton, ON age: 37	Hey Sass; I had a feeling this thread would come soon8^) Churches have been around for a long time.. it's clear that they serve a purpose for a large portion of society... so what is that purpose? (the charity thing has been done to death, that is not my focus here).. To me they are a gathering place for like minded others to lend support and uplift each other, certainly a worthy goal... I think so too. However, the tricky part is that although the group is like minded, they are also diverse. When you get down to the nitty-gritty, nobody is going to agree with anybody on everything. But people want to feel like they belong. We are all unique manifestations of the Universal flow. You can't not belong. The diversity in beliefs along with the forum rules creates an atmosphere where learning can take place... like an unofficial interfaith organization of sorts.. And this got me thinking that to me this forum is like a microcosm of where the world is headed (in my view anyway)... religious pluralism and agreed upon ethics to protect everyone's rights... not just an elite few.. That's it... I mean, what could be better than to embrace and celebrate the many Ways of looking at the divine? And this Way, nobody dictates the Laws of the Spiritual realm (or whatever you want to call it) onto the society of Now. All these different belief systems along with Humanist and Atheist viewpoints and creeds all end up saying the same thing... "Don't hurt each other". Many people still decide to focus on the differences as a Way to separate instead of a Way to Unite... Even though almost all of them share the same basic message. Share your perspective... Everybody has one(some an accumulated many) and every one is unique. Imagine coming together in one place to talk about and worship God in a myriad of ways without fear of reprisal..... oh wait... we already are. Yup! [Edited 2/19/2009 8:34:42 AM PST]
2/19/2009 9:02:53 AM	church of the future... ?
shylywilling Medford, OR age: 48	Church of the future? A gigantic pile of the entire earth's supply of monitary idols, (money in any form). When we give up on an artificial value for life we will know us as one. The rapture of this release, from our ever nagging but mostly unrecognized ball-n-chain, is likely to ignight Pluto off as the birth of a new comet to announce celebration of our birth as God infant and intrepid explorers of our 4th dimension and soul system. I am h(U)man.
2/19/2009 3:07:28 PM	church of the future... ?
sdcentaur Sioux Falls, SD age: 49	The future is here and now
2/19/2009 8:08:20 PM	church of the future... ?
acting_out Eagle, CO age: 46	You could say this site is for idolaters, for they come here so faithfully, it's almost ritualistic..... The definition of religion sure fits the description of the people here also. I'm waiting for moses to come down and see whats become of the faithfull. Is this internet the church of the future?....Or at least till 2012.
2/19/2009 11:42:56 PM	church of the future... ?
yafah1 Kansas City, MO age: 70	Quote from lovesgod57:I think the church of the future will revert back to small gatherings in people's homes. Religion will be outlawed as being detrimental to society. The "Hate Crime" bill will over ride the freedom of speech and since religion is seen as intolerant, churches will be the first underfire. JMO. I do agree with you there - I see the same thing happening - we are loosing our freedom - I do not believe it will last though.
2/21/2009 5:39:39 PM	church of the future... ?
mw2 Cocoa, FL age: 49	I think you're spot on T. If, as some believe that the Church may eventually regress to small cliques - then what better alternative to offer than this? Consider that you can attend when and if you please, as your schedule allows - 24/7. Here one may espouse one's true beliefs without any fear of reprisal, excepting the occasional dissenting viewpoint. Does not the very nature of this place with it's freedom of expression and equality stand as a shining example of those rights which we so highly cherish? As for the hate crime bill, it is simply one more piece of legislation in a country rife with such. Let us not over empower it by raising it up via the publicity we grant it with our own words. Many laws are passed in this country and many are ignored. Legislators are not concerned whether or not a law can be enforced, only how it makes them appear come re-election time. I cannot conceive of a church better suited to this age, nor a finer, more beautiful person to have initiated the concept............ -D [Edited 2/21/2009 5:40:26 PM PST]
2/21/2009 5:52:30 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Sorry guys, I forgot about this thread, lol.... Thanks for responding to my thoughts on this, yet again Stone, much appreciated : ) Acting out... idolators? I fail to see how the tool itself is being worshipped? That like saying the regular church goers are worshipping the building itself as opposed to God...... hmmmmm... I think you're spot on T. If, as some believe that the Church may eventually regress to small cliques - then what better alternative to offer than this? Consider that you can attend when and if you please, as your schedule allows - 24/7. Here one may espouse one's true beliefs without any fear of reprisal, excepting the occasional dissenting viewpoint. Does not the very nature of this place with it's freedom of expression and equality stand as a shining example of those rights which we so highly cherish? Pretty much what I was going for.. and to highlight what we already have..... I cannot conceive of a church better suited to this age, nor a finer, more beautiful person to have initiated the concept............ Shucks, thanks D Glad I am not alone in my vision : )
2/21/2009 6:14:11 PM	church of the future... ?
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 55	I was once on a talk forum with a very dissalusioned Christian. Anyway, we joked one night about starting an internet Church. He did not want to go out, I am stuck working half the week ends and a freind from Detroit also was stuck working week ends. We actually did it a couple times, was kind of fun. Learned so much, more than I seem to when I tried attending different churches a few years ago. Man, the modern churches , do they ever have any depth to their sermons? And all those stupid modern songs, with 36 verses and they insist on singing each one. Internet Church? Works for me! There is a movemnet in Toronto called the Meeting House, started by best selling author Bruxy Cavey, I know Shakti is familar with him. It is a Church for people who dont like Church, meeting in homes and movie theatres. Kind of an interesting concept. the Gnostic movement is big on the Home meetings I know.
2/21/2009 6:19:28 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	I like how Bruxy talked in his book "The End of Religion" about how he was offended inside at having to wear fancy clothes to church.. he couldn't understand why God would care about what we are wearing.... amongst other thoughtful ponderings that led him to dig a little deeper into his bible at a young age... cool guy, its his birthday today too actually. Anyway, quite often those intimate little gatherings are generally of the like-minded variety, which... clearly has its benefits, but you will most definately NOT find someone of a vastly differing belief system sitting across from you at one of those gatherings, it is highly unlikely, let alone more than one and feeling free enough to disagree (hopefully with respect, though not all are capable) like we can here from behind the safety of this computer screen...... [Edited 2/21/2009 6:21:52 PM PST]
2/21/2009 6:25:55 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	Well I myself don't go to church much anymore, I mean there are a lot of nice people there but, most churches usually say the same ole thing year after year with only slight differences. But then again I bore easily, maybe when I get older and get over this ADD/ADHD, lol
2/21/2009 6:33:36 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	^^ Well you don't seem bored here.. and that is sort of my point..............
2/21/2009 6:36:10 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	Yeah but here I can exercise all of my veiws, which many of them can vary from the Christian norm. With out a bunch of people looking at me like I am insane, at least on here I can't actually see the looks on their faces.
2/21/2009 6:38:15 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Again, that is part of what I am getting at... true acceptance for all, allowing for diversity while simultaneously being grounded in the same ethics.. to me this is a microcosm of where the world is headed... [Edited 2/21/2009 6:39:11 PM PST]
2/21/2009 6:46:27 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	I would like for their to be peace in the world and for people to have respect for others ideals, however due to me religion, the one world religion thing is supposed to actually be a bad thing, Though I do think that their may be a connection in most of the main religions. Including the eastern ones. something kind of like how the creator reached out to different cultures, but I havent connected many dots on that. My basis for that is, why would these billions of peaceful decent people be banished to Hell for all eternity, if a) they never heard the word b) they did not beleive the word in their hearts, one cannot beleive anything just because they heard it. Sorry if this goes slightly of subject. My bad
2/21/2009 6:51:28 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	I am NOT suggesting a one world religion, absolutely not! I adore the principles of pluralism, not sure if you have heard me wax poetic on it or not, but it is all about having respect for and learning from the beliefs and ideals of those who differ from you while still retaining your commitment to your own religion/beliefs... I know I'm a dreamer, but we have to start somewhere....
2/21/2009 6:55:28 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	No, I never said you did however, my mind went of in that tangent, and I wanted to finish that one too, that I wasn't saying the word would be the only way. to you I was also meaning respect for other religions, however I should have differentiated you from the rest of it.
2/21/2009 7:12:33 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	I am not entirely sure what you mean, but I already knew you weren't being bigotted : )
2/21/2009 7:18:40 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	Yeah, well that was a couple thoughts ago and I'm not sure what I meant either. Except for the jest of it.
2/22/2009 10:13:37 AM	church of the future... ?
skypoet Lincolnshire United Kingdom age: 57	Hi Sass... hell of a long time since I called you that hey? Nice to be a part of the show again, I will try to come back more often. This is a subject we old-timers have played with before and my views haven't changed, except I'm probably more tolerant now, so much so that I take my hat off to anyone for wanting to participate, and this is the essence of it really, that we all partake without feeling excluded... Love of self and others is synonymous, being part not apart, if you will and here is as good a place to start as I know. ~T
2/22/2009 10:39:23 AM	church of the future... ?
julietromeo Paradise Inn, WA age: 60	Quote from lovesgod57: I think the church of the future will revert back to small gatherings in people's homes. Religion will be outlawed as being detrimental to society. The "Hate Crime" bill will over ride the freedom of speech and since religion is seen as intolerant, churches will be the first underfire. JMO. hate crime bills, emhasis on the word "crime" does indeed restrict free speach and rightly so. free speach is likewise abridged at airports where you cannot talk about bombs. you cannot talk about assasinating the president without breaking the law nor can you yell "fire" falsely in a crowded theater. why would a christian have a problem with "hate crime" laws? could it be that the vast majority of hate crimes are committed by christians??? i've never heard of an atheist or agnostic commiting violent crimes against gays for instance. and of course to become a member of the kkk, a well know group that perpertrates hate crimes, a potential klansman must profess that jesus is the son of god and his savior. it's not a simple matter to refrain from hating when you adhere to exclusivity in a religion such as christianity is it? not hating requires tolerance.
2/22/2009 12:02:40 PM	church of the future... ?
swordedsaint Amelia Court House, VA age: 46	I see less and less a role for "organized religion" and more people walking their own spiritual path. There are truths to be gleaned from all faiths, but no one faith has a monopoly on truth. But when it all said and done, the only thing that matters is how much you have realized and actualized...its nice to have company, sometimes it's needed, but it can also be a great distraction. [Edited 2/22/2009 12:03:09 PM PST]
2/24/2009 7:44:57 AM	church of the future... ?
rd_skies_at_nt Marion, IN age: 33	Quote from lovesgod57: I think the church of the future will revert back to small gatherings in people's homes. Religion will be outlawed as being detrimental to society. The "Hate Crime" bill will over ride the freedom of speech and since religion is seen as intolerant, churches will be the first underfire. JMO. I agree, this is also the only way to weed out the fake from the true. those who are true will break the law you have mentioned, and will probably be executed. the fake hypocrites will obey the new law and lose their souls. but really the law that is mentioned here, is basically imprisonment of everyone. and we will also no longer ever have the freedom to choose without having to face death for those choices. it is a sad thing but i feel it must be done someday to weed out and seperate the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff.
2/24/2009 9:00:58 AM	church of the future... ?
lovesgod57 Waukegan, IL age: 52	Quote from rd_skies_at_nt: I agree, this is also the only way to weed out the fake from the true. those who are true will break the law you have mentioned, and will probably be executed. the fake hypocrites will obey the new law and lose their souls. but really the law that is mentioned here, is basically imprisonment of everyone. and we will also no longer ever have the freedom to choose without having to face death for those choices. it is a sad thing but i feel it must be done someday to weed out and seperate the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff. You are going to extremes, but there are still very "Radical" religious groups out there, and yes they are very intolerant of indiviuals because of their life preferences. It is because of those groups all churches will be put under the microscope. The theory of evolution, which is now condoned by the Vatican, will be used to quell the division between church and science. But to whose benefit? To say someone will be condemed to going to hell because of their moral (or immoral) choices will be used to prove evidence of "Mental Cruelity". It will be used as a threat and detrimental to a person's psyche. That being proven it allows for government censure, the ability to shut down an organization. But it can works both ways, to go to war with another group doesn't the disagreement have to escalate to the state of hatred? Who will be the ones prosecuted for the threats of wars? What of athiests using explitives like "delusional" and "ignorant", isn't judging someone because of their faith the same as judging someone because of their race or moral standings? Let's face it, fundamental athiest "HATE" religion and they show hatred towards anyone affiliated with a religious belief. The church of the future will have many lawyers standing beneath the cross. [Edited 2/24/2009 9:10:38 AM PST]
2/24/2009 12:44:18 PM	church of the future... ?
rd_skies_at_nt Marion, IN age: 33	all religons will be put under examination, and prolly will be all made illegal. it is quite possible that these forums will even become illegal. it may be extreme but i did not say that i was willing to hurt anyone, i just want the imitation to stop existing. all they prove is how fake it is. and turn people away from the truth.
2/25/2009 9:39:44 AM	church of the future... ?
ourself Hamilton, ON age: 37	This is one extreme to the other. Again... Propagating fear in order to silence differing opinions. There is a happy medium between being intolerant of all beliefs and letting one belief system decide everything. It's called Pluralism. Everybody has the right to a say and it's not frowned on but expected that opinions differ. "Big Brother" or "God of the highest bidder"??? I'll take door number 3, Chuck. Fighting with the natural Way things go is nuts. It is natural that We see things differently. I really doubt the majority will want to suppress learning from each other. 6 billion heads are better than one. [Edited 2/25/2009 9:50:46 AM PST]
2/25/2009 10:31:15 AM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	So glad I am not alone in my vision... thanks for being you Stone, I am honored to count you among those who have become my friend in spirit I can see why some would object to the idea... but those same people who are objecting are still participating... or they simply wouldn't be here. Just sayin.....
2/25/2009 10:40:12 AM	church of the future... ?
ourself Hamilton, ON age: 37	Aww, hey... Thanks. I feel the same. [Edited 2/25/2009 10:40:28 AM PST]
2/26/2009 8:33:00 AM	church of the future... ?
rd_skies_at_nt Marion, IN age: 33	Quote from shakti: So glad I am not alone in my vision... thanks for being you Stone, I am honored to count you among those who have become my friend in spirit I can see why some would object to the idea... but those same people who are objecting are still participating... or they simply wouldn't be here. Just sayin..... i am not saying that this is a bad idea, and would not partake in it if i thought it was. i was just rambling about the fact that there will be no freedom someday for anyone to practice any religon. or even speak of it without getting into trouble. buyt for now this is the best we can probably get. seeing that places like churches are only gonna talk about things that have been worn out over the years. this is a place to explore new possibilities about God and his great mystery. [Edited 2/26/2009 8:33:17 AM PST]
2/26/2009 8:52:15 AM	church of the future... ?
ourself Hamilton, ON age: 37	^^^^ Wow. Another coward blocks me.
2/26/2009 4:54:50 PM	church of the future... ?
christman Frankfort, KY age: 38	The one world system of antichrist is being built world wide in the hearts of men as we write. Looks like several on this site are already slaves to it.
2/26/2009 5:00:34 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	Christman here you go. Well I admit that I do find these conspiracy theories as an entertaining, interesting, and intriging read. Now I'm not saying this isn't pure unadulturated BS, but I feel that it is a possibility, and therefore not impossible, and I feel that the subject matter pertains to this topic. WHAT IS THE 'BLUE BEAM PROJECT'? It involves two things. A technologically simulated 'second coming' and the re-emergence of the new 'MONTAUK'-type projects that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a 'rapture' type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have the potential for changing the planet into oneness with God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow become God in human form and control other Men and dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new religion, the New World Order and the new 'Messiah' will entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing 'holy wars'. The 'BLUE BEAM PROJECT' will pretend to be the universal fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating satellites [star wars]. These projectors will project simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by region. It deals with the religious aspect of the New World Order. The system has already been tested. Holographic projections of the 'Christ Image' have already been seen in some remote desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are instantly rendered moot. They can also project images of aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will coordinate the satellites and software will run the show-and-tell. Holography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is equally applicable to acoustic [ELF, VLF, LF] waves as it is optical phenomena. Specifically, the 'show' will consist of laser projections of multiple holographic images to different parts of the planet, each receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of space, astonished followers of the various creeds will witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike realness. The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge into ONE after 'correct explanation' of the mysteries, prophecies and revelations are disclosed. This 'ONE GOD' will in fact function as the Anti-Christ', who will 'explain' that the various scriptures 'have been misunderstood' - that the religious of old are responsible for turning brother against brother, nation against nation - that the religions of the world must be abolished to make way for the GOLDEN AGE [NEW AGE] of the One World Religion, representing the One God they see before them. Naturally, this superbly staged, full-scale production will result in social and religious disorder on a massive scale. Wonder what the television transmitters of religious networks will be doing on that day? But before all this, they have to go through four different steps in order to get to Project Blue Beam. 1: The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise locations around the planet where supposed new 'discoveries' will finally explain [for them] that the meaning of the basic doctrines of all the world's major religions are 'wrong'. This falsification will be used to make the population believe that all religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. The falsification started with the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, the TV-series STAR TREK, the INDEPENDENCE DAY film, E.T., all of which deal with space 'invasion' and 'protection'. JURASSIC PARK was to push the theory of evolution. 2: The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, according to its predetermined original national religious faith. This new 'god' image will talk in all languages. As an example, the Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and have programmed them with the minute psychological particles based upon their studies of the anatomy and biology of the human body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of the human brain. These computers have also been fed with the different languages of the world. 3: The third step deals with the telepathic electronic two-way communications, where ELF [Extra Low Frequency], VLF [Low Frequency] waves will reach the people of the Earth through the insides of their brains, making each person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his own soul. Such rays, from satellites, are fed from the memory of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. These rays will then interlace and interweave with the natural thinking processes to form what we call the ARTIFICIAL TALK.
2/26/2009 5:01:02 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	4: The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using electronic means. This step contains three different orientations: The first one is to make mankind believe that an alien invasion is about to occur upon every major city on the Earth. This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false attack. The second is to make the 'Christian' believe that a major rapture is occurring, with a simple 'played' divine intervention of an alleged 'good' alien force coming to save the good people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all significant opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER. The third orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves [frequencies] used at that time will allow supernatural forces through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable, electric and telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment and appliances that will by then all have a special microchip installed. The goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic ghosts, spectres, and poltergiests all across the globe in order to push all populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and permanent psychological disorder. After that night of the THOUSAND STARS, HUMANITY IS BELIEVED TO BE READY FOR THEM TO ENTER IN A 'NEW MESSIAH' TO REESTABLISH PEACE EVERYWHERE AT ANY COST, EVEN AT THE COST OF FREEDOM. NOTICE FROM WILLIAM KERN: The report above was pirated from Serge Monast who was killed while researching Project Blue Beam. Any copyright of this material belongs to Serge Monast or his family, NOT Cornell University. See Blue Beam Part 1. 'David Esur' - a military soldier who actually released secrets from the NSA (it is believed). Last reported as 'he is worried for his life' because of releasing it, he has disappeared from my email list. But then again, I never really was able to contact him to begin with - he contacted me, once. He released: 'Subliminal Implanted Posthypnotic Suggestions and Scripts Using Acoustically Delivered and Phonetically Accelerated Posthypnotic Commands without Somnambulistic Preparation in the Subject for Intelligence and Counterintelligence Applications by the United States National Security Agency.' I think he disappeared....like Ross Adey.... and I think that the writer of the article below, Timothy Thomas, may have too. But who knows? Foreign Military Studies Office 101 Meade Ave Fort Leavenworth, KS 66027-1351 WARNING! The views expressed in FMSO publications and reports are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. Government. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There was a lot more to this artical but, ehh Im lazy, This is another story that deals with nwo (Illuminati) so I encourage sceptisism Crazy Crackpot theory, Or Crazy sounding truth by some random dude? Who knows. I just thought I would put this one out there.
2/26/2009 5:04:15 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Red Skies: am not saying that this is a bad idea, and would not partake in it if i thought it was. I guess what I am saying is that we are participating already without really even thinking about it.... that is what struck me, so I thought I would bring those contemplations here. i was just rambling about the fact that there will be no freedom someday for anyone to practice any religon. or even speak of it without getting into trouble. What makes you say this? this is a place to explore new possibilities about God and his great mystery. Agreed.. for ALL, excluding none, unless of course they break the prexisting ethics we are all grounded in... which was my point right from the start. Stone: ^^^^ Wow. Another coward blocks me. Not sure about you, but I'm starting to take it as a compliment : ) christman: The one world system of antichrist is being built world wide in the hearts of men as we write. Looks like several on this site are already slaves to it. If you are referring to me, then I suggest hooked on phonics, and perhaps an injection or two of reality, repeat as needed Akforr: I just thought I would put this one out there. May I ask why? [Edited 2/26/2009 5:08:08 PM PST]
2/26/2009 5:10:03 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	Because I thought it was an interesting story and plausible, and with some slight tweaking would fit into Revelation.
2/26/2009 5:17:20 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	This thread isn't about revelation though.. nor is it about the new world order or illuminati.....
2/26/2009 6:12:42 PM	church of the future... ?
dumbdotcom Debert, NS age: 82	^^^^lol, ah, but ya got to admit, the Montauk is especially intriguing, (lol, ask Richard or Ron, where we've spent a jillion words discussing it and the possibilities, omG omG, too funny....) But to the thread at hand... I'm with Stone and Sass..pluralism is where it's at. As long as the participants are willing to accept the possibility that another's pov is also entirely plausible, I see a true meeting of mind and spirit of all religious thought. The thing is, it's those that want to say "my way is the only way" that get my goat. Kinda makes me cantankerous. Cheers, Raven
2/26/2009 6:24:01 PM	church of the future... ?
akforr3st7 Akron, OH age: 20	But...but..but , he started, and that was some info that pertained to one thing that the above poster said. And also in my religion one world religion is to be feared, While I beleive that each way is to be respected, and should be better understood in Revelation when this actually happens it is orchestrated by satan and the anti-christ, The best way to succede would be having control over the people that run the world, which this theory would work.
2/26/2009 6:27:04 PM	church of the future... ?
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 55	Lol Raven, was thinking of the Montauk today. Kind of like to go back and arrange stuff so I could be President, Commander in Chief. Sheesh, we would have Air Force day, I could go play with F14`s, sub day, drive a nuclear sub, tank day,,, wow all those toys! Obama cant go to heaven he is already there! Oh, breast awareness day, maybe get Hallie to help the President understand ,,, whoops sorry. I'm with Stone and Sass..pluralism is where it's at. As long as the participants are willing to accept the possibility that another's pov is also entirely plausible, I see a true meeting of mind and spirit of all religious thought. The thing is, it's those that want to say "my way is the only way" that get my goat. Kinda makes me cantankerous Raven Yes , respect for others is the most important thing, Pluralism is the only thing that will help this world be a better place. Now in this Church, yea I get cantankerous if we have to drink wine for communion, much prefer Moose Head my self. Again I agree!
2/26/2009 6:34:18 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Raven: ^^^^lol, ah, but ya got to admit, the Montauk is especially intriguing, (lol, ask Richard or Ron, where we've spent a jillion words discussing it and the possibilities, omG omG, too funny....) Honestly not sure how I feel about all of that... but I know about the trip, lol... I'm with Stone and Sass..pluralism is where it's at. As long as the participants are willing to accept the possibility that another's pov is also entirely plausible, I see a true meeting of mind and spirit of all religious thought. The thing is, it's those that want to say "my way is the only way" that get my goat. Kinda makes me cantankerous. Literally the ONLY thing standing in the way is exclusivity of truth/elitism... imo inclusivity is where its at. And for anyone thinking that is soft or easy... just try it. Akforr: But...but..but , he started, and that was some info that pertained to one thing that the above poster said. And also in my religion one world religion is to be feared, While I beleive that each way is to be respected, and should be better understood in Revelation when this actually happens it is orchestrated by satan and the anti-christ, The best way to succede would be having control over the people that run the world, which this theory would work. Quit pouting like a little boy, lol... you sure don't talk like one! But, honestly.. if you think about it.... which religion is the loudest in trying to get all others to believe as they do? Claiming that all other ways to God are false? All the while pointing fingers out at those seen as attempting to steal their ability to win the very same goal? The thought of a one world religion makes me shudder to the very depths of me! That sure isn't what I am promoting here, glad you were able to hear me : ) [Edited 2/26/2009 6:42:38 PM PST]
2/26/2009 6:51:00 PM	church of the future... ?
dumbdotcom Debert, NS age: 82	Honestly not sure how I feel about all of that... but I know about the trip, lol... Have you heard about our Haight Ashbury trip, in a souped up custom made Montauk, where we go vist Jimi on set? Madcrat is in charge of pharmacology, Dunk is the driver and I'm the vibe mistress in a mini skirt. OMG OMG BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lol, Dunk and breast awareness day, he's such a man, lol lol lol lol lol lol Cheers, just crackin' up here...
2/26/2009 6:58:11 PM	church of the future... ?
christman Frankfort, KY age: 38	I can see what point your making Akforr. I know signs and wonders will be done that will even possibly decieve the very elect so i cant say that the prince of the air wont use the means you stated to decieve the world. I have never heard of your outlook and theolegy on this but at least you are a student and i send blessings in Yeshusas name that you will keep strong and be lead to all turth brother. God bless all who seek the truth.Amen
2/26/2009 11:32:50 PM	church of the future... ?
madrcat Freeport, IL age: 52	Quote from dumbdotcom: Have you heard about our Haight Ashbury trip, in a souped up custom made Montauk, where we go vist Jimi on set? Madcrat is in charge of pharmacology, Dunk is the driver and I'm the vibe mistress in a mini skirt. OMG OMG BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lol, Dunk and breast awareness day, he's such a man, lol lol lol lol lol lol Cheers, just crackin' up here... Hey, I thought our first stop was to visit Timothy Leary and then go tell Bill Gates to put more effort in the Mac, so we're not all stuck with these cursed PC's! Internet Churches, Pluralism and 2012. It's all here. The numbers for splinter churches continue to add up if you look closely. 1+1=2+1=3+2=5+3=8... Translated into religion, this is indeed pluralism and will continue to be an infinite progress fueled by evolutionary technology. However, I don't think we should start at the number 1. Just as we progress, we also regress. 1-1=0-1=-1-1=-2-1=-3... This is our travel back to the soul and eventually creation. So for the church of the future to succeed, it will not only have to be able to quench our thirst for cosmic expansion, but also our desire to grasp our body, our spirit and ultimately our soul's place in the multiverse.
2/27/2009 3:02:13 AM	church of the future... ?
dumbdotcom Debert, NS age: 82	This is our travel back to the soul and eventually creation. Now Mad Dear, we've had this conversation before, the Eternal Now is NOW, so we're already perfected souls. Time and the Montauk are ways to express our creativity throughout the Eternal Now....so really, the church of the future is now, 'cept people are not aware just yet...... And yeah, I vaguely remember our chat with Bill Gates and I told him about Vista, but just sometimes people just get so stubborn! lol lol lol lol Have you and Dunky baby figured out the Tao field to encompass three recliners yet? I believe I have some spare vacuum transister tubes in the basement....bwahahahahahahaha Cheers, Raven
2/27/2009 7:48:12 AM	church of the future... ?
madrcat Freeport, IL age: 52	Quote from dumbdotcom: Now Mad Dear, we've had this conversation before, the Eternal Now is NOW, so we're already perfected souls. Time and the Montauk are ways to express our creativity throughout the Eternal Now....so really, the church of the future is now, 'cept people are not aware just yet...... And yeah, I vaguely remember our chat with Bill Gates and I told him about Vista, but just sometimes people just get so stubborn! lol lol lol lol Have you and Dunky baby figured out the Tao field to encompass three recliners yet? I believe I have some spare vacuum transister tubes in the basement....bwahahahahahahaha Cheers, Raven I so want to argue the Eternal Now, but will refrain from Threadjacking Shakti's thread any worse than we already have! BTW- our souls may be perfect, but that doesn't mean we are! The Church of the future is now, only if you grant the fact that we live with "no past, no present and no future" in the cosmic force we call Time Space. -Cat
2/27/2009 8:37:03 AM	church of the future... ?
dumbdotcom Debert, NS age: 82	but will refrain from Threadjacking Shakti's thread any worse than we already have! BTW- Indeed, my apologies Sassy. Forgot myself and for a while, thought we were somewhere else... Sorry.... Cheers, Raven
2/27/2009 3:10:03 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Raven: so really, the church of the future is now, 'cept people are not aware just yet...... Nice! We are already all here sharing and learning.. which does happen in a regular church as well, but here.. there is the extraordinary opportunity to intereact with those who's views differ drastically.... and if there weren't value in that, we simply wouldn't be here : ) Madrcat: our souls may be perfect, but that doesn't mean we are! I like this... but then, I see truth as being paradoxical : ) The Church of the future is now, only if you grant the fact that we live with "no past, no present and no future" in the cosmic force we call Time Space. -Cat An ever-evolving now that we each add to.... Raven: Indeed, my apologies Sassy. Forgot myself and for a while, thought we were somewhere else... It has been rather silent there lately
2/27/2009 3:21:13 PM	church of the future... ?
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 55	{quote]Have you and Dunky baby figured out the Tao field to encompass three recliners yet? Working on a flux capacitor right now, I decided I cant leave my Truck behind. The meeting house already meets in movie theatres like I mentioned already. But this I think is even better, all different religions can meet, compare what we have in common instead of celebrating the differences.
2/27/2009 3:30:47 PM	church of the future... ?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	^^ You know.... I am not so sure we are ready for this in person... really. Just last night a coworker and I got to talking. She is in school to become a pastor, 7th day adventist.. which I don't know a lot about, so I was asking questions.. I enjoy learning about other ways of seeing things. At first she seemed very open minded and accepting of others ways, until... The use of oracles came up and she said that only those approved by God can be used and the only way we can know this is by reading what is in the bible. I said that the bible isn't the only religious text out there and that to many, the oracular process does involve God regardless of what the bible says.. She started raising her voice at me and the conversation had to end.. fizzled out. Did we learn anything? I learned that she has limits on open mindedness and tolerance for other ways of seeing things and that it is more comfortable for me to discuss things here.. This screen affords us the ability to take a step back.. to take a minute to hear, really hear the other person, to consider their perspective. Not everyone can do that even online, but it is most assuredly easier here than in person! I really do see this as a microcosm of where we are evolving to.. like I said, a practicing ground of sorts...... because the more I discuss my views in here and learn to offer respect to those who differ from me greatly, the easier it becomes to do the same in person : ) [Edited 2/27/2009 3:32:03 PM PST]
3/7/2009 6:25:39 PM	church of the future... ?
acting_out Eagle, CO age: 46	SHAKTI... idolators? I fail to see how the tool itself is being worshipped? That like saying the regular church goers are worshipping the building itself as opposed to God...... hmmmmm... _____________________________ Actually it would seem that many denominations devote more of their time and energy into building the mega churchs and the adornmnets inside. So, yes, they in a way are worshipping the bldg. before God. Dunrich.. It is a Church for people who dont like Church, meeting in homes and movie theatres. I attended one of these for about a yr. In a movie theater... it was called Next Level Church, they may still have a site if you're interested. [Edited 3/7/2009 6:28:38 PM PST]
3/7/2009 7:05:29 PM	church of the future... ?
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 55	Hi acting out, I would love to read about that Church, thanks, just drop a line. Shaktis post reminded me of something while reading it. My one Grand Father was very legalistic, in fact he refused to attend one of his Sons weddings because he was marrying a Catholic. { Of course being the reble I was, I shacked up with one for 22 years} Anyway, the very last time I saw him, I was travelling home to North Bay from Van wert Ohio, went through the border at Windsor and decided to drop in. To be honest, I sat in the car for almost an hour making up my mind to or not. I finally went in. Was I ever shocked, he had a friend visiting him, they were just heading out to see a Windsor Spifire Hockey Game. The guy was a retired Catholic Priest. Oh dont get me wrong, Gramps was still a staunch Salvationist, at his funeral he left instructions for the band to play, very loud, the Montreal march as he was being talken out. But he had met this old retired Priest through their mutual love of Hockey. {Gramps played it till into his 70`s}. This happened when he was in his 90`s, and discovered he had all these things in common with a dreaded enemy, love of Christ, hockey and arguing religion, lol. If those two could get along, in the ripe old age of 90, I cant help wonder why the rest of us cant?
3/7/2009 7:20:33 PM	church of the future... ?
frotificare Syracuse, NY age: 52	<--- Advocate here It must be nice to have everyone here agreeing with you sweety. Yet, how can they resist you or your thoughtful idea for diverse relations of fellowship? And if you think about it.. this too is: a gathering place for like minded others to lend support and uplift each other... but it is also a place where non-like minded others can come.. The diversity in beliefs along with the forum rules creates an atmosphere where learning can take place... like an unofficial interfaith organization of sorts.. The cannibal in me wants to lift everyone of you up! Alas, this is quite distasteful since I am unable to reach any of you to my lips This is no place for the cannibal as dinner will not be served at this alter
3/7/2009 7:25:16 PM	church of the future... ?
lovesgod57 Waukegan, IL age: 52	Matthew 6 (NIV): 5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.