Should Christians be allowed to post in here? 61

4/13/2009 7:20:16 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
bachelor09 Riverside, CA age: 56	I think everyone should be allowed to have their voice be heard.
4/13/2009 10:16:57 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	What an incredibly weak response, lol..... There is a far more appropriate place to post such things chat girl, you folks have the ability to keep out any kind of opposition to your beliefs, yet we leave the door open to everyone.. the least you could do is wipe your damn shoes on the way in. If you cannot comprehend that we are not interested in your preaching and proselytizing, I will have no choice but to block you.
4/13/2009 11:18:52 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
bachelor09 Riverside, CA age: 56	Quote from shakti: What an incredibly weak response, lol..... There is a far more appropriate place to post such things chat girl, you folks have the ability to keep out any kind of opposition to your beliefs, yet we leave the door open to everyone.. the least you could do is wipe your damn shoes on the way in. If you cannot comprehend that we are not interested in your preaching and proselytizing, I will have no choice but to block you. Apparently you disagree with me. I'm new, though, so I don't know the climate, yet. By the way, Hi shakti.
4/14/2009 12:01:58 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	^^ Hello to you too : ) No, I do agree.. but there have to be limits.. did you read the Op?
4/14/2009 1:27:58 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
bachelor09 Riverside, CA age: 56	Quote from shakti: ^^ Hello to you too : ) No, I do agree.. but there have to be limits.. did you read the Op? Okay, I'm seeing what's going on now. I took a look at the other thread, too. Wow, that's quite a dilemma. The name of this group is 'Other Religion.' I assume the intention of the name is to really mean 'Other than Christianity.' I'm sure the Christians posting in here realize that, too. So, what would their motive be for posting in a room that isn't meant for them? Consciously, I think a lot of them really feel they are doing 'the will of God.' Some may even feel compulsed to do what the Bible tells them to do- spread the Word and help God save souls from eternal hell. So, their motive may be completely innocent even though their rationality is void of reason. One thing I've come to realize and accept is not to expect rationality out of humans. At the core of every human is irrationality...it's part of our nature. Most religious defenders don't realize how the Bible was compiled. Over 200,000+ documents were sorted through and collected from in order to compile the final body of work known as the Holy Bible. None of these documents were source documents, either. They were all copies of earlier manuscripts. The source documents (author's writings) do not exist anymore. Then, the documents that were chosen from the 200,000+ to go into the Bible were edited many times over by scribes throughout the years. In fact, the Bible is not a historical record of anything. Nor is it divinely inspired? Why would the Holy Ghost need to edit His perfect work anyway? Lastly, the versions of the Bible- Catholic, King James, NIV- edit even further so all that is left is a bundle of yarn with no core. There is more evidence that the historical figure known as Jesus is nothing more than myth. He never existed. Outside of the Bible Jesus is not known in history, and there are plenty of historical documents from his time period. Indoctrination is a very powerful tool of mind manipulation and has been honed by the priestly elite for thousands of years. It takes a person's natural inclinations- questions of life and death and gives the answers to them rather than encourage them to find their own answers. And, if you question the answers that are given by the priest-craft you face the eternal tortuous wrath of an all loving father God. It's really quite sad when you think about it- to not be able to question and think for yourself. It's a type of mental slavery rather than freedom and rational inquiry. So, maybe Christians will learn from us if we can overlook their prosletizing. Then again, maybe they can't. Jesus Vista is a strong Operating System with a lot of applications and security features. I'll have to make a call when I get into the group a little more. [Edited 4/14/2009 1:42:07 AM PST]
4/14/2009 2:25:00 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
avernus Modesto, CA age: 23	I hate it when I see Christians picketing outside of bars, yelling that everyone is going to Hell for their sins. Jesus would have walked in the bar, ordered beers for everyone, and talked with whoever "wanted" to listen. A lot of Christians plague themselves with the "holier than thou" syndrome. It's sad and they are wrong. Jesus never taught that. Jesus taught selflessness. For those with the narrow visualization of Christians as a whole, please rethink your judgment. We have just as many corruptions as any other religion. Catholics consider themselves Christian and they're not. Many of their beliefs directly oppose Jesus' teachings. For example, I consider the Pope to be a dictator along the lines of Hitler. These people give the rest of us a bad name. They make people like you guys hate and repulse us. Please don't consider us as a whole.
4/14/2009 6:05:12 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
wolfyhp Atascadero, CA age: 36 online now!	Quote from avernus: I hate it when I see Christians picketing outside of bars, yelling that everyone is going to Hell for their sins. Jesus would have walked in the bar, ordered beers for everyone, and talked with whoever "wanted" to listen. A lot of Christians plague themselves with the "holier than thou" syndrome. It's sad and they are wrong. Jesus never taught that. Jesus taught selflessness. For those with the narrow visualization of Christians as a whole, please rethink your judgment. We have just as many corruptions as any other religion. Catholics consider themselves Christian and they're not. Many of their beliefs directly oppose Jesus' teachings. For example, I consider the Pope to be a dictator along the lines of Hitler. These people give the rest of us a bad name. They make people like you guys hate and repulse us. Please don't consider us as a whole. Exactly. That is exactly what Yeshua would have done. Thank you for your input that has been so different than many other Christians in this thread. Namaste, Daniel
4/14/2009 6:27:13 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
rebelgal60 Decatur, AL age: 49	I tire of their rhetoric and their belief in a mythical god. But if they want to blather on then hey...i can ignore them. And the whole.."what if you are wrong" emotional manipulation going on is down right desperate and creepy and never never works... Back to my tree hugging- rock worshipping -spell casting- moon ritual dancin
4/15/2009 3:53:48 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
sdcentaur Sioux Falls, SD age: 49	Either close this group to Christians or open the Christian group to us. Obvious bias by the Mods/Admin, this has been brought up before
4/15/2009 5:54:48 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
chat_girl Desoto, TX age: 47	Quote from voevode: If your color sence is off then you are color Blind and can't see the truth.
4/15/2009 6:41:20 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
rebelgal60 Decatur, AL age: 49	Truth? As if christians have the cornerstone on that.. Yall dont even know your TRUE 10 commandments that were originally Carved on the stone by God himself..(just for a moment allowing that it happened) Christianity stole/borrowed/commandeered solstices and rituals from pagans to worship because they cant even come up with an original ritual themselves. Renaming a Pagan Celebration and claiming it is "the reason for the season" is not truth. Is there ANY originality and TRUTH IN Christianity? Take out all the pagan stuff and you have NOTHING. Sheesh... im amazed by the blindess Christians show ALL the time.
4/15/2009 7:18:52 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	^^ As far as I know, the 10 commandments came from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. And I am aware of many other 'overlaps'.. but hey, syncretism happens.. Just to be clear, I didn't start this thread to bash christians. Centaur.. I personally don't want to close the door.. at first I thought it unfair, but now I find it more than a tad ironic. Jesus espoused inclusivity imo.. something their elistist group certainly does not reflect, yet ours does.. It seems to me that we attract two types of christians.. those who don't fit the mainstream and rarely, if ever post over there.. and those who actually believe they can come in and save us satan worshippers, lol... I definately would never want to close the door to the first type.. where else woudl they have to go? And I enjoy much of their input : )
4/15/2009 11:04:37 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
voevode Seattle, WA age: 56	Quote from voevode: Quote from chat_girl: If your color sence is off then you are color Blind and can't see the truth. Surely my little Wolf signature wasn’t the only thing of mine worth quoting? I can assure you that though I asked, “What if...?” my color sense is quite good. But even if if it was off, it would mean only that I couldn’t see the truth that involved those particular colors I was blind to. I could still see in black and white and glean whatever truths could be gained from there. One can certainly enjoy a film when it is in ‘glorious black-and-white.’ And even in a man totally blind, it is known that his other senses will compensate for what he has either lost—or never had in the first place. Still, yours is not a bad reply to one of my points. Now how about the others?
4/16/2009 10:12:38 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
akforrest7 Akron, OH age: 20	Then why would God make it impossible for anyone to see the truth? Would God intentionally send someone here and make it impossible for someone to not escape this "Hell"? That doesn't sound like a loving father to me. And that is the error in this way of thinking. You can only beleive what your mind understands. You can lie to yourself and others, but deep down you can never beleive something that you can't. If the same truth was available to everyone, then there would be no one that didn't agree on it. But for some I guess it just wouldn't be Heaven unless someone else was in Hell, people like to feel exclusive.
4/16/2009 10:59:06 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
single_man_ Beverly Hills, CA age: 46	Then why would God make it impossible for anyone to see the truth? Would God intentionally send someone here and make it impossible for someone to not escape this "Hell"? That doesn't sound like a loving father to me. And that is the error in this way of thinking. You can only beleive what your mind understands. You can lie to yourself and others, but deep down you can never beleive something that you can't. If the same truth was available to everyone, then there would be no one that didn't agree on it. But for some I guess it just wouldn't be Heaven unless someone else was in Hell, people like to feel exclusive. I think one of the biggest misunderstandings is that God is an entity separate from man. If God is an entity, all powerful, all knowing, and not doing anything about all the pain and suffering in the world I seriously question His judgment. We think that God works His will out in mankind's history; as if time has anything to do with it. The whole concept of God in today's civilizations is dowsed in myths. It's time to move on to better understandings of God and philosophy and let the myths die out. [Edited 4/16/2009 11:01:09 PM PST]
4/17/2009 1:48:23 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
avernus Modesto, CA age: 23	Quote from akforrest7: Then why would God make it impossible for anyone to see the truth? Would God intentionally send someone here and make it impossible for someone to not escape this "Hell"? That doesn't sound like a loving father to me. And that is the error in this way of thinking. You can only beleive what your mind understands. You can lie to yourself and others, but deep down you can never beleive something that you can't. If the same truth was available to everyone, then there would be no one that didn't agree on it. But for some I guess it just wouldn't be Heaven unless someone else was in Hell, people like to feel exclusive. Clarifying... Technically, theoretically, Hell may or may not exist yet; as far as I understand it. According to the Bible.. is Satan in Hell? He was banished from Heaven to the Earth, not into Hell. It's in Revelations that Satan is cast into Hell, which hasn't happened yet. So saying people are going to Hell, which may not even exist yet, is an ignorant statement for anyone to make. According to the Bible, if you commit 1 single sin in your lifetime, you are unworthy of Heaven. Jesus did not only die for all those that followed, he died for all those in the past as well. It was a new covenant with humanity. As far as the original topic goes: Yes I believe Christians should be allowed to post here. I also believe you guys should be able to post in the Christian forum as well. Personally it's not that great. Every other topic is titled "pray for me", or discussions about what other Christians in their areas are doing, what happened in church that day.. and so on. Your forum is far more interesting.
4/17/2009 6:02:20 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
alicekathleen Sacramento, CA age: 64	According to the Bible? Which one, which language, who wrote it? And why were they so smart? I prefer Buddhism, where each person decides what "works", meaning, what works to helps us live a life with as few regrets as possible. One co worker told me it was fine to kill animals since the "bible" says man has "dominion" over the earth! The word is "shepherdship", which was translated to "dominion" since shepherdship sounds funny in English, but what a difference in meaning. Now, take all the various translations and tell me how anyone can follow the bible except as some great old time stories, with some beautiful poetry (Song of Songs) and a few, very few, useful ethical concepts thrown in?
4/17/2009 7:13:19 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
wolfyhp Atascadero, CA age: 36 online now!	Quote from avernus: Clarifying... Technically, theoretically, Hell may or may not exist yet; as far as I understand it. According to the Bible.. is Satan in Hell? He was banished from Heaven to the Earth, not into Hell. It's in Revelations that Satan is cast into Hell, which hasn't happened yet. So saying people are going to Hell, which may not even exist yet, is an ignorant statement for anyone to make. According to the Bible, if you commit 1 single sin in your lifetime, you are unworthy of Heaven. Jesus did not only die for all those that followed, he died for all those in the past as well. It was a new covenant with humanity. As far as the original topic goes: Yes I believe Christians should be allowed to post here. I also believe you guys should be able to post in the Christian forum as well. Personally it's not that great. Every other topic is titled "pray for me", or discussions about what other Christians in their areas are doing, what happened in church that day.. and so on. Your forum is far more interesting. No, Satan isn't in Hell. If he's anywhere, he's in Heaven hanging out with God. (Read Job.) He was never an evil being until much later. He was a tempter and a trickster and only took on "devil" proportions during the time the elite Jews (as opposed to the Jews left behind who became the Samaritans) spent in captivity in Babylon and later Persia (who released them.) That's also where angels took a huge turn in definition and became more akin to the angels of Zoroastrianism just as "Satan" became more aligned with Angra Mainyu, the devil of Zoroastrianism. Prior to that, Satan was the enemy of man in that he made sure we were truly good by testing us, but not the enemy of God until much later. He was also definitely NOT the serpent in the garden of Eden, but that's another topic. Yes, many interpretations of the Bible, especially the Christian Bible (as opposed to just the Hebrew Bible or "Old Testament") say that if you commit even one sin you can't get into heaven. I'm going to hold my "tongue" (fingers) on any further comment on that as I might get insulting and so far you seem intelligent. I would rather keep our discussion intellectual and amicable rather than pushing at any potential sore spots. I've already answered a few times as to whether Christians should be allowed to post here. Of course, it's purely academic as Dustin isn't going to make any changes any time soon as we can see. For now, I don't see a problem with it except for when the preaching takes everything over. I also wanted to say, I was lamenting the lack of FACTS coming from most of the Christians posting. I appreciate that you are trying to give us some facts rather than just statements of faith and belief which would be meaningless to anyone not sharing such feelings and beliefs. Namaste, Daniel [Edited 4/17/2009 7:14:38 AM PST]
5/9/2009 7:29:14 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
miss313 Columbus, OH age: 53	as wiccan or pagans we are to show tolerance , or we might find ourselves acting like the ones we are talking about , they act bad they can we booted out
5/9/2009 4:16:06 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Of course I think we should be able to
5/9/2009 9:50:54 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	^^ Okay, so you like having the freedom to do so, yet we don't have the right to stain up your christian group with our non-believing selves, how fair is THAT?
5/10/2009 12:12:50 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	No, they shouldn't. They have a "Christian" group and an "Other Religion" group. We just have an "Other Religion" group. But, being that they are sick people they just can't help but harass NonChristians. Jesus never even existed, Christians! There's no historical evidence of him or any other magic man outside of the bible. And the bible is a carefully crafted book of fairy tales, not history. Nobody here is going to start believing that God loves people and must torture them forever in hell if they don't believe in Jesus. That's nuts. So, go back to Christian chat and stay out of here. [Edited 5/10/2009 12:16:35 AM PST]
5/10/2009 7:29:57 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
sherryx58 Bloomington, IL age: 51	I AGREE!!! Enough of the farce,fairytales,and hype! Those who are bound and determined to believe in a "master creator" Might as well believe in the easter bunny! Enough of the brainwashing!!! [Edited 5/10/2009 7:31:50 AM PST]
5/10/2009 8:51:07 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
wolfyhp Atascadero, CA age: 36 online now!	Quote from sherryx58: I AGREE!!! Enough of the farce,fairytales,and hype! Those who are bound and determined to believe in a "master creator" Might as well believe in the easter bunny! Enough of the brainwashing!!! Hey now, don't question our right to believe in the Easter Bunny! He'll give you no chocolate this year!
5/10/2009 9:13:15 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 67	Quote from maxnok: No, they shouldn't. They have a "Christian" group and an "Other Religion" group. We just have an "Other Religion" group. But, being that they are sick people they just can't help but harass NonChristians. Jesus never even existed, Christians! There's no historical evidence of him or any other magic man outside of the bible. And the bible is a carefully crafted book of fairy tales, not history. Nobody here is going to start believing that God loves people and must torture them forever in hell if they don't believe in Jesus. That's nuts. So, go back to Christian chat and stay out of here. Hey don't have a temper tantrum,... just because you don't like the old Bible! Just because it's inspired and put together by man... don't let that turn you off ...in your personal quest... or posting here. But by the same token don't try to stop ME from doing 'my thing'.... am i a Christian?.... I'd say so,.... though the zombies don't want to hear what i have to say [or cut 'n paste]... on the other group.
5/10/2009 10:32:35 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	How interesting how one man's loud opinion can turn the tide of a thread. Personally I find it fascinating how exclusivity of truth bothers many non-christians, yet many of those same people perpetuate just that in their criticism of christianity. I think there is a word for that and it starts with the letter H. It is also interesting to note... on my my last check, the results of the poll say that most people don't care one way or another. Could have fooled me. [Edited 5/10/2009 10:35:25 AM PST]
5/10/2009 12:40:23 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	Quote from shakti: Personally I find it fascinating how exclusivity of truth bothers many non-christians, yet many of those same people perpetuate just that in their criticism of christianity. I think there is a word for that and it starts with the letter H. Hunh? Please explain before I comment.
5/10/2009 12:54:58 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Well I am not about to quote your huge bolded section preaching your own brand of exclusivity of truth, but that is precisely what it was. "Jesus never existed.. blah blah blah".. this thread wasn't started so that non-believers could come and attack the beliefs of christians. I won't tolerate it from them, nor will I tolerate it from you. I hold no double standard in that regard.
5/10/2009 1:18:25 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	Quotes from shakti: 3-30-09: Makes you wonder why they choose that label then... ? I myself have certain christian leanings, but I will NEVER refer to myself as a christian, never. I would be aligning myself with a paradigm I simply do not agree with. With that being said, I respect those who DO choose the label and attempt to hold their own and add their own alternative version of truth to that paradigm. It's just not my path. 4-10-09: In case you hadn't noticed, what you wish to discuss has NOTHING to do with this thread.. I am not even an american, nor are many who post in here. Ethnocentrism holds precisely zero interest for me. And exclusivity of truth is inappropriate here, this group is inclusive to all views.. those who cannot comprehend that we live in an increasingly pluralistic world and seek to preach as opposed to share will not last here. And just so you know, if you continue to push your beliefs as though they are or should be true for all.. I WILL block you. Good day. 4-11-09: It isn't the 'gospel of the cross' that is offensive or even incompatible in this group.. what is offensive and incompatible is the idea that there is only ONE way to God. This group celebrates many paths to God, and we all enjoy learning from one another. This group is inclusive and open to ALL faiths, including yours. But the moment a person starts claiming that their way is the only way is the moment that it becomes inappropriate. 4-11-09: Therefore it has nothing to do with what you hold as true.. the problem is when your truth attempts to negate the truth of others.. 4-13-09: chat girl: But that's the point...To say you can get to God through any other method is saying Jesus Died for nothing. Because According to scripture the only way to God Is through the shed blood of Jesus... You see scripture as the inerrant word of God. I do not. Which of us is correct? The one with the proof... got any? What it sounds like is there is no absolutes what ever is truth for you is truth...what ever is thruth forsomeone else is their truth....sort of like saying a tomatoe is purple when really it is Red....That is the truth tomatoes are not purple...You can say it all day long but it won't make it fact or truth...They are red (except if they are not completely ripe yet) All I am saying It is ilogical to have no absolutes there are truths that will not change no matter what yours or my truth is Got proof that the tomatoe is red? This is personal, but as a child of about 7, I remember commenting about my sweater being red... my mother not only insisted, she TOLD me it was orange.. but I saw red. I tried to explain my position, that I wasn't trying to be 'defiant' as she always believed, it's just that to me it had a darker tint which warranted it being more of a red than a dark orange. Who cares right? My mom got sooooooo worked up over that that she beat me. I could have said that it was orange to escape it, but that aint what I saw and I did not understand what the problem was. I wasn't even being snotty, just sharing what I percieved... What color was that sweater chat girl? I believe that truth is absolutely absolute.. but all we have to apprehend it with is our own subjective mind.. a bit of a paradox, yes.. but one I am more than comfortable with. If you are not? Feel free to stay in your black and white world. Toodles. 4-13-09: What an incredibly weak response, lol..... There is a far more appropriate place to post such things chat girl, you folks have the ability to keep out any kind of opposition to your beliefs, yet we leave the door open to everyone.. the least you could do is wipe your damn shoes on the way in. If you cannot comprehend that we are not interested in your preaching and proselytizing, I will have no choice but to block you. 4-15-09: ^^ As far as I know, the 10 commandments came from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. And I am aware of many other 'overlaps'.. but hey, syncretism happens.. Just to be clear, I didn't start this thread to bash christians. Centaur.. I personally don't want to close the door.. at first I thought it unfair, but now I find it more than a tad ironic. Jesus espoused inclusivity imo.. something their elistist group certainly does not reflect, yet ours does.. It seems to me that we attract two types of christians.. those who don't fit the mainstream and rarely, if ever post over there.. and those who actually believe they can come in and save us satan worshippers, lol... I definately would never want to close the door to the first type.. where else woudl they have to go? And I enjoy much of their input : ) 5-9-09: ^^ Okay, so you like having the freedom to do so, yet we don't have the right to stain up your christian group with our non-believing selves, how fair is THAT? 5-10-09: Well I am not about to quote your huge bolded section preaching your own brand of exclusivity of truth, but that is precisely what it was. "Jesus never existed.. blah blah blah".. this thread wasn't started so that non-believers could come and attack the beliefs of christians. I won't tolerate it from them, nor will I tolerate it from you. I hold no double standard in that regard. __________________________________________ *Doublespeak (sometimes called doubletalk)*- is language constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often resulting in a communication bypass. Doublespeak may take the form of bald euphemisms (e.g., "downsizing" for layoffs) or deliberate ambiguity. The term doublespeak was coined in the early 1950s. It is often incorrectly attributed to George Orwell and his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. The term does not appear in that novel, although Orwell did coin newspeak, oldspeak, and doublethink, and his novel made fashionable composite nouns with speak as the second element, which were previously unknown in English. Doublespeak may be considered, in Orwell's lexicography, as the vocabulary of Newspeak, words "deliberately constructed for political purposes: words, that is to say, which not only had in every case a political implication, but were intended to impose a desirable mental attitude upon the person using them." The term double talk (with a similar meaning) dates back to at least 1936. [1] EX. guns save lives but guns also take lives. Source: Wikipedia.com ? Do you understand what I'm saying? [Edited 5/10/2009 1:47:39 PM PST]
5/10/2009 2:04:15 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	No, perhaps you could be more direct? I have made it clear that exclusivity of truth is inappropriate in this thread (and imo this entire group) and that bashing of others beliefs will not be tolerated in here, no matter what label it is done under. I don't think I could be any more clear.
5/10/2009 2:29:16 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	So, it's an inclusivity thread of your truth? And anyone that excludes this truth is subject to banishment? In addition, you've been just as nasty towards others beliefs in your comments. It's just that you've done so in a passive-aggressive manner. So, that's what I mean by doublethink/doublespeak. Help me make sense of you, please. _____________________________ So, do you believe that lies exist or is everything true? [Edited 5/10/2009 2:38:38 PM PST]
5/10/2009 2:39:35 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 67	speaking as a Christian.... ...[but more Jesusonian].... yes we have our own group where many do their [Pauline fundimentalist thing] and yes i too was like that... proselytizing because i had more faith in the docturns than in [the loving mercy of God] the adhearence to these [docterns] makes many a caring Christian into an abrasive snot... when one is a welcomed [Visitor] to a group as such a [Christian]would be in the 'Other Religions' group... politnes should reign... rather than beating with scripture/verse... when the Spirit of God lives within speak forth from your own heart[soul] may God's Truth flow through us all! 4
5/10/2009 3:02:41 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	maxnok: So, it's an inclusivity thread of your truth? And anyone that excludes this truth is subject to banishment? No, this thread is open to ALL truths, that is not the issue. The issue is when someone comes along to say that their truth is the ONLY truth.. which attempts to negate that of others. That might even be fine if it were done in a respectful manner, your post is not an example of that. In addition, you've been just as nasty towards others beliefs in your comments. It's just that you've done so in a passive-aggressive manner. I would call it a respectful manner, but you are entitled to your opinion. Also, I didn't call anyone 'nuts' or attempt to say that their entire belief system is false. If you cannot see the difference, then there is little point in discussing any of this with you. If you insist on bashing christians, I will block you, period. Inclusivity to me does not mean tolerance of disrespect. So, do you believe that lies exist or is everything true? I have gone into my views on this at length in the religion forum. I will keep it simple here by saying that to me truth is both relative AND absolute, a paradox I am completely comfortable with. Feel free to express your views, just remember to do so with respect for the fact that others do not see things the same as you.
5/10/2009 3:06:08 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	Quote from shakti: Feel free to express your views, just remember to do so with respect for the fact that others do not see things the same as you. Fair enough.
5/10/2009 3:17:20 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	I will keep the same in mind
5/10/2009 6:42:13 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Quote from shakti: ^^ Okay, so you like having the freedom to do so, yet we don't have the right to stain up your christian group with our non-believing selves, how fair is THAT? I have nothing to do with who can or cannot post in the Christian group. Hey, I hardly EVER post IN the Christian group. I love them all, but they are to cliquish for me. When they did the survey for the other 'religion group', I said anyone should be able to discuss their issues there. But I will say, I find your use of the word 'stain' quite offensive. Because I have not ever made such a 'crude' reference to anyone in here. Thanks Shakti, you make me feel about as welcomed as you claim others make you feel in the christian group
5/10/2009 7:35:45 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
dunrich2 Brantford, ON age: 55 online now!	John F. Kennedy: The wave of the future is not the conquest of the world by a single dogmatic creed but the liberation of the diverse energies of free nations and free men I disagree with boundries when it comes to religion, culture or race. Our strength lies as JFK said, in the liberation of diversity. It is why I do not post in the Christian only forum. But having said that another quote comes to mind : Franklin Thomas: One day our descendants will think it incredible that we paid so much attention to things like the amount of melanin in our skin or the shape of our eyes or our gender instead of the unique identities of each of us as complex human beings. I think he should have added Religion as well, but it gets my point across. To me , I am a guest here, so will not argue my dogma in anothers home.I have visited here a couple of times because something was being discussed that caught my interest. But I tried to constrain my self dierectly to that particualr topic and thank those that answered my questions. I find it sad that we need these divisions , but also understand why they are here. Perhaps one day, Posters here at DH will think it strange that they existed. But for now, the melanin on skin, shape of eyes, gender and yes religion, still calls for walls at times. In the mean time, I enjoy the diversity over at the one for all Religion. Ourself might exasperate me at times, but I wouldnt miss his view for any thing. I do agree though that the rules are unjust. Christians can post here but others can not post there. Shakti, you might be ahead of your time, be proud of that. Thank you.
5/10/2009 9:14:13 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Awww shared, I feel bad now! I know that you enjoy hearing others views and I have not seen you preach exclusivity in here thus far, as I have said before, I am impressed. Not because I think you are incapable, but because I know the views you hold do exclude others truths, yet you try hard to soften that fact. At first I didn't understand the dichotomy, it felt like you were offering blessings right after a hearty slap across the face, but I think I understand where you are coming from a little more now and as I always say, it is the heart of the matter that counts. Sorry you felt unwelcomed shared, that was not my intent.. inappropriate descriptor is all. Hope you accept my apology, my intent is not to alienate anyone : ) Hey Dun, I too long for such a day.. I truly believe that the more people envisioning such a future will create just that, thanks for sharing your views here, and don't stay away because this is 'not your home'.. I hope you know I don't see things that way
5/10/2009 11:03:56 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Thank you Shakti, I turly appreciated this
5/11/2009 9:12:01 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
mr_crowley Aynor, SC age: 41	I don't think christians should even be allowed to post on the bulletin board in their church. People who could believe any portion of that ridiculous fairytale called the bible shouldn't even be allowed out in public. Thank you, drive through.
5/11/2009 10:10:43 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Drive through indeed, anymore bashing of others beliefs and you will be blocked. Perhaps you missed where I said that all throughout this thread??
5/11/2009 10:51:52 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Are you speaking to me Shakti? If so, how did I bash anyone?
5/11/2009 11:01:24 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	No, sharedmercy, I think she's talking to me. Right, shakti?
5/12/2009 2:48:01 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
dunrich2 Brantford, ON age: 55 online now!	No Shared she was referring to crowley/ drive through.
5/12/2009 7:25:10 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 67	she definitely wasn't referring to me.... she never refers to me
5/12/2009 11:10:25 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	4evr6y.. what do you mean? I think you have some intriguing thoughts and have even purchased TUB in part because of you and one other poster, so there : ) No shared, Dunrich is correct. What made you think I was referring to you? I won't allow bashing from anyone on here, you haven't done that, so no worries : ) Aww Max, we already went through all of that, right? [Edited 5/12/2009 11:36:03 AM PST]
5/12/2009 11:53:42 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 67	aww thanks, sometimes seems my [copy'n paste's] become thread stoppers.
5/12/2009 12:25:46 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Your 'copy and pastes'? Meaning what you post from TUB? I like itr, it brings something totally different to the table. You also give your own opinions on the matter.. As far as being a 'thread stopper'? Sometimes I think that is a good thing : )
5/12/2009 1:58:07 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 67	it sure happens over on the Christian group when i post i'm afraid they might try an exorcism [Edited 5/12/2009 2:01:06 PM PST]
5/12/2009 2:14:52 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	I think I would take that as a compliment.. just sayin....
5/12/2009 2:42:25 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
maxnok Cleveland, OH age: 50	Quote from shakti: Aww Max, we already went through all of that, right? Yea, but I just had to ask. You're always threatening to take your love from me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4evr6y, I like the TUB thread. I haven't commented yet because I'm chasing hot women on here, too. You understand I know. [Edited 5/12/2009 2:45:01 PM PST]
5/12/2009 3:04:48 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
woodsmamma Winton, MN age: 56	Quote from 4evr6y: aww thanks, sometimes seems my [copy'n paste's] become thread stoppers. And I was involved in that one too. Makes one paranoid!
5/12/2009 3:35:40 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 67	Quote from maxnok: I like the TUB thread. I haven't commented yet because I'm chasing hot women on here, too. You understand I know. well my young friend you go rite ahead.... i'm probably alot slower than you... thanks for some that still want a slo man But you stay away from woodsmamma she's mine we're gonna git exersised together
5/12/2009 4:56:33 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
woodsmamma Winton, MN age: 56	Quote from 4evr6y: well my young friend you go rite ahead.... i'm probably alot slower than you... thanks for some that still want a slo man But you stay away from woodsmamma she's mine we're gonna git exersised together Gee group excorsism, is that allowed, almost sounds fun!!!
5/12/2009 5:23:36 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 36	Yea, but I just had to ask. You're always threatening to take your love from me. Dear Max.. my love is eternal.. yet conditional.. I am but human after all
5/13/2009 5:30:33 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
woodsmamma Winton, MN age: 56	Because my profile,says not sure regarding religion, I can't post in Christian threads.I love Jesus, his teachings,just not what has become of his message. Now that doesn't make me either or,and quite frankly,it's none of anybody's business. Before I didn't care one way or the other if "Christians" posted here or not.I have found myself not only being persecuted for simply not stating Christian or not, and now I can't post in that thread, but these people can post in here ,where I should be free to state my views and beliefs with others of like mind with out harassment,and being evangelized.I mearly viewed those folks as humorous , but slightly irritating,this puts a different perspective on my vote. So I used to be neutral, now I feel that it's not fair, I should have to put up with that. I feel they do spread dogma and intolerance. I feel all Christians shouldn't have to pay for bad examples, I feel that many Christians don't fit into mainstream christianity, and because I don't fit into the mainstream, I can't post on their group, have to listen to all their crap in my group,and be persecuted. This is the inquisition all over again!!!!!I love Jesus , his pure message, hate what the church , in his name has become, as I am sure he would as well. Kind of like when he hated what was happening in the temple,and he over threw the money changers, you folks think he was this gentle guy all the time, he was a revolutionary,an anarchist who stood up for what was right.
5/13/2009 7:27:10 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
technodude48 Bloomington, IL age: 49	It shouldn't make any diff either way,if you are or aren't,or if you believe or not because this crap which is posted in here is all irrelevant any way to reality. The true reality is that you live to be happy with yourselves,you don't serve some imaginary god who dictates what is right and wrong! A sane person uses common sense in his actions,without letting outside foolish influences like a so-called god to tell him/her what they should do!! Wake up and smell what's real! It's not some fairy tale myth written to mislead all those who are unsure in their life's ambitions. Get a life! Get a job! Then party your a** off and enjoy having what you have,WITHOUT worrying if you properly serve your damn master!!! Get over this crap already!!!
5/16/2009 12:16:57 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
mr_crowley Aynor, SC age: 41	Quote from shakti: Drive through indeed, anymore bashing of others beliefs and you will be blocked. Perhaps you missed where I said that all throughout this thread?? Come on shakti how often have you known me to post in this forum without bashing Block me, curse me, make me watch the billy graham crusade, marathon. Its all meaningless to me. Der mensch ist gott [Edited 5/16/2009 12:19:15 PM PST]
5/21/2009 10:59:05 PM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
nellegirl Oregon, IL age: 24	Lets not go down to their level! We are better than that! Lets prove it! We are not that insecure like them, to which we have to push are beliefs on others just to convince ourselves are way is the only way! We KNOW better! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!! Besides, I still have yet to meet a real christian!
5/22/2009 7:41:27 AM	Should Christians be allowed to post in here?
woodsmamma Winton, MN age: 56	Quote from nellegirl: Lets not go down to their level! We are better than that! Lets prove it! We are not that insecure like them, to which we have to push are beliefs on others just to convince ourselves are way is the only way! We KNOW better! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!! Besides, I still have yet to meet a real christian!