Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any

3/23/2009 2:49:48 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
caribedahlia Lompoc, CA age: 36	This would be a fun one to discuss as paganism has had a great influence on Christianity as well as Judaism. Meet singles in your area here at DateHookup.com, we're 100% free for everything! Join now!
3/23/2009 3:45:49 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
frotificare Syracuse, NY age: 53	Pagan at birth here and then developed into who knows?
3/23/2009 5:52:15 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
tom512 Lebanon, PA age: 53	Quote from caribedahlia: This would be a fun one to discuss as paganism has had a great influence on Christianity as well as Judaism. Pagan influences in Christianity? Where?
3/23/2009 6:09:44 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	Present. I am a Pagan as I stated on another thread I believe there are prejudice people That are Pagan as well as there are ones who are Christian. I probable have a good knowledge of Christianity as well as some knowledge of other religions. Pagan is an umbrella term much like you say, "Protestant". It has a number of denominations/traditions in it. So it is difficult to say on firm belief as there usually is no central authority nor scripture,nor creed which is followed
3/23/2009 6:12:46 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
akforrest7 Akron, OH age: 20	Pagan from whose point of view?
3/23/2009 6:54:50 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
frotificare Syracuse, NY age: 53	spiritwalker69 and welcome to this arena Present. I am a Pagan as I stated on another thread I believe there are prejudice people That are Pagan as well as there are ones who are Christian. I probable have a good knowledge of Christianity as well as some knowledge of other religions. Pagan is an umbrella term much like you say, "Protestant". It has a number of denominations/traditions in it. So it is difficult to say on firm belief as there usually is no central authority nor scripture,nor creed which is followed It is nice to see and meet you I so agree with your truth. There are people from all faiths that are prejudiced. In fact, I believe that all people are prejudiced to some extent. It is an accrued behavior pattern from ones family and environment in which they were nurtured and raised. Peace
3/24/2009 12:13:27 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	Ak, you asked Pagan from whoes point of view. Since I am decended from along line of those who practice what today s knowen as Wicca. Also since I have been iniated into the craft. I blieve that by hiory would make me a Pagan
3/24/2009 12:59:34 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
patripassion Thomson, GA age: 44	Here are some pagan Cult groups that call themselves christian this may help. Catholics, Presbyterian, Calvinist, Methodist, Baptist, Mormons, Christian Science, The Way international, JWs, etc. [Edited 3/24/2009 12:59:58 PM PST]
3/24/2009 2:22:22 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	Gee are we an elitest or what? Your list has members which would disagree with your view because they consider themselves Christian. Remember one thing if it weren't for the Catholic Church there would be no Bible.
3/24/2009 3:03:43 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT age: 60	Nature is my church. that's about it.
3/24/2009 5:21:24 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
acting_out Fort Myers, FL age: 47	scorpio... if i spank the hell out of you, will that send you to heaven?
3/24/2009 6:43:11 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Quote from spiritwalker69: Gee are we an elitest or what? Your list has members which would disagree with your view because they consider themselves Christian. Remember one thing if it weren't for the Catholic Church there would be no Bible. With all due respect, I must disagree with you. God is who inspired and prepared His word, not Catholics. My belief of a Pagan is, anyone whose god is not the God/Jesus of His inspired word. Just my 2 cents
3/24/2009 6:58:25 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
frotificare Syracuse, NY age: 53	With all due respect, I must disagree with you. God is who inspired and prepared His word, not Catholics. My belief of a Pagan is, anyone whose god is not the God/Jesus of His inspired word. These two coins are oxidizing
3/25/2009 8:19:25 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
caribedahlia Lompoc, CA age: 36	Thanks for the replies..............keep on talking.
3/25/2009 9:41:11 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT age: 60	Quote from acting_out: scorpio... if i spank the hell out of you, will that send you to heaven? I don't think it will get me to heaven, but it might get you into hell....
3/25/2009 10:09:46 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
mindya Vancouver, BC age: 57	The catholics boil the hell out of water - that's how they get the holy water.. Ty for letting me derail the thread
3/25/2009 12:39:53 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	Pat: Here are some pagan Cult groups that call themselves christian this may help. Catholics, Presbyterian, Calvinist, Methodist, Baptist, Mormons, Christian Science, The Way international, JWs, etc. I think you forgot 'imo', because that is all this is... But I am curious, could you elaborate on why you believe that? [Edited 3/25/2009 12:40:17 PM PST]
3/25/2009 12:42:50 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
caribedahlia Lompoc, CA age: 36	some could say all religion is a cult since it requires you to have faith instead of logic.
3/25/2009 12:53:29 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
patripassion Thomson, GA age: 44	You are an idiot if you think that catholics were responsible for the bible.Just how stupid are you.The scriptures were written by Hebrews and Jews. Paul wrote most of the scriptures in the new testament before any catholic cult was ever founded.Paul was a Jew Bubba.Where did you get your information from,,Because you were lied to., and thus spreading a lie. The only thing you got right is, I am a eletist, I am one of the chosen few that will make it in. Now if you dont like that ,oh well I will not loose any sleep. Somesone wanted me to elaborat eon my comments about the so called christain cults. All of these cult shave on ething in common, the accepted the pagan and heathen concept of the logos. [Edited 3/25/2009 12:55:28 PM PST]
3/25/2009 1:03:45 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
raventalon Belleville, IL age: 49	The Great Bible was the first "authorized version" issued by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII. In January 1604, King James I of England convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England.
3/25/2009 1:39:18 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
nick19 Clarksville, TN age: 24	Im Pagan and have been one for a number of years
3/25/2009 2:06:33 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	My statement on the Catholic origin of the Bible refers to the Vulgate written by Jerome in the Fourth Century. The Jewish people had two Scriptures the Hebraic Text used in the Temple and the Septugant used by those living in Gentile lands. Th Canon was compiled by the Council of Nice. The Catholic Church is not Paul's. It is The Emperor Constantin and The Council of Nice's' Any way you look at Jerome's Scripture was written in the mid fourth century which predates the King James by a number of years. The King James was the first text to b written in common language. It as preceded by both the Vulgate and the Douay Catholic versions which is where the text was gotten for the King James. No I am not an idiot nor stupid I have made religion a study for most of my almost 70 years. No I am not Catholic either far from it.
3/25/2009 2:28:19 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 55	The Great Bible was the first "authorized version" issued by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII. In January 1604, King James I of England convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England Aye, and James gave orders that they were to look at all % {I think it was} English Versions out at the time. But that they were to particularly keep close to the bishops Bible, favourde by the Church of England. Very little was done in the area of going back to the original Hebrew and Greek, the King James was put together based on other English versiosn, and political motivation, wasparamount. Just as it was when Constatine was invloved many years before.
3/26/2009 1:38:33 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
acting_out Fort Myers, FL age: 47	Quote from caribedahlia: some could say all religion is a cult since it requires you to have faith instead of logic. But don't you have to have faith before you can have logic? You must believe something is logical or you just have blind reason. So by applying the same...logic is a form of cultism. Science is a cult , as is every thing else.... it's just stigmatism to attach it to religion.
3/26/2009 3:49:17 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
bigd9832 Bridgeview, IL age: 57	Quote from raventalon: The Great Bible was the first "authorized version" issued by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII. In January 1604, King James I of England convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England. This is true. But before this 'Great Bible' was produced, Tyndale published what is now called the 'Tavern Bible.' It was he who got the Bible into the hands of the people, and it cost him his life as he was burned at the stake. But the Bible was published and the only was the Church would be able to control it was to produce an 'authorized' version of their own. Here's another interesting part. The new 'authorized' King James version was 85% the same as Tyndale's version. I guess the Church just needed a 15% tweek?
3/26/2009 4:42:27 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	Big your a little off on your dates. While the Tyndale Bible is dated as 1526 It is not the same as the Taverner's Bible which was the same year as the Grate Bible but written by Richard Taverner for a printer in London John Byddell for Thomas Barhlet. It used both the Tyndale and another version knowen as Matthews Bible 1537.
3/26/2009 5:09:33 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	PEOPLE-AGAINST-GOD-AND-NATURE=P.A.G.A.N. Explains why it is considered a "nature religion" hey? Thanks, I needed a good laugh, lol...
3/26/2009 5:22:43 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	Strings: I do not see how this makes Paganism a nature religion if it is against nature Ahhhh, yeah. That was kinda my point. How can a nature religion be against nature? Makes no sense, but then I am not all thyat surprised... it was however good for a chuckle though.
3/26/2009 6:06:56 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	People Against God and Nature. Hum I don't think Pagans are against God or Goddesses we have plenty to go around. There are numerous path eons. So we can't be against God / Goddesses. As for Nature that is our church. Wind and Rain can destroy your sacred book. My sacred book is wind and rain. So I guess we aren't against Nature. Just one final thought It's your hell you burn in it. [Edited 3/26/2009 6:07:31 PM PST]
3/26/2009 6:21:20 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
lordsvalley Hawley, PA age: 49	Paganism focuses on the central idea that forces in nature opperate independantly thus paganism is concieved as polythiesm. Christianity has narrowed the cause of 'all' to three opperatives, father, son, ghost. Hebrews, formerly pagan, had focus given to them by the declaration that 'Adonai Ahud' (One Lord). If time were turned backwards we would return to the primal cause, this cause is not discernable through 'inductive reasoning' and where paganism asigns multiplicity or many causes, this approach results in many obsticales. Through 'deductive reasoning' we learn that 'all come from One, both good and evil are the creation of One.
3/26/2009 6:47:54 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
bigd9832 Bridgeview, IL age: 57	spiritwalker69 said... No I am not an idiot nor stupid I have made religion a study for most of my almost 70 years. I don't mean to insult you, but you will have to prove that here. Just from a casual observation, it seems like you are new to posting on the web. Unlike other places, here, none of that counts for anything. No one here really knows who anyone else is. I could be Billy Graham for all you know. Or I could be a 14 yr old girl pretending to be Billy Graham. Here, it's all about the post. What you say is all that matters. So, if you want people to think you are not stupid, just don't say anything stupid. spiritwalker69 said... The King James was the first text to b written in common language. Actually, that is not true. Tyndale's 'Tavern Bible' preceeded the 'authorized' King James version. He was the first to get the Bible in the hands of the common man. And he paid for that with his life, as he was burned at the stake. Still, you seem to have a grasp for where the Bible comes from. And yet, you use that tired old 'New American Standard' version? I can't imagine why. I use the Ancient Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew texts, which predates all the books published by the printing press. Yes, I have them. So can anyone who wants them. But I also have more accurate English versions than the 'New American Standard' version. spiritwalker69 said... Big your a little off on your dates. Actually, until now, I presented no dates. Wycliffe's Version, 1382. (Before the printing press. ) W. Tyndale, 1525 Matthews Version, 1537, Cranmer's Version, 1540, Still, history is not always correct. You have your story and he has History. But I do consider Tyndale an unsung hero. Whittingham's Version, 1557, has it `For as by Adam all die, even so by Christ shall all be made alive.' He married Calvin's wife's sister. In Queen Elizabeth's reign he became Dean of Durham. His testament, which was based upon Tyndale's, compared with the Great Bible, and largely influenced by Beza's Latin translation (No. 33) was the first portion of Scripture printed in Roman type. taken from UNIVERSALISM REFUTED
3/27/2009 5:54:49 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	So if you don't mean to insult then why use terms like stupid or ignorant. I had a Hebrew also a Greek text at one time. Didn't help I can read neither let alone Koine. What you say abut the web s very true someone can pretend to be whomever they wish. As for me and the web I have been posting on DH for over a year including Other Religions. Someone suggested I give Religion Forum a try so I did. Frankly were I a Christian I would find your comment about tired old New American Standard an insult but I'm not Christian so I figure that everyone has their own favorite translation. The way I feel about it if everyone read and followed their Sacred Scripture it would be a much better world. I note that like me you have some collage so I must assume like me your research has been none academic. Good for you. It is a fascinating field to get involved in.
3/27/2009 10:25:09 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
caribedahlia Lompoc, CA age: 36	Can you prove your god in the sky exists? Quote from acting_out: But don't you have to have faith before you can have logic? You must believe something is logical or you just have blind reason. So by applying the same...logic is a form of cultism. Science is a cult , as is every thing else.... it's just stigmatism to attach it to religion.
3/27/2009 10:31:23 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
serenity0515 Mesquite, TX age: 35	I am Pagan. ~S
3/27/2009 11:59:37 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT age: 60	Nice post Serenity. Blessed Be
3/27/2009 12:01:36 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
serenity0515 Mesquite, TX age: 35	Quote from scorpiomoon: Nice post Serenity. Blessed Be Thanks. Many blessings to you too!!
3/27/2009 12:02:12 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
k_tothe_c Las Vegas, NV age: 40	How much does it pay??
3/27/2009 5:55:54 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
serenity0515 Mesquite, TX age: 35	LOL.... how much does what pay?
3/27/2009 6:17:12 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
bigd9832 Bridgeview, IL age: 57	tom512 said... Pagan influences in Christianity? Where? Well, how about Christmas and Easter for a start? It was Constintine who allowed Christianity in Rome. But first, he wanted the Christians to all get on the same page. That was the Nicean Councile, which produced the Nicean Creed. I'm sure you have said it at church. Even thought it has been changed since it was written in about 350 ad. The people didn't want to give up thier holidays. The Winter Solstis and The Festivale of Istar. So they were Christianized. As the earth does not revolve around the Sun in a circle, but more of an eclipse, so we get cold and warm seasons. The Ancients noticed that the Sun was getting farther and farther away. They thought it would leave us forever and never come back. When it started to return, they celebrated. As we don't know Jesus' real birthday, The Winter Solstis was chosen to represent His birth. Isthar was the godess of fertility. If you think about it, so many people were farmers. A fertile land and livestock meant a good season. Look it up and you will find many things similar to Easter. The eggs. Bunnies. And, of course, the feast. There are many things within religion that pop up over and over. Why should that be so strange? What is important is our Relationship with God, and His Son.
3/28/2009 5:23:09 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT age: 60	Thank you Bigd for your post. Ostara (the Vernal Equinox) is also a time of new growth and life, a time to add potted plants such as new crocuses, daffodils, lilies, and other spring flowers into your daily life. This is the time of year when animals are bringing forth new life too, put a basket of eggs on your table, or figures of new lambs, rabbits, calves, etc. also, a chalice of milk or honey. Milk represents the lactating animals who have just given birth, and honey is long known as a symbol of abundance. Easter Sunday is always celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or after March 21 (the Vernal Equinox) So it's different every year. Much like Thanksgiving is always the last Thursday of the month of Nov.
3/28/2009 6:57:29 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
patripassion Thomson, GA age: 44	From the very beginning so called christainity got paganized. That is all that 99.9%of so called chriatainity is. Christainity for the most part is false because of the false heathen and pagan concept of trinity., just about 1%is still pure as it was during the Apostles. Even then there was the false beliefs. [Edited 3/28/2009 6:59:18 AM PST]
3/28/2009 11:18:25 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
bigd9832 Bridgeview, IL age: 57	spiritwalker69 sais... Frankly were I a Christian I would find your comment about tired old New American Standard an insult If you were truely seeking the Word of God, then instead of being insulted, you might take that comment to heart and look for a more accurate English version. If you truely want to understand the Scriptures, you will need to drop that English version. But then, for many, understading the Scriptures is not the goal. Some collect just enough information in order to fulfill their own agenda. Some use this partial knowledge to try to 'prove' that other's beliefs are 'wrong.' How absurd. How can a belief be wrong? There are only two English versions that I would recomend: The Concordant Literal Young's Literal Anything else would be a waste of time.
3/30/2009 11:14:10 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Patri IMO, this is why Jesus called His own the 'little' flock, because unfortunately, Christianity 'adopted' paganism. Paganism did not 'adopt' Christianity. Just my opinion
3/31/2009 7:30:55 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT age: 60	Quote from sharedmercy: Patri IMO, this is why Jesus called His own the 'little' flock, because unfortunately, Christianity 'adopted' paganism. Paganism did not 'adopt' Christianity. Just my opinion Shared, I'm not understanding why you use the word "unfortunately." Yes, there was a flip side to Paganism, but people were uneducated and quite barbaric in those days, but on the other hand they were very much in tune with nature, and their environment. To me there is a beauty in nature worship, which involves more than meets the eye, and which I couldn't find in any organized religion. Also, there is no patriarchal God we are to worship, with ancient dogma to dictate how to live our lives. It is more of an all emcompassing yin-yang, balance of every living thing, a greater appreciation and respect for life and death.
3/31/2009 7:33:48 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
k_tothe_c Las Vegas, NV age: 40	nope!
3/31/2009 7:41:27 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
serenity0515 Mesquite, TX age: 35	Quote from scorpiomoon: Shared, I'm not understanding why you use the word "unfortunately." Yes, there was a flip side to Paganism, but people were uneducated and quite barbaric in those days, but on the other hand they were very much in tune with nature, and their environment. To me there is a beauty in nature worship, which involves more than meets the eye, and which I couldn't find in any organized religion. Also, there is no patriarchal God we are to worship, with ancient dogma to dictate how to live our lives. It is more of an all emcompassing yin-yang, balance of every living thing, a greater appreciation and respect for life and death. Well put!! Blessing to you in light and love!!
3/31/2009 10:51:18 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Quote from scorpiomoon: Shared, I'm not understanding why you use the word "unfortunately." Yes, there was a flip side to Paganism, but people were uneducated and quite barbaric in those days, but on the other hand they were very much in tune with nature, and their environment. To me there is a beauty in nature worship, which involves more than meets the eye, and which I couldn't find in any organized religion. Also, there is no patriarchal God we are to worship, with ancient dogma to dictate how to live our lives. It is more of an all emcompassing yin-yang, balance of every living thing, a greater appreciation and respect for life and death. Hi moon. In no way do I wish to offend anyone with what I am about to say. It seems that non-believers cannot grasp that when 'true' believers are called by God, we have no desire to 'worship' anything, or anyone else, because He fulfills our every need. We are told NOT to worship anything else, because if we do, satan will use our weaknesses against us and lead us away from our saving grace. Yes, nature is beautiful, it is an important gift from God that supports our lives. According to God's word, it will also be a witness against those who do not believe, for He created it all for us. He died for my sins, He is my pathway to righteousness and goodness. Why would I wish to forfeit this extraordinary blessing. I wasn't always a Sabbath keeper [Christian]; my life was empty. But with Christ I have joy, love, safety [from temptations], patience, and hope. My life is no longer empty. He filled the 'hole' in my life, and has made me 'whole' instead. To you and others, He is an patriarchal God supported by ancient dogma. To me He is my Father whom I love with every part of my being. I have 20 years of seeing both life and death, and most people have NO idea what the physical death can encompass. If my path through death is remotely like some I have seen, I want my Father in my heart to give me strength to endure, and peace to accept it. Knowing that when I sleep in death, He is my Shepherd guarding me until the day I come face to face with Him. I am not condemning anyone elses choices, I am just explaining mine. Thanks for reading this, and I hope this helps you and others to understand I DON'T want to worship any other God. Blessings of goodness and understanding
4/1/2009 9:06:03 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT age: 60	Hi, Thanks Serenity, and Shared. I am not offended by what you posted Shared, infact I agree with you when you say, "I DON'T want to worship any other God." I agree because I don't either. I don't come here to try to convert, or attempt to change anyone's mind, just learn/share with others. Peace
4/1/2009 11:38:55 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
spiritwalker69 Boise, ID age: 70	Frankly , Shared, You are a credit to the name Christian. You don't condemn but you don't deny your faith either wish there were more like you.
4/1/2009 11:52:26 AM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
acting_out Fort Myers, FL age: 47	Quote from caribedahlia: Can you prove your god in the sky exists? Quote from acting_out: But don't you have to have faith before you can have logic? You must believe something is logical or you just have blind reason. So by applying the same...logic is a form of cultism. Science is a cult , as is every thing else.... it's just stigmatism to attach it to religion. Yes, but you'd have to pay for my regression therapy session so i can recount you the events of my stay up there... or i could just tell you in an email... which would you prefer.?
4/3/2009 4:06:23 PM	Paganism-Anyone On Here Know Any
sharedmercy Fort Wayne, IN age: 54	Ty spiritwalker, but I am sure there are many on here who would disagree But I appreciate your kind and encouraging words. To God be the glory, amen. [Edited 4/3/2009 4:07:38 PM PST]