4/17/2009 10:46:48 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

mindya
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(Mat 19:30 KJV) But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

What about those in the middle??

4/18/2009 12:24:40 AMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

lovesgod57
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Waukegan, IL
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They have to take two steps back and stand behind the yellow line.

4/18/2009 7:48:36 AMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

statueman
Riverside, CA
age: 45


Matthew 19:16-30 (New International Version)


16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?

17 Why do you ask me about what is good? Jesus replied. There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.

18 Which ones? the man inquired. Jesus replied, 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,

19 honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'

20 All these I have kept, the young man said. What do I still lack?

21 Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, Who then can be saved?

26 Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

27 Peter answered him, We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?

28 Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.


and again

Luke 13:22-30 (New International Version)

22Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?"

He said to them, 24"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.'
"But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.'

26"Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'

27"But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

28"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."


And again

Matthew 20:1-16 (New International Version)

1"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard. 2He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3"About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5So they went.

"He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing. 6About the eleventh hour he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'

7" 'Because no one has hired us,' they answered.
"He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

8"When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.'

9"The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius. 10So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12'These men who were hired last worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'

13"But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?'

16"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."


So what happened to the ones in the middle? I suppose it's better to be either hot or cold if you claim faith... either you want to do something with your faith or you don't. The ones in the middle are spectators who will claim affiliation... oh my... starting to feel convicted here.

Great thread by the way... now I feel lukewarm...

4/18/2009 8:07:03 AMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

njesushandz
Ripley, MS
age: 33


amen

4/18/2009 9:58:07 AMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

bigd9832
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Luke 13:28 (CLV) "There will be lamentation and gnashing of teeth, whenever you should be seeing Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, yet you cast outside.

Sometimes people can be so cleaver. Saying what they want without actually saying it.

The implication here is, if you do not follow our doctrine, you will go to 'hell.'

Of course the word 'hell' is not used in this verse, it is only implied. Implied, that is, by those who would mis-represent the Scriptures.

But since there is no Hell we need not worry. God does not draw His followers by fear, but by love.

So then, who shall be Saved?

Who shall be Saved?

“For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all” (Romans 11:32).

“Our Savior, God, Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4).

“We rely on the living God, Who is the Savior of all mankind” (1 Timothy 4:10).

Who shall be Justified?

“Through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also ... through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying” (Romans 5:18).

Who shall be Vivified?

“For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (1 Coronthians 15:22).

Who shall be Reconciled to Him?

“Through Him to reconcile all to Him, making peace through the blood of His cross” (Colossians 1:20).

So, tell me, how would you care to limit God's Love? Who would you condem to the firey eternal punishment? Who do you believe will end up in 'hell,' and far from His Love?

4/18/2009 9:58:12 AMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

lovesgod57
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I don't know if this video corresponds with this topic, but somethng compells me to post it. It's secular so many can take it's message to heart.



Watch and learn.

4/18/2009 9:10:14 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 
lees224
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and every body is in the middle..somewhere..or else..

4/18/2009 9:33:03 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

shakti
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To me it is all a matter of perception.. isn't that what the passage highlights?

4/18/2009 10:00:00 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

lovesgod57
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Waukegan, IL
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Quote from mindya:
(Mat 19:30 KJV) But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.


After comparing the passages in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, this is my interpretation.

I'll compare it to a feast. The ones who are first are the members partaking of the feast, the ones who are last are the servants. So as Christ being the one to wash the apostle's feet, so will the prophets (or saints) serve the ones who honor and do service for the Lord at the Great feast.

Anyone concur?

4/21/2009 4:43:57 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

freezinoutside
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If half mattered we sincerely would -- at least we hope.

4/22/2009 11:14:34 AMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

foreveralady
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Tioga, PA
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Yes, it is God's will that all be saved.....but all will not be saved because they have turned their heart and will away from God.----fal

4/26/2009 12:43:24 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

sage_way
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Cottonwood, AZ
age: 47


Not every one can be first or last......get's too crowed otherwise. I am patience, I'll wait my turn thank you very much....less pushing and shoving that way!

4/26/2009 5:03:03 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 

bigd9832
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Bridgeview, IL
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polynomx said...
Do those that accept Christ go to Heaven after they die?
What happens to those that did not accept Christ?


As I have answered these questions many times, I have to ask...

What does this have to do with the first and the last?

Maybe you need to start another topic?

4/26/2009 8:44:52 PMThe first shall be last and the last will be first. 
lees224
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just build it..they will come..