Vaccines as biological weapons? 61

4/28/2009 3:29:19 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
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4/28/2009 3:53:14 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	Rider, and k to c, I used to use Tom's of Maine, but found one I like better. Try to find Jason Powersmile at your local health food outlet. www.jason-natural.com This has no fluoride, no preservatives, no animal by-products, and is NOT tested on animals. It's totally Organic, tastes great, and does a fair job of whitening too. Eagle
4/28/2009 4:09:25 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	Eagle...another question...how long will it be before they come out with a "you just gotta get this vaccine to head off the pandemic" slogan. After reading as much as I have lately on not only toxins in these, but also people stating people have DIED from these vaccines (hmmmm makes you wonder if you really got something to prevent or a high dose of the actual live virus itself?...there is NO FUC*ING WAY I am getting in line for one. I'll take my chances with natural remedies to prevent, build immune system, wash hands frequently, avoid people in public coughing etc... Safer I think... Lady 'rider', There exists the distinct possibility that this "swine" flu currently spreading in a few countries now, has a dual purpose; first to utilize the current stockpiles of Tamiflu vaccine that has been 'waiting' for a purpose, thereby enriching the pharma industry, and secondly; to set the 'mood' for the fear that the Avian Flu could genetically morph into the human genome compatibility stage, and cause widespread panic among populations. A third purpose would be to monitor, and calculate the spread of infection from the release of the virus over large areas, which would strategically facilitate defining localization and time parameters of infection. This would be of great importance to military biological warfare strategists. I'm positive that they are carefully monitoring what is occurring now. In other words, this may be a 'rehearsal' for a future plan, and at the same time, one that is profitable for the pharmaceutical industry. Military aircraft aerosol deployment: In the 1960's through the late '70's, 'dormant' biological agents were spread by aerosol over large populations in several states by the military. These supposedly caused no harm, but were detectable, and established potential tactical dissemination procedures. I'm not talking of "chemtrails" here, but actual bio agents. This is documented by Congressional Records, as well as military documents obtained by FOIA. Google it~ How long? To speculate this would be difficult, and the distinct probability that this "National Medical Emergency" warning status is a test run to determine how well the immunization can be implemented nationally by CDC, FEMA, and DHS. The HSPD-5 is likely going to be the regulation which is followed by all federal, state, and local governments. Homeland Security Presidential Directive 5 was created by GWB and company, and to read it, you would gain some idea of how far reaching it really is. It sounds like a guideline to ensure the safety of Americans, but in fact it establishes total control over all aspects of our lives, from travel to curfews, martial law, etc. It also authorizes use of federal troops (our military) to enforce the directives contained within it's guidelines. See also NSPD-51, also by GWB and company, which is the National Security Presidential Directive-51, which suspends the Constitution, Habeas Corpus, and establishes military control, or Martial Law. The implementation of either, or both of these "Directives" in the event of any national emergency, with the President the sole judge of what constitutes one, is a very real threat to all of our remaining freedoms. It depends upon what degree it is implemented. Read up, get informed, and establish a safety kit for purifying water, breathing (masks), and first aid needs, just as you would for an earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, etc. Time will tell..... Eagle
4/28/2009 7:12:28 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
izzyalone Chicago, IL age: 50	(concerning chem trails and the NYC fly over) – “there will be ‘signs’ in the sky” I can understand why most can’t comprehend what is going on right in front of us. You are BLIND sheep and the only thing you have to judge with are your homemade ‘BS detectors’. Maybe if you asked God to help you understand He would grant you some wisdom. But I doubt many will, because most obviously don’t actually believe. Wisdom comes from God. I guess this explains why so few have any. The chem trails that have weakened our lungs and immune systems will allow the ‘swines’ virus to easily become widespread rapidly, not over night, but in a matter of weeks all major US cities, and in the the world will be locked down in an effort to control it’s spread. You won’t be able to walk out your door without a bio suit in the large metropolitan areas. If you can’t get out then stock up NOW …if you can. The media is reporting that Chicago has no cases yet. BULL F*CKING SHIT. O’Hare is the busiest airport in the WORLD.(there is no possible way that it hasn't 'arrived' in Chicago) If they told us the truth the resulting panic would be unmanageable. Daily’s overseers (illuminati /NWO) are not about to let that happen...yet. Repent, turn to God, for the Kingdom of our Lord is near. [Edited 4/28/2009 7:19:11 AM PST]
4/28/2009 11:16:24 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Ok....If they are putting nasty stuff in our vaccines...so then what are they putting in the pills we sometimes have to take? Anything, or are the pills relatively safe? Inquiring minds want to know.
4/28/2009 2:28:15 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
bluecougareyes Chelan, WA age: 65	Quote from sapphireblue579: I totally agree Two. I've never had a flu shot and never will. I don't understand why the medical community thinks they are so necessary. I mean, have people been dying like flies from the flu like they did in 1918? The OP's statement shows us how vulnerable we are though, as a people. Anything is possible. The 1918 flu took time to spread, there was less people and not much international travel at that time.......thing have changed as you know !! The 1918 flue (for resent research) was gotten from digging up a grave in Alaska a few yars ago taking samples from a body that died of the 1918 flue, using that virus to create a new strain in labs at " Dietrich Air Force Chemical & Biological Laboratories " Medical community, is a form or modern witch doctors, WANT to use new drugs on you, as it's a form of power, (not alowing you to have health by your own means ) wile instead of telling / teaching people to eat health and take care of them selves. then drugs are used. Death from common Asian Flu in the USA is about 40,000 annually, adults & children. ........................................................................... MORE............... Last night listening to ( coast to coast radio) on topic of Flu out brake. With Gusts Alex Jones @ << www.infowars.com >> AND Steve Quayle @ << http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html >> Alex knows of the NWO plans to order relies of a virus for population reduction ( he has been warning people about this for several years now ! ) Steve is one of those guy that has lot of friends in High Gov. & Military places for INFO. He Is a Doctor, not a practicing Med-doc. He knows and follows world wide dizese and sick health outbreaks, situations on honey bees, NWO, history, corruption, spiritual aspects of life, and much more. ........... Steve's warning as of last years. April 2008. " Informing people to prepare for hard time ahead, have good stash of cash on hand IN HAND, good for several months ( if banks close) take care of your/ families health, build UP your immunity system now for future. Be prepared with plenty of food ( several months supplies) water storage ( water filters) necessary Vit-mins, personal medication, medicines, antiseptics, and first aid-kit, alternative ways to stay warm (and lighting) if there are any power outages, know what it's like to survive ( Isolating your self and family) with out needing to go out in public or to town for any reason, isolation for a long periods of time. " Steve's warnings now April 22, 2009 " If Flu come close or within your area, town or city !! Isolate yourselves & family & pets immediately from every one else for your safety, don't wait for even one Hr. Don't wait for MANY PEOPLE in your town or around you to become ill first, before taking action, do not go any where, stay put, stay indoors as much as possible, lock doors. " The Flu virus will pass your area in about 10 to 15 days or so " Wile effecting some in your areas. " " Be prepared: have battery radio for info. & up dates, , (remove people, especially those in schools, public places, and public in general) Be couscous, don't receive visitors at home, NO family or outside family members into your homes, during this time. QUARENTEN ! Tell them to go away, do not open the door, STAY ISOLATED COMPLETELY, if you have alternative place to go (away from town or city) go to that place for a wile ( 10 -15 days) do so immediately with all food & supplies needed ( as stated above) and stay Isolated. " " Stay away from sick people, wear mask's around people and public places, wash hands frequently, Especially wear disposable rubber gloves, before handling mail & $ money, do not rub eyes, or touch mouth & noes, also. Bath daily, allow fresh air / sunshine in home and on body. " Steve and Alex believe it is a ( laboratory) man made flu, as it is a combination of " Avian, Swine, and Human Flu Virus " ( almost very impossible and unnatural, for all three strains, too mutate naturally into one specific strain of 3 different flu virus.) A Mexican nurse, in Monterey, Mex., calling in last night on the C to C radio show, " Saying, things are worse in Mexico, then Mex. Government / news has reports on media to the public... More Steve Quayle articles to inform your self's, before flu possibly spreed becomes more serious if it spreads too fare and too deep in America. Government is down plying this flu to keep people from panic, wile they are silently and quickly preparing for possible pandemic. It could all just burn it self out in several weeks and fad away, or IT could mutate and become stronger......stay informed !! ( but leaving all boarders ( Obama Admin.) open to cross traffic and allowing international air travel : NOT GOOD " ) Topics < http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Global/090423.SR.index.html > ** ORANGE ALERT: To all those who have taken an oath to defend the U.S. against all enemies foreign and domestic - BE ADVISED of the following: < http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Unrest/090422.orange.alert.html > stocking up / taking important, Vit-mins C - A - D - B complex, Garlic, Oregano oil, Plus Oils to Avoid Plague @ : < http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Prep_tips/090427.oils.html < Retired Navy Seal Agrees With Orange Alert** < http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Unrest/090422.Navy.SEAL.agrees.html > . [Edited 4/28/2009 2:38:25 PM PST]
4/28/2009 2:42:39 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
sapphireblue579 Jackson, MI age: 51	1918 Flu Pandemic The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly Influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus.[1] Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920,[2] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 20 to 100 million people were killed worldwide,[3] or the approximate equivalent of one third of the population of Europe,[4][5][6] more than double the number killed in World War I.[7] This extraordinary toll resulted from the extremely high illness rate of up to 50% and the extreme severity of the symptoms, suspected to be caused by cytokine storms. The pandemic is estimated to have affected up to one billion people: half the world's population at the time.[8] Some scholars have theorized that the flu probably originated in the Far East.[9] While historian Alfred Crosby observed that the flu seems to have originated in Kansas, the political scientist Andrew Price-Smith has published data from the Austrian archives suggesting that the influenza had earlier origins, beginning in Austria during the Spring of 1917.[10] Popular writer John Barry echoed Crosby in proposing that Haskell County, Kansas was the location of the first outbreak of flu.[11] In the United States the disease was first observed at Fort Riley, Kansas, United States, on March 4, 1918,[12] and Queens, New York, on March 11, 1918. In August 1918, a more virulent strain appeared simultaneously in Brest, France, in Freetown, Sierra Leone, and in the U.S. at Boston, Massachusetts. The Allies of World War I came to call it the Spanish flu, primarily because the pandemic received greater press attention after it moved from France to Spain in November 1918. Spain was not involved in the war and had not imposed wartime censorship.[13] Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain's extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths. Sound familiar?
4/28/2009 2:58:20 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
bluecougareyes Chelan, WA age: 65	Quote from eagleeyes7: Rider, and k to c, I used to use Tom's of Maine, but found one I like better. Try to find Jason Powersmile at your local health food outlet. www.jason-natural.com This has no fluoride, no preservatives, no animal by-products, and is NOT tested on animals. It's totally Organic, tastes great, and does a fair job of whitening too. Eagle I also tried TOMS of Maine I did not like the taste ( maybe just me) ! so I am now using product named "NATURE'S GATE" Whitening Gel Fluoride free, w/bamboo powder and stevia extract (a natural sweetener)
4/28/2009 3:14:11 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	bluecougareyes, I listened intently to the C2C show myself, and did some additional research into what was being discussed. The probability is high that the information both Steve and Alex put forth is accurate. I have posted this before, but for those who missed the content, here it is again: ?The Pentagon’s alarming project: Avian Flu Biowar Vaccine http://911truth-sherbrooke.org/2009/03/06/the-pentagon%E2%80%99s-alarming-project-avian-fl u-biowar-vaccine/2970_biowar_2_250_x_2401 There is alarming evidence accumulated by serious scientific sources that the US Government is about to or already has ‘weaponized’ Avian Flu. If the reports are accurate, this could unleash a new pandemic on the planet that could be more devastating than the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic which killed an estimated 30 million people worldwide before it eventually died out. Pentagon and NIH experiments with remains in frozen state of the 1918 virus are the height of scientific folly. Is the United States about to unleash a new racially selective pandemic through the process of mandatory vaccination with an alleged vaccine “against” Avian Flu? There is reason to believe that sections of the international pharmaceutical industry cartel are acting in concert with the US Government to develop a genetically modified H5N1 virus substance that could unleash a man-made pandemic, perhaps more deadly than the 1918 ‘Spanish Influenza’ pandemic claiming up to 30 million lives.(1) Rima E. Laibow, MD, head of the Natural Solutions Foundation, a citizen watchdog group monitoring the pharmaceutical industry states, “Our best intelligence estimate is that pandemic Avian Flu has already been created through genetic engineering in the United States, fusing the deadly genome of the 1918 Pandemic, misnamed the ‘Spanish Flu’, with the DNA of the innocuous H5N1 virus in a growth medium of human kidney cells, according to the National Institutes of Health and the vaccine’s manufacturer. Some virologists believe that this would insure that the man-made mutant virus recognizes human cells and knows how to invade them.” If true, as Laibow points out, “A basic virological fact that the public has not been told is that it is impossible to make a vaccine against a virus that does not yet exist. Public relations efforts to the contrary, IF a vaccine is being made against the Avian Flu virus in its pandemic form, that means that the pandemic virus must already exist, period, end of discussion.” The genome of the 1918 pandemic, the so-called “Spanish Flu”, was recently intentionally resurrected by the United States government from a frozen corpse that died of the flu in 1918 in Alaska. Because of that resurrection, both the Avian Flu, and its “vaccine” are now a significant threat to public health. The Spanish Flu, which was not Spanish at all, was created in the US through an early bioweapons program and injected into healthy young men (i.e., ’soldiers’) as the first mandatory vaccination in the military during World War I. The “Spanish Flu”, which originated in Kansas on US Military bases, was one of the deadliest pandemics in modern history. It was also one of the most successful biological weapons ever created, until now. ?Aspartame and Tyson Foods doubts To date, there have only been around 385 human cases of Avian Flu identified worldwide (assuming those identifications are trustworthy, of course), with 243 deaths. To put the absurdity of this effort into perspective, Laibow points out, Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD), which researchers believe is heavily associated with aspartame consumption, is a leading cause of death which, according to the CDC, for example, killed 460,000 Americans in 1999 and the numbers keep rising.(www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5106a3.htm.) But, aspartame is not under criticism. Interesting as a footnote on Aspartame, G.D. Searle, the Chicago drugs company that held the patent on Aspartame was in danger of losing its license from the US Government Food & Drug Administration in the 1980’s until Donald Rumsfeld, out of Government, was named President of Searle. Rumsfeld used his contacts in Washington to get the FDA to approve Aspartame despite known tests showing serious health effects on rats. As I document in detail in my book, Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation, the same Don Rumsfeld went on to become chairman and principal stockholder of a California pharmaceutical company, Gilead Sciences Inc., which developed and patented Tamiflu in 1996, first as a drug for AIDS, later as a vaccine for H5N1 Avian Flu. In 1997 Donald H. Rumsfeld was named Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, where he remained until early 2001 when he became Defense Secretary. As Secretary he refused to sell his stock at the time he came under conflict of interest allegations when he ordered $1 billion worth of Tamiflu be bought to injected into the US military personnel as a “precaution.” It was later proven that Tamiflu was in no antidote for H5N1 and its side effects were sometimes very severe.
4/28/2009 3:29:22 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	Quote from twohawks: Ok....If they are putting nasty stuff in our vaccines...so then what are they putting in the pills we sometimes have to take? Anything, or are the pills relatively safe? Inquiring minds want to know. twohawks, anything that comes from a pharmacuitical company is not good to put in your body. They are trying to remove everyones ability to have access to the naturopathic remedies that can actually help you and get rid of the diseases. Big Pharma is part of the eugenics program to keep you sick in every way possible and cannot actually help you. It is a conspiracy against your very life. None of what big daddy offers you is good for you. They are into poisoning everyone to keep you sickly for a slow death, because they don't like you. They cannot actually help you, they are lying to you in ALL areas of your life and have spent the money to advertise to convince you that what they offer you is good, when it is not.
4/28/2009 4:04:14 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	?Laibow adds, “Given the shockingly obvious lack of any threat from an un-weaponized H5N1 virus, how can we explain the Bush Administration spending billions of dollars preparing each of the 50 States, for what it calls the ‘inevitable Bird Flu pandemic,’ which they say could kill half or more of all Americans and similar numbers of people around the globe?”(4) Ominously, on June 3, Associated Press reported, “Tyson Foods Inc. has begun killing and burying the carcasses of 15,000 hens from a flock that tested positive for exposure to a strain of the bird flu in northwest Arkansas, state officials said Tuesday.” Tyson Foods is the largest industrialized producer of chickens in the world and has been repeatedly under attack for its unsanitary conditions of breeding and slaughtering. In January 2005, a US Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to the US Senate, “Safety in the Meat and Poultry Industry,” concluded that US meat and poultry processing plants had “one of the highest rates of injury and illness of any industry.” They cited exposure to “dangerous chemicals, blood, faecal matter, exacerbated by poor ventilation and often extreme temperatures. The industrialization of chicken-raising and slaughtering in the USA has progressed to the point that by 2003 when the first cases of H5N1 Avian Flu virus were reported from Asia, five giant multinational agribusiness companies dominated the production and processing of chicken meat in the United States. The five companies were Tyson Foods, the largest in the world; Gold Kist Inc; Pilgrim’s Pride; ConAgra Poultry; and Perdue Farms.(5) Most outbreaks of Avian Flu in Asia have been traced back to such mass chicken industrial factory centers.(6) In May this year, The Canadian Press reported from Toronto, “An experiment mating H5N1 avian flu viruses and a strain of human flu in a laboratory produced a surprising number of hybrid viruses that were biologically fit, a new study reveals. And while none of the offspring viruses was as virulent as the original H5N1, about one in five were lethal to mice at low doses, showing they retained at least a portion of the power of their dangerous parent.” (7) The Toronto article went on, “The work suggests that under the right circumstances - and no one is clear what all of those are - the two types of flu viruses could swap genes in a way that might allow the H5N1 virus to acquire the capacity to trigger a pandemic. That process is called reassortment. ‘This study is just showing exactly that: There is a risk this virus can successfully reassort with a human virus,’ said Richard Webby, director of the World Health Organization’s collaborating centre for influenza research at St. Jude Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee.” (8) ?Pentagon Bioweapon research Prof. Mathew Meselson, a professor of molecular biology at Harvard, and well-respected scientist in the area of chemical and biological warfare, confirms that the United States government has extensively researched and developed biological weapons in the past. Meselson described an American facility, north of Terre Haute, Indiana, built in 1944 that would have produced 500,000 four pound anthrax bombs monthly once in full operation. Meselson was part of a team that proved the accidental release of anthrax at a Soviet facility in 1979,? and was a driving force behind popularizing the Chemical Weapons Convention in 1994. ?Since coming in office, the Bush-Cheney Administration has done much to weaken that Chemical Weapons Convention as well as ones on biological weapons. One of George W. Bush’s first acts as President in early 2001 was to oppose a proposed international Biological and Toxic Weapons Protocol, without explanation, leading to the death of the talks. *****more later.... This is "the clue" that most missed, as few keep track of what was done to allow US bio-weaponization to continue under the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rove-Rice administration.
4/28/2009 5:57:12 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Quote from jewelz5: twohawks, anything that comes from a pharmacuitical company is not good to put in your body. They are trying to remove everyones ability to have access to the naturopathic remedies that can actually help you and get rid of the diseases. Big Pharma is part of the eugenics program to keep you sick in every way possible and cannot actually help you. It is a conspiracy against your very life. None of what big daddy offers you is good for you. They are into poisoning everyone to keep you sickly for a slow death, because they don't like you. They cannot actually help you, they are lying to you in ALL areas of your life and have spent the money to advertise to convince you that what they offer you is good, when it is not. Hummm...??? Interesting thoughts. Perhaps you can tell me why it was that 4 years ago I had a minor gum infection and penicillin tablets from a pharmacy cleared it right up in about 5 days. And perhaps you can tell me why it was that after my gall bladder surgery I developed a minor urinary tract infection and the was cleared up with the use of Doxycycline Hyclate. Your conspiracy theorist mumbo jumbo doesn't wash with me jewelz.
4/28/2009 5:59:23 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	as usual thanks for posting Eagle.. and the point is Two....the "chemicals" you put in your body....hmmm wonder why when they advertise a drug there in fine print is all the really ugly stuff that can happen if you take that med? think they just post that just for grins? Doesn't mean it will in fact happen...they just know it is toxic and covering their arses so you can't sue. they still get the money and laugh all the way to the bank. And be a holistic person, you should know better....for shame.... [Edited 4/28/2009 6:03:25 PM PST]
4/28/2009 6:47:41 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Well....In my life I have taken quite a number of prescription drugs and guess what? I am still alive and healthy as a horse! I don't take them unless I have to and I don't know of any homeopathic herbs that will get rid of a gum, or a urinary tract infection. So when you don't have any medications for Plan A (Homeopathic) You go to Plan B (presecrption.)
4/28/2009 7:01:52 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
kosta1234 Montgomery, AL age: 25	My Dad had a cyst on his penis and took olive root. I agree with you when you say that the natural way is the best way to go. Correction it was Olive Leaf Extract....and for the pervs out there my momma told me bout this. [Edited 4/28/2009 7:11:32 PM PST]
4/28/2009 9:20:09 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
sapphireblue579 Jackson, MI age: 51	Quote from twohawks: Well....In my life I have taken quite a number of prescription drugs and guess what? I am still alive and healthy as a horse! I don't take them unless I have to and I don't know of any homeopathic herbs that will get rid of a gum, or a urinary tract infection. So when you don't have any medications for Plan A (Homeopathic) You go to Plan B (presecrption.) Two....when I lived in Germany...the Doctor there gave me Cranberry concentrate tablets to clear up a urinary tract infection I had. I was surprised by that. I expected an antibiotic. Anyways, I was healed in 4 days. So yeah...there are other ways.
4/28/2009 9:46:27 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Oh I know there are other ways to heal medical problems without going to prescription drugs and I firmly support them and so does My personal physician. He supports homeopathic meds. He says they are slower than prescription, but they do work.
4/28/2009 10:01:24 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
virilevirtuoso Eureka, CA age: 38	the title asks an excellent question i think, and i thought i would share an article i found reading up on the subject. seeing the date was chilling. just before the anthrax attack(and 911), remember? and i am sure many would remember the leading contributor of this article, Judith Miller. looking back now, this article gives much perspective. SEP 04, 2001 U.S. Germ Warfare Research Pushes Treaty Limits By THE NEW YORK TIMES This article was reported and written by Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg and William J. Broad. Over the past several years, the United States has embarked on a program of secret research on biological weapons that, some officials say, tests the limits of the global treaty banning such weapons. The 1972 treaty forbids nations from developing or acquiring weapons that spread disease, but it allows work on vaccines and other protective measures. Government officials said the secret research, which mimicked the major steps a state or terrorist would take to create a biological arsenal, was aimed at better understanding the threat. The projects, which have not been previously disclosed, were begun under President Clinton and have been embraced by the Bush administration, which intends to expand them. Earlier this year, administration officials said, the Pentagon drew up plans to engineer genetically a potentially more potent variant of the bacterium that causes anthrax, a deadly disease ideal for germ warfare. The experiment has been devised to assess whether the vaccine now being given to millions of American soldiers is effective against such a superbug, which was first created by Russian scientists. A Bush administration official said the National Security Council is expected to give the final go-ahead later this month. Two other projects completed during the Clinton administration focused on the mechanics of making germ weapons. In a program code-named Clear Vision, the Central Intelligence Agency built and tested a model of a Soviet-designed germ bomb that agency officials feared was being sold on the international market. The C.I.A. device lacked a fuse and other parts that would make it a working bomb, intelligence officials said. At about the same time, Pentagon experts assembled a germ factory in the Nevada desert from commercially available materials. Pentagon officials said the project demonstrated the ease with which a terrorist or rogue nation could build a plant that could produce pounds of the deadly germs. Both the mock bomb and the factory were tested with simulants — benign substances with characteristics similar to the germs used in weapons, officials said. A senior Bush administration official said all the projects were "fully consistent" with the treaty banning biological weapons and were needed to protect Americans against a growing danger. "This administration will pursue defenses against the full spectrum of biological threats," the official said. The treaty, another administration official said, allows the United States to conduct research on both microbes and germ munitions for "protective or defensive purposes." Some Clinton administration officials worried, however, that the project violated the pact. And others expressed concern that the experiments, if disclosed, might be misunderstood as a clandestine effort to resume work on a class of weapons that President Nixon had relinquished in 1969. Simultaneous experiments involving a model of a germ bomb, a factory to make biological agents and the developoment of more potent anthrax, these officials said, would draw vociferous protests from Washington if conducted by a country the United States viewed as suspect. Administration officials said the need to keep such projects secret was a significant reason behind President Bush's recent rejection of a draft agreement to strengthen the germ-weapons treaty, which has been signed by 143 nations. The draft would require those countries to disclose where they are conducting defensive research involving gene-splicing or germs likely to be used in weapons. The sites would then be subject to international inspections. Many national security officials in both the Clinton and Bush administrations opposed the draft, arguing that it would give potential adversaries a road map to what the United States considers its most serious vulnerabilities. Among the facilities likely to be open to inspection under the draft agreement would be the West Jefferson, Ohio, laboratory of the Battelle Memorial Institute, a military contractor that has been selected to create the genetically altered anthrax. Several officials who served in senior posts in the Clinton administration acknowledged that the secretive efforts were so poorly coordinated that even the White House was unaware of their full scope. The Pentagon's project to build a germ factory was not reported to the White House, they said. President Clinton, who developed an intense interest in germ weapons, was never briefed on the programs under way or contemplated, the officials said. A former senior official in the Clinton White House conceded that in retrospect, someone should have been responsible for reviewing the projects to ensure that they were not only effective in defending the United States, but consistent with the nation's arms-control pledges. The C.I.A.'s tests on the bomb model touched off a dispute among government experts after the tests were concluded in 2000, with some officials arguing that they violated the germ treaty's prohibition against developing weapons. Intelligence officials said lawyers at the agency and the White House concluded that the work was defensive, and therefore allowed. But even officials who supported the effort acknowledged that it brought the United States closer to what was forbidden. "It was pressing how far you go before you do something illegal or immoral," recalled one senior official who was briefed on the program. Public disclosure of the research is likely to complicate the position of the United States, which has long been in the forefront of efforts to enforce the ban on germ weapons. The Bush administration's willingness to abandon the 1972 Antiballistic Missile treaty has already drawn criticism around the world. And the administration's stance on the draft agreement for the germ treaty has put Washington at odds with many of its allies, including Japan and Britain.
4/28/2009 10:03:26 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
virilevirtuoso Eureka, CA age: 38	cont... Designing a Delivery System In the mid-1990's, the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies stepped up their search for information about other nations' biological research programs, focusing on the former Soviet Union, Iran, Iraq and Libya, among others. Much of the initial emphasis was on the germs that enemies might use in an attack, officials said. But in 1997, the agency embarked on Clear Vision, which focused on weapons systems that would deliver the germs. Intelligence officials said the project was led by Gene Johnson, a senior C.I.A. scientist who had long worked with some of the world's deadliest viruses. Dr. Johnson was eager to understand the damage that Soviet miniature bombs — bomblets, in military parlance — might inflict. The agency asked its spies to find or buy a Soviet bomblet, which releases germs in a fine mist. That search proved unsuccessful, and the agency approved a proposal to build a replica and study how well it could disperse its lethal cargo. The agency's lawyers concluded that such a project was permitted by the treaty because the intent was defensive. Intelligence officials said the C.I.A. had reports that at least one nation was trying to buy the Soviet- made bomblets. A model was constructed and the agency conducted two sets of tests at Battelle, the military contractor. The experiments measured dissemination characteristics and how the model performed under different atmospheric conditions, intelligence officials said. They emphasized that the device was a "portion" of a bomb that could not have been used as a weapon. The experiments caused concern at the White House, which learned about the project after it was under way. Some aides to President Clinton worried that the benefits did not justify the risks. But a White House lawyer led a joint assessment by several departments that concluded that the program did not violate the treaty, and it went ahead. The questions were debated anew after the project was completed, this time without consensus. A State Department official argued for a strict reading of the treaty: the ban on acquiring or developing "weapons" barred states from building even a partial model of a germ bomb, no matter what the rationale. "A bomb is a bomb is a bomb," another official said at the time. The C.I.A. continued to insist that it had the legal authority to conduct such tests and, intelligence officials said, the agency was prepared to reopen the fight over how to interpret the treaty. But even so, the agency ended the Clear Vision project in the last year of the Clinton administration, intelligence officials said. Bill Harlow, the C.I.A. spokesman, acknowledged that the agency had conducted "laboratory or experimental" work to assess the intelligence it had gathered about biological warfare. "Everything we have done in this respect was entirely appropriate, necessary, consistent with U.S. treaty obligations and was briefed to the National Security Council staff and appropriate Congressional oversight committees," Mr. Harlow said. Breeding More Potent Anthrax In the 1990's, government officials also grew increasingly worried about the possibility that scientists could use the widely available techniques of gene-splicing to create even more deadly weapons. Those concerns deepened in 1995, when Russian scientists disclosed at a scientific conference in Britain that they had implanted genes from Bacillus cereus, an organism that causes food poisoning, into the anthrax microbe. The scientists said later that the experiments were peaceful; the two microbes can be found side-by-side in nature and, the Russians said, they wanted to see what happened if they cross-bred. A published account of the experiment, which appeared in a scientific journal in late 1997, alarmed the Pentagon, which had just decided to require that American soldiers be vaccinated against anthrax. According to the article, the new strain was resistant to Russia's anthrax vaccine, at least in hamsters. American officials tried to obtain a sample from Russia through a scientific exchange program to see whether the Russians had really created such a hybrid. The Americans also wanted to test whether the microbe could defeat the American vaccine, which is different from that used by Russia. Despite repeated promises, the bacteria were never provided. Eventually the C.I.A. drew up plans to replicate the strain, but intelligence officials said the agency hesitated because there was no specific report that an adversary was attempting to turn the superbug into a weapon. This year, officials said, the project was taken over by the Pentagon's intelligence arm, the Defense Intelligence Agency. Pentagon lawyers reviewed the proposal and said it complied with the treaty. Officials said the research would be part of Project Jefferson, yet another government effort to track the dangers posed by germ weapons. A spokesman for Defense Intelligence, Lt. Cmdr. James Brooks, declined comment. Asked about the precautions at Battelle, which is to create the enhanced anthrax, Commander Brooks said security was "entirely suitable for all work already conducted and planned for Project Jefferson."
4/28/2009 10:04:01 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
virilevirtuoso Eureka, CA age: 38	The Question of Secrecy While several officials in both the Clinton and Bush administrations called this and other research long overdue, they expressed concern about the lack of a central system for vetting such proposals. And a former American diplomat questioned the wisdom of keeping them secret. James F. Leonard, head of the delegation that negotiated the germ treaty, said research on microbes or munitions could be justified, depending on the specifics. But he said such experiments should be done openly, exposed to the scrutiny of scientists and the public. Public disclosure, he said, is important evidence that the United States is proceeding with a "clean heart." "It's very important to be open," he said. "If we're not open, who's going to be open?" Mr. Leonard said the fine distinctions drawn by government lawyers were frequently ignored when a secret program was exposed. Then, he said, others offer the harshest possible interpretations — a "vulgarization of what has been done." But he concluded that the secret germ research, as described to him, was "foolish, but not illegal." Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
4/29/2009 8:51:13 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
bubba19682007 Leadville, CO age: 41	Virle if the public had a clue of all that they are playing with they would shut it down immediately. Also they wouldn't be able to use them on whoever they wanted whenever they wanted. They couldn't create a crisis to exploit to further their agenda. ARC
4/29/2009 7:03:51 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
bubba19682007 Leadville, CO age: 41	Bioengineered Diseases AIDS, Ebola, Gulf War Illness (GWI), and many other "new" diseases were intentionally bioengineered in laboratories that are mostly found in the United States and include the Army's secretive facilities at Ft. Detrick Maryland (2.). Drs. Nancy and Garth Nicholson have done a great deal of research and investigation into the cause and treatment of Gulf War Illness, since they and their daughter (who was a helicopter flight nurse in the 1991 Gulf War) ALL came down with GWI. In 1996, the Nichols published a paper which states their deep suspicions that GWI is due to bioengineered pathogens and that a hidden population control agenda appears to be in place. Some bioengineered pathogens were designed to target certain ethnic groups for elimination. These groups likely include blacks, hispanics, Black Africans, Native Americans, and homosexuals. The preferred Iluminati method to introduce disease is via vaccinations. Dr. Len Horowitz firmly established in his 1995 book, Emerging Viruses, that the HIV virus which causes AIDS was introduced and spread throughout the majority of black populations in Africa via the World Health Organization (WHO) during their mandatory smallpox vaccine campaigns of 1976-1980. The pathogens which produced Gulf War Illness were introduced to a limited number of Gulf War troops via "special" vaccinations (not recorded on the troop's official vaccination records) for Anthrax and other supposed dangers posed by Saddam Hussein. It was a CIA test run to see how many Gulf troops would succumb to the disease and how quickly they might die off. The results have been somewhat disappointing for the CIA/Illuminati planners. They thought their new little bugs would wipe out a lot more people, a lot faster than it has. Eventually, the US military has to be eliminated because they are seen as a threat by Illuminati planners when they kick in their plans to dissolve the United States and incorporate the former United States into the New, 10 Region States of America which will include Canada and Mexico. Retired Army flight nurse Joyce Riley presented damning Department of Defense classified "Secret"documentation to an audience at the Granada Forum in Tarzana, CA on July 1, 1999 which supported the contention that the military intentionally innoculated Gulf War troops with the pathogens that eventually caused Gulf War Illness as part of an insideous program directed by the CIA called MK Ultra. Domestically, the strategy is to make the public believe that bio attacks by foreign terrorists (like Osama bin Laden-who seems to be the government's latest incarnation of Hitler; he having replaced former title holders like Kadaffi, Hussein, and Milosevic for the honor) is inevitable and when it happens the government will say that they have tried to warn us all along. A similar tactic is being used by the government to accilimate the public to the notion that these new, bugs are showing up everywhere-birds in New York, wild deer and antelope in national parks, etc. and that they are being spread by international travel, etc. (same set of lies they used when AIDS started showing up in 1983-85). Starting in December of 1997, this administration of Illuminati puppets have been seeding stories into print and electronic outlets about the "growing fear" of Anthrax attack and the need to "protect" the troops. When it comes to the public, however, former CIA director John Deutch told CNN in July of '99 that the government wasn't prepared for that task, so further preparations need to be taken. I guess we're suppose to believe that the military's staging of mock battles in US cities is also part of the government's "protection" plans for us against those nasty foreign terrorists. ARC
4/30/2009 3:33:20 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	mentions vaccines causes as they are experimental in nature... plus interview with someone in Mexico on Swine flu... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Ux-okjjR4
5/1/2009 5:46:40 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	Doctors Reveal All / "Medical Quotes" "The only safe vaccine is one that is never used." Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health "There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are outside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin "Time was when ovaries were removed by the peck of all sorts of nervous disturbances which had no more to do with the condition of the ovaries than with the changes of the moon... But these organs are still subjected to certain operative procedures for pathological conditions which exist only in the mind of the operator." Dr. Barnesby "The uterus is often extirpated (removed) for no apparent reason except the undying fondness of some men for notoriety or money." Ibid "Prostatectomy it seems is another fad. Let us hope that the interest shown in the prostate may result in giving a much needed rest to the appendix and the kidney." Ibid "Disease is cured by the body itself, not by doctors or remedies." John Harvey Kellogg, M.D. "The DEATH RATE from smallpox was actually higher among those who had been vaccinated." Dr. Viera Scheibner, Australia "It took over three years of research before we looked at each other and said 'Vaccines are killing babies'." Dr Viera Scheibner "It is a well documented fact that the incidence and mortality from infectious diseases fell by 90% well before any vaccine was even introduced... So [the U.S.] mandated vaccination and it resulted in a three-fold increase in whooping cough..." Dr Viera Scheibner "This is not a rare occurance. Epidemics in fully vaccinated populations are a rule rather than an exception..." Dr Viera Scheibner "Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are not charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician) "We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till they believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark) "...So it was obvious that I, and every other doctor for that matter, had been grossly misled." Dr Archie Kalokerinos "...It was clearly shown that the only people who got smallpox TWICE were the vaccinated... You can be LOADED with antibodies and still get, even DIE from the disease..." Dr Archie Kalokerinos "When the AIDS epidemic started... antibodies, instead of meaning protection, meant that you were doomed. So this concept of antibodies that we were taught is wrong..." Dr Archie Kalokerinos "Our use of vaccines is not based on good science." Dr Archie Kalokerinos "Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce disease." Dr. R.T. Thrall "Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the body..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair "Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can create, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler "...[my daughter's] symptoms were intensifying after each vaccine... So I wrote to the governments and got figures..." "I realised there was a lot of information that we were being told... which wasn't true..." Dr Isaac Golden "Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense." Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh) "Babies are injected with bits of animal, bacteria, viral DNA. They can be incorporated into the human genome..." Dr Peter Baratosy "Why is it that only since the 40's have autism and brain damage come about? Because this was when immunization was introduced to a large extent..." Dr Peter Baratosy "Vaccines are a billion dollar industry, and there are at least a billion good reasons there why it's continued." Dr Peter Baratosy "Nature is the curer of disease." Hippocrates, (the father of medicine) "Measles had been dying out in Europe, then they started vaccination and it rose again, and the thing that had cured measles was better nutrition programs..." Independant Nurse Practitioner, LISTEN System Practitioner: Pauline Rose "I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." Dr Mark Donohoe "This concept that vaccinated children are some kind of typhoid Mary is just rubbish. We now have a sicker group of children in the community." Dr Mark Donohoe "It may be that you only get one chance to make one big mistake... because of the number of people vaccinated if you introduce a pathogen... in a route that the body does not have a protection against." Dr Mark Donohoe "There are some doctors who disparagingly say 'There are some parents who think that just having a healthy child is good enough'. Well the truth is it IS good enough!" Dr Mark Donohoe "In general, civilization affords chances of misuse of our digestive organs, and it is this difference between natural and civilized living that causes all ill health. In a word these diseases are primarily related to what we call Constipation, the Universal Malady of Modern Times." Dr. Paul M. Koonin.D.D.Sc "The coincident abuse of irritant purgative drugs is an additional factor of considerable importance to the cause of colitis, rectal troubles, and ailments of the digestive tract which cause cancer." Sir Arbuthnot Lane, Bart., M.D., F.R.S.
5/1/2009 5:50:09 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	cont.... "They say openly in the [medical] legal system that if you advise against vaccination the A.M.A. will push to deregister." Medical Doctor: Dr Robyn Cosford "These are symptoms that if they were seen in a child who had not just been vaccinated, all us doctors would be a little concerned that this child perhaps had a type of viral meningitis. We wouldn't just sit back and say 'That's fine. Take some Panadol and it will go away,' " Medical Doctor: Dr Robyn Cosford "He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own medicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University "An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of trash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D., before the Medical Association, June, 1920 "The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down the throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S. "We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it is pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it? Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its well heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professing to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretense." Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc. "Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXIS CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefellar Institute.) "Fluorides are general protoplasmic poisons, probably because of their capacity to modify the metabolism of cells by changing the permeability of the cell membrane and by inhibiting certain enzyme systems. The exact mechanism of such actions is obscure." Journal of the American Medical Association, Sept 18, 1943, Editorial. "The plain fact that fluorine is an insidious poison, harmful, toxic and cumulative in its effects, even when ingested in minimal amounts, will remain unchanged no matter how many times it will be repeated in print that fluoridation of the water supply is 'safe'." Ludwig Gross, M.D., former Chief of Veterans Administration Cancer Research, Bronx, NY. "A patient cured, is a customer lost." Unknown "A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon magazine "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." Prince Philip of Great Britain, leader of World Wildlife Fund "I have thought many times of all of the insane things we have advocated in medicine, that is one of the most insane - to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox." USA 1937, Dr. William Hay in his address to the Medical Freedom Society on the Lemke bill to abolish compulsory vaccination "Vaccination is a monstrosity, a misbegotten offspring of error and ignorance; it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine.... Believe not in vaccination, it is a world wide delusion, an unscientific practice, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end." Charles Rauta, Professor of Hygiene and Material Medical in the University of Perguia, New York Journal of Medicine in July 1899 "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself." Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization advisory panel on viruses. "It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection in Britain." The British medical Journal in January 1976 "I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used from smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as that from AIDS (HIV)." Doctor Robert Gallo a well known AIDS researcher "When the link between unsafe mercury laden vaccine and autism, ADHA, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self inflicted and well deserved black eye. Then will come the billion dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families. I can't wait". Dr. Rimland MD "After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31,000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox. "Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing the vital power and diminishing the natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated" J.W. Hodge MD in his book "The Vaccination Superstition" "The United States purposefully and intentionally, complemented the "smallpox" vaccine that went to Africa and the "Hepatitis B" vaccine with the HIV virus and that this latter was then given to homosexuals in the United States recruited for that purpose." Mr. Graves is a civil rights lawyer and decorated naval veteran. "One must take draconian measures of demographic reduction against the will of the populations. Reducing the birth rate has proved to be impossible or insufficient. One must therefore increase the mortality rate. How? By natural means. Famine and sickness" Robert McNamara
5/1/2009 6:47:50 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	What will it get you? Vaccinated with a Weaponized Vaccine. I have the reports of several Mexican doctors who tell us that their colleagues were vaccinated and died. Vaccinated with what, you may ask? Now that is a really good question. Remembering that the CDC claims that it already has a “seed stock” from this virus which first appeared, they say, on April 14 in Mexico, that is pretty good work. My research says that it takes quite a lot longer to make the seed stock, the purified and characterized virus, from which vaccines can be made. And then it takes an absolute minimum of 4 months, if you are favored by the vaccine-making gods, to get yourself a vaccine. Now, that vaccine may or may not provide any ‘immunity’ against the virus or other organism you are hoping it will protect you from. Again, according to my research, there is literally NO disinterested evidence to suggest that vaccines provide any sort of protection from any sort of disease (I know, this is heresy to the vaccine priests and their followers - sorry, I am compelled to speak the truth as real science tells us). We do know, however, that vaccination damages the immune system in a rather horrific number of ways. Despite the ‘white wash’ and fol-de-roll, that is simply the science of the matter. So now we have a new virus, clearly man-made, against which doctors in Mexico are being vaccinated within less than 2 weeks of its being discovered. And they are dying, according to our sources. What does that tell us? To my mind, it tells us that the entire purpose of this exercise is two fold: (1) to get those vaccines into your body and (2) to tie down global control of the planet. There is no way whatsoever that a vaccine, which is specific to a particular organism, can be effective, to the extent that it is ever effective, against another organism. NONE. Even the CDC admitted earlier today that existing flu vaccine supplies were not “effective” against this Swine Flu (according to CNN). But, what will the vaccines do? Consider what happened in January when Baxter Pharmaceuticals “accidentally” contaminated shipments of seasonal flu vaccines to 18 countries with live Avian Flu virus. If that “mistake” (how did that live virus get into the very secure vaccine factory?) had not been discovered, there would already be an Avian Flu pandemic… so now, that weaponization having failed, we get the Swine Flu “incident…” For more details about the January incident, see: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2220
5/1/2009 6:54:31 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
in_doubtalishis Beaumont, CA age: 34	Thanks for keeping this topic alive. It seems many people still dont know our gov is killing us with things they force us to take that they say will keep us safe. Yeah right Seriously I wish people would wake up and see how our government forces our death upon is.
5/1/2009 6:59:17 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
akforrest7 Akron, OH age: 20	Well If I was "evil" and bent on world domination, this would be one phase of the plan, make the disease that a lot of the less concerned will catch, and for the more concerned people have a vaccine that would do the same. The problem is though that it must be done in a short time period. The flu is a good idea as a strain to use because many don't understand just how bad it can get, untill it is too late.
5/1/2009 7:28:30 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	In doubt...you are right on that....and scary crap out there with evil intentions backing it...
5/2/2009 2:39:33 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	"A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon magazine "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." Prince Philip of Great Britain, leader of World Wildlife Fund "I have thought many times of all of the insane things we have advocated in medicine, that is one of the most insane - to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox." USA 1937, Dr. William Hay in his address to the Medical Freedom Society on the Lemke bill to abolish compulsory vaccination "Vaccination is a monstrosity, a misbegotten offspring of error and ignorance; it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine.... Believe not in vaccination, it is a world wide delusion, an unscientific practice, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end." Charles Rauta, Professor of Hygiene and Material Medical in the University of Perguia, New York Journal of Medicine in July 1899 "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself." Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization advisory panel on viruses. "It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection in Britain." The British medical Journal in January 1976 "I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used from smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as that from AIDS (HIV)." Doctor Robert Gallo a well known AIDS researcher "After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31,000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox. "Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing the vital power and diminishing the natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated" J.W. Hodge MD in his book "The Vaccination Superstition" "The United States purposefully and intentionally, complemented the "smallpox" vaccine that went to Africa and the "Hepatitis B" vaccine with the HIV virus and that this latter was then given to homosexuals in the United States recruited for that purpose." Mr. Graves is a civil rights lawyer and decorated naval veteran. "One must take draconian measures of demographic reduction against the will of the populations. Reducing the birth rate has proved to be impossible or insufficient. One must therefore increase the mortality rate. How? By natural means. Famine and sickness" Robert McNamara
5/2/2009 2:40:59 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
k_tothe_c Las Vegas, NV age: 40	Quote from in_doubtalishis: Thanks for keeping this topic alive. It seems many people still dont know our gov is killing us with things they force us to take that they say will keep us safe. Yeah right Seriously I wish people would wake up and see how our government forces our death upon is. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
5/2/2009 8:03:32 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	Bio weapon is bad...but now vaccines that CAUSE SPONTANEOUS ABORTIONS!!!!????? Said it before VACCINES = BAD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSX3Gokgrkw
5/2/2009 8:11:24 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
wvdad3 Bunker Hill, WV age: 41	Quote from in_doubtalishis: Thanks for keeping this topic alive. It seems many people still dont know our gov is killing us with things they force us to take that they say will keep us safe. Yeah right Seriously I wish people would wake up and see how our government forces our death upon is. no one forces anyone to take anything,it is up to the sheeple to die for a lie.
5/2/2009 9:21:24 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	That is right wvdad..you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
5/2/2009 9:32:40 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
lady_bug1952 Rural Retreat, VA age: 57	Here are the true ingredients that are in most vaccines. Including the flu. Would you knowingly put these things in your body if you knew this is what is in most vaccines? I sure wouldn't. Vaccine Ingredients - Aluminum (Associated with Alzheimer's disease and seizures; cancer-causing in laboratory mice. - Beta-propiolactone (Known cancer-causing agent; Suspected gastrointestinal, liver respiratory, skin and sense organ poison) - Antifreeze (Ethylene glycol; Toxic to all cells and capable of disabling the immune system's primary response mechanism) - Gelatin (produced from pieces of calf and cattle skins, de-mineralized cattle bone and pork skin; allergic reactions reported) - Glutaraldehyde (Poisonous if ingested; Causes birth defects in laboratory animals) - Human and Animal Cells (Human cells from aborted fetal tissue and albumin, blood from pigs, sheep and horses, rabbit brain, dog and monkey kidneys, cow hearts and calf serum, chick embryos, chicken and duck eggs) - Latex Rubber (Can cause life-threatening allergic reactions) - Phenol/Phenoxyethanol (Carbolic acid; Used as a disinfectant) - Formaldehyde (Embalming fluid (Formalin); Poisonous if ingested; Known cancer-causing agent; Linked to leukemia, brain, colon and lymphatic cancer) - Mercury (Thimerisol; One of the most poisonous substances known; Minute amounts can cause nerve damage; Linked to Autism) - Micro-organisms (Live and killed viri and bacteria or their toxins) - MSG (Monosodium Glutamate; A neurotoxin; Being studied for mutagenic, teratogenic and reproductive effects) - Neomycin and Streptomycin (Antibiotics; Allergic reactions reported) - Polysorbate 80 (Known to cause cancer in animals)
5/2/2009 2:23:00 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	XLNT information Ladybug, and I also wish to keep this topic current, as so many are in the dark on what our "government" is doing to our health. I've never had a flu vaccination, and never will, as I have known about these ingredients for many years now. The only inoculations that I've had were those I was forced to take in Marine Corps Boot Camp! I'm sure that those have had a deleterious effect on my health, but I've done all humanly possible to enhance my health through a Vegetarian (modified-some fish only)eating regimen, and plenty of carefully researched supplements with no additives. Just the known pesticides and chemicals in the "modern diet" take over 50 years off of the potential lifespan of 120+ years our bodies were "designed" to live. Air and water pollution, food additives, colorings, preservatives, herbicides, and animal hormones, and "enhancements" fed them, account for most of the degenerative diseases we suffer in our lifespan. We ARE what we eat! Eagle
5/2/2009 3:10:08 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	My most favorite line from any Science Fiction Movie was the one that Charlton Heston said right at the end of Soylent Green. "WE'RE FOOD!"
5/2/2009 4:51:03 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
barbaque Marble Falls, TX age: 60	I have gotten a flu shot for the last ten yrs at the VA I have never had the flu or felt any ill affects from them .the exact same vaccine is used for avian ,bird and swine flu,if you are in an area that it is prevalient it would be wise to get the shot.especially if you are an at risk person, diabetic,heart patient ,aidsor hiv pos,cancer patient or have had pnemonia .I am not a Dr. nor do I play one on TV THESE warnings are posted at the VA.Besides if you get the flu because YOU did'nt get the shot who are you going to blame Obama?
5/2/2009 5:26:02 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	Quote from barbaque: I have gotten a flu shot for the last ten yrs at the VA I have never had the flu or felt any ill affects from them .the exact same vaccine is used for avian ,bird and swine flu,if you are in an area that it is prevalient it would be wise to get the shot.especially if you are an at risk person, diabetic,heart patient ,aidsor hiv pos,cancer patient or have had pnemonia .I am not a Dr. nor do I play one on TV THESE warnings are posted at the VA.Besides if you get the flu because YOU did'nt get the shot who are you going to blame Obama? barbaque, you refuse to read the material to educate yourself and are spouting off illuminati disinformation to keep everyone sickly in flu like symtoms. You are a walking chemical soup company full of chemical toxins and mercury poisoning who is ready to disintegrate. No one should be getting ANY vaccinations period. Stop trying to be an agent for their eugenics program to kill everyone off in a slow death. You have no idea what in the hell you are talking about because you have spent all of your lonely time at family barbaques not paying attention to the real issues.
5/2/2009 6:02:55 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	Jewelz, barbeque is just that, "barbequed" mentally, and his trusting the VA after all the expose's of how they use our Veterans for guinea pigs, is a testimony to the brainwashed mentality of the 'herd'! What he doesn't know has already diminished his ability to make sound judgments on the state of his own health, and he will likely not even see 70 years in his lifespan! The VA has been revealed to use our Veterans for experiments in vaccines for decades, and to be ignorant of these well documented facts is further proof of how their effects have denigrated the ability to reason intelligently! The VA has an agenda to monitor the health and lifespan of all who sign up to this carefully controlled system. To expect them to actually "cure" a Veteran of the effects of exposure to any toxic chemicals or radiation is ludicrous! Google the Tuskagee Airmen syphilis experiment to get an idea of their agenda. Gulf-War Syndrome is a patented disease, by the pathologists working for the Pentagon. Go to: http://www.gulfwarvets.com for some government documented facts that few bother to access. Just review the many FOIA documents that are available on this site, and any imbecile would be educated! That is, unless he is a government shill! R.I.P. barbeque, as you will reap the folly of your own illogical mindset! Eagle
5/2/2009 6:06:07 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
14u2cee Pageton, WV age: 35	it is sad to see the big bad wolf tricking red riding hood.
5/3/2009 4:17:55 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	this one will make you sick... literally... HPV Bomb: HPV Virus Does NOT Cause Cancer, HPV Vaccine Does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je7CLxByApE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnTvAneWBZs
5/3/2009 4:35:21 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
barbaque Marble Falls, TX age: 60	Sorry boys I'm in good health and enjoying life too bad your not maybe if you lay off the weed and booze you'd feel better .By the way my dad is also in good health at 93 yrs of age still driving and attending church regularly and also enjoying life.Unfortunately my mother passed away last year in jan at 81 yrs of age ihave several other family members in their ninties and eighties .O f course several of us are Masons so of course as you state are part of the illuminatti we are immune to all the poisons and get our antivenom shots every yr.so why don't you all just give it up now and send us all your money and start showing up for work on time before we really get upset with you behavior and speed things up to hasten your demise.
5/3/2009 4:40:53 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	Baxter... Used Dangerous Ingredients In Vaccines To Increase Profits! Submitted by SadInAmerica on Fri, 05/01/2009 - 10:38am. A scandal dating from January 2008, that is continuing to unfold, raises more disturbing questions over the safety of U.S. pharmaceutical company Baxter International's vaccines. Last year Baxter recalled almost all of its injections of the blood thinning heparin drug in the US after some patients experienced extreme - and in some cases fatal - allergic reactions, after being administered the products. There were similar recalls by other manufacturers of Chinese-sourced heparin in Denmark, Italy, France Germany and Japan, but initial investigations found that only Baxter's heparin vaccines were tainted. The FDA has accused two Chinese manufacturers of being responsible for the production and shipment of the tainted vaccines, suggesting that a cheaper synthetic heparin mimic, subsequently identified as over-sulfated chondroitin sulfate (OSCS), was used to decrease costs. However, in January 2009 a new lawsuit was filed specifically against Baxter for it's role in the scandal. The allegation is that the pharmaceutical giant purposefully altered an ingredient in heparin that flowed through heparin syringes to patients, resulting in pain and suffering, and sometimes death, to those affected, reported legal website Lawyers and Settlements Somewhat ironically, the natural ingredient in heparin that was substituted in order to cut costs was a substance extracted from cooked swine intestines. The lawsuit notes that OSCS is not found in nature, and is not approved in the United States. It accuses Baxter of using a more dangerous ingredient to "reap greater profits as a result of utilizing cheap component parts." As we reported earlier this week, Baxter has been chosen by the WHO to head up efforts to produce a vaccine for the Mexican swine flu that is spreading throughout the U.S. and Europe. The decision was made despite further revelations last month that vaccines contaminated with deadly live H5N1 avian flu virus were recently distributed to 18 countries by a lab at an Austrian branch of Baxter. Initially, the company attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident. However, as we have highlighted, the probability of mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible. Steve Watson - April 30, 2009 - source InfoWars
5/3/2009 5:10:51 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	Swine Flu Vaccine The story goes deeper into crime. Remember in 1976, the swine flu vaccine killed 2,300 people in 2 weeks after the government paid billions for the "free"-to-public vaccine? The vaccine was pulled and is still in the vaults. Virus are not alive; they have no nucleus, respiratory or digestive systems. Virus are protein wastes in solvent solutions. They are as contagious as Tide soap. It is impossible for one animal tissue in solvent solution to appear in another animal because those tissue are not part of another animals cellular structures. Have they been distributing the old swine flu vaccine as other medication in pockets in Mexico because they know it causes swine flu residues in people. The stories about it appearing in other countries are fictitious stories because I have not been able to get any laboratory confirmation. Were those stories planted by US government and the pharmaceutical house that vaults the vaccine? Do the laboratory and government want to resell the vaccine and get rid of it for profit. The government is still paying for it to be vaulted and that is very expensive. Why didn't they dump it? For the same reason they did not dump AZT when it was discovered by independent observers in 1969 that AZT was too toxic for chemotherapy? But when the government created the AIDS epidemic by contaminating Hepatitis B Vaccines and, in Africa the Smallpox Vaccines, they brought AZT out of the vaults and claimed it was good to treat AIDS. They treated AIDS patients with it and it killed most of them and they made a big profit as well as taking over 27 African countries resources. Research the work of Dr. Leonard Horowitz and read the book Bio-Attack Alert. With the swine flu, they are creating an imaginary "pandemic" and viola, people will flock to take the swine flu vaccine. With the Geneva Convention articles, they cannot force vaccine on anyone but they may be able to quarantine people for a few days. Remember that no vaccine has proved to be effective, including polio. Many such diseases have cycles and polio was down to less than 1% the year before the polio vaccine was issued in 1958. All vaccines are issue after the diseases have diminished and big pharma takes credit for riding the planet of the diseases. If polio were a problem, why isn't it an epidemic amongst third world people who cannot afford and do not take polio vaccines? Why is polio non-existent in Amish and Mennonite communities where they don't take vaccines?
5/3/2009 5:24:21 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	That is right Jewelz....good thought provocing comments...
5/4/2009 6:59:09 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	Posted this in the swine flu topic as well... Do you think vaccines are safe? According to neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock, people who get the flu shot five years in a row have a ten-fold increased risk of developing Alzheimer's. brainiac vid on effects of mercury on the brain... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKuznYVn40s Dr. Ott on Bird Flu... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLT0_xMeLjI So around 7:40 min into vid...mentions Mexico is on a list for population control by 2000... Seems to me they are few years late... hmmmm [Edited 5/4/2009 7:15:07 PM PST]
5/6/2009 5:48:53 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
bubba19682007 Leadville, CO age: 41	Well maybe they didnt have the virus ready by then,,,,Or maybe they didnt have THEIR vaccine ready yet,,, you know they wont release a bio-weapon before they know they can keep themselves from getting it first. ARC [Edited 5/6/2009 5:50:53 PM PST]
5/6/2009 5:52:19 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
ontime34 Portland, TX age: 42	I know i'm not going to be eating a thermometer anytime soon.
5/6/2009 5:53:39 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	if you give a darn about knowing if vaccines are bad for you...can kill you...you need to /want to watch this Doctor vid...but here is part 7 where he states it does and what ingredient is in ALL vaccines that can kill you... either right away or over a short time period. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kmF7_2Bs18 So they were alittle late on unleashing this on the unsuspecting population…. Maybe the stock market crash was a precursor to put the “freak out” in the people and so they decided to delay the release of this swine/bird/ human flu….. But it is here now… And guess what folks…remember all the tainted, lead filled toys and dog food/treats, that the Chinese unleashed on us last year or so…well guess what ….China makes our vaccines for us?!::Sooner or later force inoculations are coming….mark my words…of course for our benefit….Do you really trust your govt now? WTF??!! Watch just this one part or continue to bury your heads in the sand….
5/7/2009 10:17:17 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY I, the undersigned, having assumed decision making power independently, or having been appointed to such, by a government bureaucracy or corporation controlled by such, do require the following individual(s): _______________________________________________________________ to receive the following vaccination(s): _______________________________________________________________ contrary to laws of this state that provide religious and philosophical exemptions. I further agree that the stated individual(s) are in excellent to perfect health prior to the administration of such immunization(s). Consistent with this demand, is my personal acceptance of full responsibility for any and all damages resulting from such immunizations. As a result, I agree to provide compensation amounting to $1,000,000 to the family(s) of the persons you are requiring to receive the aforementioned vaccinations for each resulting vaccine related injury(s) and/or disease(s) as follows: Death: http://www.909shot.com/Kids/richie.htm Sudden infant death syndrome: http://www.909shot.com/Kids/nicky.htm Shaken baby syndrome: http://www.vaclib.org/basic/sbsindex.htm Cerebral bleeding: http://www.vaclib.org/basic/sbsrebut.htm Cancer: http://www.sv40cancer.com/ Tumors: http://www.gulfwarvets.com/virus.htm Asthma: http://vaccines.net/Asthma/allergie.htm Auto-immune disease(s): http://healthresearchtoday.com/lupus/whatislupus.htm Polio: http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/rotavirus.htm Bowel blockage: http://www.909shot.com/rotaviru.htm Autism: http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/Autism.htm Brain damage: http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/pentacel.htm Mental retardation: http://www.vaclib.org/news/2006/pentacel.htm Crippling arthritis: http://www.vaclib.org/intro/hepbinfo.htm Paralysis: http://www.909shot.com/Kids/terry.htm Mercury poisoning: http://www.gulfwarvets.com/kids.htm Diabetes: http://vaccines.net/diabetes.htm Blindness: http://www.vaclib.org/email/lymefda.htm Loss of IQ: http://www.vaclib.org/email/autismviera.htm Pain: http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/hepbcasereports.htm Seizures: http://www.vaclib.org/email/seizures.htm Chronic fatigue syndrome: http://healthresearchtoday.com/fibromyalgia/book_104.htm *Note that virtually all of these conditions /diseases are incurable by modern medicine, but easily prevented by abstinence! Name (print):___________________________________Position:__________________ Signature:___________________________________________Date:__________
5/7/2009 10:18:23 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 55	INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY DOCUMENT When you receive your passport, it might be wise to request a copy of Foreign Rules and Regulations, Part 71, Title 42, on immunizations. The World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva grants American visitors the right to refuse vaccinations when traveling internationally. Remember the basic rule: No one may vaccinate against an individual’s will unless, by so doing, the enforcer assumes full responsibility for consequences, both legal and medical. When traveling abroad, you may secure exemptions from vaccines by using Clause 83 of the International Sanitary Code, issued by the WHO and adopted by all its members. It states, in effect, that only when coming from an infected area are vaccinations necessary or the traveler could be quarantined for up to 14 days from the time he left the infected area if the health department deems it necessary. If you come from an area where there has been an epidemic, you will probably be put under surveillance (close watch). This simply means that together with the local health officer you must keep a close watch for any suspicious signs or symptoms. You will probably be required to report periodically to your local health officer for a period of up to 14 days from the time of departure from the infected area. If you notice an outbreak or symptom, you must immediately turn yourself in and submit to quarantine or isolation. In actual practice, not only is this possibility very remote, but if it should occur, the vaccinated person may be required to submit to the same surveillance as the vaccinated! Remember, every year, thousands of 'unimmunized' tourists travel in and out of the United States with little or no inconvenience or embarrassment. It is quite obvious that no individual in his right mind will sign this document. The intention is not to get an individual to accept responsibility in this way, but to: Realize that there is a considerable risk. Realize that they themselves could care less that someone else is injured. Realize that they will accept no responsibility for vaccine related injuries. Become acquainted with the risks and to accept responsibility by not forcing compliance to some bogus rule, standard or guideline that is not the law at all. It is intended to put the official on the defensive that is a substantially weakened posture. Furthermore, it is a response to the intimidation that is often encountered. If an individual refuses to sign on, ask the following question: "Why not? Am I supposed to accept all of the responsibility and my child to accept all of the health risks?" Then offer to negotiate the potential settlement, and ask: "How does one establish the monetary value of suffering?" "Is it worth nothing to you?" "What is the law and what does it state?" "Who benefits financially from this program?" ---answer: The school district gets federal money if there is 100% compliance. “How does this present a risk to others?" He or she should start to get the message.
5/9/2009 3:02:36 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	good webinar with Dr. Moulden and April Renee about vaccines being bad. You can listen to this or continue to bury your head in the sand. http://www.republicmagazine.com/webinar/
5/9/2009 3:05:18 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
wvdad3 Bunker Hill, WV age: 41	would you inject egg white into a vein?
5/9/2009 3:10:04 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
ontime34 Portland, TX age: 42	or mouse brain or monkey kidney
5/9/2009 3:21:16 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	don't forget to mention the mouse brain is out of the dead mouse they killed with the "trial studies" before they put it in the vial and sell as a vaccine to humans. another good website: www.vacinfo.org [Edited 5/9/2009 3:46:10 PM PST]
5/9/2009 3:55:59 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	another good website: www.brainguardmd.com Lots of doc exposing what horrible things vaccines do to you... go there or not...it's up to you....
5/10/2009 3:46:12 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
ontime34 Portland, TX age: 42	I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - STAY AWAY FROM THE SHOTS!!! Vaccines has always been a problem, we've just been conditioned and indoctrinated to believe in them. The agencies responsible for our safety are very 'thick' w/ these drug companies. All those ads, filled with images of concern and sincerity, are made by the same companies and institutions. Do you think they might have a vested interest in your blindness? Research it more, especially if you're still taking the shots. We're inundated with pro-vaccine info consequently, the justifications we think are ours are placed there by the Big Corps that sell them to us. Great for business, poisonous in you!
5/10/2009 10:14:54 PM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
eagleeyes7 Fort Myers, FL age: 62	Good advice! NEVER trust a pharmaceutical manufacturer to have the health of the people in mind over the profits they can realize from selling vaccines! They have already made billions from this scare, and now are likely working on some new antiviral concoction to sell. Eagle
5/13/2009 12:28:08 AM	Vaccines as biological weapons?
bubba19682007 Leadville, CO age: 41	Damn right Eagle. ARC