| 6/25/2009 9:18:33 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
|
Consider this...
1) Leader in proposed massive bail-outs in a capitalistic market
2) Proposing for higher taxes on "greenhouse gases" (even though Global Warming is widely considered a hoax).
3) Told us he would get us out of Iraq in 6 months and instead wants to put more troops in Afghanistan (which could not be taken by the Russians in the 70's)
4) Upheld the PATRIOT Act which infringes on our freedoms of speech, search and seizure and right to habeas corpus
5) Just signed another $108 Billion to keep funding the war in Iraq
6) Cannot convince his own party on healthcare reform
7) Promised transparancy during his administration and has failed to show any
8) Recently proposed a secret CIA program for College Students that would be training on College Campuses all around the US
Did anybody read "1984" by Orwell and the ideals of fascism?
I voted for him...but has failed my test so far.
| | 6/25/2009 9:21:21 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| This is a joke thread right?
| | 6/25/2009 9:49:01 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| You can look any of this info up, and no, it's not a joke.
| | 6/25/2009 9:56:04 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | kevin99999
Oshkosh, WI
age: 41
| You seem surprised that all this would happen...the warning signs were there but ignored..Not quite the change you expected huh?
| | 6/25/2009 10:32:52 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| Not the change at all...but more of the same, just another face and party. Both republicans and democrats' agendas are the same...pro-business, against the common people...us!
| | 6/26/2009 12:28:15 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
bubba19682007
Pilot Point, TX
age: 41 online now!
| Nope,,, I dont approve of ANYTHING the ENTIRE government is doing at all. Obama is just a puppet. Just like his cousin George was.
ARC
| | 6/26/2009 1:51:59 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
azmetalfan
Mesa, AZ
age: 31
| He is dragging this country into another depression and wants to start a health care program that we can't afford.
| | 6/26/2009 2:47:00 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
barbaque
Marble Falls, TX
age: 60
| Absolutly NO !!!GO IMEDIATLY and look up the amnesty bill that the dems are trying to shove down our throats.you will not believe it .they might as well just tear down the fences and remove all security at the airports .I am shocked at what they are trying to do .HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED ALONG WITH BIDEN ,NANCY PELOSI ,and anyone STUPID enough to vote in favor of this bill.
| | 6/26/2009 3:53:38 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| Jack
I meant that anyone would really answer yes..........well except for liberals like Liberal and lobo who would love to trade spit with terrorists
| | 6/26/2009 4:05:45 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
linkitty
Bozeman, MT
age: 53
| I didn't see hell no up there, have to go with no, I didn't vote for him, have no trust or faith in him leading our country, except in a downward spiral. We're heading out of control. He's positively ruining our country. He's outspent every president we've ever had. He's got to be the worse president we've ever had. JMO
| | 6/26/2009 4:12:51 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
wvdad3
Bunker Hill, WV
age: 40
| what an idiotic question 
| | 6/26/2009 5:47:05 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
trippy_hare
Arvada, CO
age: 27
| Consider this...
1) Leader in proposed massive bail-outs in a capitalistic market
America is a long way from pure Capitalism- and the collapse of GM, AIG, Bank of America, et.al. could have potentially led to much, much worse declines, and possibly complete US insolvency.
2) Proposing for higher taxes on "greenhouse gases" (even though Global Warming is widely considered a hoax).
Actually, Global Warming is accepted scientific fact: the debate is whether or not human affairs have influenced the planet's natural climate change. Either way, getting massive income by taxing companies is a GOOD thing. If in doing so they pollute less, that is ALSO a good thing.
3) Told us he would get us out of Iraq in 6 months and instead wants to put more troops in Afghanistan (which could not be taken by the Russians in the 70's)
It was the Russian invasion in the 70's and 80's that caused the US to support Osama bin Laden in the first place, you know.
Rooting out the safe havens of modern Islamic terrorists is a worthy goal: and had Dubya done it properly the first time, we never would have gone to Iraq. Securing and stabilizing Afghanistan is the only way to prevent more radical islamist attacks, and pulling out of Iraq before it can stand on its own will only lead to a power vacuum that will let radical groups seize hold of it... like they did in Iran, and Afghanistan, and Vietnam, etc.
4) Upheld the PATRIOT Act which infringes on our freedoms of speech, search and seizure and right to habeas corpus
I agree- reneging on the promise to publicize interrogation photos and absolving interrogators was a mistake.
5) Just signed another $108 Billion to keep funding the war in Iraq
If Iraq falls apart because we pulled out too early, it'll just become another Afghanistan. Troops need money- more importantly, infrastructure needs building.
6) Cannot convince his own party on healthcare reform
Neither could anyone else in the last... how long? Forty years?
The current health care reform discussions have been the most likely to pass into law in decades. And I for one rather like the idea of not having to declare bankruptcy for getting a mole removed- which is where health care costs are leading.
7) Promised transparancy during his administration and has failed to show any
Subjective speculation. So far, it's been VERY publicized what his administration is spending money on- which is the definition of transparency. By the way.
8) Recently proposed a secret CIA program for College Students that would be training on College Campuses all around the US
Prove it. Oh wait, it's SECRET. Yet you somehow know about it. *rolls eyes*
Did anybody read "1984" by Orwell and the ideals of fascism?
I voted for him...but has failed my test so far.
Change isn't easy. Did you honestly think any single man could rectify two poorly run wars, the worst economic crisis in living memory, absurdly high healthcare costs, etc., etc., in just under 6 months?!
Obama isn't superman.
| | 6/26/2009 5:53:14 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
linkitty
Bozeman, MT
age: 53
| what an idiotic question
| | 6/26/2009 5:55:08 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | bravehart64
Gainesville, FL
age: 45
| Its 65% overall 52% on doemstic issues and spending so what else do you need to know ?.. And trippy hare thanks for debunking this idiots thread a thread ender to be sure ..brave
[Edited 6/26/2009 5:57:13 AM PST]
| | 6/26/2009 6:03:35 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
menagadeux
Richmond, VA
age: 40
| good post trippy, btw you are responding to a crowd of whiners, that will never approve of Obama no matter what he does. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
[Edited 6/26/2009 6:04:11 AM PST]
| | 6/26/2009 6:15:57 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
forumchat
Ellsworth, MI
age: 42
| To expand a bit on trippy's post, almost all of the things being complained about in the OP were clearly spelled out during the campaign.
1) Leader in proposed massive bail-outs in a capitalistic market
I don't believe this was mentioned during his campaign as it did not become a huge issue until late fall, but at the time it seemed there was little alternative.
2) Proposing for higher taxes on "greenhouse gases" (even though Global Warming is widely considered a hoax).
Despite disagreement about the reality of global warming, cap and trade was a campaign issue. In fact, during his campaign he said that under his cap and trade plan, energy costs would necessarily skyrocket.
3) Told us he would get us out of Iraq in 6 months and instead wants to put more troops in Afghanistan (which could not be taken by the Russians in the 70's)
Obama said during the campaign that we would leave Iraq and concentrate our efforts in Afghanistan. He did not say we'd be out of Iraq in six months, he said we would begin a phased withdrawal within 16 months and that he hoped to have major combat troops out by 2013. He also said it would depend upon the situation, that he would listen to the leaders on the ground, and that we would be as careful getting out as we were careless going in. Sending more troops into Afghanistan should not surprise anyone as he said all along that would be his focus in the war on terror.
4) Upheld the PATRIOT Act which infringes on our freedoms of speech, search and seizure and right to habeas corpus
He did not say he would repeal the PATRIOT Act, he said he would revisit it to be sure there was oversight so that the average American's rights were not violated.
5) Just signed another $108 Billion to keep funding the war in Iraq
If the troops are still there we have to fund them.
6) Cannot convince his own party on healthcare reform
You can blame the lobbyists there.
7) Promised transparancy during his administration and has failed to show any
He promised that any non-emergency measure passed by Congress would be posted to the web for five days before he signed it. Most have been posted, but not for five days, so that is a promise he did break. Still, better than most.
8) Recently proposed a secret CIA program for College Students that would be training on College Campuses all around the US
If you know about it, it's not secret  . It's also not Obama's baby, it's an expansion of the Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program which has been in effect for five years and it is not much different from ROTC. All it is going to do is recruit intelligence officers. The program gives financial aid to students and in return the student agrees to work for the agency for as many years as they received the aid. I don't see anything nefarious in it.
I voted for him...but has failed my test so far.
As I said, most of these policies were spelled out in full before the election. With all due respect, if you truly did vote for Obama but now suffer from voter remorse, you perhaps should have paid a bit more attention to his speeches. He told us what he had planned.
| | 6/26/2009 9:23:13 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| Trippy,
1) If we aren't as capitalistic as you say we are, why do we demonize other forms of governnment like Socialism or Communism? If we claim to be Capitalistic well, we should be capitalistic and let these companies fail.
2) You're right, Global Warming is a scientific fact. But it's pre-emptive to think that it's caused by man. We now know that the surface of Mars is also heating up at the same rate ours is (suggesting that it might be strong solar rays projected from the sun). There has also been much study about the magnetic polarity of our earth and how they seem to be switching (north pole will be south and vice versa); the earth's magnetic field is what protects us from radiation and harmful rays. And no...these companies are not going to be taxed; we are. Go buy plastic bottles at the store and you'll see the tax there, taxes will also increase for driving since we're "polluting" more...research all of this info.
3) I understand it's a noble cause, but if the Russians tried it in the 70's and failed, what makes us think we'll succeed? The russians are closer than 1,500 miles; where we are a world away. There's no way you can fight somebody that lives in caves located on some of the toughest terrain on earth.
4) He has upheld the act...meaning he's ok with it and everything that goes along with it.
5) The same argument you're making was made about Vietnam, but with massive riots and protests on the streets we were able to pull out. Why can't we do that now? Specially since Iraq Civilians have wanted us out for more than 2 years now.
6) Ok, maybe that's a cheap shot, but his party holds the house and senate, if they wanted to they could.
7) I meant transparancy as far as the back deals of Washington. Guantanamo Bay pics were not released, we're in covert operations in 30 countries in the world including much of Latin America which is trying to form their own coalition to oust foreign investors.
8) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061903501.html...read the papers my friend.
You're right, change isn't easy but lets not do what everybody does...blame the last administration. Take some responsibility, I voted for him because he promised change, but so far it's been more like the same.
I'm starting to suspect that republicans and democrats have the same agenda.
| | 6/26/2009 9:38:13 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| forumchat,
1) lets not make excuses as "at the time is seemed there was little alternative", there's always alternatives. I didn't mention that he also bailed out GM at the cost of $25 billion and they went in bankruptcy anyway.
2) So more taxes for the common people and not these gigantic companies making record profits.
3) He did say he would get us out of Iraq in 6 months, after the election he said 12, then 18...now 22. How many more months of this faulty war do we and our troops have to put up with?
4) He was the candidate of CHANGE...how can he state that when upholding an unconstitutional act?
5) If the money is not there, they would come back in a heart beat just like they did in Vietnam.
6) Dems hold house and senate...if they don't do it now when will they do it?
7) We can't say...better than most. We all have to hold true to our promises.
8) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061903501.html
Can you see a slippery slope where these agents would "police" the students at universities and colleges all around the US? During the 60's, it was UC Berkley and some prominent students that sparked the riots and peace demonstrations against the war of Vietnam. Students have the time, minds, and energy to put things in motion; we can't allow their voice to be silenced.
I stay well informed at all times and is why I voted for the candidate who promised change. Obama is not the strong character person I thought he was. He's just another politician but with a different ethnicity.
| | 6/26/2009 9:43:05 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
dochollomon
Atlanta, GA
age: 46
| OMG I agree he's a Socialist, Communist, Radical Liberal, Fear Spreading Fool.
Take your pick.
| | 6/26/2009 8:34:35 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | tumblwd
Knoxville, TN
age: 62
| This guy is making Bush look like another Roosevelt or Lincoln. The smoke and mirrors currently being used to keep Obama's popularity on life support is wearing thin and will make people yearn for the days of decisive government action when Cheney was running things behind the scenes. Bush did not waiver in what he stood for because he had strong people working for him. Just wait till all this stimulus money hits the streets and causes hyper inflation. Then like an addict, America will run back to the pusher, the Federal reserve for another "hit" of the opiate-$$$$$$$$. Bubba was right on the money calling this guy George's cousin. Bush silently approves and dont forget Clinton is like a son in the Bush family too.
[Edited 6/26/2009 8:36:16 PM PST]
| | 6/26/2009 8:39:06 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
prxf
Pittsburgh, PA
age: 53
| Approve? of what?? He's given me no reason to trust him!
| | 6/26/2009 8:51:48 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | be4eyedieagain
Janesville, WI
age: 45
| yoo early for me, but the spending has got to stop.
| | 6/26/2009 8:57:10 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
tater79
Springfield, IL
age: 30
| I dis-approved of him before he took office, based on what type of things he has always supported his whole life, and who his friends were....
You have to be retarded to actually think what he is doing is good... 
| | 6/26/2009 9:22:38 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
flyingdutchman
Lancaster, CA
age: 45
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| | 6/26/2009 9:51:19 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
| Obama said during the campaign that we would leave Iraq and concentrate our efforts in Afghanistan. He did not say we'd be out of Iraq in six months, he said we would begin a phased withdrawal within 16 months and that he hoped to have major combat troops out by 2013. He also said it would depend upon the situation, that he would listen to the leaders on the ground, and that we would be as careful getting out as we were careless going in. Sending more troops into Afghanistan should not surprise anyone as he said all along that would be his focus in the war on terror.
Typical fuzzed memory 
Obama said on September 2007 the best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year, but now.
During the primary debates he said that he’d have our troops out of Iraq within 6 months of assuming office.
On January 15, 2008, he changed it to the end of 2009 (a little over 11 months): “I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out by the end of 2009. So that was an increase of 5 months.
Obama’s current plan is to have troops out within 16 months, another increase of 5 months.
Who knows what his next time table will be 
| | 6/26/2009 10:10:09 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | sharedmercy
Fort Wayne, IN
age: 54
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| | 6/27/2009 12:46:42 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
liberal08
Spring, TX
age: 57
| It's still pretty early, but I worked hard to get him elected and so far so good. Of course, the economy was not in such bad shape when he decided to run for office, but not one other single person has stepped up with any better solutions.
In fact, the silence is deafening.
No solutions on banking, credit, illegal immigration, healthcare reform, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, North Korea, Global Warming, unemployment, international relations generally, trade imbalance, tax reform, fossil fuel depletion, globalization, use of natural resources, education, Swine Flu, military spending, deficit, SSA, race relations, Veterans' Affairs, Cuba, Mexican drug cartels, gun violence, Constitutional rights, Habeas Corpus, nuclear proliferation, GITMO, appointments, food and drug safety, NATO, etc.
| | 6/27/2009 12:55:13 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
ylekiot
Stateline, NV
age: 53
| Many people, including some of his campaign supporters, have become dissillusioned with Obama. Early indications are that he has NOT walked the campaign talk.
| | 6/27/2009 1:11:08 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| Liberal.........so far so good??? Okay what planet are you from again? Uranus I'll bet. His free spending policies have caused the bond market to skyrocket to 4% despite the fact that the fed is at 0% on short term loans. This is always a precursor to high inflation, probably double digits by next year. The Fed can't bail him out because there is no place to cut the rate from 0%. His administration which he promised would be open and transparent is anything but. He fired a man for recommending that one of Obama's backers be charged with theft of government money. (How dare he?) The White House for the first time in history refuses to release the guestbook. He has given 5.2 billion dollars to a criminal organization. (ACORN)
He has for the first time in the history of the country usurped the census (again planning on using ACORN to do the counting . A fact so repugnant that even Robert "Grand Dragon" Byrd has called it unconstitutional)
On his second day in office he issued an edict freeing Adb al-Rahim al-Nashri, the mastermind of the USS Cole bombing, which killed 17 and wounded 39.
We have North korea threatening us with nuclear war, Russia moving missles into Venezuela where they could hit any US city they choose. Every two bit dictator has launched threats against the US.
He has raised cigarette taxes and is in the process of raising electricity costs which will not only drive up the cost but will add to inflation by making every product we buy more expensive.
Half of his appointments are tax evaders.
All this in only 5 months. Only a moron would think this is so far so good unless they want the US destroyed. Which category do you fall into?
| | 6/27/2009 2:50:02 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
dochollomon
Atlanta, GA
age: 46
| It's still pretty early, but I worked hard to get him elected and so far so good. Of course, the economy was not in such bad shape when he decided to run for office, but not one other single person has stepped up with any better solutions.
In fact, the silence is deafening.
No solutions on banking, credit, illegal immigration, healthcare reform, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, North Korea, Global Warming, unemployment, international relations generally, trade imbalance, tax reform, fossil fuel depletion, globalization, use of natural resources, education, Swine Flu, military spending, deficit, SSA, race relations, Veterans' Affairs, Cuba, Mexican drug cartels, gun violence, Constitutional rights, Habeas Corpus, nuclear proliferation, GITMO, appointments, food and drug safety, NATO, etc.
You don't have to do any thing, A free market economy will correct itself.
If unions and politicians would take there greedy hands out of the pot,
you would see the correction much sooner.
The Economy still suck for a few reason MOST IMPORTANT.
Obummer preaching doom and gloom, so we tighten our belts, people scared to spend money
they may need to make a house payment.
If that dumb a** and the rest of DC would do nothing for 3 weeks, yep just 3 weeks
you would see an up change.
Believe what you want.
So far he's weakened the dollar, and is driving Interest Rate up.
Someone please tell how that will help, IT WONT.
| | 6/27/2009 3:11:39 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
older50
Otis, CO
age: 59
| I think he is clueless
| | 6/27/2009 6:40:26 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
forumchat
Ellsworth, MI
age: 42
| Typical fuzzed memory
Obama said on September 2007 the best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year, but now.
During the primary debates he said that he’d have our troops out of Iraq within 6 months of assuming office.
I do not recall him ever saying six months. Once during a primary debate in July 2007, Obama said, "So we have to begin a phased withdrawal; have our combat troops out by March 31st of next year; and initiate the kind of diplomatic surge that is necessary in these surrounding regions to make sure that everybody is carrying their weight.
And that is what I will do on day one, as president of the United States, if we have not done it in the intervening months."
Now, what strikes me there is he is saying that the troops should be out by March 31, 2008. He was not elected until November, 2008. His next statement simply says that a phased withdrawal from Iraq would begin once he took office. But ok, I'll give you that one as nothing more than campaign rhetoric. I'd still like to see a source for the six months quote, though.
On January 15, 2008, he changed it to the end of 2009 (a little over 11 months): “I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out by the end of 2009. So that was an increase of 5 months.
Obama’s current plan is to have troops out within 16 months, another increase of 5 months.
Who knows what his next time table will be
Well, here's something to consider:
September 19, 2004. Associated Press reports that Obama, running for Illinois Senate seat, would be willing to send more troops to Iraq if it would create conditions for eventual withdrawal. Says it would be "an extraordinary accomplishment" if U.S. could withdraw from Iraq in four years. Remains opposed to invasion decision.
November 22, 2005. In speech to Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, said U.S. forces remain "part of a solution" in the bitterly divided country and should not be withdrawn immediately. Without citing specific numbers, Obama called for a "limited drawdown" of U.S. troops that would push the fragile Iraqi government to take more responsibility while deploying enough American soldiers to prevent the country from "exploding into civil war or ethnic cleansing or a haven for terrorism."
June 21, 2006. In Senate floor speech, Obama calls for a "blueprint for an expeditious yet responsible exit from Iraq," but opposes a "date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops."
April 26, 2007. Obama voted in favor of bill to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq within one year. The measure was promptly vetoed by President Bush.
Sept. 26, 2007, At a Democratic debate in Hanover, N.H. the late Tim Russert pressed Obama as to whether he would have all troops out by the end of his first term. "I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there," Obama said. "I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we're carrying out counterterrorism activities there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out."
Feb. 26, 2008, At a Democratic debate in Cleveland Obama said, "As soon as I take office, I will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we will initiate a phased withdrawal, we will be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. We will give ample time for them to stand up, to negotiate the kinds of agreements that will arrive at the political accommodations that are needed."
April 16, 2008, At a debate in Philadelphia on Obama said, "Now, I will always listen to our commanders on the ground with respect to tactics. Once I've given them a new mission, that we are going to proceed deliberately in an orderly fashion out of Iraq and we are going to have our combat troops out, we will not have permanent bases there, once I've provided that mission, if they come to me and want to adjust tactics, then I will certainly take their recommendations into consideration; but ultimately the buck stops with me as the commander in chief."
May 4, 2008, On "Meet the Press" on Russert asked Obama what he would do if advisers thought "a quick withdrawal" from Iraq would result in genocide. Obama replied, "Of course, I would factor in the possibilities of genocide, and I factored it in when I said that I would begin a phased withdrawal. What we have talked about is a very deliberate and prudent approach to the withdrawal -- one to two brigades per month. At that pace, it would take about 16 months, assuming that George Bush is not going to lower troop levels before the next president takes office. We are talking about, potentially, two years away. At that point, we will have been in Iraq seven years. If we cannot get the Iraqis to stand up in seven years, we're not going to get them to stand up in 14 or 28 or 56 years."
After the McCain campaign attacked Obama as a flip-flopper, the candidate responded with another press conference the same day.
"I intend to end this war," Obama said. "My first day in office I will bring the joint chiefs of staff in, and I will give them a new mission. And that is to end this war. Responsibly, deliberately, but decisively. And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades per month. And again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months' time."
Seems pretty consistent to me. I never thought we would be out of Iraq immediately and I always knew he planned to concentrate the efforts in Afghanistan. I'm not sure why anyone else was surprised.
| | 6/27/2009 7:51:33 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
wvdad3
Bunker Hill, WV
age: 40
| No it's not. It's a very important question.
i do not aprove of deceit and communism.
| | 6/27/2009 8:27:06 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
|
Seems pretty consistent to me. I never thought we would be out of Iraq immediately and I always knew he planned to concentrate the efforts in Afghanistan. I'm not sure why anyone else was surprised.
Consistent depends on who Obama was talking to at the moment and most people who voted for him can't decide which quote to use.
| | 6/27/2009 8:47:12 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
eroot
Webster City, IA
age: 34
|
1) If we aren't as capitalistic as you say we are, why do we demonize other forms of governnment like Socialism or Communism? If we claim to be Capitalistic well, we should be capitalistic and let these companies fail.
not to nit pick, but socialism and capitalism are economic and social systems, not forms of government.
communism is a political ideology though. so. there's that.
i agree the companies should have failed for poor business models, but i also acknowledge that failure would have most likely damaged our economy more than the bailouts.
[Edited 6/27/2009 8:48:13 AM PST]
| | 6/27/2009 8:51:32 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 59
| I am pissed he has not made a car payment or paid my rent or my bar tab why o why did i vote for this guy?? That is what most of his supporters are saying now..I bet the woman on tele. that thought he would do this is really pissed....
| | 6/27/2009 9:04:08 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
dochollomon
Atlanta, GA
age: 46
| YEAH BRUTHA gonna save us all !
What a Sick Joke.
| | 6/27/2009 10:29:45 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
summerfun0246
Conway, AR
age: 58
| When I served in Vietnam I never dreamed the USA would move toward socialism. The only thing scarier than the politicians moving us this direction is the ambivalence or just plain acceptance on the part of the public.
| | 6/27/2009 11:30:24 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| Eroot,
Definition of socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Definition of communism - A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
They are both political and social models. If these are the definitions; why do most people think they're bad? Socialism calls for more spending on the common people and social programs to uplift communities and essentially the country; how can that be bad? It's beliefs are against Militarism and Capitalism; both things we have seen fail. Militarism has failed with the Egyptians and Romans where too much money was spent on the military and not enough on social programs (both collapsed from within). We're seeing the effects of free capitalism...it destroys itself. We need to find a balance between capitalism and socialism in order for the majority of people to be at ease.
I disagree with the massive bail-outs; when the money is released into the market there will be hyper-inflation and the common people will be the ones who will suffer...as always. Let these companies fail.
| | 6/27/2009 11:36:41 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| Summer
You hit the nail right on the head.
| | 6/27/2009 12:00:27 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
styx62ga2
Douglasville, GA
age: 47 online now!
| Not no but Hell No!!!
| | 6/27/2009 1:49:19 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
dochollomon
Atlanta, GA
age: 46
| When I served in Vietnam I never dreamed the USA would move toward socialism. The only thing scarier than the politicians moving us this direction is the ambivalence or just plain acceptance on the part of the public.
I must say, Well put.
Is it only Us vets that see our country being handed over by the lazy masses.
with there hands out.
To lazy to even back ground check these Politicians, just watch the idiot box
and pull the lever for the empty promises.
| | 6/27/2009 1:54:26 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
dochollomon
Atlanta, GA
age: 46
| Eroot,
Definition of socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Definition of communism - A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
They are both political and social models. If these are the definitions; why do most people think they're bad? Socialism calls for more spending on the common people and social programs to uplift communities and essentially the country; how can that be bad? It's beliefs are against Militarism and Capitalism; both things we have seen fail. Militarism has failed with the Egyptians and Romans where too much money was spent on the military and not enough on social programs (both collapsed from within). We're seeing the effects of free capitalism...it destroys itself. We need to find a balance between capitalism and socialism in order for the majority of people to be at ease.
I disagree with the massive bail-outs; when the money is released into the market there will be hyper-inflation and the common people will be the ones who will suffer...as always. Let these companies fail.
Because young pup, Hard working people are tired of our efforts going to the sorry
asses that won't work. ( WELFARE )
Do you have idea how much you pay the government in TAXES each year?
| | 6/27/2009 1:58:53 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
lust4love
Atco, NJ
age: 39
| he already fired up the healthcare industry ,the auto Industry,and Iran. Not bad for an A novice.
| | 6/27/2009 2:36:04 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
stargazzer
Creighton, NE
age: 61
| This Comunity Organizer will have the entire world in shambles in no time.
| | 6/27/2009 3:42:53 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
forumchat
Ellsworth, MI
age: 42
| Consistent depends on who Obama was talking to at the moment and most people who voted for him can't decide which quote to use.
Whatever. I presented a timeline of Barack Obama's statements on Iraq over a period of four years and they are all consistent. Now it's up to you to show me a timeline of Obama changing his stance.
| | 6/27/2009 9:59:08 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| dochollomon,
Middle aged man; try to make some sense. I didn't mention anything about raising taxes; I meant to shift from spending 50% of the US tax payer money in the military, and instead spend more on social issues (which the US only spends 30% of total income).
Please read the entire post and know what the definitions accurately mean instead of your pre-conceived notions of political and socio-economic models.
| | 6/28/2009 7:26:58 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
life13021
Auburn, NY
age: 62
|  The man is doing all he can to fix the f**kups that W led us into..........
just sayin Peace
| | 6/28/2009 10:26:01 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
| Whatever. I presented a timeline of Barack Obama's statements on Iraq over a period of four years and they are all consistent. Now it's up to you to show me a time line of Obama changing his stance.
I think I already did.....
Obama said on September 2007 the best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year, but now.
During the primary debates he said that he’d have our troops out of Iraq within 6 months of assuming office.
On January 15, 2008, he changed it to the end of 2009 (a little over 11 months): “I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out by the end of 2009. So that was an increase of 5 months.
Obama’s current plan is to have troops out within 16 months, another increase of 5 months.
Next week his time line should change....Oh that is what you voted for, CHANGE you just misunderstood what he was saying.
| | 6/28/2009 10:44:26 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
life13021
Auburn, NY
age: 62
| The troops were installed by false pretenses put forth by GWB.
They told outright lies about Muhammad Atta meeting with Iraqui agents, lies about WMD. The men who told the lies were later given Medals Of Freedom, (G.Tenet et al). Iraq is a mess created by the GOP to gain control of Saddams oil and that is all.
Peace
| | 6/28/2009 11:10:59 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
| The troops were installed by false pretenses put forth by GWB.
They told outright lies about Muhammad Atta meeting with Iraqui agents, lies about WMD. The men who told the lies were later given Medals Of Freedom, (G.Tenet et al). Iraq is a mess created by the GOP to gain control of Saddams oil and that is all.
Peace
You never did read the final ISG report. and the media did your thinking for you.
| | 6/28/2009 11:15:13 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
life13021
Auburn, NY
age: 62
| Sorry you don't work for DHS or you would know the real story, I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you Peace
| | 6/28/2009 11:32:16 AM | Approve of Obama so far? | | 
lighting18
New York, NY
age: 18
| He's doing a great job, without his leadership we would have been in a depression by now. It's amazing how some of these conservative republicans suggested we simply do nothing and try and let the free market balance itself out. That approach would have lead to great failure and consequence. Obama has clearly tackled more issues in his 5 months in office then Pres Bush tackled throughout his entire Presidentcy.
| | 6/28/2009 1:33:46 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jackbrown
San Diego, CA
age: 27
| lighting,
First of all, don't generalize and believe that because I criticize Obama I'm a republican. I voted for him, he seemed like a change but my point is that it's more of the same. It matters not who's in the white house or in congress; they're agendas are the same. Please take a look at what will happen when the money allocated to the Fed (which is a private bank may I add) is released into the market. You say that we are getting out of a depression? You have no idea how it will be in three to six years. I'm a liberal on social issues; but this is just outrageous and does not help solve the financial problem.
If we really want to solve the financial problem, the fed would have to be nationalized and the government (not some rich investors) would be making loans and creating interest rates around the country and the world.
[Edited 6/28/2009 1:34:34 PM PST]
| | 6/28/2009 1:55:42 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
forumchat
Ellsworth, MI
age: 42
| I think I already did.....
No you didn't. I said I wanted a timeline. You simply repeated yourself in reposting a blog from another site. So I'll repeat myself. I gave a timeline showing consistent statements by Barack Obama over a period of four years. You can't do the same because all but two or three of those statements over a span of four years all say 16 months.
What you don't seem to understand is that taking two statements over a period of years that conflict with all the many dozens of other statements that he made during that same time that are consistent with one another, you have an aberration, not a trend.
Furthermore, considering that during the actual presidential campaign between McCain and Obama he never strayed from his 16 month timeline, clinging to a couple of statements made over two years prior is hardly a strong argument.
But hey...whatever makes you feel better about losing, lol.
| | 6/28/2009 3:18:59 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
| No you didn't. I said I wanted a timeline.
Wait, Obama may extend his now, 6 months or 16 months into 2013.
Nothing in Iraq found either I see, wonder what this is.
Al-Samoud missile, as designed, was capable of exceeding the UN-permitted 150-km-range restriction with a potential operational range of about 180 kilometers. Captured Al-Samoud missle by American forces in Southern Iraq 2003
[Edited 6/28/2009 3:28:54 PM PST]
| | 6/28/2009 3:57:14 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
forumchat
Ellsworth, MI
age: 42
| Really? from another blog huh?
Yep. Your post, then the blog post, with the excerpts you took for your post in bold.
Typical fuzzed memory
Obama said on September 2007 the best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year, but now.
During the primary debates he said that he’d have our troops out of Iraq within 6 months of assuming office.
On January 15, 2008, he changed it to the end of 2009 (a little over 11 months): “I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out by the end of 2009. So that was an increase of 5 months.
Obama’s current plan is to have troops out within 16 months, another increase of 5 months.
Blog:
Well, lets take a look at the history of Obama’s stances on Iraq:
First, in September of 2007, Obama said, “So let me be clear. There is no military solution in Iraq. There never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolvetheir civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year, but now.”
Then, as his campaign picked up steam during the primary, he said in primary debates that he’d have our troops out of Iraq within 6 months of assuming office.
Then on January 15, 2008, he changed it to the end of 2009 (a little over 11 months): “I have put forward a plan that will get our troops out by the end of 2009. We already saw today reports that the Iraqi minister suggests that we’re going to be in there at least until 2018, a decade-long commitment.” So that was an increase of 5 months.
Obama’s current plan is to have troops out within 16 months, another increase of 5 years months (sorry – my bad).
Now I am giving you the first one because it is a direct quote from Obama, so it is understandable. But it's quite coincidental that both you and the blog author used exactly the same wording and punctuation in the exact same places while paraphrasing, don't you think? Sure, you flipped some words around in the second paragraph, left out a couple sentences in the next and omitted the mistake he made in the last, but it's still his blog, complete with parentheses and colon in the exact same places.
Nothing in Iraq found either I see, wonder what this is.
Al-Samoud missile, as designed, was capable of exceeding the UN-permitted 150-km-range restriction with a potential operational range of about 180 kilometers. Captured Al-Samoud missle by American forces in Southern Iraq 2003
Well, I'll tell you what it's not; a WMD.
| | 6/28/2009 4:01:26 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
| Well, I'll tell you what it's not; a WMD.
Iraq must celebrate the 4th of July then.
| | 6/28/2009 4:04:05 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | | jab7375
Passaic, NJ
age: 36
| Whatever. I presented a timeline of Barack Obama's statements on Iraq over a period of four years and they are all consistent. Now it's up to you to show me a timeline of Obama changing his stance.
How are you going to state with a straight face that Hussein's "withdraw from Iraq" statements have been consistent with these extracted claims below? Your extracted "timeline" consistencies:
June 21, 2006. In Senate floor speech, Obama calls for a "blueprint for an expeditious yet responsible exit from Iraq," but opposes a "date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops."
April 26, 2007. Obama voted in favor of bill to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq within one year. The measure was promptly vetoed by President Bush.
This discredits, contradicts, and debunks your consistency claims and arguments. Furthermore, you can add his commments of removing troops NOW back in '07, and add his 18 month and 19 month withdrawal deadline, put those 16 months "consistent" quotes in between those you should add, lol.
Good day,
Tito
| | 6/28/2009 5:01:25 PM | Approve of Obama so far? | |
maxium4x4
Findlay, OH
age: 52
| Don't fret about it forumchat, In the Senate Obama demanded immediate withdraw of our troops then kick started his campaign with complete troop withdraw in the first 6 months of taking office. After advice from his campaign advisor's Obama changed it to 16 months and we still have several months for him to change his mind again after talking to commanders on the ground in Iraq.
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