7/2/2009 9:03:46 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from izzynotalone:
I said according to op blackjack there would be another falseflag attack on US. I didn't predict or write op blackjack.

Yeah—but you posted it:

Quote from izzynotalone:

It is difficult to know whether we know the truth or if we have been deceived, only time will tell...but according to all the research I have labored over for the past few years this seems to line up with everything that I have come to believe and perceive as the truth...

I have tried to warn the 'sheep' to the best of my ability, I know I have not always done this in a manner that I probably should have

Trying to pay back a few pennies on a debt of THOUSANDS. Don’t TRY it, IZZY.

but I hope it has been helpful to those who were willing to listen. I hope everyone has made their preps or their peace with God.
I pray those of you who are enlightened and able will be as helpful to others as possible by making all the best choices and helping all to turn to God during these terrible times. Remember, only those who stay strong in faith and remain standing to the end will receive the blessings of God. If you fail to do this you will receive the 'blessings' you so richly deserve. This is MY final warning

Since you’ve posted at least two more ‘warning’ threads since then, I have to conclude you’ve never read the dictionary definition of “final.”

and whether you are glad to be rid of me or not, I wish all of you the best of luck in the next few years and God bless.

Operation blackjack is the next false flag attack on the US. The attack that supposedly Bin Laden has 'promised' on the US, {another 911 except on a much larger scale} 8:03AM June 21st blackjack is go

It is actually a black op sponsored by PTB. (Just like 911. This is how the illuminati controls the world through deception. Deceiving a nations people by 'attacking themselves' and making it look like some one else did it, so that an excuse to go to war is established and the people will blindly support it) This attack will be nuclear/biological and it will lead to the greatest US and world wide destruction this planet has ever seen...

It is scheduled to commence at 8 a.m. on June 21st. This date marks exactly 3.5 years before Dec 21 2012.( 2012 is the pole shift, Rev 6:12-17, the midpoint of the tribulation, and things are going to get very BAD from now until then...and for awhile afterwards as well)
This event marks the beginning of the tribulation, (such persecution as the world has never seen, Matt 24:21,22)and will be followed by the false 7 year peace treaty with Israel/mideast. (which will be broken just prior to the pole shift)

This is a list of the cities that are to be destroyed with nuclear bombs:

San Francisco
L.A.
San Diego
Tucson
Cedar City, UT
Denver
Dallas
Houston
Topeka
Rochester or Owatonna, MN
Chicago
Detroit
Atlanta
Miami
Pittsburg
Philadelphia
Charlotte, NC (too low to be Raleigh)
D.C.
Baltimore (look more like Annapolis and Chesapeake Bay more logic Naval hit)
Boston
Hartford or Bridgeport, CT

*(NYC is supposed to be nuked, but the bombs may be intercepted.)

Timer showing the countdown to the first detonations:
countdown
According to this we have about 3 and a half days left before the total collapse of this country and the beginning of the tribulation...

You continually weave and wind like a SERPENT, ignoring what you’ve actually said [when it doesn’t come true [which is like, ALL THE TIME!], but it’s going to keep coming back and bite you—and everyone KNOWS IT.

I know how you think—and what you’re COUNTING ON.

Anyone can see the world’s in bad shape. We have tremendous nuclear capability. If something went wrong—we would be in SERIOUS TROUBLE [to say the least!]

Now to the minds of many, the LIKELIHOOD of a nuclear strike is pretty great.

And there are numerous passages in the Bible which sound like that is EXACTLY what they are talking about.

So you sound off about Biblical prophecy, because to YOUR mind—it’s a pretty safe bet that there IS GOING TO BE A NUCLEAR WAR.

And so—when it happens, everybody’s going to think “IZZY’s a PROPHET—HE SAW IT AHEAD OF TIME!”

That’s what you’re counting on.

But today is the eleventh day since your phony ‘prophecy’ and “NO NUKES”

REALITY HAS A FUNNY WAY OF LAUGHING IN THE FACE OF IDIOTS.



IZZYISM: It Happens That I’m So Full Of Shit.










7/2/2009 9:12:03 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

scorpiomoon
Over 2,000 Posts (2,808)
Brattleboro, VT
age: 60


It seems this little guy on the tractor has been quite busy, AND he is old!

Crop circles rose in prominence during the late 1970s as circles began appearing throughout the English countryside. The phenomenon of crop circles became widely known in the late 1980s, after the media started to report crop circles in Hampshire and Wiltshire and corresponding phenomena were reported from locations as diverse as Penrith in Australia and Minnesota in the United States. To date, approximately 12,000 crop circles have been discovered in sites across the world, from locations such as the former Soviet Union, the UK and Japan, as well as the U.S. and Canada. Skeptics note a correlation between crop circles, recent media coverage, and the absence of fencing and/or anti-trespassing legislation. However, proponents point to the simple profusion of these events prior to and continuing after the decline in media coverage as rendering the amateur crank phenomenon unlikely.The earliest recorded image resembling a crop circle is depicted in the 17th-century.

7/2/2009 9:20:17 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

librajason
Over 2,000 Posts (2,781)
Gateway, AR
age: 34


I guess we should all replace our "No Trespassing" signs with "No Parking" signs.
If I had a wheat field, I'd be madder than hell if they parked one those damn things in my field tearin' it up like that.....like joy ridin' teenagers



[Edited 7/2/2009 9:20:38 AM PST]

7/2/2009 9:23:37 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from gapeach7777:
I don't that crop circles "point" to anything but I sure like the pictures. I personally don't think a group of people could produce those especially the really elaborate ones in one night. I could be wrong but they are still quite beautiful.

Some of them certainly are hoaxes—

But there are others: they’re not produced by just mashing down the wheat. The strands have been found to be woven and braided together. Imagine how time-consuming that would be.

In 2002, Discovery Channel commissioned five aeronautics and astronautics students from MIT to create crop circles of their own. Discovery's production team consulted with crop-circle researcher Nancy Talbott, who provided them with three attributes that she believed set "real" crop circles apart from known man-made circles, such as those created by Doug Bower and Dave Chorley. These criteria were:
1. Elongated apical plant stem nodes
2. Expulsion cavities in the plant stems
3. The presence of 10–50 micrometre diameter magnetized iron spheres in the soils, distributed linearly
Over the course of a single night, the team was able to create a stereotypical "man-made" circle that they then attempted to enhance using the three criteria. The team used lengths of rope to plot their design and trampled the wheat down in a spiral pattern using lengths of wooden board attached to loops of rope. To meet criterion 2, they constructed a portable microwave emitter, using it to superheat the moisture inside the corn stalks until it burst out as steam. To meet criterion 3, they built a device—dubbed the Flammenwerfer ("flamethrower")—that sprayed iron particles through a heated ring. However, the device proved to be too time-consuming to use, and they were forced to finish the task by using a pyrotechnic charge to distribute the iron around the circle. The circle was later analyzed by graduate students from MIT, who declared it to be "on a par with any of the documented cases". Their conclusion was later questioned by Talbott, who noted that the team had only been able to recreate two of the three criteria. Talbott also expressed concerns that the iron particles were not distributed laterally. Furthermore, she felt that the team's use of night-vision headsets and other technologically advanced items would be out of reach for the average hoaxer. This would have been even more so in the '70s and '80s when night-vision equipment was rare outside official use.
The creation of the circle was recorded and used in the Discovery Channel documentary Crop Circles: Mysteries in the Fields.

The earliest recorded image resembling a crop circle is depicted in a 17th-century English woodcut called the "Mowing-Devil". The image depicts the devil with a scythe mowing (cutting) a circular design in a field of oats. The pamphlet containing the image states that the farmer, disgusted at the wage his mower was demanding for his work, insisted that he would rather have "the devil himself" perform the task. That night, the crop appeared as if it were on fire, then in the morning a circular pattern had mysteriously appeared.



A more recent historical report of crop circles was republished (from Nature, volume 22, pp. 290–291, 29 July 1880) in the January 2000 issue of the Journal of Meteorology. It describes the 1880 investigations by amateur scientist John Rand Capron:
"The storms about this part of Western Surrey have been lately local and violent, and the effects produced in some instances curious. Visiting a neighbour's farm on Wednesday evening (21st), we found a field of standing wheat considerably knocked about, not as an entirety, but in patches forming, as viewed from a distance, circular spots....I could not trace locally any circumstances accounting for the peculiar forms of the patches in the field, nor indicating whether it was wind or rain, or both combined, which had caused them, beyond the general evidence everywhere of heavy rainfall. They were suggestive to me of some cyclonic wind action,..."
In 1966, one of the most famous accounts of UFO traces happened in the small town of Tully, Queensland, Australia. A sugarcane farmer said he witnessed a saucer-shaped craft rise 30 or 40 feet (12 m) up from a swamp and then fly away, and when he went to investigate the location where he thought the saucer had landed, he found the reeds intricately weaved in a clockwise fashion on top of the water.[citation needed] The woven reeds could hold the weight of 10 men.
There are also many other anecdotal accounts of crop circles in Ufology literature that predate the modern crop circle phenomena, though some cases involve crops which were cut or burnt, rather than flattened.
Crop circles rose in prominence during the late 1970s as circles began appearing throughout the English countryside. The phenomenon of crop circles became widely known in the late 1980s, after the media started to report crop circles in Hampshire and Wiltshire and corresponding phenomena were reported from locations as diverse as Penrith in Australia and Minnesota in the United States. To date, approximately 12,000 crop circles have been discovered in sites across the world, from locations such as the former Soviet Union, the UK and Japan, as well as the U.S. and Canada. Skeptics note a correlation between crop circles, recent media coverage, and the absence of fencing and/or anti-trespassing legislation. However, proponents point to the simple profusion of these events prior to and continuing after the decline in media coverage as rendering the amateur crank phenomenon unlikely.
Although farmers have expressed concern at the damage caused to their crops, local response to the appearance of crop circles can often be enthusiastic, with locals taking advantage of the tourist potential of circles. Past responses have included bus or helicopter tours of circle sites, walking tours, t-shirts and book sales. Potential markets include curious tourists, scientists, crop circle researchers, and individuals seeking a spiritual experience by praying to and communing with spirits. Notably also, the crop generally continues to ripen in a 'genuine' circle, being laid flat rather than broken. Some researchers have found that the corn appears to have bent at the nodes of the stalks, showing that can only be replicated in the lab using a microwave oven. In rarer cases, this has occurred near the top of the stems, not the bottom, all but ruling out human involvement.
In 1996, a circle appeared near Stonehenge, and the farmer set up a booth and charged a fee. He collected £30,000 in four weeks. The value of the crop had it been harvested was probably about £150.





7/2/2009 10:18:03 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


[And so—when it happens, everybody’s going to think “IZZY’s a PROPHET—HE SAW IT AHEAD OF TIME!” That’s what you’re counting on. voevode quote]

I have stated numerous times that I don’t consider myself or want anyone else to consider me a ‘prophet’. I am not sure why or what you think I am counting on either. (I am only counting on God) I have no ambition to be anything other than God’s servant. I don’t want anyone’s money or have any intention of profiting or loss from people’s actions, fears or opinions.

IMO you are the one who is trying to make such a big deal out of nothing and LYING to folks so they will believe something negative about me, (I have already clearly stated I am not a prophet.) I am not sure why you have such a cob up your ass, but I and others too, would appreciate it if you could remove it before you explode from being too full of shit…

I have been ‘called’ to warn the sheep and to the best of my ability that is all I am doing, nothing more, nothing less. If you don’t care to take heed that is your business, but if you continue to insult then you are out of line and hopefully others will see you for what you actually are…a lame a** naysayer with less credibility than myself..

According to the mayan end date and prophecy the trib should begin anytime. The first event is a limited nuclear exchange. Matt 24:21,22;

That is not my prophecy, that is what the bible says Jesus spoke. I happen to believe God, you do whatever you think best...and I will do what I have been 'called' to do.

repent and turn to God for the end is not near...it is HERE!

7/2/2009 10:32:56 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from bravehart64:
What a bucnh of BS .Crop circles where shown to be fake years ago and you post this stupidity ? Know I see what it takes to get attention on this forum ..brave


Do you have any real evidence (links or otherwise) besides your own disbelief to prove they are 'fake'?

The most amazing thing about the recent ones are their size and complexity. It would take quite a bit of time and manpower to create these things overnight. How is it that all are 'perfect'( only the patterns are removed but the outside perimeters remain completely undamaged) and there is no evidence of any group or device coming in or out of the area.

Theoretically they could be done with a computer programmed gps 'flying' mower, but so far, I don't think anyone has reported seeing any flying mowers around the sites. Most sites are observed 'clean' the day before and the circles appear the following morning. (that leaves about 8 hrs. to accomplish one circle and then disappear without a trace)

7/2/2009 10:39:51 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

tater79
Over 2,000 Posts (3,830)
Springfield, IL
age: 30


Quote from izzynotalone:
Do you have any real evidence (links or otherwise) besides your own disbelief to prove they are 'fake'?

The most amazing thing about the recent ones are their size and complexity. It would take quite a bit of time and manpower to create these things overnight. How is it that all are 'perfect'( only the patterns are removed but the outside perimeters remain completely undamaged) and there is no evidence of any group or device coming in or out of the area.

Theoretically they could be done with a computer programmed gps 'flying' mower, but so far, I don't think anyone has reported seeing any flying mowers around the sites. Most sites are observed 'clean' the day before and the circles appear the following morning. (that leaves about 8 hrs. to accomplish one circle and then disappear without a trace)


I'm sure we have technology to make those elaborate circles, plus they areas can be all marked out in advance, without anyone knowing about it...

We have tons of satilites in space right? surely if the government wanted too, they could see exactly how those were made, I'm sure many of them (crop circles)were in view of different satilites... JMO

7/2/2009 10:59:26 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from tater79:
I'm sure we have technology to make those elaborate circles, plus they areas can be all marked out in advance, without anyone knowing about it...We have tons of satilites in space right? surely if the government wanted too, they could see exactly how those were made, I'm sure many of them (crop circles)were in view of different satilites... JMO


yea the tech exists...So where's the evidence? ( esp. the satelite pics) and how are they made without any signs of entry or exit from the site? If several people were involved it seems rather likely that there would be at least some evidence of their movement into or out of the area. How is it that the perimeters of the circles are 'clean' without any damage to the adjacent crop or the rest of the field?

Why hasn't anyone reported the flying lawnmowers?....

7/2/2009 11:03:18 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


Probably made with microwaves. Just we, the common people do not know from who or why.

7/2/2009 11:14:53 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

gapeach7777
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,543)
Ball Ground, GA
age: 37


I watched a show on crop circles (Discovery Channel or something like that I think) and one of the land owners says he is in his fields every day, sees nothing, then boom..next morning a huge circle. There was also film (I realize it could have been doctored) of a landowner filming a white light that was "flying" around his field. Next morning there was crop circle and a government helicopter flying near the ground in his field.

I don't know who or what causes it but I find it very interesting.

7/2/2009 11:17:10 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

paclantchief
New Port Richey, FL
age: 59




7/2/2009 11:20:37 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 
march4
Cameron, MO
age: 41


Circles have appeared worldwide in wheat, oats, spinach, grass, peas, rice, linseed, maize, oil-seed rape, sunflowers, mustard, barley, sugar-beet, rye, and a multitude of other crops, most cereal artists prefer to concentrate upon just three. These are grown and harvested in a smooth, overlapping progression; oil-seed rape in April through May, barley throughout May and June, and wheat from June until early September. In this guide we will give you all the information you will need to work with these plants, and eventually, with a little practice, produce genuine, dowsable, scientifically proven un-hoaxable circles patterns.

Equipment
The tools you will need are relatively unsophisticated; a 30 metre surveyors tape - this is preferable to string which tends to tangle easily... a 1-2 metre board or plank with a rope attached to each end to form a loop - this is known as a stalk-stomper... dowsing rods - these should be made of copper, and purchased from an expensive new age shop, or, in an emergency, a couple of bent coat-hangers will do... and a plastic garden roller (available from reputable garden centres, or, if only for occasional use, these may be rented from tool-hire shops for about £2 a night). A luminous watch is also useful as a summer night can be surprisingly brief.

Preparation

Choose location depending upon visibility. A field rising up from the road, or a natural amphitheatre in full view of the road, make perfect circles sites.

Dowse potential location to establish earth energies. If a formation is located on a powerful ley-line this will satisfy later tests for genuineness, and aid in curative effects, healings, orgone accumulation, angelic visions, benign alien abduction experiences, and feelings of general well-being. WARNING - If the formation is situated contra-directionally to the flow of energy, this may result in the opposite effects; headaches, nausea, temporary limb-paralysis, aching joints, mental illness, deadly-orgone-radiation (DOR) exposure, demonic visions, negative abduction scenarios (memory loss, implant scarring, sore or bleeding anii, navels, and genitals, etc), and general disillusionment. With no condonement by the authors, this may be of interest to satanists.

Plan design to incorporate earth energies. Some of you may decide to work from a diagram, while others may wish to rely upon spontaniety... this is purely a matter of preference. Remember that a diagram may not be easily read in total darkness - it is important not to use a torch as this may be spotted by nearby crop watchers.

Once location and design have been decided, retire to a local pub and wait for darkness. If the location is in a well known circles-prone area you may be able to pick up useful intelligence on the plans of the crop watchers (cerealogists). These cerealogists are often very public about their intentions, freely giving information on their own view-points, hide-outs, equipment (whether or not they have access to infra-red image intensifiers, CB radio operating channels, etc. They often even divulge where they are putting their own circles, which may prove useful. It is not advisable to actually talk to these people as inwardly- spiralling arguments invariably develop which will eat into the time you have allotted to real circle-making. This might lead to a smaller event, therefore defeating the object of your argument.


The Drop Off
After ensuring that you haven't been followed from the pub, drive to the field and unload the roller and stalk-stomper (the measuring tape can be carried in a pocket or rucksack). Be careful to leave the equipment in a place easily recognisable in darkness - near a gate or large bush, for instance. Then drive to a sensible place and park. It is worth remembering that an empty vehicle may arouse suspicion if it's left in a lay-by or farm track, or lazily by the side of the field. Our own advice is to park in the nearest village close to other vehicles. Then, quietly and invisibly walk back to the field.


Creating the Formation
You will have already decided in your planning where in the field to start your formation. Move to this point using the relevant tram, or tractor line. REMEMBER - Criminal damage is an offence! Do not move through a field without using the tram-lines.

Ritual
Before starting, a simple ritual should be performed. Whilst not obligatory, this ritual will assist in causing minimal damage to individual stalks while the crop is being laid. Using a long, curved, razor-sharp blade, cut seven single stalks for every circle planned for the formation. Place each one between thumb and forefinger and stroke until the stem starts to bend. When the stems are bent at a right angle about two inches from their base, place each sheaf at the centre of each proposed circle. If this service is not performed, a greater ratio of breakage will occur. Cerealogists who find a sheaf of sharply cut stems within the finished formation tend to automatically see this as a sign of genuineness.

Genuineness
A formation will be deemed genuine if:

1. you are not caught making it.


2. the pattern represents a shape which leading cerealogists could regard as of symbolic importance, and, therefore, useful on the proselyting lecture circuit, e.g. mandalas, Atlantean script, etc.

Any particular formation might develop its own individual folklore if:

3. it is made in a field which cerealogists later claim to have been watching.


4. light phenomena is associated with it.


5. audio phenomena is associated with it, especially in conjunction with 'd'.


6. mysterious substances are found in it - particularly if these substances are subjected to scientific analysis and found to be, 'not of this earth'.


7. a publicised prediction is circulated beforehand (this practice, however, may result in the pattern being repeated in a neighbouring, or the same, field). n.b. if you do correctly predict a formation, or rash of formations, it is important, like all good mystics, to exude the public manner of an enigmatic... this may bring offers of fee-earning consultation, or invitations to lecture, etc.


8. see '2' above.

7/2/2009 11:45:28 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

moraldk325
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,424)
State College, PA
age: 45


Izzy...Do you remember when you predicted a major catastrophy for June, and when I called you on it, you said that if it didn't pan out, you'd stop?
IT'S JULY NOW.

7/2/2009 11:49:07 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

moraldk325
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,424)
State College, PA
age: 45


Quote from gapeach7777:
I watched a show on crop circles (Discovery Channel or something like that I think) and one of the land owners says he is in his fields every day, sees nothing, then boom..next morning a huge circle. There was also film (I realize it could have been doctored) of a landowner filming a white light that was "flying" around his field. Next morning there was crop circle and a government helicopter flying near the ground in his field.

I don't know who or what causes it but I find it very interesting.


Those white lights hovering just above the crops are what we backpackers refer to as "head lamps".

7/2/2009 11:50:25 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

gapeach7777
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,543)
Ball Ground, GA
age: 37


It wasn't attached to a person and it was broad daylight. Like I said I don't know, I just find it interesting.

Time to leave the office and start a loooooon weekend! You all have a great 4th!



[Edited 7/2/2009 12:01:17 PM PST]

7/2/2009 12:12:40 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from izzynotalone:
[And so—when it happens, everybody’s going to think “IZZY’s a PROPHET—HE SAW IT AHEAD OF TIME!” That’s what you’re counting on. voevode quote]

I have stated numerous times that I don’t consider myself or want anyone else to consider me a ‘prophet’.

And Jesus himself fled when they came to take him by force and make him a King. Your “humility” is in perfect keeping with a “Messiah” complex.

I am not sure why or what you think I am counting on either. (I am only counting on God) I have no ambition to be anything other than God’s servant. I don’t want anyone’s money or have any intention of profiting or loss from people’s actions, fears or opinions.

No—just their souls. And THAT is a far more valuable commodity.

IMO you are the one who is trying to make such a big deal out of nothing and LYING to folks so they will believe something negative about me,

It’s “Nothing” when you present yourself as having some kind of message from God—and EVERY ONE of your furshlugginer predictions fails to materialize?

And how can I be lying—WHEN I’M QUOTING YOU?

If there are any lies—it must be in the words I’m quoting—WHICH ARE YOURS!

(I have already clearly stated I am not a prophet.) I am not sure why you have such a cob up your ass, but I and others too, would appreciate it if you could remove it before you explode from being too full of shit…

Really! OTHERS?

Where are they? Name them if they exist.

Or they can always name themselves. And it’s not hard to email me.

I’m more than ready to listen to constructive criticism from others. But for some reason I haven’t received any from anybody.

Are you sure these OTHER people exist? Have they spoken to you? Have they complained to you, “GEEZ, IZZY—I wish that VOEVODE would just SHUT UP!”

Guess I’m just wondering why they’d come to you if they have a problem with me.

I have been ‘called’ to warn the sheep and to the best of my ability that is all I am doing, nothing more, nothing less.

I’m sure you have been called—I’ve called you a few choice ones, myself. [But curiously, just now, you didn’t say just WHO has called you.]

If you don’t care to take heed that is your business, but if you continue to insult then you are out of line

Then do something about it, why don’t you?

and hopefully others will see you for what you actually are…a lame a** naysayer with less credibility than myself..

Like I said, I’m more than happy to hear from others if they feel I’m going overboard. But I never blast someone unless there’s a good reason—and your fool’s prophecy, and your total obtuseness, and your absolute inability to “get it” MORE than qualify.

Still—you actually refer to yourself as having little credibility. When you yourself level such a judgment against yourself—don’t you think that should tell you something? Don’t you think you should wake up?

I’m not against anyone doing a lot of research like you have. What I have a problem with is the stupidity of your conclusions.

I’ve no problem with anyone who is trying to ‘warn’ the world. It’s just the way you’re coming off is no better than Chicken Little. You need a little, [okay—a LOT] of objectivity, here.



While Chicken Little felt he had proof that the sky was falling—all it really was, was an acorn.

Seriously—you need a little bit of critical thinking here.

You need to show “Point-by-point” how you arrive at your conclusions—if you want to be taken seriously. Give others the chance to examine your reasoning. Be open to the possibility that they might be seeing something that you’re not [like the possibility that it’s an acorn, and not the sky.]

Sure—no matter how good your stuff is, there are people who will still mock.

But ask yourself—is the hard time you’ve been getting from others, and myself due to your having a message from God—or because you sound like a Nutcase who refuses to listen to anybody—BECAUSE HE’S BEEN CALLED BY GOD?

You may not hold yourself to be a Prophet—BUT THAT’S HOW YOU COME ACROSS. And that turns people off—especially when YOU’VE BEEN WRONG, TIME AND TIME AGAIN!

Work with us here—there are those here who are willing to listen—IF you can objectively present your evidence. I’ll listen to what you have to say, and consider it. I get no pleasure from mocking the HELL OUT OF YOUR A** [well, that’s not true—I enjoy it immensely! But that’s only because in my eyes, you’ve deserved it.] I have never blasted ANYONE that didn’t earn it some way. Try coming across rationally and you might find my response also different. [And if they’re not—then others WILL SEE THAT I do have a problem—and BLAST MY A** as I will then have deserved.

According to the mayan end date and prophecy the trib should begin anytime. The first event is a limited nuclear exchange. Matt 24:21,22;

Let’s start with this.

First of all, can you demonstrate that there really IS any connection between the Mayan Calendar—and the Prophecies in the Bible—any conclusive evidence?

Second—you say flatly that Matt 24:21,22 refers to a nuclear exchange. Have you any conclusive evidence to prove that this is true? Because from where I’m sitting, it sounds like an opinion, and the fact that it is a reasonable opinion does not make it any less an opinion.

That is not my prophecy, that is what the bible says Jesus spoke.

Actually, we are dealing with two different things here—

[1] What Jesus said, and

[2] What you are interpreting Jesus to have meant, when he said.

I happen to believe God, you do whatever you think best...and I will do what I have been 'called' to do.

repent and turn to God for the end is not near...it is HERE!

Once again, I don’t do the Repentance Rigadoon. Let’s try to be a bit rational here. Your “calling” by God [or whatever it is] doesn’t give you special status. You aren’t in some special class and our purpose in life isn’t just to repent at your teachings. You’re not the Prophet Jonah—and we’re not the Assyrians.



Good thing too—the Assyrians were real BAD-ASS!





And guess what—they’re not just some dead empire out of the Bible—



The Assyrians are still here, and now:






7/2/2009 7:46:42 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 
bravehart64
Over 2,000 Posts (2,619)
Gainesville, FL
age: 45


Quote from izzynotalone:
Do you have any real evidence (links or otherwise) besides your own disbelief to prove they are 'fake'?

The most amazing thing about the recent ones are their size and complexity. It would take quite a bit of time and manpower to create these things overnight. How is it that all are 'perfect'( only the patterns are removed but the outside perimeters remain completely undamaged) and there is no evidence of any group or device coming in or out of the area.

Theoretically they could be done with a computer programmed gps 'flying' mower, but so far, I don't think anyone has reported seeing any flying mowers around the sites. Most sites are observed 'clean' the day before and the circles appear the following morning. (that leaves about 8 hrs. to accomplish one circle and then disappear without a trace)
try this one izzy ..Google crop circles debunked .Not to difficult is it ? You will see folks doing it and they will show you how you can do youre own .. otherwise I have more important things to occupy my grey matter with.. brave

7/2/2009 8:52:38 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from izzynotalone:

Why hasn't anyone reported the flying lawnmowers?....


why can't I show a flying lawn mower? ......

{Then do something about it, why don’t you?]
well mods...you gonna let him get away with that?



[Edited 7/2/2009 8:56:23 PM PST]

7/2/2009 8:53:58 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


Sorry brave -doing an net srch from your armchr dos not debunk crop circles. Lots of things are "debunked" and gullible people swallow it.

Listen to the experts in the field who are researching the circles. Most of the time a residual radiation is detected along with verifiable "microwave" damage in addition to bends and twists impossible to do manually.

The ligt phenomenom is real also and sometimes a small figure is observed inside the bubble. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

Yes occupy your grey matter with something else.

7/2/2009 8:56:36 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

librajason
Over 2,000 Posts (2,781)
Gateway, AR
age: 34


Quote from izzynotalone:
why can't I show a flying lawn mower? ......





That's exactly what happened last time I got pissed at my lawnmower

7/3/2009 7:55:24 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


something huge is going to happen....

According to the Mayan calendar and prophecy the tribulation is about to begin. The first event is a persecution such as never before in history (limited nuclear exchange?) and will never see again, but it will be shortened...how limited...that is the question?
(Daniel 7:8; this indicates Israel, Britain and the US will be eliminated.)

( the end of the calendar = nibiru, poleshift in 2012.)
Pole shift is described as the 6th seal, Rev 6;12-17; (placing June 09 as the beginning)
Matt 24:21-31; Jesus also foretells of the nuke exchange (21,22) and the poleshift (29)

Why am I telling you this?...Eze 2; I am 'called'

7/3/2009 8:17:30 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

tater79
Over 2,000 Posts (3,830)
Springfield, IL
age: 30


Isreal, will never be totally eliminated, Izzy... The last battle Isreal is in... then GOD intervenes.. then it's over.

All nations will gather around Isreal, Most American's think they we will be there to help Isreal, but I don't think we will be as a Country being behind them. The future is bleak(not looks bleak)jmo

7/3/2009 10:42:27 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


latest pics

This object is huge; and seems to be the size of Earth if not larger.
This object has so far been moving with constant velocity. If it was Mercury it should have immediately changed speed (observable difference) as soon as it moved "around" the Sun. If you calculate the speed of this object, and estimate the time it would take to move to the other extreme of the orbit. (that is on the left of the Sun), this object is moving much faster and doesn't seem to correlate with the Time Period of Mercury's revolution around the Sun.
Thirdly, if you observe the object closely you would see its luminosity being erratic and it has a kind of "aura" (of light) around it that constantly changes around it. This doesn't seem to be Mercury.

Mercury is not due to come into view until the 6th of July.

If no one has the proof or even an educated idea of where Mercury is on one side and someone else claims that it is not due for a couple days on the other side...
Well, the idea that this is clearly Mercury, does not seem as solid as it should be.

7/3/2009 5:23:58 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

twohawks
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,860)
Bothell, WA
age: 70


Ten bucks says there is nothing headed toward the sun. Twenty bucks says Crop circles have nothing to do with this at all. There is not a Human on this planet that can read what crop circles say.

7/3/2009 5:32:48 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

plaidflannel
Green Isle, MN
age: 46


Quote from twohawks:
Ten bucks says there is nothing headed toward the sun. Twenty bucks says Crop circles have nothing to do with this at all. There is not a Human on this planet that can read what crop circles say.

OOh my opinion is some drunk aliens saying,"Let's go F**k with their heads,we'll go do some graffitti."
they all look like this



[Edited 7/3/2009 5:33:45 PM PST]

7/3/2009 10:07:03 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 
groundchuck
Lincoln, NE
age: 43


July 7th is a date heathens celebrate.

7/4/2009 2:55:24 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

barbaque
Over 1,000 Posts (1,313)
Marble Falls, TX
age: 60


QUICK everyone run out and buy a smart car so we can prevent this from happening ,and turn on your fans and shut off all your power that is generated by coal or oil,OH NO WAIT the sun is going to explode and we won't have any solar power.DRILL for oil mine for coal quick hurry!!!I'll worry about it later gotta pay taxes now!!

7/4/2009 8:43:32 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


I know you all want to play but do you have to act stupid in order to play? There is an unknown object you morons, did any of you figure out what it is?

asteroid iris7
Its looks like it could be this object > link to www.rasnz.org.nz except it was reported to be as big as earth?

Iris at Opposition in 2009
Iris will be in Sagittarius when it brightens to magnitude 9.5 early in June 2009. It is at opposition on July 4 with a magnitude 8.7. After opposition it fades again back to 9.5 in mid August. The distance of Iris from the Sun varies between 1.833 and 2.937 AU, so that at the most favourable oppositions the asteroid is about 0.83 AU from the Earth. At the 2009 opposition the distance of Iris from the Sun is 2.58 AU and 1.56 AU from the Earth. So the 2009 opposition is an average sort of affair. At the poorest oppositions, eg in May 2012, Iris' brightest magnitude is 9.5. At the best oppositions it can be as bright as 6.7. No such opposition will occur in the near future. Iris's diameter is 200 km. Its orbital period is 3.68 years, the orbit being inclined at 5.527° to the ecliptic. Iris was discovered in 1847 on August 13 by J R Hinds in London. This was his first asteroid discovery.

Some still say it is mercury, but then just one question for you: what is this new object that is now approaching the sun.

If this is mercury - 26.06.2009
What is this - 03.07.2009 ??

This was predicted by crop circles in the last few days. And scientists believe they are trying to warn us about something on 7th july. a CME (coronal mass ejection) from sun or a solar flare? and now a new sunspot is forming. This sunspot is growing and sending small solar flares... but if it grows it can damage our satellites, GPS TV, internet, lights.... weather.. earthquakes...

new crop circle july 4th It's a countdown... 3 days to go. 2 (days)... then 'the event' on the 3rd day.

Are the crop circles right about solar storm 7th July? Sunspot 1024 has at least a dozen individual dark cores...and is growing rapidly and crackling with B-class solar flares. The magnetic polarity of the sunspot identifies it as a member of new Solar Cycle 24. Readers with solar telescopes should train their optics on the sun's Southern Hemisphere to witness sunspot genesis in action.

7/4/2009 12:46:53 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


Actually there is an Australian scientist who studies crop circles.

The article on the July 7th event is at earthfiles.com -look under archives and then "Astronomical information from the UK".

It's all there in black and white. What we may be dealing with - if we can believe these mathamatical formations - is a solar fare combined with a CME-coronal mass ejection. It may come as close as lunar orbit. Too close for comfort.

Could be the start of something.

7/4/2009 1:50:13 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from izzynotalone:
(Daniel 7:8; this indicates Israel, Britain and the US will be eliminated.)

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

[Daniel 7:8]

I would like to know how you get the idea that Israel, Britain and the U.S. are the exact 3 countries that Daniel is referring to.

Can you give your specific reasons for believing this—and can you back up this up in rational fashion?

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

[Job 38:1-2]

Tell me, Alvis—for all wights' fate
I deem that, dwarf, thou knowest -

[THOR in the Elder Edda, Alvismal 9]

Seriously, IZZY—not meant to tear you apart [I’m done with that]—just curious how you arrived at those particular countries, and not, say—Spain, Portugal and Turkey.




7/4/2009 7:19:12 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from twohawks:
There is not a Human on this planet that can read what crop circles say.

OOH! OOH! I can read what that one says!



And that one!



And that one, too!



I’m not sure I want to read what that one says!






7/5/2009 6:47:06 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


Quote from jongeo:
Actually there is an Australian scientist who studies crop circles.

The article on the July 7th event is at earthfiles.com -look under archives and then "Astronomical information from the UK".

It's all there in black and white. What we may be dealing with - if we can believe these mathamatical formations - is a solar fare combined with a CME-coronal mass ejection. It may come as close as lunar orbit. Too close for comfort.

Could be the start of something.


We'll soon know.

7/5/2009 8:20:32 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from voevode:
Seriously, IZZY—not meant to tear you apart [I’m done with that]—just curious how you arrived at those particular countries, and not, say—Spain, Portugal and Turkey.


your far from done u lying jagoff... your not curious you are just looking for another 'angle' of attack....

israel britain US in prophecy

ASK THE LORD FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS ,ASK THE SPIRIT OF GOD INTO YOUR HEART, AND ASK GOD TO HELP YOU CHANGE YOUR WAYS AS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND

7/5/2009 1:34:38 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from nle09:
Mr Iz your articles interest me greatly. I appreciated your article in reference to 7/11 and the numerology that comes with that. In regards to July 7th do most folks here know what happened 7/7/05

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7/7 was England's 9/11
Anyone with a brain knows this for some years now, already. You can't have a training drill for a specific event, specific time, specific place and then, magicly, the specific event, time, and place happens ON THE VERY INSTANT AND LOCATION OF THE DRILL FOR IT. 7/7 was a murderous inside job. Same at 9/11

The story of 7/7 that we have come to accept was pieced together: four British Muslims - Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Jermaine Lindsay, 19, and Hasib Hussain, 18 - blew themselves up using home-made explosives, killing 56 and injuring 700 on three Tube trains and a double-decker bus. They had traveled on a mainline train from Luton into King's Cross Thameslink Station in London, each carrying a heavy rucksack of explosives.
It is a version of events that has been endorsed by a high-level Parliamentary inquiry and a government report, both published in May 2006 ten months after the event, based on 12,500 statements, a police examination of 142 computers and 6,000 hours of CCTV footage. The report insisted that the bombers acted on their own, constructing explosives from chapatti flour and hair bleach mixed in the bath at a flat in Leeds, Yorkshire, where all four had family and friends. It concluded that the Muslim bombers were not controlled by a terrorist mastermind, but inspired by Al Qaeda ideology picked up on extremist websites.

7/5/2009 3:42:18 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jewelz5
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,659)
Monteagle, TN
age: 55


jongeo:

Actually there is an Australian scientist who studies crop circles. The article on the July 7th event is at earthfiles.com -look under archives and then "Astronomical information from the UK".

It's all there in black and white. What we may be dealing with - if we can believe these mathamatical formations - is a solar fare combined with a CME-coronal mass ejection. It may come as close as lunar orbit. Too close for comfort.

Could be the start of something. We'll soon know.

You need to read my thread in the Religion forum " Here comes the Sun-God". It is exactly what is going on with the Sun and the ascension process. Tied together with other information about what the Mayans knew. It's entirely too much information for you to put together in your mind, because you don't have enough time in the day to assemble the pieces to a multi-dimensional puzzle.

You don't understand what is going on with crop circles, it is simply communication, you don't need a scientist who studies crop circles to tell you. But then again, that is the problem, you actually do because you unfortunatly don't know how to make up your own mind about anything.

These crop circles were all done by Bill & Bob with a lawnmower one Saturday night after a few beers.



7/5/2009 3:59:12 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


quote from izzynotalone

Quote from voevode:
Seriously, IZZY—not meant to tear you apart [I’m done with that]—just curious how you arrived at those particular countries, and not, say—Spain, Portugal and Turkey.


your far from done u lying jagoff... your not curious you are just looking for another 'angle' of attack....

No, seriously—I am done with attacks on you. This doesn’t mean that I no longer believe such attacks are undeserved—nor that I’m apologizing for anything I’ve said in the past [they were very well deserved]—it simply means I have no further wish to “respond in kind.”

I was actually curious as to how you arrived at your conclusion as to which countries were referred to in the prophecy. You’ve provided a link. Good. It’s a good thing to do this, because people are not just sheep who will follow what someone tells them—simply because they are in a position of authority [or imagine themselves to be].

That last comment is not meant to be a put down—but to state what I believe to be a fact. The prophecies you have quoted [and their method of fulfillment] have not panned out. This is simply observation. If you did have any true spiritual authority, I think you would have the fulfilled prophecy to go along with it.

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

[Deuteronomy 18:22]

So people need something of substance. You’ve provided a link—I followed it and

Herbert W. Armstrong. World Wide Church of God. Anglo-Israelism. A well-known heresy with no further backing to it, than the Mormons with Joseph Smith’s historical fiction.

Here’s a little of the reason I find the man so completely F.O.S.

One of the “proofs” he used to demonstrate that the inhabitants of Britain were descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel, was in the very word, “BRITISH.”

He said that in Hebrew, the word “BRITH” [as in B’nai Brith] meant, “covenant.” And the Hebrew word for man was, “ISH.” [This is true.] He reasoned, therefore that “BRITISH,” meant “MAN OF THE COVENANT.”

There’s one big problem with that—Grammar.

“BRIT,” and “ISH’ are both nouns.

But the word, “BRITISH” is made up of a noun and a suffix that turns that noun into an adjective.

The “BRIT” part of the word is a root that derives from the name “BRITAIN”—this is indeed a noun.

But the “ISH” part is merely a suffix that clarifies the root and modifies it. Any time you have an “ISH” ending to a word, it means that the word is describing some kind of quality possessed by the root word.

Thus, “BRITISH” refers to something that has the qualities associated with BRITAIN.

“ISH” is also a suffix used in verbs of French origin, like finish, or punish. If Armstrong’s reasoning was correct, it would mean that finish doesn’t mean to complete something—it means a man from Finland!. Or punish would actually mean a man from the Punjab in India—and not a reward fitting for someone who mangles etymology like that.

Even if Armstrong’s etymology was correct, Anglo-Israelism is simply his theory. It has no real proof behind it. It cannot be proved from the Bible. One can assign certain meanings to things in the Bible [like that the Danish people are descended from the Lost Tribe of Dan]—one can even follow these through consistently. But if they are not based on the truth, it doesn’t matter how logical and consistent they are.

For instance, let’s take Dan. The name sounds really close to Denmark. Certainly it’s possible that the name came from there. But it’s just as certainly not provable. One can choose to believe that—if he wishes—but his belief gives him no authority to proclaim that it is true. [No more than Linus’ belief in the Great Pumpkin proved that there was a Great Pumpkin.]

Legitimate sources credit the origin of the name either to the Daner or (Dani), a North Germanic Tribe. They are mentioned in the 6th century in Jordanes' Getica—or different kings, each named Dan. The Chronicle of Lejre (Chronicon Lethrense) written about 1170 introduces a primeval King Ypper of Uppsala, one of whose three sons was Dan, who afterwards ruled Denmark.

The Eddic poem Rigsthula, tells how the god Ríg (said to be Heimdall), fathered a mortal son named Jarl [noble] later known as Ríg-Jarl. Ríg-Jarl had eleven sons, the youngest of which bore the name Kon the Young (Old Norse Konr Ungr), this name understood to be the origin of the title konungr 'king', though the etymology is in fact untenable. One day, as he was hunting and snaring birds in the forest, a crow spoke to him and suggested he would gain more by going after men, and praised the wealth of "Dan and Danp". The poem breaks off incomplete at that point.

According to Arngrímur Jónsson's Latin epitome of the lost Skjöldungasaga made in 1597:
Ríg (Rigus) was a man not the least among the great ones of his time. He married the daughter of a certain Danp [Old Norse Danpr], lord of Danpsted, whose name was Dana; and later, having won the royal title for his province, left as his heir his son by Dana, called Dan or Danum, all of whose subjects were called Danes.
The name is also derived from a word meaning "flat land", related to German Tenne "threshing floor", English den [cave], Sanskrit dhánu? [desert].

By the same reasoning of the similarity in sound, of the names, we could say that there must be a connection between Syria and ancient Assyria. Maybe there is—but I’ve never seen any proof of it.

Anglo-Israelism is only a possible scenario for what might have happened. [And there are people far more familiar with it, who might give it even less of the benefit of the doubt than I do.]

I read an excellent article that made connections between fictional histories. It created links between J.R.R. Tolkien’s Fourth Age of Middle Earth with Robert E. Howard’s [Conan] Hyborian Age.. Gondor in Middle Earth, became the antecedent of Grondar in Howard’s Pre-Catyclysmic Age. The writer went even so far as to say that the Hobbits migrated out of Middle Earth into another dimension—and became the ancestors of the Munchkins of Oz!

It was entertaining—it was plausible—and it was completely fictional.




7/5/2009 3:59:23 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


u lying jagoff... your not curious you are just looking for another 'angle' of attack

Now, about me being a lying jagoff...

[1] I don’t lie.

[2] I don’t jagoff. [I don’t hold there to be anything intrinsically wrong with the practice—it’s just not my choice to do it.

I told you the truth—I was curious as to where you got that idea. And you gave me an answer, like I asked. In my opinion, Herbert W. Armstrong is not worth very much, and I’ve mentioned some of the reasons. You can consider this an attack on you [because you support his ideas], if you like. Certainly, you’re free to give me reasons why you find him convincing. Don’t expect me to just automatically accept your ideas—I’ll judge those ideas on their merits—I don’t accept anything just because a great number of people consider it to be devine.

But I will consider what you have to say. You offered that link on Bill Clinton’s name adding up to 666 in Hebrew and Greek. I’d been thinking that you were just bluffing with that and that there wasn’t anything like that. But I was wrong there. So I give you credit for that piece of info.

But like I said [and hopefully demonstrated], in itself it’s little more than a curiosity. I mean—it’s far more sophisticated than Ronald Wilson Reagan being the AntiChrist because he has six letters in each of his three names—granted that! But I think we’ll find [after Bill Clinton’s death] that it really had no greater significance than that of the other dead president.]

IZZY—I know you believe these things—and my refusal [and others’ refusal] to believe them feels like a personal attack—but how would you respond to a man that kept on telling you the Earth was flat? What would your response be if he kept on insisting on it—regardless of all evidence to the contrary? What would you think of the man’s intelligence?

Or how would you react to a man who in all seriousness proclaimed that 2+2=5? And if you denied what he was saying, he starts quoting from the Bible—telling you to repent your mathematical heresy?

Now, you can take anything I say as if it’s an attack.

As long as you continue to post material with such flimsy proof—I will rebut it, if evidence permits.

You can even consider such responses as a personal attack, if you want. But my responses have always been against the foolishness of what you post—but if you support and approve that foolishness—well, you’ve got to expect some negative feedback.

If it was personal, though—I’d lambaste you whatever you posted. Because then, the issue wouldn’t be about what you were posting—but about you personally.

But I would rather see reasoned dialogue. This doesn’t mean that I’ll probably be any more accepting of what you say—but at least I will be able to see the thought you’ve put into it. And that I can respect—even if I might not agree with the conclusions of that thought.

So, for my own reasons I am attempting to speak more evenly. Take it however you will—but this is not meant to be an attack. I don’t need to do that anymore.


Finally—I have no sins that need forgiveness. And I would say—based on your response to me, you are in far greater need of asking the Lord into your heart than I am into mine. Despite my responses to you [which I hold you were deserving of], as a follower of Christ you were commanded [in many places] to respond differently than you did.

being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
Being defamed, we intreat:

[I Corinthians 4:12-13 [in part]]

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

[Matthew 5:38-48]

And I’ve already changed those ways. There’s no need to stomp all over somebody. All I need do is make my point—calmly and rationally—I’ll let the Truth speak for me [if I have the Truth].

It is beneath Odin’s Way to continually hack at a defeated enemy. To the best of my ability I will follow Odin’s way.

I would suggest you do the same for your God.




7/5/2009 5:30:51 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from voevode:
Finally—I have no sins that need forgiveness. And I would say—based on your response to me, you are in far greater need of asking the Lord into your heart than I am into mine. Despite my responses to you [which I hold you were deserving of], as a follower of Christ you were commanded [in many places] to respond differently than you did.


U are as vulgar as u r longwinded, your own words condemn you.

Jeremiah 14:20 New Living Translation (NLT)
Lord, we confess our wickednessand that of our ancestors, too.We all have sinned against you.
Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:12 King James Version (KJV)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Each child that is born in this country, automatically "owes" the fed $150,000 or more, I forget the number. We can not even begin to pay the interest charges on the debt we owe, and the collateral is "we the people", our national parks, our water, our infrastructure, (Chicago sold it’s parking spaces/meters to a ‘private’ company, it now costs:
Loop: $3.50 an hour
*Near North, Near West and Near South: $2 an hour
Lincoln Park: $1 an hour *North Side: $1 an hour Feb. 20-28.
*West Side: $1 an hour
*South Side: $1 an hour
The $1-an-hour charges will mean a quadrupling of the cost to park at two-thirds of the meters in the city. The city sold a revenue stream worth trillions for just over a billion to Chicago Parking Meters LLC, a subsidiary of Morgan Stanley. Once the initial sale money runs out, the bulk of the revenue will no longer be available to replenish public infrastructure. http://www.progressillinois.com/2009/6/23/columns/welty-curb-enthusiasm

Is it not realistic to think that big league politicians, bankers, and CEOs are loyal to no nation when they were massively enriched by internationalized banking, internationalized trade, absurd and illegal taxation, and by interest rates forced upon the people of this nation, while at the same time selling our nation to other central banks around the world and “private parties” - and for personal profit? Truth is, they sold the infrastructure first, and then they sold we the people as tax generators and life-long human resources to their global banking and business partners in crime.
What is the crime, you ask? The Federal Reserve, which is a piece of a global banking cartel, and their politicians and CEO partners who made counterfeiting and Ponzi/pyramid schemes legalized theft on continental scales. Your country is 1) not your country and, 2) not what you thought it was for at least 100 years. You are going to have to seek God’s grace to be relieved from the bitterness of that truth. Today, we don’t know under whose authority we live, but Washington, D.C. and the Federal Reserve do know.
Big, big changes are on the horizon. All I can tell you is: Prepare yourselves because Obama spoke the truth. It is all about “infrastructure.” The promised change has arrived. The question is this: who owns America? Who have the American people been committed to serving and beneath what form of government?
We can pretty much assume that Asia owns a very large chunk of America, as does Great Britain, India, Middle Eastern countries, and perhaps Mexico and Canada, as well. We can also assume that Martial Law armies will be guarding all the sold “assets” during what could be an extraordinary and massively tyrannical transfer of power. The love of money is the root of all evil. No truer words were ever spoken.

Nibiru is just the 'icing on the cake'.



[Edited 7/5/2009 5:32:06 PM PST]

7/5/2009 5:43:18 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

twohawks
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,860)
Bothell, WA
age: 70


And remember......Mr. Izzy has discovered "God" and that makes him perfect, but the rest of us are no account sinners. But that's ok! The alleged Christ (And there is no proof that he ever existed) "died" for our sins. Evidently that didn't work too well. We are all still sinning.

7/5/2009 10:26:28 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


This thread is going all over the place.

I'm not sure about any objects but I am sure about real science and real scientists looking at recent crop circles in England.

The site I ref is earthfiles.com. Articles in archives on Milk Hill-July 2 and Astronomical information from UK on May 12th.

Linda Moulton Howe's copywrite policy is to allow article to be summerized with web ref and copywrite policy.

I'm not going to try that to any major extent because there is a fair amount of astronomical calculations.

Briefly though, according to the scientists several CME's(coronal mass ejections) will be emitted and have an impact on earth. Several crop circles give planetary positions.

Their deciphering of the symbols may not be exact -but the science is pretty convincing.

Please don't hijack this thread to rant on your own agenda.



[Edited 7/5/2009 10:46:14 PM PST]

7/5/2009 10:33:09 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

azmetalfan
Mesa, AZ
age: 31


Things happen all the time in space that we can't or don't understand. Also everytime a solar event happens people freak out and don't realize the solar flares are an everyday thing. That does not mean the world will come to an end on July 7th or any other day soon.

7/5/2009 11:18:41 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

travalone
Strafford, MO
age: 57 online now!


Quote from groundchuck:
July 7th is a date heathens celebrate.


I'm not sure my sister would appreciate that statement since July 7th is her birthday. And she is definitly NOT a heathen.

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I have always found the crop circle phenomenon interesting and the one thing that strikes me is the unexplained energy fields found in some circles. These energy fields seem to only be present in the crop circles that defy explanation.

Obviously, alot of the circles are man made, but what about the others. Quite a few of them are much too intricate to have been created over night by pranksters.

I do wonder why an unknown force (some might call it an alien force) would create a crop circle that looks like a Jewish Menorah. That one, I'll bet is man made.

But, don't ask me why any of this happens, I have no explanation for it either.

There is a incredible amount about this universe that no one has been able to explain. I sometimes wonder if mankind will last long enough to even scratch the surface.

JMHO ..... Mike

7/5/2009 11:29:04 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jewelz5
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,659)
Monteagle, TN
age: 55


Who are the circle makers?- 5 min - Educate yourself / plain and simple, yet so very complicated to wrap your mind around.



7/6/2009 2:21:15 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

hotvegas3
North Las Vegas, NV
age: 36


Absolutely nothing will happen on July 7th, end of story. Thread closed.

7/6/2009 7:01:33 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

twohawks
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,860)
Bothell, WA
age: 70


Quote from hotvegas3:
Absolutely nothing will happen on July 7th, end of story. Thread closed.


Actually something will happen on July 7th. Midnight will come around and it will become July 8th.

7/6/2009 7:18:08 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


Hey Jewelz can you post that youtube address or detail-can't view it from this thread

7/6/2009 8:04:02 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


OK I just watched a vid by that title with an English girl talking,channeling?the answer. It says we the collective consciousness are the makers.

This sounds like higher plane mischief. In other words a person can become virtually possessed by these spirits who have only a slight advantage? over us. Are they stuck?

Anyone can make up that sort of mumble jumble oooo! Ahhh!

What this thread is about is crop circles and is the math reliable. I'm not tying in end of world and religion here -Izzy is doing that. I'm trying to keep it simple -I can see people are have trouble following my simple premise - crop circle math -actual event.

Now I do know of that web predictor that looks at the web and comes up with indications of this or that. I know consciousness spans across time.

The video also said "as they are directed to do" without saying how is our consciouness directed. Why England?

Spaceweather.com has information on some new really hot sunspot activity.

You nay sayers can start packin. You imagine the odds on your side an they are but already we see increased sun activity after a very long quiet time.

7/6/2009 8:59:49 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from twohawks:
And remember......Mr. Izzy has discovered "God" and that makes him perfect, but the rest of us are no account sinners. But that's ok! The alleged Christ (And there is no proof that he ever existed) "died" for our sins. Evidently that didn't work too well. We are all still sinning.


2 Peter 2:18 New International Version (NIV)
For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.

Psalm 50:19 King James Version (KJV)
Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
Psalm 50:18-20 New Living Translation (NLT)
Your mouth is filled with wickedness,and your tongue is full of lies.

Just because I seek God does not make me perfect, I have never said I am without sin. But I will say you are a liar.

Is there any scientific proof of God?
Before we can discuss the existence of scientific proof of God, we need to identify what we mean by proof. Also, to know what type of evidence supporting the existence of God would be considered by science, we also need to know which definition of science applies.

The definition of science has changed within the last century from an overall search for truth to a more limited scope of natural explanations of natural processes. Using the current narrow scope definition, there is not any scientific proof of God. The truth or untruth of this statement is not based upon evidence or lack of evidence, but by definition alone. Even though there is extensive, solid evidence for God’ s existence, none of that evidence would be admissible in the science court of law using the current definition.

Consequently, to know what evidence really supports the existence of God, we need to base our statements on the old classic definition of science to eliminate the disqualification of the evidence. The kind of evidence we need to consider is the same type that would be admissible in a court of law.

The level of proof is different in a criminal court than a civil court. In a civil court the prosecution only needs to prove that the preponderance of evidence tips the scales in their direction. Alternatively, in a criminal court a higher level of proof is required. The prosecutor needs to provide evidence that proves the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

What types of evidence are admissible in courtrooms? These include direct evidence such as fingerprints, DNA, or eyewitness accounts. Also, circumstantial evidence is normally admissible unless it is abnormally weak. Although circumstantial evidence is indirect, it can be powerful evidence to prove guilt or innocence.

Scientific Proof of God – The Evidence
What evidence exists that could prove the existence or non-existence of God? Does God exist?

First, the non-existence of God cannot be proven. One cannot prove a universal negative. Alternatively, the existence of God is provable.

The concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer.

Both direct and indirect evidence for God’s existence are well known and well documented. Nothing in history is better known or better documented than the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We even use the year of His birth as the basis for our calendar. He perfectly matched the over 100 unique Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament regarding His birth, life, death, and resurrection. The laws of probability cannot give us a reasonable explanation for either the Messianic predictions or the resurrection, let alone both by the same person.

Jesus’ miracles were witnessed by many and were documented redundantly for additional corroboration. He was seen by at least 500 people after His resurrection. He was seen ascending into heaven. His transfiguration was seen by Peter, James, and John. His wisdom in dealing with many circumstances was astounding. He never promoted Himself or His miracles. C. S. Lewis stated that He couldn’t have just been a good teacher. He was either a liar, lunatic, or Lord. He didn’t even come close to meeting the profile of a liar or lunatic, so He had to be God.

Jesus Christ also supported the truth of the Old Testament and quoted it many times. Consequently, with Jesus Christ, we have an eyewitness to the truth of the Old Testament. This gives credibility to the creation account and God’s interaction with man. The entire Old Testament account is about how God is trying to have a relationship with man while man is separating himself from God by sin. It tells how God is long-suffering and merciful and ultimately how God sent His Son to die for our sins so God could ultimately have a relationship with us.

God’s interaction with man in the Old Testament was often and powerful. Some of the main interactions included Adam, Cain, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, the Israelites, the prophets, and the kings. In addition to Jesus’ testimony to the truth of the Old Testament, ancient manuscripts, archaeology, and internal consistency also testify to its truth. Consequently, much direct evidence including eyewitness accounts and indirect evidence corroborate the existence of God and the truth of the Bible.

As humans, we rely on archaeology as one of the main sources of uncovering history.
Archaeological proof of God

There seems to be quite a bit of 'evidence' supporting the bible and the resurrection, and there is considerably more than what I have posted here. On the other hand, the only thing supporting your statements is your lying mouth.
"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. Einstein,



sorry to sidetrack this thread but, I just can't let something like, (The alleged Christ And there is no proof that he ever existed) go by uncontested.



[Edited 7/6/2009 9:04:12 AM PST]

7/9/2009 9:00:38 AMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from izzynotalone:
quote from voevode
Finally—I have no sins that need forgiveness. And I would say—based on your response to me, you are in far greater need of asking the Lord into your heart than I am into mine. Despite my responses to you [which I hold you were deserving of], as a follower of Christ you were commanded [in many places] to respond differently than you did.
U are as vulgar as u r longwinded, your own words condemn you.

And if my posts were in agreement with everything you say—would they be long winded then?

In all my long winded post, you found only one thing worth quoting—the one thing you felt you could withstand me with Scriptural backing. It is, after all, the Christian’s ambition to have these Scriptures fulfilled in them:

For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

[Luke 21:15]

Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

[Titus 1:11]

But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

[I Corinthians 14:24-25]

Well done, thou good and faithful servant.

I noticed that along with my statement about not having any sin that needed forgiving, you left out the Scriptural passages I quoted. An oversight, certainly. I’ll quote the whole passage for you again:

Finally—I have no sins that need forgiveness. And I would say—based on your response to me, you are in far greater need of asking the Lord into your heart than I am into mine. Despite my responses to you [which I hold you were deserving of], as a follower of Christ you were commanded [in many places] to respond differently than you did.

being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
Being defamed, we intreat:

[I Corinthians 4:12-13 [in part]]

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

[Matthew 5:38-48]

It seems you’re quick to pounce on me where you feel I’m in violation of the Scriptures—but you’re not so quick to respond when accusations are leveled against you.

Why is that, IZZY? Were the Scriptures I quoted not appropriate? Have your responses to me been truly Christian ones? Were you truly speaking the Truth in Love?

“U are as vulgar as u r longwinded”
“u lying jagoff”
“you get uglier with each word you utter”
“You are such an obnoxious hypocrite”

Perhaps you didn’t respond because no answer is possible. Let’s put it this way—by your own words, you are far more condemned before your God than I am. I’m not a believer. I’m not expected to show Christ to the world.

What’s your excuse?

Now I will answer your accusations:

You say my own words condemn me. My words which say, “I have no sins that need forgiveness.” To prove your point you post three Scripture verses. These are my responses.

Jeremiah 14:20 New Living Translation (NLT)
Lord, we confess our wickednessand that of our ancestors, too.We all have sinned against you.

Jeremiah was a Jew. He was writing to the nation of Israel. The Jews did not proselytize.
I am not a Jew. I am therefore not subject to the Laws of the God of Israel.

Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

John specifically spells out what sin actually is:

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

[I John 3:]

Therefore—I do not commit sin, because not being a Jew, I am not subject to the Law of the God of Israel.

The Christian conception is that before the Law of Moses there was no law anywhere on the Earth. This is untrue. The Code of Hammurabi, for instance can be traced back to 1790 B.C. This was several centuries before the Mosaic Law existed.

But the concept of sin is something entirely different from the concept of evil, in any other culture. The Judeo-Christian concept is that sinful man is totally depraved and spiritually bankrupt. He doesn’t just do evil out of a failure to make the right moral choice—he is utterly incapable of making that choice. Man is evil through and through and there’s not a damned thing he can do about it!

The Code of Hammurabi did not set forth an inhuman standard that no man could possibly obey—that was not its purpose. Hammurabi’s code [like most legal systems] was there to bring order to the society.

But Moses’ Law was created for a completely different reason:

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

[Romans 3:19]

Its purpose was to bring slavery to man.

to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile

[Romans 2:10 [in part]]

This it has done by getting Man to accept a story in which he is the villain!—the Archenemy—who deserves everything he gets.

Romans 5:12 King James Version (KJV)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Thus people have been hoodwinked into thinking they’re guilty simply for being born!

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

[Psalm 51:5]

But there are those of us who will not bow our necks to such tyranny—simply because the weak and cowardly are stupid enough to believe a book which they think gives them the authority to tell us to.




7/9/2009 12:02:21 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

travalone
Strafford, MO
age: 57 online now!


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!

July 7th came and went without a wimper.

Or did I miss some earth shattering event?

Maybe the crop circles ment July 7, 2010

Yea, that's probably it. they ment July 7th of next year.

Oh Well, I hope to be alive then (but accidents do happen) so I guess I'll just have to wait and see.


Mike

7/9/2009 12:06:57 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


Quote from voevode:
But there are those of us who will not bow our necks to such tyranny—simply because the weak and cowardly are stupid enough to believe a book which they think gives them the authority to tell us to.


Satan can appear as being of light and that is what you are trying to do. You are 'testing' me. (in front of an audience) That is why I ignor your posts and all I have to say to your evil ambition is:

Obedience to every word of god is what we need, do not put the Lord to a foolish test,
(so I refuse to argue with you), Worship only the Lord. Obey only Him.

7/9/2009 12:19:05 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

noredneckhere
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,120)
Knoxville, TN
age: 49


Quote from travalone:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!

July 7th came and went without a wimper.

Or did I miss some earth shattering event?

Maybe the crop circles ment July 7, 2010

Yea, that's probably it. they ment July 7th of next year.

Oh Well, I hope to be alive then (but accidents do happen) so I guess I'll just have to wait and see.


Mike


Well, YOU being a NON-BELIEVER, without a tinfoil hat, obviously missed it !!!!!

I did too !!!!!!




7/9/2009 12:33:15 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


concerning the date 7/11/09 due to its relation to the end-point of the Mayan calendar, (1,260 days before).
Steve Quayle's recent interviews with Tom Horn have touched on this but Tom is focused more on the possibility that 12/21/2012 is the starting point and not the mid-point of the last week of Daniel. (7 year tribulation)
It is very clear that the United States Great Seal points to the year 2016. It may be the end-point or it may be the mid-point.
However,July 11th clearly marks 1,260 days before the time of year of "giving gifts and making merry" when the two witnesses are killed. Revelation 11:3
This would be Christmas in 2012:
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Revelation 11:10
If we measure 1,260 days after 12/21/2012, the date falls on June 4th 2016 and would not fit the middle of the 7 years aligning with Christmas. Christmas is the time of the birth of Horus, or Apollo as Tom Horn has outlined. It is a perfect statement of the Illuminati that the Antichrist would take up reign in the temple of God on this date.
Revelation 11 not only clearly marks the 1,260 day prophecy of the two witnesses at the beginning of the 7 year tribuation, it also describes the temple mount divided between the gentiles and the Jews. In fact, when the dimensions of the temple of Ezekiel are superimposed on the temple mount to the north of the Muslim Dome of the Rock, there is a space of about on reed between them. The outer court, or court of the gentiles is left out!
Revelation 11:1,2 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.(1,260 days)
This scenario is being prepared:
ROME (LifeSiteNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI is expected to meet with President Obama at the Vatican July 10 starting at 4 p.m., reports the Catholic News Service today.
The long -expected meeting will take place after President Obama attends a G8 summit July 8-10 in the Italian town of L'Aquila.
Concerning this meeting, Barry Chamish wrote:
"On July 10, Pres. Obama attends the final session of the G8 gathering in Rome and then meets the "ex"-Nazi pope Benedict XVI. There, a proclamation will be forthcoming, outlining the end of Israel. PM Netanyahu has been running around Paris and Rome trying to short-circuit the fateful event but to no avail. At this meeting, the world, EU, UN, Quartet, CFR...all the real decision makers, will give Israel the final ultimatum...Clear the "settlements," divide Jerusalem, because, if not, Israel will suffer the wrath of a total war; economic, financial, and finally, a military attack on the country. BY EVERYONE.
By dividing Jerusalem, the problem of the temple mount comes into play. The only solution that fits prophecy is the dividing of the temple mount itself. The setting up a the 3rd temple is the foremost goal of the Illuminati.
The event that I am anticipating on July 11th is this temple mount solution... the confirming of a covenant with "many".
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
The event that I am anticipating on July 11th is this temple mount solution... the confirming of a covenant with "many".
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
It is this confirmation that begins the last 7 years of history. The identity of the one confirming the covenant with many is still up in the air.
In all recent history there has never been an event where all the world Illumined elite has gathered to decide the fate of Jerusalem.. but they will be this month. This decision will be set in Rome, the seat of the harlot of Revelation. It will occur precisely 1,260 days before 12/21/2012. It will fall 72 and 73 days after Obamas 100th day in office, as he predicted.
A pre-type of this event is found in biblical history:
Ezr 1:1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and [put it] also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which [is] in Judah.
Ezr 3:6 From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not [yet] laid.
In fact, it took 2 years from the beginning of the daily sacrifices on an altar on the temple mount that the building of the temple even began.
There need be no sacrifice on the temple mount on July 11th, no construction of the temple, no war, no cataclysmic event on earth, only a confirmation of a plan that produces a reinstitution of temple sacrifice and eventual rebuilding. This would mark July 11th as the beginning of the tribulation.
Saturday the 11th of July 2009 will soon be here. It nothing happens... then at least we have all studied the bible a bit more.

7/9/2009 12:47:38 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

jongeo
Naples, FL
age: 53


...Studied the Bible a bit more. Yes that's what it is all about. Woe to those who have disdain for the word of God. They are steeped in blindness. Thanks for the info Izzy. At least someone is TRYING, even if it means sticking your neck out for the chopping block...even if you get a little sensational at times.

I know I have trouble putting the pieces together. Maybe there will be a solar flare July 10th or 11th representing God's displeasure. Such things have happened before...

7/9/2009 1:02:34 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

librajason
Over 2,000 Posts (2,781)
Gateway, AR
age: 34


Quote from jewelz5:
Who are the circle makers?- 5 min - Educate yourself / plain and simple, yet so very complicated to wrap your mind around.






Interesting video............but I still think they could show a little more respect & find somewhere else to park.....the bastards.



[Edited 7/9/2009 1:03:59 PM PST]

7/9/2009 1:26:31 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
age: 52 online now!


wondering why we haven't heard anything about iranian protests since PTB supposedly put down the rebellion? I spose it's much more soothing to cry about jacko than worry about what's really going on in the world. stupid media BS.

Iran (AP) — Hundreds of young men and women chanted "death to the dictator," confronting police wielding batons and firing tear gas in the capital Thursday as opposition activists sought to revive street protests despite authorities' vows to "smash" any new marches.
For days, supporters of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi have been calling for new protests in Tehran and other cities on Thursday, their first significant attempt to get back on the streets since security forces crushed massive demonstrations nearly two weeks ago in Iran's postelection turmoil.
Tehran governor Morteza Tamaddon warned that any new march Thursday would meet the same fate.
"If some individuals plan to carry out any anti-security actions by listening to calls by counterrevolutionary networks, they will be smashed under the feet of our aware people," he said, according to the state news agency IRNA in a report late Wednesday.
Thursday afternoon, a stepped-up number of uniformed policemen along with plainclothes Basiji militiamen stood at intersections all along Revolution Street and at nearby near Tehran University, some of the sites where protests were called.
Still, a group of around 300 young people gathered in front of Tehran University and began to chant, "Death to the dictator," witnesses said. Many of them wore green surgical masks, the color of Mousavi's movement.
Police charged at them, swinging batons, but the protesters fled, then regrouped at another corner and resumed chanting, the witnesses said. Police chased them repeatedly as the protesters continued to regroup, the witnesses said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they feared government retribution.
Within an hour, the number of protesters grew to about 700 and marched toward the gates of Tehran University, the witnesses said. A line of policemen blocked their path, but they did nothing to disperse the gathering as the protesters stood and continued to chant, the witnesses said.
At another location, on Valiasr Street, around 200 protesters gathered, and police fired tear gas to disperse them, but the demonstrators sought to regroup elsewhere, the witnesses said.
Soon after the confrontations began, mobile phone service was cut off in Tehran, a step that was also taken during the height of the post-election protests to cut off communications. Mobile phone messaging has been cut in the country for the past three days.
They were the first such protests in 11 days, since the crackdown — though it did not compare to the hundreds of thousands who joined the marches that erupted after the June 12 presidential election, protesting what the opposition said were fraudulent results.
The calls for a new march have been circulating for days on social networking websites and pro-opposition websites. Opposition supporters planned the marches to coincide with the anniversary Thursday of a 1999 attack by Basij on a Tehran University dorm to stop protests in which one student was killed.
Ahead of Thursday's planned march, authorities appeared to have taken a number of other steps to prevent participation, including the halting of SMS messaging. The government also closed down universities and called a government holiday on Tuesday and Wednesday, citing a heavy dust and pollution cloud that has blanketed Tehran and other parts of the country this week.
Mousavi and his pro-reform supporters say he won the election, which official results showed as a landslide victory for incumbent hard-liner Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declared the results valid after a partial recount and warned that unrest would not be tolerated.
In the crackdown since the election, at least 20 protesters and 7 Basijis were killed.

Hundreds protest in Iran, defy crackdown vow.

7/9/2009 1:45:09 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

voevode
Seattle, WA
age: 56


Quote from izzynotalone:
Satan can appear as being of light and that is what you are trying to do. You are 'testing' me. (in front of an audience) That is why I ignor your posts and all I have to say to your evil ambition is:

Obedience to every word of god is what we need, do not put the Lord to a foolish test,
(so I refuse to argue with you), Worship only the Lord. Obey only Him.

Since when did Satan ever use the TRUTH? That’s what I’ve been trying to get out of you for a while. I’ve asked you several times how [in the light of such Scriptures such as I Corinthians 4:12-13; Matthew 5:38-48; and right now—James 3:8-12, you can justify [as a Christian] saying such things to me as,

“U are as vulgar as u r longwinded”
“u lying jagoff”
“you get uglier with each word you utter”
“You are such an obnoxious hypocrite”

Now you say I’m only “testing you”—and that in front of an audience. Well, I’ve just E-mailed you pretty much the same questions, and thus have given you a chance to respond to me in private. And before everybody here, I say that I will not post your reply [if you choose to reply] here on DH [that way, if I do, everyone can hold me to be a liar].

If I was as Satan trying to appear as an angel of light, don’t you think I’d first agree with what you say, and then subtly try to lead you astray and corrupt you? Instead, I come here openly as a Vassal of Odin—I do not try to hide as a Christian—I am openly the enemy of the White Christ. His forces drove us back a thousand years ago—He gets that shot for free.

And at the risk of being insulting, I’m going to say this: When I was a Christian I would hear how both Muhammad and Joseph Smith were guided by angels. It was common for Christians to say that these were “false angels”

This always rang wrong to me—even in the Christian days. It wasn’t that I thought there weren’t such things. Unfortunately it took me too long to realize why this idea these people had was wrong, and I was unable to tell the people involved what I thought.

You take a look at the character of the two men. Muhammad was quite the honest—and good man. To deceive someone like him and turn him from the path of God would have required a “false angel.”

But Joseph Smith was a liar and a scammer from the beginning. No false angel was needed—he invented his own, by himself quite nicely and put it in that historical fiction of his, that he called the Book of Mormon.

The issue with these Christians [who believed that just because a man claims he has seen an angel, means that he really has seen an angel], was one of discernment—they couldn’t tell the difference between a good and honest man—and a scammer.

I’ve been doing my best to keep away from insulting you, IZZY. But there isn’t any pleasant way of saying this:

No “Satan” appearing as an angel of light; no false angel; no lying spirit; no “false brethren” are necessary to deceive you—you do this by yourself.

In the Christian way of thinking—a false Gabriel was necessary to deceive Muhammad. This would enable this otherwise good man to begin one of the world’s most powerful religions.

What would be the use of Satan sending even his bootblack to you? You aren’t going to start a new religion, IZZY—you’re not important enough, and no one listens to you.

Now, you say you are ignoring my posts because I’m just “testing” you. I say—you’re refusing to answer that one—because you have no answer. You KNOW that is not the way a Christian is supposed to act.

But refusing to respond to me will change nothing. You don’t have to answer to me—but you WILL have to respond to the God you have chosen. Do not think you can escape. Have you not heard?

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[Hebrews 10:31]





7/9/2009 6:40:02 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

izzynotalone
Chicago, IL
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Quote from voevode:


as I replied to you in your PM...I am ready to answer to God, as for you...get f**ked.

7/9/2009 7:00:54 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

twohawks
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Quote from izzynotalone:
as I replied to you in your PM...I am ready to answer to God, as for you...get f**ked.


My goodness! Such nice talk for an ALLEGED "Christian"!

7/9/2009 7:03:40 PMCrop circles point to July 7th 

lostinwyoming
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i missed it! did anybody get it on video?