| 7/1/2009 5:42:35 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | | 
jstme383
South Sioux City, NE
age: 36
| I came across this from the Houstan Chronicle. This seems to be the hot topic.
In front of a run-down shack in north Houston, federal agents step from a government sedan into 102-degree heat and face a critical question: How can the woman living here buy four high-end handguns in one day?
The house is worth $35,000. A screen dangles by a wall-unit air conditioner. Porch swing slats are smashed, the smattering of grass is flattened by cars and burned yellow by sun.
“I’ll do the talking on this one,” agent Tim Sloan, of South Carolina, told partner Brian Tumiel, of New York.
Success on the front lines of a government blitz on gunrunners supplying Mexican drug cartels with Houston weaponry hinges on logging heavy miles and knocking on countless doors. Dozens of agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — sent here from around the country — are needed to follow what ATF acting director Kenneth Melson described as a “massive number of investigative leads.”
All told, Mexican officials in 2008 asked federal agents to trace the origins of more than 7,500 firearms recovered at crime scenes in Mexico. Most of them were traced back to Texas, California and Arizona.
Among other things, the agents are combing neighborhoods and asking people about suspicious purchases as well as seeking explanations as to how their guns ended up used in murders, kidnappings and other crimes in Mexico.
“Ever turning up the heat on cartels, our law enforcement and military partners in the government of Mexico have been working more closely with the ATF by sharing information and intelligence,” Melson said Tuesday during a firearms-trafficking summit in New Mexico.
Firearms dealers visited
The ATF recently dispatched 100 veteran agents to its Houston division, which reaches to the border.
The mission is especially challenging because, officials say, that while Houston is the number one point of origin for weapons traced back to the United States from Mexico, the government can’t compile databases on gun owners under federal law.
Agents instead review firearms dealers’ records in person.
People who are legally in the United States and have clean criminal records, but are facing economic problems are often recruited by traffickers to buy weapons on their behalf in order to shield themselves from scrutiny.
Knocks at the door of the shack that looked to be the definition of hard times went unanswered.
“I am out of here,” Sloan said a few moments later, as a pit bull lazily sauntered from the back yard. “I don’t like pit bulls walking up behind me.”
Best information source
On second thought, Sloan switched to Spanish and interviewed a neighbor.
The neighbor said the woman left a month ago after a fight with her husband or boyfriend, who still lived there with what she called “other degenerates.”
“An angry ex-girlfriend or wife is the best person in the world, the greatest source of information,” Sloan said.
The night before, the duo were in a stakeout where they watched a weapons sale.
They also combined efforts with the Drug Enforcement Administration for an aircraft to stealthily follow traffickers to the border.
On this day, agents weren’t wearing raid jackets or combat boots and weren’t armed with warrants.
Guns were hidden under civilian shirts.
Another tip took agents on a 30-minute drive from the shack to a sprawling home with a pool in the back and an American flag out front.
It turned out two handguns, of a type drug gangsters prefer, were bought by a pastor for target practice.
Some stories, they say, are hard to believe.
The lamest so far came from a police officer: He said he bought a few military-style rifles, left them in his car and — on the same night — forgot to lock a door. He couldn’t explain why he didn’t file a police report or why he visited Mexico the day after the alleged theft.
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| 7/1/2009 5:44:28 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
walter555
Albuquerque, NM
age: 52
| I don't see why a military weapons such as an assault weapon should be legal
on the streets of the U.S.
I see more and more robberies here in Albuquerque with AK-47's being used.
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| 7/1/2009 5:46:34 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
wvdad3
Bunker Hill, WV
age: 40
| all assault weapons should be legal to level the playing field.
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| 7/1/2009 5:58:53 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
walter555
Albuquerque, NM
age: 52
| and the escalation goes on and on. Similiar to the arms race between the U.S. and Russia.
The problem is that the death count goes on and on in the U.S. for both adults and
children.
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| 7/1/2009 6:10:09 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
virilevirtuoso
Glendale, AZ
age: 37
| I don't see why a military weapons such as an assault weapon should be legal
on the streets of the U.S.
I see more and more robberies here in Albuquerque with AK-47's being used.
YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT! and did you know that about 40,000 people were killed on U.S. highways last year, so i think all highways should be banned too!
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| 7/1/2009 6:13:11 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
walter555
Albuquerque, NM
age: 52
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| 7/1/2009 6:13:24 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
horserider4ever
Pilot Point, TX
age: 47
| Wvdad comment: all assault weapons should be legal to level the playing field.
my response....thank you.... 
Walter I'm starting to think you are a snitch or a agent...you walk and talk like the NATO or a UN flunkie. hmmm....
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| 7/2/2009 1:58:39 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 56
| jstme, why is it they can't compile a list?
quote:
The mission is especially challenging because, officials say, that while Houston is the number one point of origin for weapons traced back to the United States from Mexico, the government can’t compile databases on gun owners under federal law.
Unless you are on a terrorist list, I suppose you can do most anything.
A guy I know who had an office warehouse across the street from me, makes his living doing things exactly like this. He buys from the different states, the motor vehicle registration records, the voting registration, the license plate registration... etc. He crunches these records into one and sells it back to the state on a mainframe computer. For the longest time, he ran 96 fast speed modems hooked up to the records. If a police officer pulls someone over, they enter the license plate number, and it ties in to my bud's computer, and gives the information about the owner, address, etc to the officer before he even leaves his car to question whoever is driving.
The government never ceases to amaze me. Thousands and thousands of government employees work over these records, or supposed to, every day. When you try to purchase a gun, you fill out a ton of paperwork that's sent in to verify you can legally own a gun. Do they just check an arrest records or what? We spend enough money for computers for them to merge the records or at least have access to each other's data bases.
Like most legal firearm owners, I do not want guns to fall into the wrong hands.
peace... don't be hatin'
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| 7/2/2009 4:25:18 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 59
| Hey Horse he is not a snitch but if you change a letter you will be correct...If you buy more than 1 firearm at a time or more tham 1 in 7 days it is very possible that you will get a knock on your door...A guy on the alert list came into a friends gun shop of mine last week the feds. let him have the firearm though he is on the list go fig ure..
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| 7/2/2009 4:31:01 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
tater79
Springfield, IL
age: 30 online now!
| Quote from virilevirtuoso:quoteYOU ARE SOOO RIGHT! and did you know that about 40,000 people were killed on U.S. highways last year, so i think all highways should be banned too!
exactly, and how about we subtract the suicides from that chart... if someone wants to kill themselves, they will.... don't blame that on the gun deaths...
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| 7/2/2009 4:33:02 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
wichitalnmn
Wichita, KS
age: 52
| I don't see why a military weapons such as an assault weapon should be legal
on the streets of the U.S.
I see more and more robberies here in Albuquerque with AK-47's being used.
Einstein...guess what...assault rifles are NOT legal on the streets of the U.S.
Nothing funnier than a liberal trying to speak intelligently about guns
Buy a clue pal
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| 7/2/2009 4:37:23 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
tater79
Springfield, IL
age: 30 online now!
| also you have to consider what the government is calling an assault weapon..... I do understand why they would go door to door in some areas and for suspicious people, that makes since to me... I kinda don't like it, but if they are only asking people questions then only breaking down doors of suspects(not just anyone) then I don't see a problem with it, the funny thing is alot of the smuggled guns are smuggled by our government officials..
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| 7/2/2009 6:06:37 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 56
| When reporters report shootings, it's always semi-automatic. Key word, automatic. A pistol is a 'semi-automatic'. Duh... I do not own a pistol currently, but it has been a very long times since single shot dueling pistols have been used for robberies or drive by's.
You'll notice the press also use anti-abortion when referring to Pro-Life people, but instead of calling pro-abortion, they ALWAYS say, pro choice. The negative word, being abortion. Name association.
No matter what type rifle is used in a crime, it's always reported an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. When shown on cam, sometimes it's a bolt action. Single shot, pull the bolt, chamber another round, fire. Shotguns are automatic or semi-automatic weapons too.
A play on words by the media.. smoke and mirrors trying to convenience others like many here, that guns should be outlawed.
peace... don't be hatin'
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| 7/2/2009 8:20:17 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
bravehart64
Gainesville, FL
age: 45
| Well gee sense Texans well blast you for just about thinking of going on there property I would say its well deserved .And after wacko it would seem Texans like to shoot at the police .So you reap what you sow .And its not happening here in Florida and I have plenty of friends with alot of high power shit .By the way other than a hand gun a shot gun is youre best home deffense weapon and street sweeper .And yeah its you Texans making straw purchases and selling guns to Mexican thugs. So again you desserve the scrutiny you folks brought on youreselves ..Tuff shit ..brave
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| 7/2/2009 9:18:47 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
travalone
Strafford, MO
age: 57
| Well gee sense Texans well blast you for just about thinking of going on there property I would say its well deserved .And after wacko it would seem Texans like to shoot at the police .So you reap what you sow .And its not happening here in Florida and I have plenty of friends with alot of high power shit .By the way other than a hand gun a shot gun is youre best home deffense weapon and street sweeper .And yeah its you Texans making straw purchases and selling guns to Mexican thugs. So again you desserve the scrutiny you folks brought on youreselves ..Tuff shit ..brave
Brave, the following information is from statehealthfacts.org
As you can see, in 2006 Florida had more deaths by firearm then Texas. These are the most recent totals I have found so far. But the trend that I have seen in earlier totals is basically the same as the 2006 data shown here.
Number of Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population, 2006
United States 10.21
Alabama 16.8
Alaska 17.1
Arizona 15.9
Arkansas 15.1
California 9.1
Colorado 10.4
Connecticut 5.0
Delaware 9.2
District of Columbia 20.6
Florida 11.1
Georgia 12.2
Hawaii 2.5
Idaho 12.6
Illinois 8.0
Indiana 11.6
Iowa 6.3
Kansas 10.9
Kentucky 12.5
Louisiana 19.3
Maine 7.3
Maryland 12.1
Massachusetts 3.2
Michigan 11.4
Minnesota 6.3
Mississippi 16.6
Missouri 13.0
Montana 12.4
Nebraska 7.7
Nevada 16.5
New Hampshire 6.1
New Jersey 5.7
New Mexico 14.5
New York 5.1
North Carolina 12.7
North Dakota 6.7
Ohio 9.6
Oklahoma 13.4
Oregon 10.0
Pennsylvania 10.9
Rhode Island 4.2
South Carolina 14.0
South Dakota 9.7
Tennessee 15.4
Texas 10.4
Utah 9.7
Vermont 8.0
Virginia 10.5
Washington 8.4
West Virginia 13.2
Wisconsin 7.5
Wyoming 15.0
Guam NSD2
Puerto Rico 17.42
Virgin Islands 43.22
Sources: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Center for Health Statistics, Division of Vital Statistics, National Vital Statistics Report Volume 57, Number 14, April 2009, Table 29. Available at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf.
Definitions:
Causes of death attributable to firearm mortality include ICD-10 Codes W32-W34, Accidental discharge of firearm; Codes X72-X74, Intentional self-harm by firearm; X93-X95, Assault by firearm; Y22-Y24, Firearm discharge, undetermined intent; and Y35, Legal intervention involving firearm discharge. Deaths from injury by firearms exclude deaths due to explosives and other causes indirectly related to firearms.
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| 7/3/2009 6:55:38 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 59
| Brave show me where we are different from Fla. Most of the people buying these firearms that go south are not U.S. citizens the ones that are they are the thugs that are every where..A lot of my spare time is spent in a large gun shop here when some one tries to buy over 2 firearms at a time you can bet your a** the police are waiting on them to leave the parking lot..All of the shops that i trade with are honest people trying to make a legeal living..Now they need to go after the law breakers not the honest people..
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| 7/4/2009 11:39:20 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
rem762700
Martinsburg, WV
age: 90
| and the escalation goes on and on. Similiar to the arms race between the U.S. and Russia.
The problem is that the death count goes on and on in the U.S. for both adults and
children.
You gave the same statistics on another post and I responded with the question; if firearms and crime is a matter of public safety then why is there an apparent lack of outrage with automobile deaths in this country that exceeds those that are killed with firearms?
If it's not a matter of public safety couldn't it be said that it is more about control and is that control within the legitimate confines of the federal government?
People don't get murdered at gun shows, rapes don't occur at shooting ranges and citizens don't get mugged outside police stations and there is a very good reason for that. You can't possibly hope to stop people from killing others and when you remove one persons ability to defend themselves from someone who is determined to kill another you sir, make the victim less safe. Are all you people that short sighted?
Arm anyone who meets an age requirement I say and watch those who have no regard for the rule of law aimlessly wonder about with no clear cut guarantees that when they commit their acts of violence they will never be certain which one of their victims might just take their lives instead.
What are we to do when homemade firearms, machetes and knives become the weapon of choice? Are we to ban those as well?
People like you live in a world of make believe that think the answer to violent crime is simply to remove the preferred tool of their trade. What I would be interested in seeing is a comparison between the United States and the country that has virtually no citizens right to own firearms and compare knife attacks.
I found claims that there are more violent crimes committed in Japan per capita than in the United States and Japanese citizens are not allowed to own firearms. Then again under slightly different ways of comping data Japan has one of the lowest crime rates so it all depends which data is considered. We might conclude that the United States builds inferior aircraft since the majority of aircraft accidents involving air traffic the world over involve US aircraft.
Lets get it together!
[Edited 7/4/2009 11:41:32 AM PST]
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| 7/4/2009 11:59:14 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| Does anyone else think it's hilarious that liberals cry,piss and moan about the constitutional rights of terrorists who have none, yet are willing to violate the constitutional rights of Americans with illegal search and seizures?
I guess you can file that under it's wrong to put serial killers to death but not yet born babies are fair game.
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| 7/4/2009 12:02:48 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
tater79
Springfield, IL
age: 30 online now!
| Does anyone else think it's hilarious that liberals cry,piss and moan about the constitutional rights of terrorists who have none, yet are willing to violate the constitutional rights of Americans with illegal search and seizures?
I guess you can file that under it's wrong to put serial killers to death but not yet born babies are fair game.
I've always said the same thing... I don't beleive liberals even have a thought process, everything they say they stand for has a double standard, and they don't even see it... WE are doomed ..poet..
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| 7/4/2009 12:03:32 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
walter555
Albuquerque, NM
age: 52
| Does anyone else think it's hilarious that liberals cry,piss and moan about the constitutional rights of terrorists who have none, yet are willing to violate the constitutional rights of Americans with illegal search and seizures?
I guess you can file that under it's wrong to put serial killers to death but not yet born babies are fair game.
Our rights have been violated quite often during the Bush/Cheney years.
Finally, we have a President that understands the law and will bring back our rights.
It is a good thing that no one on this site was declared an enemy combatant and W
had thrown them in prison without a lawyer.
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| 7/4/2009 12:19:08 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| walter
Start naming the constitutional rights they violated or shut up. And remember the terrorists have no constitutional rights. Under federal law only American citizens and foreign nationals on American soil can claim them and the Gitmo prisoners are neither.
I am really getting tired of parrots like Walter repeating MSNBC even when it's a blatant lie. Well I guess when you are unable to think for yourself you have to depend on others.
[Edited 7/4/2009 12:20:57 PM PST]
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| 7/4/2009 12:25:59 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
walter555
Albuquerque, NM
age: 52
| walter
Start naming the constitutional rights they violated or shut up. And remember the terrorists have no constitutional rights. Under federal law only American citizens and foreign nationals on American soil can claim them and the Gitmo prisoners are neither.
Poet, I don't want to shut up.
You should go out for a walk. Looks like you could use some exercise.
Zappa (I believe) had a long list of violations both national and international.
I didn't save it because I along with most of the world want to forget about
George W. Bush and D*ck (deadeye) Cheney
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| 7/4/2009 1:34:20 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
travalone
Strafford, MO
age: 57
| GUN CONTROL: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
Gun control fans like to claim that the right to bear arms covers only flintlocks, not modern guns. Yet not a single law that prohibits bearing arms makes an exception for antiques.
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Walter555 ... If you are going to parrot that crap about the constitutional rights that President Bush and his administration are supposed to have violated, please also provide your proofs.
Without specific charges and irrefutable proofs, your postings read like a brain dead parrot spouting bovine excrement just to cause trouble.
If you are posting your opinion, maybe you should state it as your opinion instead of posting it as fact. Posting your opinions as fact simply adds to the growing belief that you're an idiot.
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My apologies to the OP for getting off the subject.
In my opinion asking why a woman bought 4 handguns in one day, and how someone with a low income could afford such a purchase are legitimate questions. I see nothing in this article that indicates that the feds had any intention of confiscating any weapons purchased legally. They were simply assuring themselves that the weapons were not going to criminals through a straw purchase.
I have no problem with this line of investigation as long as it is done within the confines of the law. From the article that you posted, I see no indication that any laws or constitutional rights were violated.
JMHO ..... Mike
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| 7/4/2009 1:59:54 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| walter
again you defer to something you heard. What a freaking joke you are.
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| 7/4/2009 2:01:03 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| As much as the libs hated Bush if they had anything at all against him he would have been impeached so fast your head would spin. But he wasn't.
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| 7/4/2009 5:59:47 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
walter555
Albuquerque, NM
age: 52
| It is like an overflowing bathtub.
Your answer is to start mopping it up with more and more mops, when the first
thing you should do is turn off the tap.
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| 7/4/2009 10:24:46 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
horserider4ever
Pilot Point, TX
age: 47
| Walter...vegas...whoever.. sometimes I wish I lived next to you so I could post a sign in my yard .... "MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T OWN GUNS AND I PROMISE NOT TO USE MINE TO PROTECT HIM."
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| 7/6/2009 7:52:46 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
jstme383
South Sioux City, NE
age: 36
| Hi all thank you for posting!
Hey Rider isn't there a law like that in Texas? I think called the Castle Law?
Jstme
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| 7/6/2009 3:32:01 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 59
| Yes we have it here ..Several states also have it .. It is a very good law several thugs are pushing up daisies now because of this law..And there are no law suits..
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| 7/6/2009 5:26:00 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
horserider4ever
Pilot Point, TX
age: 47
| Huh Castle Law? regarding the sign saying your next door neighbor doesn't own a gun? I'm lost on this one.... Have no clue what the question is or the answer is...
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| 7/6/2009 6:30:20 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
travalone
Strafford, MO
age: 57
| Huh Castle Law? regarding the sign saying your next door neighbor doesn't own a gun? I'm lost on this one.... Have no clue what the question is or the answer is...
From Wikipedia
A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal concept arising from English Common Law that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine.
Unfortunately, not all states have a "Castle Law".
I hope this helps ..... Mike
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| 7/6/2009 7:06:46 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
horserider4ever
Pilot Point, TX
age: 47
| oh that is the Castle Law....I knew about that...just didn't know it was called that.... Thanks.
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| 7/6/2009 8:04:43 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 59
| That means that you dont have to shoot them then drag them into your house..Just shoot them in the drive way then call the meat wagon..
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| 7/6/2009 8:13:23 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
lobo_corazon
Kingston, ON
age: 40
| Wvdad comment: all assault weapons should be legal to level the playing field.
my response....thank you....
Walter I'm starting to think you are a snitch or a agent...you walk and talk like the NATO or a UN flunkie. hmmm....
Come on Horserider. Because he doesn't want civilians opening up with automatic weapons in the street, he must be a "flunkie"?
No. He's just sane. A quality in short supply in some parts of the US, it seems.
Walter...vegas...whoever.. sometimes I wish I lived next to you so I could post a sign in my yard .... "MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T OWN GUNS AND I PROMISE NOT TO USE MINE TO PROTECT HIM."
Under Castle Law, would it be appropriate for your neighbor to see your sign as a clear threat to him and his family in their home, making you fair game for killing in self-defence (if he deemed it necessary to get the sign taken down "safely")?
Just trying to understand the tangled-up logic of the American gun cult. 
[Edited 7/6/2009 8:28:51 PM PST]
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| 7/6/2009 8:27:55 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
twohawks
Bothell, WA
age: 70
| I have guns! Several rifles (no assult weapons) several pistols and a couple of old, double barreled shotguns. They are all registered with the ATF and local police agencies. No one has come by my place and asked about them.
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| 7/6/2009 8:52:13 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
poet756
The Plains, OH
age: 53
| Doesn't anybody remember Holder saying he and Obama wanted to do away with all semiautomatic weapons?
Obama Administration Mentions Reinstating ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban
Thursday, February 26, 2009
By Susan Jones, Senior Editor
(Update: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, asked on Thursday if she had talked with Obama administration officials about reinstating the so-called “assault weapons” ban, said “No.” She said a “good place to start would be to enforce the laws that are on the books right now.”)
(CNSNews.com) - “As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters at the Justice Department Wednesday.
He made the comments at a press conference called to announce the results of an anti-drug investigation known as “Operation Xcellerator.”
Holder said a ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons will stem the flow of weapons to Mexican cartels.
Semi automatic guns include shotguns used in rabbit hunting and .22 rifles used to target practice. Fortunately both Pelosi and Reid said no way. They knew it was a losing issue.
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| 7/7/2009 2:30:25 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
horserider4ever
Pilot Point, TX
age: 47
| Osoho comment: That means that you dont have to shoot them then drag them into your house..Just shoot them in the drive way then call the meat wagon..
My response:... thanks for that clarification. 
Lobo...the gun mentality is I have the right to protect myself and not have those rights infringed on by people like Walter. It is that simple.
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| 7/9/2009 8:20:21 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
rem762700
Martinsburg, WV
age: 90
| I have guns! Several rifles (no assult weapons) several pistols and a couple of old, double barreled shotguns. They are all registered with the ATF and local police agencies. No one has come by my place and asked about them.
I do believe the point is they don't have to, yet if and or when they chose to outlaw possesion of private ownership you won't have the option of resistance of a government you disagree with. They will simply tell you to produce those weapons or you will face whatever consiquences they feel is appropriate.
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| 7/9/2009 6:45:14 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
twohawks
Bothell, WA
age: 70
| I do believe the point is they don't have to, yet if and or when they chose to outlaw possesion of private ownership you won't have the option of resistance of a government you disagree with. They will simply tell you to produce those weapons or you will face whatever consiquences they feel is appropriate.
There is a lot of chatter going around about taking guns out of the hands of citizens, but there has been no action on it. NOTHING! I do believe this won't happen. I think the NRA would have something to say about this and there are a number of other pro gun organizations out there who would fight this. I get the feeling that this is all the creation of conspiracy theorists and fear mongers and that this "anti gun" thing is just a bunch of nonsense.
Remember: If they outlaw guns only the outlaws will have them.
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| 7/9/2009 7:00:02 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
lostinwyoming
Evanston, WY
age: 52
| Article IV
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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| 7/10/2009 8:57:54 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
rem762700
Martinsburg, WV
age: 90
| There is a lot of chatter going around about taking guns out of the hands of citizens, but there has been no action on it. NOTHING! I do believe this won't happen. I think the NRA would have something to say about this and there are a number of other pro gun organizations out there who would fight this. I get the feeling that this is all the creation of conspiracy theorists and fear mongers and that this "anti gun" thing is just a bunch of nonsense.
Remember: If they outlaw guns only the outlaws will have them.
Something we can agree on but if the time came for mass weapon confiscation I certainly wouldn't want to "help" them out. The NRA has been a target of the liberal media for years and personally I don't expect it to change anytime soon. Every time some worthless waste of space slaughters others, opponents all meet in the lobbies of the NRA with "new" restrictions for the rest of us, which is BS! When they don't get them to bend to liberal demands they waste no time pointing out that the NRA has "opposed" new legislative proposals that will of course "save lives".
I'm not certain how you can say that removing weapons from the hands of citizens hasn't been started however. Felons aren't permitted to own firearms (and I'm not suggesting that to be a bad thing) but with that precedent, anyone involved in any way shape or form with a domestic dispute cant possess firearms either. I may be out in left field here but aren't there people who live inside of DC or areas around Chicago that are prohibited from owning weapons now? Mass restrictions in many states prohibit using long rifles for hunting, deny the any right to carry concealed arms and there always seem to be legislation involving magazine capacities. How long until we can expect that those who have ever had a DUI or a drunk and disorderly charge will find themselves prohibited from weapon ownership or those convicted of some past illegal drug use?
Today everything from pistol grips to compensators to bayonet lugs are outlawed. (when’s the last time you heard of a bayonet being used in the commission of a crime?) Semi-automatics now by legal definition have graduated to the same category as their much more lethal cousins "assault weapons". The UN has gotten in on the act calling for global disarmament while the World Health Organization now compiles small arm deaths globally as does the Center for Disease Control.
The current administration (it was reported) had to fill out questionnaires asking if they were themselves owned firearms and what type they owned. Obama's own history as a statesman is littered with proposals of tax increases on ammunition, case stamping and prohibiting reloading.
Personally I think your mind has been made up on your support for the guy but you might do well to revisit some of these issues that seem like they might be important to you. As a fellow armed citizen I know I'd appreciate it.
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| 7/10/2009 11:01:15 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
liberal08
Spring, TX
age: 57 online now!
| Our rights have been violated quite often during the Bush/Cheney years.
Finally, we have a President that understands the law and will bring back our rights.
It is a good thing that no one on this site was declared an enemy combatant and W
had thrown them in prison without a lawyer.
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| 7/10/2009 7:02:32 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
twohawks
Bothell, WA
age: 70
| I do Civil War Reenactments and I have a replica of a 58 Caliber Zouave Musket. It does have a bayonet lug on it and I have a bayonet that will fit. During a reenactment we are not allowed to fix bayonets. We can have them on our belts, but we can't fix them on the rifles. Too damned dangerous!
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| 7/11/2009 1:14:09 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
rem762700
Martinsburg, WV
age: 90
| I do Civil War Reenactments and I have a replica of a 58 Caliber Zouave Musket. It does have a bayonet lug on it and I have a bayonet that will fit. During a reenactment we are not allowed to fix bayonets. We can have them on our belts, but we can't fix them on the rifles. Too damned dangerous!
Well sir you failed to answer the question; "when’s the last time you heard of a bayonet being used in the commission of a crime?"
Certainly the government finds them enough of a public risk to ban them from firearms and unlike large groups of Blue and Grey running at one another I can agree that might be a bit risky.
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| 7/11/2009 7:21:28 AM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 59
| Just a thought they did quit makeing Oldsmobiles too bad it was too late for Mary Joe wasnt it ...
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| 7/11/2009 4:32:13 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
pariah2
Spring, TX
age: 42
| so, how many gungs have been confscated
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| 7/11/2009 9:19:51 PM | Federal agents hunt for guns, one house at a time | |
jstme383
South Sioux City, NE
age: 36
| Not sure,
Thank you all for posting!
Jstme
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