7/19/2009 4:25:59 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


I would like some feedback from anyone who has dealt with someone in a
Relationship, marriage, living together, whatever.

Have you experienced someone with these disorders?
How did you handle it?
What were thier traits?

I have been reading up alot on personality disorders.
They are not curable. They are diseases of the brain - you are
born or it is formed in young adulthood.

Do these disorders include - cheating, lying, abandoment, alcohol
abuse - any other you can add would be helpful.

I just want to know if any of you, men or women have dealt with something
so upsetting and hurtful. The behaviors that exist in someone and your
left thinking "what the f**k was that"-

Thanks.

7/19/2009 4:43:13 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
barger
Northampton, PA
age: 53


I swear my ex was mental. Very jealous. Now we can get along, long as we don't live together, which will never happen.

7/19/2009 5:09:24 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

i_am_bill
Over 2,000 Posts (2,150)
Astatula, FL
age: 50


~sigh~ The stories I could tell. Bill

7/19/2009 5:15:30 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

binderdundat
Over 2,000 Posts (2,725)
New Orleans, LA
age: 47


OP, you've come to the right place.

You're gonna get all kinds of advice from people that swear to God that their ex was all of the things you've stated.


You'd be better off googling it than taking their advice.....

7/19/2009 5:21:42 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

kinkycapitalist
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,938)
Atlanta, GA
age: 55


Be careful when classifying someone has having these disorders. More often then not, so-called professionals diagnose them improperly and in point of fact, far more often then they truly occur.

The second point is that the severity of the condition is more important then the diagnosis of the condition.

Binder is correct that no one here will refrain from giving an opinion and few, including mine will be of any value in your makeing a relationship or dating decision.

Never forget the one persons personality disorder and or character flaw is another's marketable and highly rewarding career.



7/19/2009 5:29:05 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
muaythai1
Ocala, FL
age: 39


KinkyC I think I like you ....you just too cool...I think relationships are about finding the person with the set of personality disorders that you can handle....LOL

7/19/2009 5:30:37 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

thunderstorms62
Endicott, NY
age: 47


You might as well check out the below website for actual
facts about personality disorders.

What's that rumble I hear in the background?
A "gaggle" of amateur shrinks stampeding to this thread.
Yikes...I'm outta here!

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000939.htm





[Edited 7/19/2009 5:31:31 PM PST]

7/19/2009 5:33:29 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Quote from kinkycapitalist:
Be careful when classifying someone has having these disorders. More often then not, so-called professionals diagnose them improperly and in point of fact, far more often then they truly occur.

The second point is that the severity of the condition is more important then the diagnosis of the condition.

Binder is correct that no one here will refrain from giving an opinion and few, including mine will be of any value in your makeing a relationship or dating decision.

Never forget the one persons personality disorder and or character flaw is another's marketable and highly rewarding career.



Thank you for your imput -

I am not classifying anyone. I know he has something. I was never told.
I know how I was treated.
I just wanted to know - without making an armchair diagnosis if anyone has
had experience with someone who has displayed any kind of symptoms to these
disorders.

I belong to another forum and the topic has been discussed there with real imput
by people who have been exposed to the above said personality disorders- Im not
looking for the ex that cheats and now is in a great relationship - Im looking for
imput with someone who has experienced someone who is chronic- lying, cheating,
no conscience kind of behavior and how they dealt with it.

7/19/2009 5:34:45 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

binderdundat
Over 2,000 Posts (2,725)
New Orleans, LA
age: 47


Quote from thunderstorms62:
You might as well check out the below website for actual
facts about personality disorders.

What's that rumble I hear in the background?
A "gaggle" of amateur shrinks stampeding to this thread.
Yikes...I'm outta here!

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000939.htm




hahaha... I can name em off before they even get here!!!!

7/19/2009 5:37:04 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Quote from thunderstorms62:
You might as well check out the below website for actual
facts about personality disorders.

What's that rumble I hear in the background?
A "gaggle" of amateur shrinks stampeding to this thread.
Yikes...I'm outta here!

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000939.htm



Thank you - thats what I am looking for.


WE are no longer together - I know something is dreadfully wrong.

I thank you for your imput.



[Edited 7/19/2009 5:47:32 PM PST]

7/19/2009 5:37:56 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Thank you. Everyone.



[Edited 7/19/2009 5:39:06 PM PST]

7/19/2009 5:43:00 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

going4broke08
Over 2,000 Posts (3,440)
Cape Coral, FL
age: 34


I grew up with it in my household, it was very stressful. I have made the mistakes of marring someone who has the same problem he could not tell the truth and abused alcohol. Personally I could not live with someone like that again, but if there are certain disorders that you can live with and you really love the person then go for it. JMO

7/19/2009 5:50:41 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
leftfooted
Over 1,000 Posts (1,976)
West Covina, CA
age: 50


I just want to know if any of you, men or women have dealt with something
so upsetting and hurtful. The behaviors that exist in someone and your
left thinking "what the f**k was that"-



Why would you put an effort into the workings of such an individual,rather then placing time and energy into the effects of being upset and hurt?

7/19/2009 6:05:13 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Quote from leftfooted:
I just want to know if any of you, men or women have dealt with something
so upsetting and hurtful. The behaviors that exist in someone and your
left thinking "what the f**k was that"-



Why would you put an effort into the workings of such an individual,rather then placing time and energy into the effects of being upset and hurt?




I knew there was something that was not
right. Until we lived together did I see what it was that
I was feeling.
Its over but the reprocussions of the actions have hurt me.
I dont understand them and maybe I am not meant to understand
them. I have been told that I am lucky I got out with what I got
out with so I am taking it that something was dreadfully wrong and
I was just blind to it until the bitter end.

I actually owe you alot in how you have conseled me in the past.
You saved me alot of heartache. You made me face alot of things
about myself and the relationship. It was toxic and I knew this.
I stayed way too long.



[Edited 7/19/2009 6:08:23 PM PST]

7/19/2009 6:24:15 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
nek711
Mechanic Falls, ME
age: 55


Quote from binderdundat:
hahaha... I can name em off before they even get here!!!!


Binder...you're one in a million I swear, what a catch you'd be. Sincerely Nick

7/19/2009 6:26:27 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
myavalondreams
Poulsbo, WA
age: 49


*
you stayed way too long hon. Yes.

Be sure to check the medicine cabinets before you move in next time ( lol hugs hugs )

7/19/2009 6:34:42 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

th6231
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,080)
Point Pleasant Beach, NJ
age: 62


well--I have worked with these types of people--I have friends that fit these words--I have dated some of these--THERE ARE "ALWAYS" CLUES. If you were to read up on these disorders--you will find out that they exhibit little hints--long before you ever get involved with them. So it is "easy" to avoid them after you discover these traits. There are also partners who CONTINUALLY date and marry these types---they actually look for them--like a sick game---so it isn't just you--its a problem for millions of people--There are the "sick" people--and the types that like them . With a bit of drama added in--its like an unconscious desire to be in a soap opera on T V. GO GET SOME BOOKS at the bookstore--read up on these types of personalities. Read up on how they attract their partners--its very very interesting.

7/19/2009 6:36:37 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

wsprs0nthewind
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,451)
Powell, TN
age: 45


I dated a man that was a sociopath. He had no conscience but yet wanted to be a woman just to say he wasn't alone.

7/19/2009 6:38:19 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
leftfooted
Over 1,000 Posts (1,976)
West Covina, CA
age: 50


Quote from wsprs0nthewind:
I dated a man that was a sociopath. He had no conscience but yet wanted to be a woman just to say he wasn't alone.




Maybe part of the reason was that he wanted to file jointly on his taxes.

7/19/2009 7:42:05 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

bbw47reader
Over 2,000 Posts (2,184)
Frederick, MD
age: 47


Research it on the internet, and find an internet support group for whatever the likely disorder is. People there will guide you.

7/19/2009 7:49:11 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

binderdundat
Over 2,000 Posts (2,725)
New Orleans, LA
age: 47


Quote from nek711:
Binder...you're one in a million I swear, what a catch you'd be. Sincerely Nick


Nick... you're my only fan!! errrrr.... I mean... biggest!!! yeah... yer my biggest fan!!!




7/19/2009 7:53:27 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

easydaddy2loveu
Over 4,000 Posts! (7,077)
Dayton, OH
age: 40


My ex was a work ahoholic one day found her brooding and stomping around the house plotting on killing 1 of the kids... after the craziest conversation ever, I went and contacted the mental health board and ask them to come and get her. I saw no signs leading upto that point.

7/19/2009 8:09:45 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

energy22
Philadelphia, PA
age: 48


i think for myself not only a look at the symptoms that are clues to these types of personalities so these people can be avoided relationship wise,what is also very important on a deeper level is......WHAT IS IT INSIDE OF MYSELF THAT ATTRACTS ME TO THESE KIND OF PEOPLE!!!!! when ive pointed my finger at someone justifiably or not, three come pointing at me i have found, ive done some work at looking at why ive been attracted to people in relationships where ive gotton so called used or mistreated in some way,and i have been like alot of people , i also have to look at MY PART IN IT!! only when i could see those two sides was i able to engage in healther choices in a prospective partner(i hope lol i sure aint perfectly well lol).....to the op (who is one of my dearest friends)hope ypur not gettin lost in him him him again!!! get with you you you!!!!! hes gone honey thank GOD ive seen you suffer enough,although i belive it may be part of your process dont get too caught up.....luv ya

7/19/2009 11:22:42 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
ladyvirtue123
Over 1,000 Posts (1,954)
Magalia, CA
age: 53


My ex of 25 yrs was a sociopath but I never knew it until the end of the marriage..sociopaths are cold hearted people..they have no conscience..they will lie even if they know they will get caught, and they are darn good at it..they pretend to be the person you want them to be but cannot keep of the facade for long..they have no shame no guilt..they are very calculating, clever..they never look back..they are in love with money and will do anything to get it..I just figured he had character flaws because I knew nothing about sociopaths until our psychologist told us he was one...learned a hard lesson..

7/20/2009 8:49:47 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

stopnstare
North Wales, PA
age: 60


I think everybody here has missed the boat! I just read your brief (scary) profile and have concluded that (through your own omission)you only need to look in a mirror for your answers! You THREATEN to be a STALKER! You have "jealousy issues"! What else is on your mind? Murder? You are only here for the forums! You need some serious HELP! It is NOT HERE! TRY PROFESSIONAL HELP! UR SCARY!!!

7/20/2009 9:13:23 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
legaleye
Columbus, OH
age: 57


Someone once told me that the perfect couple consisted of two dysfunctional people, each with an equal and opposite dysfunction. They should get along great.

A long gime ago when the earth was green, I dated a woman who apparantly was regulated by medication. Of course I didnt know it at the time we met. She was very good at taking stuff when required, which was a strict regimen. One pill when you get up. Then another pill at bedtime, which was 11 PM. By 11:15 she was out like a light.

I have not really dated people who "go off," or "throw fits and tantrums" amd all that. However, I have seen some odd behaviors over the years, many of which I surmised were a combination of environmental factors, i.e. past relationships, and behavioral factors, i.e. the inability to cope, etc.

I am not concerned in general by the physical ailments of age, but rather the mental ailments I see all around me.

7/20/2009 9:24:43 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

msbevzie
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,204)
Oregon, OH
age: 46 online now!


Quote from thunderstorms62:
You might as well check out the below website for actual
facts about personality disorders.

What's that rumble I hear in the background?
A "gaggle" of amateur shrinks stampeding to this thread.
Yikes...I'm outta here!

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000939.htm




Thunders advice is awesome so...I'd read that...

I'll say no more...I just know them relationships, marriages etc...aren't fun...(hint hint!)

Do these disorders include - cheating, lying, abandoment, alcohol
abuse - any other you can add would be helpful. ( my answer is YES )

You can email me if you care to...

7/20/2009 9:29:44 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

firstlight
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,484)
Strasburg, VA
age: 49 online now!


Quote from stopnstare:
I think everybody here has missed the boat! I just read your brief (scary) profile and have concluded that (through your own omission)you only need to look in a mirror for your answers! You THREATEN to be a STALKER! You have "jealousy issues"! What else is on your mind? Murder? You are only here for the forums! You need some serious HELP! It is NOT HERE! TRY PROFESSIONAL HELP! UR SCARY!!!




7/20/2009 9:33:41 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

tater79
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,069)
Springfield, IL
age: 30


I've never dated anyone the had papers saying that they had any disorders... BUT

I dated a girl that actually truely beleived her own lies, after I caught her up many of times she woulds cuss me for weeks sticking to her original story, She was the most deceptive person I'd ever met, and it sounds crazy but we are still good friends, she stills lies to me about what is happening in her other relationships, the reason I know she is lying is they are the same lies she told me, but I just agree with her and say .. yeah yeah, yeah, OH OK but she doesn't lie about important things just stupid stuff, so we get along when we talk on the phone every so often.....I can't have her hanging out with me, but I can chat with her from time to time..

anyhow in my experience.........almost all women are BI-POLAR

7/20/2009 9:35:34 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Quote from stopnstare:
I think everybody here has missed the boat! I just read your brief (scary) profile and have concluded that (through your own omission)you only need to look in a mirror for your answers! You THREATEN to be a STALKER! You have "jealousy issues"! What else is on your mind? Murder? You are only here for the forums! You need some serious HELP! It is NOT HERE! TRY PROFESSIONAL HELP! UR SCARY!!!
wow. Someone else that takes everything way too serious.
You missed the line where it said just here for the forums.
If in fact I was actually like that do you really think I would advertise it- on a dating site no less? Thank you for your contribution to my thread. Lots of helpful information. Thank you.

No sense of humor around here.



[Edited 7/20/2009 9:38:02 AM PST]

7/20/2009 9:37:07 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

kinkycapitalist
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,938)
Atlanta, GA
age: 55


Any one who as ever spent any time in Norristown would have the same profile.



7/20/2009 9:41:11 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

oceandive
Over 2,000 Posts (2,566)
Clonfert
Ireland
age: 52


i try to avoid anyone that may or may not be plagued with any disorder that i may or may not have....woo-hoooooooooo......

7/20/2009 9:42:26 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
insulting
Over 2,000 Posts (3,308)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Personality disorders are great, they make life interesting.

7/20/2009 9:46:23 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Thank you to alot of you who have given me
some really good information and shared your
experiences.

I can't say I apologize for my profile and if
you are in fact basing posting here because of it
well thats okay - if you knew me you would know I
am a very funny girl and I have used this scare tactic
to get across the fact that I am not here to date but
believe it or not I still get alot of emails jokingly
saying how much they would like to be stalked.
No one gets scared- Im just here for the forums and
just putting that on my profile did not work so I
pulled out the big guns. Good thats done me too.

Anyway - I need to not explain anything. Just looking
for some help on a subject I have been subjected too.

Thank you all.

7/20/2009 10:41:27 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

snowbird02s
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,530)
Siena
Italy
age: 45


I love psychology, and have done a lote of research on this disorder, and others .
The problem with a sociopath ( a real one ) iis that there is NO cure for them.

I think you should do your own reseach.. WTF, they can even fool a trained Threarpist.

vvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvvvvv

SOCIOPATH Traits ::
Kiki Anniston Reveals:

Have you ever dated the type of guy that left you constantly waiting by the phone with an uneasy sick feeling in the pit of your stomach?

Or a guy who made you feel bad about yourself, but for some reason you couldn’t leave him? (Of course, that same guy, at times, also made you feel like you were the only person on this planet - you know, that “hot-cold” type).

And have you ever walked into a club and found yourself so attracted to one particular guy, you felt like you were in a trance and literally couldn't stop making eyes with him?
PLEASE READ :

1. SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, and slick. Not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. He never gets tongue-tied and has freed himself from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.


2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. An arrogant guy who believes he is a superior human being.


3. NEED FOR STIMULATION (PRONENESS TO BOREDOM) -- an excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Often has low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because he gets bored easily.


4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form, and will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever (in extreme form, he will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest).


5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS -- the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.


6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.


7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.


8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.


9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.


10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.


11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.


12. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.


13. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.


14. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.


15. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.


16. MANY SHORT-TERM RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.


Good Luck

7/20/2009 10:57:01 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

kinkycapitalist
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,938)
Atlanta, GA
age: 55


In other words, your common, garden variety Republlican governor, Congressmen, Senator and trial attorney.



7/20/2009 1:42:17 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

firstlight
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,484)
Strasburg, VA
age: 49 online now!


Quote from cgrl2:
Thank you to alot of you who have given me
some really good information and shared your
experiences.

I can't say I apologize for my profile and if
you are in fact basing posting here because of it
well thats okay - if you knew me you would know I
am a very funny girl and I have used this scare tactic
to get across the fact that I am not here to date but
believe it or not I still get alot of emails jokingly
saying how much they would like to be stalked.
No one gets scared- Im just here for the forums and
just putting that on my profile did not work so I
pulled out the big guns. Good thats done me too.

Anyway - I need to not explain anything. Just looking
for some help on a subject I have been subjected too.

Thank you all.

You can't blame people for checking out your profile when you post a thread. Excuse us for taking you literally. Or was the profile the truth and the thread a pack pf lies?
Who cares!

7/20/2009 2:59:03 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

msbevzie
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,204)
Oregon, OH
age: 46 online now!


Quote from cgrl2:
Thank you to alot of you who have given me
some really good information and shared your
experiences.

I can't say I apologize for my profile and if
you are in fact basing posting here because of it
well thats okay - if you knew me you would know I
am a very funny girl and I have used this scare tactic
to get across the fact that I am not here to date but
believe it or not I still get alot of emails jokingly
saying how much they would like to be stalked.
No one gets scared- Im just here for the forums and
just putting that on my profile did not work so I
pulled out the big guns. Good thats done me too.

Anyway - I need to not explain anything. Just looking
for some help on a subject I have been subjected too.

Thank you all.


I read the profile, and I took it quite different I thought you did it to keep people like you ask about away...and I was right

7/20/2009 3:01:15 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

wsprs0nthewind
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,451)
Powell, TN
age: 45


Quote from leftfooted:
Maybe part of the reason was that he wanted to file jointly on his taxes.


Actually no, he hadn't filed his taxes in the last 3 years. That was another red flag.

7/20/2009 7:09:07 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

markwantsamate
Hellertown, PA
age: 50


You people are wacked. People act the way they act because of the way the other people treat them, plain and simple.
Tell the truth quit beaten around the bush, pull the wool over some other Jack's eyes.
There are no psych disorders, just pissed off people from being bullshitted up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Have a great day......................God loves you!

7/20/2009 7:25:13 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

mstme
Valparaiso, IN
age: 53


In reply to markwantsamate... you are exhibiting the exact characteristics being talked about...blaming everyone else for your own problems and not owning them. This is what I lived through and came close to being killed for. It had nothing to do with other people just the sick mind of one and the wierd reality they live in.

7/20/2009 7:56:06 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

snowbird02s
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,530)
Siena
Italy
age: 45


Quote from mstme:
In reply to markwantsamate... you are exhibiting the exact characteristics being talked about...blaming everyone else for your own problems and not owning them. This is what I lived through and came close to being killed for. It had nothing to do with other people just the sick mind of one and the wierd reality they live in.



********************************************

You are 100% correct. Sorry about your experience, and others.
They will Lie till there last breath.. But, unless someone has been with one, they can NOT understand. I do understand.

7/20/2009 8:02:02 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
lisa_smiles
Worcester, MA
age: 41


Quote from cgrl2:
I would like some feedback from anyone who has dealt with someone in a
Relationship, marriage, living together, whatever.

Have you experienced someone with these disorders?
How did you handle it?
What were thier traits?

I have been reading up alot on personality disorders.
They are not curable. They are diseases of the brain - you are
born or it is formed in young adulthood.

Do these disorders include - cheating, lying, abandoment, alcohol
abuse - any other you can add would be helpful.

I just want to know if any of you, men or women have dealt with something
so upsetting and hurtful. The behaviors that exist in someone and your
left thinking "what the f**k was that"-

Thanks.


Great questions.
I have one to add.
How would one know the difference between narcissist and just plainly being a control freak? What are the signs?

7/20/2009 8:03:01 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

niceguy4tlc
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,510)
Port Saint Lucie, FL
age: 52


They say that AXIS 2 disorders are permanent. They say a lot of shit though. I have been with women with personality disorders and some can improve or they just learned to cover it up better. They were liars and cheaters,but sexy as hell and great fun when they were in their happy cycle.

The first woman who I know has Borderline Personality Disorder cheated, stole from me, was abusive, and continues to try to stalk me and cause trouble. She got tangled in some evil stuff and refuses to accept that there is anything Higher. I pray for her.

There is no way that anybody can have a serious relationship with a Narcissist like her with losing their own peace of mind and sanity. That doesn't mean that somebody can't try to love her from a safe distance though. She has very admirable qualities that show in her good cycle. BUT that can last hours, days or weeks.

Change comes from within. A belief in a higher power will work wonders. Being a part of something higher and *constructive*, not self serving is very beneficial.

I don't suffer from anything like that, but I am walking away from bad habits and things that can be a bad influence. I'm finding inner peace in places that were tarnished by the bad events of the last decade.

7/20/2009 8:38:22 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

musicdesign
Rocky Hill, CT
age: 47


Quote from ladyvirtue123:
My ex of 25 yrs was a sociopath but I never knew it until the end of the marriage..sociopaths are cold hearted people..they have no conscience..they will lie even if they know they will get caught, and they are darn good at it..they pretend to be the person you want them to be but cannot keep of the facade for long..they have no shame no guilt..they are very calculating, clever..they never look back..they are in love with money and will do anything to get it..I just figured he had character flaws because I knew nothing about sociopaths until our psychologist told us he was one...learned a hard lesson..


Was with one myself who also was professionally diagnosed. Once you are with one, you know what to look out for. They are very good at what they do and fool many.

7/20/2009 8:59:47 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

zipperlynn
Over 1,000 Posts (1,111)
Porterville, CA
age: 39


Quote from kinkycapitalist:
Be careful when classifying someone has having these disorders. More often then not, so-called professionals diagnose them improperly and in point of fact, far more often then they truly occur.

The second point is that the severity of the condition is more important then the diagnosis of the condition.

Binder is correct that no one here will refrain from giving an opinion and few, including mine will be of any value in your makeing a relationship or dating decision.

Never forget the one persons personality disorder and or character flaw is another's marketable and highly rewarding career.


I think my x-bf was this way. Hence, the "x" part.

7/20/2009 9:04:11 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
2sweetbitter
Over 1,000 Posts (1,050)
Orange, CA
age: 40


hello where you bin your all like that dont know why but you all drive me nuts you like kaos in a relationship i dont get it your all manwiches,, later fukers

7/21/2009 7:05:53 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
luvmotorcycles
Toledo, OH
age: 48


Divorced here. My first ex is a druggie. He was really into himself and always will be. (And a woman abuser, too.) My second ex doesn't have any cognitive thinking. He has to have others think for himself. I discovered this only after going through a serious test to determine which parent was better to have raise our daughter, and it was me. It's difficult dealing with someone who can't think for themselves.

7/21/2009 7:51:26 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

susansheart839
Over 2,000 Posts (2,510)
Port Saint Lucie, FL
age: 61 online now!


Meet my ex husband:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school. In particular, narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as histrionic, antisocial and borderline personality disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may also seek out others you think have the same special talents, power and qualities — people you see as equals. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.

But underneath all this grandiosity often lies a very fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.

7/21/2009 12:52:37 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

markwantsamate
Hellertown, PA
age: 50


Quote from mstme:
In reply to markwantsamate... you are exhibiting the exact characteristics being talked about...blaming everyone else for your own problems and not owning them. This is what I lived through and came close to being killed for. It had nothing to do with other people just the sick mind of one and the wierd reality they live in.



No comment your words and actions speak for themselves.

7/21/2009 2:07:20 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

niceguy4tlc
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,510)
Port Saint Lucie, FL
age: 52


Well Susan, this is my ex-wife to the T. But she has even more serious issues as well. My biggest problems right now are being able to trust and love again.

Quote from susansheart839:
Meet my ex husband:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school. In particular, narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as histrionic, antisocial and borderline personality disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may also seek out others you think have the same special talents, power and qualities — people you see as equals. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.

But underneath all this grandiosity often lies a very fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.


7/21/2009 3:22:14 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

cgrl2
Norristown, PA
age: 47


Wow.

Thank you so much. I am so glad this thread is being
taken seriously. Finally.

7/21/2009 7:43:15 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

happylilshroom
Fitchburg, MA
age: 26


Welp.. Ill tell you.. your the one who will have to change.. anyone dealing with a mental disorder even if they see it.. and know it.. they cannot help but act the way they do. My last GF was paranoid verbaly abusive and completely aware of it, she just couldnt help it. she had a good heart too.. But being dilusional, she didnt know herself, never mind being able to know another

7/21/2009 8:15:57 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

niceguy4tlc
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,510)
Port Saint Lucie, FL
age: 52


I feel ya. Now I at least know that I'm attracted to women with emotional problems. I
'm working on that.

7/21/2009 10:00:21 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

epona65808
Walnut Grove, MO
age: 57


My ex had passive aggressive personality disorder. His way of handling problems was not handling them at all. Then he would come at me with some off the wall crapola and I thought "What the hell?"

If someone's behavior makes you feel uncomfortable or makes your red warning lights go off - pay attention. Something probably isn't right. And you can't fix them.

7/22/2009 3:53:30 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
joshypoo9
Las Vegas, NV
age: 38


Quote from barger:
I swear my ex was mental. Very jealous.


You too? shit! I thought I was the only one?

7/22/2009 6:46:09 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

msbevzie
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,204)
Oregon, OH
age: 46 online now!


Well like I told you a few of US whom have been married to this type have posted there is another one whom she is very smart and knows this disorder well whom hasn't posted YET...

7/25/2009 11:46:11 PMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
joshypoo9
Las Vegas, NV
age: 38


Of course. My EX GF is a f**king nuttcase, and has many "disorders". Im glad I no longer have to deal w/her and her "disorders" anymore. I feel bad for her hubby. Wait....no I dont.

7/26/2009 12:40:22 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 
joshypoo9
Las Vegas, NV
age: 38


Quote from dude_2:
My ex woke up oneday and decided to lose her mind.
Actually, she relapsed after being 7 years clean and sober.
I didn't know how she was as a drunk. I met her when she was sober.
The last 5 years with her was a living hell.
It was total insanity. Natcissist is an understatement.
I stayed becuase I love her of course. I had hope.
A combination of enabling her becuase I was afraid of living
without her or I've felt I invested too much of my life into
the relationship.

I barely made it out alive. I was mentally, emotionally
and spiritaul bankrupt.

I guess you can say she became a life force sucking B.

How have I dealt with that?

Lots and lots of healing and loving myself.
I couldn't even consentrate or focus for a while.
Recover from PTSD or Shellshock. Abandonment issues..ect
Talk to peaple that lived through it and survived it.
Group therapy and a lot of letting go/releasing.
Letting go of the guilt, shame, anger and pains that fogged my mind.
Work the 12 steps program.

I've been using the Sedona Methdoe to assist me in the letting go process.
It's helping me alot. It dosn't solve all my problems but I've been able
to live in peace, not having to carry the mental and emotional bagages.

Practice meditating to be in the moment and let go.

You can also try al-anon or Coda


Christ on a bicycle! Dude, your ex has you REALLY f**ked up.

7/26/2009 5:23:20 AMNarcissists, sociopaths and other personality disorders in dating 

msbevzie
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,204)
Oregon, OH
age: 46 online now!


Quote from dude_2:
My ex woke up oneday and decided to lose her mind.
Actually, she relapsed after being 7 years clean and sober.
I didn't know how she was as a drunk. I met her when she was sober.
The last 5 years with her was a living hell.
It was total insanity. Natcissist is an understatement.
I stayed becuase I love her of course. I had hope.
A combination of enabling her becuase I was afraid of living
without her or I've felt I invested too much of my life into
the relationship.

I barely made it out alive. I was mentally, emotionally
and spiritaul bankrupt.

I guess you can say she became a life force sucking B.

How have I dealt with that?

Lots and lots of healing and loving myself.
I couldn't even consentrate or focus for a while.
Recover from PTSD or Shellshock. Abandonment issues..ect
Talk to peaple that lived through it and survived it.
Group therapy and a lot of letting go/releasing.
Letting go of the guilt, shame, anger and pains that fogged my mind.
Work the 12 steps program.

I've been using the Sedona Methdoe to assist me in the letting go process.
It's helping me alot. It dosn't solve all my problems but I've been able
to live in peace, not having to carry the mental and emotional bagages.

Practice meditating to be in the moment and let go.

You can also try al-anon or Coda



I can so relate...
I lived the same type scenario...BUT my ex has been sober 19 years he was what is called a "dry drunk" but all the other things are exactly right on...

The programs you suggested are so awesome...and the 12 step program is a awesome program of life...I think it should be a requirement in our lives to have to work these 12 steps continuously...the world MIGHT not be so F*cked up today.