Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.

11/6/2009 7:00:57 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
passionsastirin Pompano Beach, FL age: 42	They are too worried to sound politically incorrect. Why did the soldier kill his fellow soldiers in Texas? Because he was a Muslim. He was American born, but, he related to the Muslim enemy, instead of the other American soldiers. Maybe a sleeper cell member.
11/6/2009 7:24:30 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
passionsastirin Pompano Beach, FL age: 42	Isn't it obvious that the motivating factor, that he is a Muslim?
11/6/2009 7:45:29 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
daddydeep Walterboro, SC age: 67	Passion, the current Admin and the liberals can take their PC Movement and shove it up their asses. These people (the muslims)HATE YOU, they are the Saracen blade to take off you Infidel head. I have never seen so many people as on here who hate the Country they grew up in, the idiots do not seem to realize that if the Muslims win they and their kids will be pig feed. I have been around the world and as imperfect as WE are as a Country the other choices are abhorrent. If the mainstream Muslims will not rein in their radical element and they support them then they must die also.I amj old enough to be of the opinion "behave or be shot", life is to short to keep replanting aholes hoping they will sprout as anything but a new ahole.
11/6/2009 8:00:01 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from passionsastirin: Isn't it obvious that the motivating factor, that he is a Muslim? passionsastirin, U.S. population in 1920...106 million KKK membership in 1920....4 million Percentage of U.S. male citizens who were a KKK member....15% It is obvious that 15% of Christian men in the U.S. were once terrorists. In 1920, do you think the American media would have said such a thing? [Edited 11/6/2009 8:01:26 PM PST]
11/6/2009 8:02:53 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
daddydeep Walterboro, SC age: 67	Rig, that is not only a stupid comparison but asinine. In the 1700s Canada was nothing but a bunch of scalping and cannabalistic Savages, therefore visit Canada well armed. DUH!
11/6/2009 8:16:57 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
georgiananagail Conyers, GA age: 64	Rig, I don't think the klan would have let you come in and ask questions. I'm 64, I've lived in Georia my entire life. I've never seen a hood, never known anybody who knew anyone who ever heard of anybody in the klan. The klan gets a mention here almost everyday. I'm sure they'd appreciate the mention if anyone were still alive to see it. Give it a rest so Zappa can sleep at night. All this klan talk keeps him on the verge of a seizure or something. [Edited 11/6/2009 8:18:56 PM PST]
11/6/2009 8:25:53 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from rig216: passionsastirin, U.S. population in 1920...106 million KKK membership in 1920....4 million Percentage of U.S. male citizens who were a KKK member....15% It is obvious that 15% of Christian men in the U.S. were once terrorists. In 1920, do you think the American media would have said such a thing? Although that many have witnessed, and were aware that the KKK terrorized black communities, the Media never reported that 15% of Christian men in America were terrorists....that would have sounded too offensive, and judgmental. But today, most people would admit that these 4 million KKK members were terrorists.
11/6/2009 8:30:30 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
georgiananagail Conyers, GA age: 64	To take it further, I said earlier today that a Christian or a Jew had killed people at Ft Hood, he'd be facing serious consequences dconsequences for killing people ....whereas the muslim is rewarded by getting to roll around with a dozen or so virgins after he blows himself up or kills enough Christians and Jews. Where is the beauty in this??? Google honor killings and come back and tell me about this wonderful, peaceful religion. What about female sex mutilation? Peaceful, hell. I'll try to get my Iranian friend to come on here and tell you about his family in Iran.
11/6/2009 8:30:32 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
fzappa Oklahoma City, OK age: 52	Quote from passionsastirin: Isn't it obvious that the motivating factor, that he is a Muslim? ~~~~~ No the more accurate term for him would be: a RELIGIOUS EXTREMIST ,kinda like the ones who supported war to attack Islam in the first place. The suspect had been the victim of a hate crime against him not long ago, his being Muslim was the reason. Doesn't excuse his actions and I hope he get's the chair but the point is your grouping them all together.. are you too...uh, unaware to realize that's RACISM? Racism or an attack on a religion is NOT an American value right? Why are you attacking Islam because of a religious nutbag? Their are 4,000 Muslims in our military...how dare you! [Edited 11/6/2009 8:33:02 PM PST]
11/6/2009 8:34:54 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from georgiananagail: Rig, I don't think the klan would have let you come in and ask questions. I'm 64, I've lived in Georia my entire life. I've never seen a hood, never known anybody who knew anyone who ever heard of anybody in the klan. The klan gets a mention here almost everyday. I'm sure they'd appreciate the mention if anyone were still alive to see it. Give it a rest so Zappa can sleep at night. All this klan talk keeps him on the verge of a seizure or something. gail, you missing my point; The OP stated "They are too worried to sound politically correct" And I gave her an example why in 1920, the media were also worried to sound politically correct....in other words, no newspapers have reported that the 4 million KKK members were in fact terrorists.
11/6/2009 8:34:59 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
georgiananagail Conyers, GA age: 64	Rig, your point doesn't work. That was ninety years ago. I imagine most media was local then. You're usually right on, but you missed it this time, your figures don't mean a thing. Ah, but today, every time in recent memory that someone reported kkk being written on their doors or whatever, turned out to be a business that wanted attention, or a person who did it to themselves for whatever reason.
11/6/2009 8:46:24 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from georgiananagail: Rig, your point doesn't work. That was ninety years ago. I imagine most media was local then. You're usually right on, but you missed it this time, your figures don't mean a thing. Ah, but today, every time in recent memory that someone reported kkk being written on their doors or whatever, turned out to be a business that wanted attention, or a person who did it to themselves for whatever reason. Gail, here's the definion of politically correct "deliberately avoiding offense: relating to or supporting the use of language or conduct that deliberately avoids giving offense, e.g. on the basis of ethnic origin, religion groups, or sexual orientation" Ninety years ago, in reference to 4 million KKK members, the media was also worried to be politically correct. Year KKK Membership 1920 4,000,000 1924 6,000,000 1930 30,000 1980 5,000 2008 6,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan and today, some may still have a hard time to admit that in 1920, approx. 15% of Christian men were in fact terrorists. [Edited 11/6/2009 8:53:42 PM PST]
11/6/2009 8:52:26 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
daddydeep Walterboro, SC age: 67	Rig, that is a foolish arguement as the term "Terrorist" is MODERN in origin. NO ONE was called 'Terrorists' back then,. The Maori who the Marines fought were referred to as Savages. You are getting as bad as that idiot Loco with these inane arguements, I could also say that in 1920 there were mysterious lights and aliens reported, BUT, those phreases did NOT exist.
11/6/2009 8:56:36 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
latestflame Memphis, TN age: 32 online now!	The Quran (and Mohammed) flat out taught to use violence for non-muslims. People who use violence are following the real teaching. The extremeists are the peaceful ones when it comes to Muslims. Mohammed was all about violence. That's just fact.
11/6/2009 9:02:55 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lobo_corazon Kingston, ON age: 40 online now!	Quote from passionsastirin: Isn't it obvious that the motivating factor, that he is a Muslim? I don't think that's obvious at all. I would guess that he believes America should be out of Iraq, but millions of other Americans believe the same... Millions of Christian Americans. His job was to face the terrible human toll that war takes on American servicepeople head-on every day and try to somehow fix it one ruined young person at a time. Sounds like awful pressure. The guy was taken alive - I expect we'll have a statement soon enough. If he was recruited by some terrorist organization (not saying it's impossible), we'll hear all about it soon enough when they take credit publicly for the great prestige it would bring them in extremist circles. Until then, the only thing obvious about the situation is the tragedy. [Edited 11/6/2009 9:14:43 PM PST]
11/6/2009 9:07:39 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
georgiananagail Conyers, GA age: 64	Quote from rig216: Gail, here's the definion of politically correct "deliberately avoiding offense: relating to or supporting the use of language or conduct that deliberately avoids giving offense, e.g. on the basis of ethnic origin, religion groups, or sexual orientation" Ninety years ago, in reference to 4 million KKK members, the media was also worried to be politically correct. Year KKK Membership 1920 4,000,000 1924 6,000,000 1930 30,000 1980 5,000 2008 6,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan and today, some may still have a hard time to admit that in 1920, approx. 15% of Christian men were in fact terrorists. and today, some may still have a hard time to admit that in 1920, approx. 15% of Christian men were in fact terrorists. ========================================================================================== Still reluctant to admit it? I doubt. I don't think you believe that either, just wanted to bring the klan into it as usual. I know all that, please don't patronize me by defining obvious words. I knew what you said, I disagree with your premis. I am NOT politically correct and don't trust people who are. g [Edited 11/6/2009 9:28:08 PM PST]
11/6/2009 9:13:28 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lobo_corazon Kingston, ON age: 40 online now!	Quote from latestflame: The Quran (and Mohammed) flat out taught to use violence for non-muslims. People who use violence are following the real teaching. The extremeists are the peaceful ones when it comes to Muslims. Mohammed was all about violence. That's just fact. "Extremist" and "peaceful" are actually pretty much opposites. There are almost a billion muslims in the world. If they were all violent extremists, we'd all be dead by now - So thank your lucky stars that you're wrong! Have you read the Qur'an? I'm going to guess no... I know I haven't, but my understanding rather dramatically differs from yours. It seems that Mohammed didn't favor the "turn the other cheek" teachings of Christ, but rather taught that Muslims should defend themselves rigorously... And extremists further their agendas by taking liberties with "defend" and "enemy", warping it to include blowing up a bus full of tourist kids to make a political point. I'm willing to be convinced by good evidence though - A quick google for "Qur'an online" provided some links that you could use to back your claims about the teachings of Mohammed up, if you'd like to be taken seriously!
11/6/2009 9:19:53 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
georgiananagail Conyers, GA age: 64	Zappa, you don't know that he was a victim because whatever he told his cousin was filtered through the sick brain of a misfit. He might have been picked on a little, lots of people are, few of them commit mass murder. The army thought they were getting a man, he wasn't.
11/6/2009 9:20:35 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
hunter12gauge Bellaire, OH age: 47 online now!	As memory serves me concerning the KKK, rig...your all wet on this one. The KKK was a group of men in the early developement of this country who formed a secret society to bring about justice for their communities. The "original" intent of the klan was to secretly dispense justice under the guise of anominity to who ever was screwing up in their particular community. Later as injustices became more aggregious they banded together fom different communities and helped each following out with the anominity of their acts. No the original KKK were not by any means "terrorists",they were just plain folks who asministered their own brand of justice. They(originally) never accosted anyone who was completely innocent.
11/6/2009 9:23:20 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
georgiananagail Conyers, GA age: 64	Quote from lobo_corazon: "Extremist" and "peaceful" are actually pretty much opposites. There are almost a billion muslims in the world. If they were all violent extremists, we'd all be dead by now - So thank your lucky stars that you're wrong! Have you read the Qur'an? I'm going to guess no... I know I haven't, but my understanding rather dramatically differs from yours. It seems that Mohammed didn't favor the "turn the other cheek" teachings of Christ, but rather taught that Muslims should defend themselves rigorously... And extremists further their agendas by taking liberties with "defend" and "enemy", warping it to include blowing up a bus full of tourist kids to make a political point. I'm willing to be convinced by good evidence though - A quick google for "Qur'an online" provided some links that you could use to back your claims about the teachings of Mohammed up, if you'd like to be taken seriously! ============================================================================================ All I need to know about the koran is what I know about history and the phrase: "convert, enslave, kill. Seems pretty straightforward.
11/6/2009 9:30:01 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
that_wd_b_me Essex Junction, VT age: 51	IMO Hasan is a traitor and terrorist,his crimes were the result of his muslim faith,I wish him a speedy recovery so he can be tried and executed for his crimes.political correctness be damned. The islamists find aid and comfort in the drivel of the hate America left. This is our progressive friends who worry so much about gay rights which are nonexistent under sharia law homosexuals are routinely put to death.They are so concerned about "a woman's right to choose" they make me laugh.Under islamic regimes there is no woman's right to choose anything. here's to the new useful idiots
11/6/2009 9:30:45 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
latestflame Memphis, TN age: 32 online now!	Quote from lobo_corazon: "Extremist" and "peaceful" are actually pretty much opposites. There are almost a billion muslims in the world. If they were all violent extremists, we'd all be dead by now - So thank your lucky stars that you're wrong! Have you read the Qur'an? I'm going to guess no... I know I haven't, but my understanding rather dramatically differs from yours. It seems that Mohammed didn't favor the "turn the other cheek" teachings of Christ, but rather taught that Muslims should defend themselves rigorously... And extremists further their agendas by taking liberties with "defend" and "enemy", warping it to include blowing up a bus full of tourist kids to make a political point. I'm willing to be convinced by good evidence though - A quick google for "Qur'an online" provided some links that you could use to back your claims about the teachings of Mohammed up, if you'd like to be taken seriously! I haven't read it, no. But I've seen excerpts where it instructed to kill if people will not convert to islam. I believe in one part it said anyone who is not Muslim should be given a choice of either dying, converting, or paying some tax so large that it would have ben impossible to pay. I think another part simply said kill. You're right as far as what extremist means. But my point is they are being "proper muslims" if they kill apparently. That's why it's a dangerous religion and the U.S. acts all scared to not allow tons of them to come into the country who weren't already ehre.
11/6/2009 9:41:32 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
winxi Saint Louis, MO age: 50	Quote from latestflame: I haven't read it, no. But I've seen excerpts where it instructed to kill if people will not convert to islam. I believe in one part it said anyone who is not Muslim should be given a choice of either dying, converting, or paying some tax so large that it would have ben impossible to pay. I think another part simply said kill. You're right as far as what extremist means. But my point is they are being "proper muslims" if they kill apparently. That's why it's a dangerous religion and the U.S. acts all scared to not allow tons of them to come into the country who weren't already ehre. I think that what you are talking about, "dying or converting", is according to Sharia Laws.
11/6/2009 9:48:06 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
double_o_rifle Houston, TX age: 42	Quote from passionsastirin: They are too worried to sound politically incorrect. Why did the soldier kill his fellow soldiers in Texas? Because he was a Muslim. He was American born, but, he related to the Muslim enemy, instead of the other American soldiers. Maybe a sleeper cell member. Well, whatever the case, this guy is like you stated...an American born citizen. Therefore he is entitled to every right that Ted Bundy or any other mass murderer received. We could call this a domestice terrorist attack and basically that is what it is. However, I would lump this guy with a terrorist organization unless it is proven that he is or was a member. Even then he is still entitled to every right due an American born citizen. I would try this guy not only for murder but for being a traitor to this country. When he found out he was being deployed to fight against other muslims...well he simply wasn't about to do that. He needs to be found guilty and publicly hung from the talles Sequoia Redwood California has to offer. [Edited 11/6/2009 9:50:13 PM PST]
11/6/2009 10:06:55 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
latestflame Memphis, TN age: 32 online now!	Well as far as this particular guy I just don't know why they didn't just kill him. they witnessed wheat he did. they know there is no question he did it. They should have made sure they shot him in places that took care of him. Nobody wants bin-laden captured, theyw ant him killed. When you're flat in the MIDDLE of killing I just think it's kind of pathetic to be concerned about keeping them alive for a trial where money will be spent and whatnot.
11/6/2009 10:10:34 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lobo_corazon Kingston, ON age: 40 online now!	Quote from latestflame: I haven't read it, no. But I've seen excerpts where it instructed to kill if people will not convert to islam. I believe in one part it said anyone who is not Muslim should be given a choice of either dying, converting, or paying some tax so large that it would have ben impossible to pay. I think another part simply said kill. You're right as far as what extremist means. But my point is they are being "proper muslims" if they kill apparently. That's why it's a dangerous religion and the U.S. acts all scared to not allow tons of them to come into the country who weren't already ehre. Could you present some evidence, better than half-remembered hearsay? Just search one of the "Qur'an online" sources for these quotes from Mohammed you're talking about, and then link it or post where it can be found therein. (I haven't heard what I guess you've heard, so I don't know what to search for.) --- As for taking him alive - I imagine they are quite anxious to question this guy. You can't get answers from a corpse. [Edited 11/6/2009 10:12:19 PM PST]
11/6/2009 10:40:38 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
latestflame Memphis, TN age: 32 online now!	link That oen says there are tons of mention of violence including instruction that people should behead people. So far I can't find the page I ocne linked to which tells the main verse which is very obvious it says to kill anyone who won't convert. It may be on this page linked to soemwhere down in those verses, but so far i haven't seen one that reminds me of the exact one i've seen before. I've linked to it on another site, but don't remember where I found it. I've heard a scholar in a radio interview go into detail about it though and he says all of the Muslims in the U.S. who do not stand for violence are actually not true muslims because it goes against the teaching that they need to kill all who believe differently than them. Meanwhile Christianity does not instruct any such thing. And I assume Judaism doesn't either. The Old Testament has a lot of violence in it, but obviously thatw as from before the time of Christ and things were done differently back then. So Christians who kill in the name of Christ are perverting the scripture, in my opinion. Wheras muslims who kill are doing what their scripture tells them to.
11/6/2009 10:48:13 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
motownmaniax New Baltimore, MI age: 49	One reason why we haven’t had many more domestic incidents like Fort Hood since 9-11 is because the American Muslim community has been so successfully integrated into our society. If not, we’d be hearing about an attack every week. Fort Hood looks to be what it is, isolated, and not part of any wider Islamic terrorist movement. This was a nice clip from a local TV station about local Muslim reaction. I can’t find an embeddable link, but here’s the URL: http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/21545808/ That said, the Muslim community in this country needs to be extremely vigilant and report “any” behavior by its members that could be construed as anti-American and potentially violent. Btw, that also goes to ALL violent extremists of any religious or political persuasion.
11/6/2009 11:07:29 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lobo_corazon Kingston, ON age: 40 online now!	Quote from that_wd_b_me: IMO Hasan is a traitor and terrorist,his crimes were the result of his muslim faith,I wish him a speedy recovery so he can be tried and executed for his crimes.political correctness be damned. The islamists find aid and comfort in the drivel of the hate America left. This is our progressive friends who worry so much about gay rights which are nonexistent under sharia law homosexuals are routinely put to death.They are so concerned about "a woman's right to choose" they make me laugh.Under islamic regimes there is no woman's right to choose anything. here's to the new useful idiots The ironic thing about your post is that you point out why the laws of "islamic regimes" are right-wing and backwards, yet you then turn around and try to associate them with left-wing "progressives". Do you not get the contradiction in your thinking? "Holy warriors", people being murdered for their sexual orientation, and repression of women are all aspects of the extreme right, disdained by the left. It's people who think like you who support that stuff... As well as the idea of persecuting people for their religion.
11/6/2009 11:32:37 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lobo_corazon Kingston, ON age: 40 online now!	Quote from latestflame: link That oen says there are tons of mention of violence including instruction that people should behead people. So far I can't find the page I ocne linked to which tells the main verse which is very obvious it says to kill anyone who won't convert. It may be on this page linked to soemwhere down in those verses, but so far i haven't seen one that reminds me of the exact one i've seen before. I've linked to it on another site, but don't remember where I found it. I've heard a scholar in a radio interview go into detail about it though and he says all of the Muslims in the U.S. who do not stand for violence are actually not true muslims because it goes against the teaching that they need to kill all who believe differently than them. Meanwhile Christianity does not instruct any such thing. And I assume Judaism doesn't either. The Old Testament has a lot of violence in it, but obviously thatw as from before the time of Christ and things were done differently back then. So Christians who kill in the name of Christ are perverting the scripture, in my opinion. Wheras muslims who kill are doing what their scripture tells them to. ...Or what someone interpreted their scripture to say, much like the KKK rationalised their behavior towards blacks with the Bible, right? Good link, lots to wade through I'll try to search through it though, looking for that "smoking gun" call to genocide against non-Muslims that you allude to. There's no doubt that Christ was a pacifist, and his example was very different than Muhammad's... And there are certainly Muslims who use the Qur'an to justify violence, that's clear. The questions are, what do the bulk of Muslims believe (I'm sure you have heard Muslim clerics talking of Islam as a religion of peace as well)... And which school of thought is right? My biggest problem with the Muslim faith is the lack of an obvious united front against the jihadists. There's always an "influential cleric" denouncing the infidels and calling for suicide bombings or whatever, and you have to wonder why his superiors in the Muslim world aren't denouncing him. But then, I don't know much about how their heirarchy is structured... Maybe it's quite "flat" and those guys really don't have superiors to rein them in, like the Vatican might if some priest started going off from the pulpit about killing all the Jews? Don't know on that one. In "The End of Religion" Bruxy Cavey opines that the problem is the way the Qur'an is written, with disjointed verses often lacking context (and too easy to quote out of context, warping the intent). Muhammad was a military general, and understandably talked about fighting and war (quite unlike Christ's experiences and attitude). But in Cavey's well-presented opinion it's just too easy to take a passage that talks about defending Muslim lands against invasion and turn it into justification for terrorist attacks. (Unlike the Gospels, where messages of peace and inclusion are presented very clearly with parable examples and painstaking clarification.) Good book, worth a read!
11/6/2009 11:42:31 PM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
latestflame Memphis, TN age: 32 online now!	I only glanced through it so far. Most of what i read in that link seemed more open-ended than the verse I remember from the past, so hopefully i find it. But still those verses are far from peaceful and the summary before it is saying there is very little at all in the religion that is anything peaceful. Also didn't al quaida officlas actually flat out say they would attack us from within? So common sense would show (especially since they plan things out for a long time before executing) that a lot of the muslims in the U.S. who seem peaceful may really be involved in future plans. Some obviously aren't, but not knowing the religion well I personally wonder what they do get out of the religion if not much of it is related to peaceful feelings. I guess there iss till a peaceful relationship felt with God in the religion. I dunno.
11/7/2009 2:48:49 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from hunter12gauge: As memory serves me concerning the KKK, rig...your all wet on this one. The KKK was a group of men in the early developement of this country who formed a secret society to bring about justice for their communities. The "original" intent of the klan was to secretly dispense justice under the guise of anominity to who ever was screwing up in their particular community. Later as injustices became more aggregious they banded together fom different communities and helped each following out with the anominity of their acts. No the original KKK were not by any means "terrorists",they were just plain folks who asministered their own brand of justice. They(originally) never accosted anyone who was completely innocent. Quote from hunter: No the original KKK were not by any means "terrorists", they were just plain folks who administered their own brand of justice" Really! Here a definition of your original KKK The first branch of the Ku Klux Klan was established in Pulaski, Tennessee, in May, 1866. A year later a general organization of local Klans was established in Nashville in April, 1867. Most of the leaders were former members of the Confederate Army and the first Grand Wizard was Nathan Forrest, an outstanding general during the American Civil War. During the next two years Klansmen wearing masks, white cardboard hats and draped in white sheets, tortured and killed black Americans and sympathetic whites. Immigrants, who they blamed for the election of Radical Republicans, were also targets of their hatred. Between 1868 and 1870 the Ku Klux Klan played an important role in restoring white rule in North Carolina, Tennessee and Georgia http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkkk.htm Ku Klux Klan (KKK), informally known as The Klan, is the name of several past and present hate group organizations in the United States whose avowed purpose was to protect the rights of and further the interests of white Americans by violence and intimidation. The first such organizations originated in the Southern states and eventually grew to national scope. They developed iconic white costumes consisting of robes, masks, and conical hats. The KKK has a record of using terrorism,[2] violence, and lynching to murder and oppress African Americans, Jews and other minorities and to intimidate and oppose Roman Catholics and labor unions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan =========================== There you go hunter, the KKK were terrorizers, torturers, and killers, and like many Muslim Jihads extremists, both are terrorist groups. Once again, there were 4 million KKK members in 1920, and that equates to approximately 15% of the male population, therefore 15% of Christian men were once terrorists. Lets take a look at the OP's thread title and opening remarks; "The media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous" and her opening remarks They are too worried to sound politically incorrect. The same thing could be said about the KKK...at one time, the media wouldn't dare to say that the KKK were dangerous and/or terrorists. [Edited 11/7/2009 3:05:16 AM PST]
11/7/2009 4:01:32 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	By the way, 99.9% of Muslims who committed a terrorists act against Americans were in fact Sunni extremists, and Shiite Muslims who represents 20% of the Iraqi population are currently the governing religious party. You ask any U.S. soldiers about who are the suicide bombers, and aggressors in Iraq, and they all going to say that the Sunnis have been terrorizing both the coalition and Shiites. However, the Shiites have once attacked Americans, but that was because the U.S. government have supported the Sunni governments of Saddam Hussein, the Syrian sponsored Sunni government in Lebanon, Sudan, and last year...Libya. There is also a Shiite government in Iran, and recently some of their commanders were attacked by Sunnis. IMO, if 99.9% of all terrorists acts against the U.S. were committed by Sunni extremists, then the U.S. should support the Shiites. At least, when they are not provoked, they leave Americans alone. And yes, Al-Qaeda are Sunnis [Edited 11/7/2009 4:17:44 AM PST]
11/7/2009 4:18:48 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
latestflame Memphis, TN age: 32 online now!	When did the U.S. ever support Hussein's government? That had to have been mighty long ago. Now I just read an AP article where a lot of Muslims are saying these actions do not represent Islam. But obviously they do since so much of the teachings are about violence, so whoever they claim it to needs to ask them to give any example as to how this is not true Islam.
11/7/2009 4:35:29 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from latestflame: When did the U.S. ever support Hussein's government? That had to have been mighty long ago. Now I just read an AP article where a lot of Muslims are saying these actions do not represent Islam. But obviously they do since so much of the teachings are about violence, so whoever they claim it to needs to ask them to give any example as to how this is not true Islam. Shiite-Christian alliance shakes Lebanon politics Associated Press Tags : nation, lebanon, shiite christian alliance, politics Posted: Tuesday , Jun 02, 2009 at 1536 hrs Beirut: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/shiitechristian-alliance-shakes-lebanon-pol/470037/ ------------------------------------- Shiites Join Iraqi Christians For Holiday 25 Dec 2008 Iraqi Christians, a small minority in the overwhelmingly Muslim country, quietly celebrated Christmas on Thursday with a present from the government, which declared it an official holiday for the first time. In his homily on Thursday, Chaldean Cardinal Emmanuel III Delly praised the establishment of Christmas as an official holiday as a step toward easing tensions. “I thank it too for making this day an official holiday where we pray to God to make us trust each other as brothers,’’ he said at the Christmas Mass before several dozen worshippers in the small chapel of a Baghdad monastery. A senior Shiite cleric, Ammar al-Hakim attended the event, flanked by bodyguards, in a gesture of cooperation with Christians. “I thank the visitors here and ask them to share happiness and love with their brothers on Christmas. By this they will build a glorious Iraq,’’ the cardinal said. “We came here to bring a message of love, respect and gratitude to our Christian brothers and to share happiness with them as we have shared sadness with them during the cruel targeting they came under,’’ al-Hakim said in an interview with al-Furat TV. “We will do our best for equality between people and a good life for all, whatever their religious, sectarian and ethnic background.’’ http://thejakartaglobe.com/business/shiites-join-iraqi-christians-for-holiday/303407 ----------------------------- Seventeen Mennonite-Christian and Shiite-Muslim scholars meet in Iran Jeremy Bergen - 06/18/09 Mennonite Church Canada Email to a Friend Seventeen Mennonite-Christian and Shiite-Muslim scholars of religion met together for four days in Qom, Iran, to discuss the theme of peace and justice. The dialogue conference was planned and hosted May 24-27, 2009 by the Imam Khomeini Education and Research Institute (IKERI), under the direction of its president, Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi. Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) organized and sponsored the conference from the Mennonite side. -------------------------------- Latestflame, it is a well know fact that Middle East Christians and Shiites are able to get along, and respect each other. [Edited 11/7/2009 4:40:41 AM PST]
11/7/2009 5:01:19 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
kinkycapitalist Atlanta, GA age: 55	Almost as afraid as calling fundementalist Christian, doctor killing, Obama hating, gay bashing whackoloons. I wonder how many Muslims were and are Klan members, White Supremicists, Waco-Waco, Jim Jones Kool-ade drinkers? Is it more dangerous to believe that there is a man in the sky who will give us ice cream, harps and our own coulds or that there are 72 virgins in this or any other world?
11/7/2009 5:30:43 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from kinkycapitalist: Almost as afraid as calling fundementalist Christian, doctor killing, Obama hating, gay bashing whackoloons. I wonder how many Muslims were and are Klan members, White Supremicists, Waco-Waco, Jim Jones Kool-ade drinkers? Is it more dangerous to believe that there is a man in the sky who will give us ice cream, harps and our own coulds or that there are 72 virgins in this or any other world? Kink, American news papers never called Christians "anti-abolitionists", nor did they called the KKK "Christian terrorists". It is a well known fact that both groups had political influences, they were Christians, and there was a segment of the Christian population who were against their beliefs. Therefore, if we generalize the Muslim population as being dangerous, and terrorists, then we can also generalize the Christian population as racists and terrorists? Yeah but rig, that was 100 years ago. I know, but the point I'm making....can you admit today that in 1920, 15% of the male population were Christian terrorists, and that's no counting those who weren't among the 4 million registered KKK members, but supported their cause? I know as Christians it's difficult to admit, but why is it so easy to portrait all Muslims as dangerous, and terrorists. [Edited 11/7/2009 5:44:57 AM PST]
11/7/2009 5:45:53 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
kinkycapitalist Atlanta, GA age: 55	I forget, what religion was Timothy McVeigh, Suni or Shia?
11/7/2009 5:50:33 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
flawedbutfun Ann Arbor, MI age: 52	Quote from passionsastirin: Why did the soldier kill his fellow soldiers in Texas? Because he was a Muslim. Really! WOW!
11/7/2009 6:23:17 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
fzappa Oklahoma City, OK age: 52	Quote from flawedbutfun: Really! WOW! This has to be the most racist thread of the year on DH... [Edited 11/7/2009 6:51:05 AM PST]
11/7/2009 6:30:07 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
styx62ga2 Douglasville, GA age: 47	Quote from latestflame: The Quran (and Mohammed) flat out taught to use violence for non-muslims. People who use violence are following the real teaching. The extremeists are the peaceful ones when it comes to Muslims. Mohammed was all about violence. That's just fact. You get the gold medal you are 100 percent in the bullseye on that comment
11/7/2009 6:33:05 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
ravenschief Baltimore, MD age: 50	The Army knew this dude was dangerous and overlooked him.He was being watched and yet put him in a position to be armed.He should have been drumed out of the army or discharged. We cannot go around blaming all Muslims, just like we cannot blame any other killings by Christains and jews.His acted on his crazed view just by himself.
11/7/2009 6:36:44 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
geana824 Murfreesboro, TN age: 53	??? If the media was afraid to say, how do we all know this, and where is all this speculation amongst us coming from? Let us guess, a little birdie told us so!
11/7/2009 7:05:24 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
born_american Plymouth, MI age: 59	Just read the Koran. It is a violent book not what the Muslims say is a religion of love. It is about the annihilation of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslim faiths. It is also about the Laws of Hammurabi and slavery. In the Wahabi mosques in this country built by our friends in Saudi Arabia, death to America is preached constantly. With Michigan having the largest enclave of Muslims outside of the Middle East. There are several sleeper cells that are formed right here in Dearborn and spread to other US cities. I know YOU don't hear about it because our rags (newspapers) rarely go out on a limb to print it. It is on our radio stations, if only for a few hours, before a judge shuts them up! Nice religion...I THINK NOT! [Edited 11/7/2009 7:09:30 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:10:18 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
moraldk325 State College, PA age: 45	Y'all have convinced me...I am converting to Islam! Not because I actually BELIEVE any of that crap...but just so I am not associated with such stupidity as I have seen here.
11/7/2009 7:14:22 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lariska North Miami Beach, FL age: 54	Quote from moraldk325: Y'all have convinced me...I am converting to Islam! Not because I actually BELIEVE any of that crap...but just so I am not associated with such stupidity as I have seen here. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And don't forget about all those VIRGINS waiting for you ...
11/7/2009 7:15:50 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
fzappa Oklahoma City, OK age: 52	Quote from born_american: Just read the Koran. It is a violent book not what the Muslims say is a religion of love. It is about the annihilation of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslim faiths. It is also about the Laws of Hammurabi and slavery. In the Wahabi mosques in this country built by our friends in Saudi Arabia, death to America is preached constantly. With Michigan having the largest enclave of Muslims outside of the Middle East. There are several sleeper cells that are formed right here in Dearborn and spread to other US cities. I know YOU don't hear about it because our rags (newspapers) rarely go out on a limb to print it. It is on our radio stations, if only for a few hours, before a judge shuts them up! Nice religion...I THINK NOT! All extremists are arseholes no matter what the religious they choose to pervert. From your precious bible: "If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through." (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." (Deuteronomy 20:13-14) "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53) "The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6) "... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12) "This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and a** .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8) "The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open." (Hosea 13:16) "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" (Jeremiah 48:10) Is this really the "word of God" or the cruel thoughts of Bronze age warriors? Did you know this was in the bible? If not then are you shocked? If you did know it was there then is Christianity really about a healthy loving relationship or is it a case of the Stockholm syndrome? " [Edited 11/7/2009 7:16:56 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:24:24 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
moraldk325 State College, PA age: 45	Quote from lariska: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And don't forget about all those VIRGINS waiting for you ... Wouldn't matter if there were 1000 flea infested crackwh*res waiting for me...it would still be better than having any attatchment to such MIND NUMBING idiocy. [Edited 11/7/2009 7:26:47 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:28:24 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lariska North Miami Beach, FL age: 54	Quote from moraldk325: Wouldn't matter if there were 1000 flea infested crackwhres waiting for me...it would still be better than having any attatchment to such MIND NUMBING idiocy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm...From virgins to whres..You are easy to please
11/7/2009 7:33:51 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
tater79 Springfield, IL age: 30	Quote from rig216: passionsastirin, U.S. population in 1920...106 million KKK membership in 1920....4 million Percentage of U.S. male citizens who were a KKK member....15% It is obvious that 15% of Christian men in the U.S. were once terrorists. In 1920, do you think the American media would have said such a thing? UUUUUUuMMMMMMMMm let me say this RIG, If they are were KKK, they are not Christians, don't associated them that way.. but along with your way of thinking...what about what would be the percentage of minotiy groups that are in gangs that should/could also be called terrorists?????????
11/7/2009 7:43:07 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
styx62ga2 Douglasville, GA age: 47	We already know you are stupid no need to be worried about associating yourself with it. For moraldk325 [Edited 11/7/2009 7:43:56 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:43:24 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
kinkycapitalist Atlanta, GA age: 55	Was it a crescent that the KKK burned? No! A moegen david? no. Mickey Mouse ears? Nah. A Budha? Yeah, that's it! [Edited 11/7/2009 7:43:34 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:44:04 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
rig216 Red Deer, AB age: 47 online now!	Quote from geana824: ??? If the media was afraid to say, how do we all know this, and where is all this speculation amongst us coming from? Let us guess, a little birdie told us so! Geana, on many DH member's sub-conscience and conscience mind, we've heard a lot about "We should just drop the bomb", and all our problems would be solved. The media would never say such a thing, not because they are afraid, but some thoughts are better kept unsaid.
11/7/2009 7:44:37 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
moraldk325 State College, PA age: 45	Quote from tater79: UUUUUUuMMMMMMMMm let me say this RIG, If they are were KKK, they are not Christians, don't associated them that way.. but along with your way of thinking...what about what would be the percentage of minotiy groups that are in gangs that should/could also be called terrorists????????? Suckered into the scam! The bible INDEED speaks of violence against non believers. Just as most religious scripture does. Yet Christians have a PARTICULAR crafty way around this FACT. They simply deny it. Then when someone does something in the name of christianity, christians can all collectively deny that it had anything to do with Christianity. "Oh, the hundreds of thousands of people put to death BY THE CHURCH, ITSELF over the years isn't REAL Christianity...it's just a bunch of people who don't understand!" And OF COURSE, you happen to be one of the few who UNDERSTAND, right?? Yea, right! My religion is as peaceful as it gets, and I still think THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU...both Muslim and Christian, should be bulldozed into a fkin' DITCH so the rest of us wouldn't have to endure your constant stupidity and playground childishness. The PROBLEM is that you take this SHIT too literally. It is nothing more than POLITICS which are regional. And Islam is based on their regional politics. An INFIDEL is someone who bothers them...which, IF YOU STAY THE FK OUT of their region, IS IMPOSSIBLE! But Christians can't find it in themselves to MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS. [Edited 11/7/2009 7:47:50 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:45:14 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
styx62ga2 Douglasville, GA age: 47	Yeah and most ofthe KKK were associated with The Democratic Party not true Christians that the Bibble represents just imposters for kinkycapitalist [Edited 11/7/2009 7:45:40 AM PST]
11/7/2009 7:49:15 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
moraldk325 State College, PA age: 45	The beauty of Christianity! You can always deny that any wrongdoing is a part of your religion...just a few rogues! No one else can do that.
11/7/2009 7:58:32 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
lobo_corazon Kingston, ON age: 40 online now!	Quote from born_american: Just read the Koran. It is a violent book not what the Muslims say is a religion of love. It is about the annihilation of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslim faiths. It is also about the Laws of Hammurabi and slavery. In the Wahabi mosques in this country built by our friends in Saudi Arabia, death to America is preached constantly. With Michigan having the largest enclave of Muslims outside of the Middle East. There are several sleeper cells that are formed right here in Dearborn and spread to other US cities. I know YOU don't hear about it because our rags (newspapers) rarely go out on a limb to print it. It is on our radio stations, if only for a few hours, before a judge shuts them up! Nice religion...I THINK NOT! I take it you've read the Qur'an? Which edition? I haven't been able to make it past the first chapter myself, but it didn't seem very violent. A lot of "God is love" and what have you. The Bible now, I've read cover to cover - And as someone pointed out above, there's plenty of violence and brutal war in the Old Testament. Of course that part of the Bible comes from a time when the tribes of Israel were actively on the warpath (and their leaders were using religion to motivate them to brutal agression)... Exactly like the Muslims were when Muhammad was writing. What is it the Bible says - Don't worry about the mote in your neighbor's eye until you've dealt with the plank in your own?
11/7/2009 7:58:44 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
r2d21 Suttons Bay, MI age: 60	Quote from moraldk325: Y'all have convinced me...I am converting to Islam! Not because I actually BELIEVE any of that crap...but just so I am not associated with such stupidity as I have seen here. I abandoned the Christian Religion long ago when it became clear to me that it's populated by violent, warring, racist, vial and immoral people who I was ashamed to associate myself with. More and more decent Americans are abandoning that religion every year which is what happens when a religion is perverted from within. Christians are a serious threat to our democracy today and a serious threat to world peace. All one needs to do is read a little history and open ones eyes to come to the same conclusion.
11/7/2009 8:04:08 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
daddydeep Walterboro, SC age: 67	Quote from r2d21: I abandoned the Christian Religion long ago when it became clear to me that it's populated by violent, warring, racist, vial and immoral people who I was ashamed to associate myself with. More and more decent Americans are abandoning that religion every year which is what happens when a religion is perverted from within. Christians are a serious threat to our democracy today and a serious threat to world peace. All one needs to do is read a little history and open ones eyes to come to the same conclusion. Duly noted MoronD*ck and R2loser, it would be a pleasure to be your opposition when the proper time arrives for housecleaning.you two should get a room together . I say screw ALL Muslims, the ones who have NOT been violent have been SILENT< that means they condone it. If you two like that then screw you too.
11/7/2009 8:12:12 AM	Media seems to be afraid to say Muslims are dangerous.
styx62ga2 Douglasville, GA age: 47