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2/15/2008 5:30:44 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42

ALL of the things you are blaming religions for, are Human traits. Humans are responsible for those things, NOT the creator, That is free will, growth through conflict.

2/15/2008 5:33:43 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

adameve
Lacombe, LA
age: 46

i do love you and wish you well, becarefull, iam not looking God i no him.

2/15/2008 5:38:38 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42

Adam,

Jesus never said he was agOD, the roman catholic church turned him INTO that

go TO PBS.com or the Library maybe and watch from Jesus to Christ, it explains the transformation of Jesus the Prophet whos sole message was Love God, and Love each Other, The sermon on the Mount is ALL we KNOw of Christs message really,


The New Testament ( all of it ) was written from 55 years at the earliest, and 200 years at the leatest ( being Revelations) which was written to the enslaved jews and early Christians that were enslaved in Rome. IT isn't for us at all. and was written 200 years after Christs death.

John was written 100 years after and almost didn't make it into the bible because it eluded to Jesus being flesh and the stance of the Roman Catholics was, that he was a GOD. but that wasn't the belief of all of the early Christians at all, The Roman Catholics suppressed the books that didn't agree with THEIR stance and that is why the Christian Bible ( the New Testament) doesn't appeal to me AT ALL.

jesus sermon on the MOUNT however, is BANG ON.

furthermore, Storm, you shouldn't throw around generalities, When Barack Obama was asked about Gay marriage in an attempt to piss the gays off at him, He said the Perfect Christian thing which was,

I, would never let an obscure passage from Leviticus, supercede the sermon on the MOunt.

That Is MY Senator, and I love him

2/15/2008 5:45:36 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42

ADAm, I do believe that He died on a cross,

I do not believe that there was anything supernatural about it, and neither did our founding fathers ( except maybe Adams)

Jesus' message was deliberatly made in a holy city, on a holy day, when it was common knowledge that NO protests would be tolerated, He threw the money changers out of the temple, and told the people DO not blindly trust the church leaders with your soul, seek GOD, they are the government, give them what is theirs and GOD what is GOds.

He knew full well what was going to happen to him. He did it to tell us to reject a state religion because they dont have your soul in mind, they have your money in mind, and some things NEVER Change.

I love Jesus and Buddha. I reject your superstitions as Roman Catholic Dogma designed to control us.

I accept Jesus' message of seek thee first the kingdom of GOD ( not the kingdom of Jesus, the kingdom of GOD the creator) I don't believe in the Immaculate birth , and neither did the early Christians, In fact, the Roman Catholics screwed up his birthday, and decided it should be Dec 25th which was a pagan holiday to opease the Pagans.

But Jesus message of question your source, is a GOOD< TRUE one.

2/15/2008 6:07:45 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 63

Sorry, Curious but Siddhartha Gautama became a Buddha, or enlightened one, when he discovered and walked the middle way, which. He was not born a Buddha, nor did he proclaim to be the first or only Buddha, he always stated all humans can reach enlightenment and break free of the bonds of illusion by walking the middle way. He determined this middle way at a time when he was leading a very severe ascetic life, was skin and bone and after hearing a teacher talking about music and saying. If the strings on the instrument are set too tight, then the instrument will not play harmoniously. If the strings are set too loose, the instrument will not produce music. Only the middle way, not too tight and not too loose, will produce harmonious music. This way the key he had sought and it changed his life totally, which brought about his enlightenment and subsequent travels and teaching with a small group of followers. He equated the middle way to not holding any strict views, but to flow harmoniously with life in a caring way so as not to harm unnecessarily any living thing.

Storm, Once again, you are assuming because I am American I am Christian, I am NOT
yet you constantly refer and use christian doctrine for support of your belief. Isn't that hypocritical in the extreme and rather bizarre to deny your something, then use it as the only reference you have.

You believe in the Abrahamic god, so you are a follow of that belief system which consist of christianity, judaism and islam. There is no other monotheistic god, just yahweh, so you may not be a christian, but you are an Abraham monotheist all the same. Unless you can show me another god,or religious works which talk of a monotheistic god, which isn't yahweh, then you are of the christian, jewish, muslim belief system. Denying it won't change the facts, but it does go with the belief

However, you state that your government apologized for its heinous acts. So this makes it alright now? I apologize so I am forgiven all my wrongs? Sounds like a Christian appeal to me from one who claims this is a mind of debauchery.


You seriously don't have a clue do you, where did I say the government apologising had cleared the wrongs, again you try to construct what is not there to support your unsupportable stance. They shouldn't;t have done it and should have apologised years ago, but the churches refuse to allow their political slaves to say anything until the weight of secular opinion has forced them to. Just like in your country with regard to your indigenous and all of the worlds indigenous who have suffered under the hand of gods followers.

Then you resort to quoting out of the very thing (bible),that you claim has no veracity as evidence for your position. My position of all that you are relying on within the bible is that it is all : "Metaphor and Philosophy with some literal actual events to live by and refer to in the guidance of future avoidance of problematic events repeating itself".


Now that's another blatant lie and another attempt to change truth.

I know of no religious doctrine that asks any individual to commit such heinous acts of violence towards society or mankind.


Your words addressed to mestrings all I did was give you a verifiable answer to your blind denial. It's your book, not mine which is witness to your untruth, which shows how emotionally out of control you are by grasping at delusional straws. Your frustration and bitterness is revealing your true self, very enjoyable to watch unfold.

2/15/2008 6:17:42 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42

Storm
No one said he was BORN Buddha, there is a virgin birth type story, and it was predicted that he was going to be a great leader, They said if he suffered he would be a world leader, if he didn't he would be a great leader like his Ftaher the Prince, They decided to imprison him so that he would be a great KING,
he chose different and escaped and witnessed suffering for the first time.

eventually he meditated under a tree for a really long time and he became THE buddha, the Awakened ONE

He WAS the first Buddha, He was NOT the first enlightened human. Nice try though.

2/15/2008 6:20:46 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42

Zoroastrianism????


I use many religious references Storm, I use Christian most because I recently read Mathew and Mark and havent read the quran in a few YEARS, I talk about Buddhism all of the time, what ARE you talking about? I end posts with Shalom alot, am I saying I am Jewish too?

I keep telling you I believe in NO ONE Faith but rather the truth that is in all of them.

2/15/2008 6:38:07 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51 online now!

Brother Storm

You certainly are one funny and delusional character my brother!

I can not believe you said :

Your words addressed to mestrings all I did was give you a verifiable answer to your blind denial. It's your book, not mine which is witness to your untruth, which shows how emotionally out of control you are by grasping at delusional straws. Your frustration and bitterness is revealing your true self, very enjoyable to watch unfold.


Which one of these so called bibles are attributed to me?
I do not receive royalties, nor do I see my name ascribed to any of the written texts my brother

Yes, I am confident you believe me to be frustrated and delusional; but it is not
myself who is frustrated. No, it is you

Damn, I love these emoticons

Peace and Love brother

2/15/2008 7:16:45 PMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

stormbay
Tasmania
Australia
age: 63

Pathetic reply strings no answer, just excuses, avoidance and more denial. Still one must take into account the primitive and infantile minds lack of understanding, it's your book of worship.

ALL of the things you are blaming religions for, are Human traits. Humans are responsible for those things, NOT the creator, That is free will, growth through conflict.


Growth through conflict, I see no growth in religious conflict, just destruction of the planet. Tell that to the hundreds of million lives destroyed by your religious conflict growth. All your doing is trying to excuse the reality of what you follow, a christian god and your following statements show that.

ADAm, I do believe that He died on a cross,


Christian belief without any verifiable evidence, at typical monotheistic delusion.

jesus sermon on the MOUNT however, is BANG ON.


There's a problem with the Sermon on the Mount found in the New Testament. There was no Bible as such until the 4th Century, so neither St. Thomas nor Tiruvalluvar (assuming that he had lived in A.D.) could have possessed one, and the Sermon on the Mount is known by historians to be a late interpolation to the New Testament. It is believed to have had a pagan author, which is why it expresses universal values and appeals to non-Christians. Christians did not use the cross to represent Christianity until after the 4th Century. So the "bleeding" cross on Big Mount cannot be attributed to St. Thomas. It has been correctly identified as Persian and dated to the 8th Century.

That's the problem you face with all your belief, no supporting evidence other than negative. If you believe the christian bibles with out supporting evidence, then you'd a christian. Otherwise you would dismiss the bibles under the weight of the evidence against their veracity and viewable expression of those who follow this book.

2/16/2008 4:45:53 AMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

adameve
Lacombe, LA
age: 46

If you are real, and really want the true, God will give you the answer. Sorry you are looking for a God, I need to pray for you, for my heart cry, so many lost sheep. if you will cry, and ask God for the true, you will be save, don,t harden your heart, be real and you will be save, my heart cry out to you, for here i know the true, no church gave me the answer, no man, my tears to God, my heart to no him, just like now my tears run down my face, here i no the only one true God, and he love you, and i love all of you. i can not get in debat, about God, as i said, i am not looking for God, he lives in heart,13year now i am save. for my tears to no him.save me, not debet try to understand, i will always love.

2/16/2008 5:15:23 AMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51 online now!

Happy Saturday Morning Sisters and Brothers All

Brother Storm, Hope everything is well with you today my brother

You posted :

Pathetic reply strings no answer, just excuses, avoidance and more denial. Still one must take into account the primitive and infantile minds lack of understanding, it's your book of worship.

That's the problem you face with all your belief, no supporting evidence other than negative. If you believe the christian bibles with out supporting evidence, then you'd a christian. Otherwise you would dismiss the bibles under the weight of the evidence against their veracity and viewable expression of those who follow this book.


My Brother, continually I try to impress upon you that it is the Philosophy of Jesus' interpretation for humanity that is the Treasure; To interact with others by "Loving them as you would want to be loved yourself." When humanity is able to accomplish this, then all other things will fall into place.

Big Business and Government is deteriorating the earth. Many of us feel the same disappointments over this dilemma. Rallying in unity and voicing out may bring the changes to respect our home (the planet),At least it is bringing forth the awareness to the world inhabitants.

And since any answer I reply to you is unacceptable for your palette, you will remain unsatisfied the rest of your days my brother. As it is that you fail to acknowledge and recognize what is considered to be Good for Humanity..ie (The Philosophy of Jesus).
Perhaps you have a better Philosophy other than Throw Away?

Again, It is the Documentation of the Philosophy of Jesus that I offer to you as Evidence;
which you will readily throw away once again....


In Peace and Love


2/16/2008 7:06:35 AMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64

Good morning, everyone!

It seems to me that we are seeing at the poles two very different epistemological positions being asserted. That is, we are reflecting different "ways" of knowing things.

There is, of course, the 'proof-based' and the 'faith-based' points of view. There are the objective and subjective points of view. The former say that our model of how the world works should reflect evidence. The latter say that 'belief' is sufficient.



(Continued)

Oceans

2/16/2008 7:08:50 AMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64

Where it becomes very interesting is when people start arguing about lies in between these poles. For example, a recurrent disagreement here (and in other threads) is whether the Bible constitutes objective proof or not. This is a fundamental issue. If the Bible is accepted as evidence, than those who are Christian can assert that they are proof-based. If the Bible is rejected as evidence, than Christians are left only with 'faith-based' knowledge. And could of course say the same thing of the Torah, the Quran, and the Book of Mormon. (My apologies to others: I do not know enough about Hinduism or Buddhism or Zoroastrianism, Bahaii, etc. to say anything about them.)



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2/16/2008 7:11:28 AMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64

There is one recurrent thread in Jewelz and Stormbay's postings that I would like to ask both of you about: It seems at times that you are suggesting that there is some sort of Machiavellian purpose behind (all) religions, to keep people in line, to stop them from thinking freely -- 'sheeple'. (My apologies if I am misrepresenting what you are saying. Please correct me if I am wrong.) Is this what you are suggesting? If so, who or what is behind this purpose? Who or what does it serve?

I can think a zillion examples of times when people buy into a way of thinking that in effect limits their ability to see things clearly or to think clearly. For example, our modern 'suburbs', calling gambling 'gaming', political movements, and fashion arbiters.

Are you, Jewelz and Stormbay, saying something more than this about religion? That is, is there something particular to religion and the motives behind its use to 'control' people?

Well, I hope I've these questions clearly!

Thanks. And thanks for hanging in there and reading this.

Oceans



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2/16/2008 7:17:01 AMIslam, Christianity and Judaism 

oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64

My apologies for the truncated posting: the site is saying that I have used 'script' which can't be posted. Not sure what that means, but the offending section turns out to be somewhere in this paragraph, which I omitted from the above:

Of course, our brains are not as simple as I have suggested here. For example, I have offered bipolar dichotomies (this or that choices), when in fact our brains and our discussions with others can and do hold multiple points of view.

Oceans


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