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| 2/1/2008 5:28:48 AM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | krupa1
Abilene, TX
age: 40
| Just the way he is darlin.....it is alot easier just to ignore his posts and move on to the more open minded people to talk to.
| | 2/1/2008 8:46:39 AM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | 
desertspider
London
United Kingdom
age: 27
| OK me luvy.I shall, I prefer the more open minded!!
| | 2/1/2008 9:38:04 AM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Queen
You made a statement that the 19 terorists could barely fly a plane, It sounded as if you were insinuating that they were stupid, or uneducated, and that is the opposite of the truth. every single terrorist that has bombed us and Brittain ( I am referring to the Islamic ones) have been educated people.
why would educated people fly planes into buildings? well because they are educated and live in a world where that education means nothing because there is NO freedom, they are kept out of the " global market" Western nations use food and medicine to get people to do what they want.
Can you imagine how horrible it would be to be a Doctor in a place where they torture people daily? and they stone people? and they devalue human life daily?
That is the definition of hell to me, Having knowledge and being unable to apply it. They are frustrated, not stupid.
Just some food for thought, Why would educated people kill themselves by blowing up other people?
What would it take to Make YOU do that? your family tortured? missing?
On HBO they had a documentary about 2 girls, One palestinian who strapped a bomb on her back and walked into a market. the other her victim an Israeli girl. They were the same age, lived not far apart really, but had completely different lives. They went into a prison to ask failed terorist bombers why they did it ( the mother of the victim did) what she found out, was many of the them, One in particular did it because their family members had been tortured and killed. They live under constant attack there. WE cannot imagine that, and no one in the UK that wasn't alive during the BLITZ can either.
funny, the Israeli mother wanted the Palestinian mother to renounce her daughters act, but the Palestinian mothers mindset was one, of, we live in a ghetto, It is easy for you to say stop the violence, when you can move freely in your own country, and don't get shot at daily, freedom fighter are terorists until they win, and the palestinians know this. We have created a violent bitter group of people here.
Tony Blair tried to bring in Investors ( western ones) to help the Palestinians financially, and Israel bombed them, while Mr Blair was still near by even.
Israel shows a complete disrespect for everyone but themselves. They refused to sign an agreement with us to be our allies, and they did that so they could do just what they are doing, whatever the hell they want, on our dollar. and they do it, because they THINK GOD is on their side. We should have learned that lesson from the Nazis, and cut Israel off completely. That would be fair.
| | 2/1/2008 9:46:50 AM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Don Frijole
Very well said, and thank you very much
I have been trying to say the same thing. I am tired of my government using its power to harm other people for the benefit of themselves and their friends, I just get called anti semitic, which is completely untrue.
I too watched the PBS special about Christ, it was amazing I had No idea there was one for judaism and Islam as well, I will definitely watch for that
Thank you, for your intelligent comments, there are some here that appreciate them
shalom
| | 2/1/2008 10:20:13 AM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| curious,"-why would educated people fly planes into buildings? well because they are educated and live in a world where that education means nothing because there is NO freedom, they are kept out of the " global market"
nonsense.
There are millions of educated people who lack "freedom" and who choose to not be terrorists.
the broad answer is that they have a defective reasoning. it could be genetic or learned (ignorance).
the radicals have hijacked islam in many areas and because of their military weakness and defective reasoning they use terrorist tactics.
the saudies are taking young terrorists and retraining them using muslim principles from
the quran.
the only way a terrorist can effect change of a government is if the government reacts to
them by suppressing their own citizens.
The battle of 911 did not defeat all of america; the reaction(out of fear and
ignorance) to that lost battle is what hurt america. And to the extent that america
reacted against it's own principles, the defeat was accentuated. The battle/defeat of
911 continues though there are other battles in other places that are arguably being won.
| | 2/1/2008 10:38:26 AM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| while I agree with you that 9-11 was made much worse by us not sticking to OUR principles,
I disagree with you in part about the oppression. I do not believe that personal oppression is what has pushed these cultures to violence, I DO believe that a lack of hope, and an expectaiton of further oppression of their loved ones IS.
Every human wants their offspring, and loved ones, to live a happy, healthy life, free from fear and oppression. These people are tired of their people not having it.
Had the tables been turned, we need only look at some of these militant posts regarding what the U.S> military should do, to see that things would be quite similar here. The only people more gun crazy than America, are the gun crazy Muslims. guess where the guns come from though? not africa.
Africa is becoming more and more dangerous, and China is doing there, what we did in Saudi arabia, they are creating governments where the people are expendable. The unified Muslims in Saudi Arabia curbed the murder of the Muslims there, but Africa is NOT purely Muslim, and they are killing each other at an alarming rate.
when 9-11 happened the first thing I thought was, they should turn it into a center for religious tolerance, and I thought I would be lynched for the sentiment. very Unamerican.
People need to realize, that when our founding fathers said In God we trust, they were NOT referring to the Christian God, they were referring to Our creator. whatever that may be. They were almost entirely deists, but the evangelical christian right here in America have hijacked our government, and given their loyalty to people that refer to them as sheep. (Rove, Bush) jeffersons biblew contains no miracles he didn't believe Christ was aGOD. and HE wrote our Declaration of Independence.
| | 2/1/2008 5:43:27 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | 
queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62
| I was not referring to the 19 as uneducated. However, they never flew large planes, they trained on small planes and most did not do all that well. It takes a bit of time to fly jumbo jets and I have a hard time believing they new exactly how to hit those towers to make them come down. Or for that matter to be that good a directing those planes into NY and to hit the towers and the Pentagon so perfectly.
| | 2/4/2008 3:37:00 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| I watched a PBS special on the collapse of the WTC, the reason that it fell the way it did, was because the joists at the sides were so strong, they bowed so far when they snapped they pancaked.
No matter where they hit, the heat from the fuel was going to do the same. They were smart enough to choose flights thatwere going to have the macximum amount of fuel.
And I think that It is a BIG mistake to dismiss their reasons for 9-11 as being purely religious fanatacism.
Not you personally queen, but many seem to want to dismiss them as just crazy, but that is foolish. It is exactly what King George did when the colonies started an uprising.
They wont destroy us, because they want what we have, they were trying to teach us a lesson thata it hurts to have your loved ones killed and horribly killed at that. They said so in their message. Theyw anted us to know how it felt to be in their shoes,
anyone that doesn't at least try to see things from their perspective, is courting disaster.
None of the Abrahamic religions have been peaceful, Israel bombed Palestine yet again today.
| | 2/4/2008 4:18:06 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "-many seem to want to dismiss them as just crazy, "
i have found no credible person saying that...in fact, those who have studied the
terrorist find them "normal". They may use mentally deficients, as they did recently in
iraq, but to have someone with mental problems in an organization that requires planning
and ability to carry out the plan is just not good management.
"It is easier to commit acts of terror when one "dehumanizes" the Other.
Humiliation leads to hate and to loss of identity and self-respect.
Humiliation increases thereby the risk for fanaticism and terrorism .
Every time we humiliate another human being, we get closer to becoming a terrorist and to
begetting one."
| | 2/5/2008 2:41:35 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Very well said Skunkbreath, thank you.
I can't think of anything worse than being educated and living in abject poverty, with all of your loved ones suffering as well. Knowing the answers are there, but being unable to use the knowledge that you have, how frustrating.
People that dismiss their suffering as crazy, or fanatic, are clearly living in denial.
It is disgusting when people that have suffered these horrific events can turn around and do the same thing to other people?
While I don't condone their actions, I certainly understand that there Must be an UNgodly amount of frustration in these peoples lives for them to live and die, in such horrible circumstances.
There is a Hubris evident in some of these threads that is terrifying, and shocking. Our education system is clearly not working when we can't even learn the lessons that the Romans learned, and apply them.
| | 2/5/2008 3:08:04 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "-the lessons that the Romans learned-"
my first thought was hadrian's wall ....it didn't work either. And the germans
suckered some roman legion into a morass of forest and killed them all...
| | 2/6/2008 3:21:01 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| The Lesson that I was referring to was the one where they expanded their Empire to the point that their government was insufficient to operate it. They gave absolute power to the Emperor who in turn became Greedy and they relied to heavily on Military Industrial Complex and it brought them down.( see G.W. Bush, D*ck Cheney, Iraq, Blackwater, KBR, CACI, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove,Donald Rumsefeld, and the Pentagon budget)
The saying when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail is true, and so is what goes around comes around.
And as for Hadrians wall, Isn't that exactly what they are talking about doing in Mexico?
No we apparentl;y havent learned a Damned thing but Hubris. which bring us back to the Romans.
| | 2/6/2008 3:23:55 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Why does anyone think Their behavior is abnormal for where they live? IT is acceptable to kill in their world, It is acceptable to hate, they live with it every day, with loss and with anger. what goes around comes around, seek and ye shall find, every religion is founded on the law of attraction and then we are shocked by the outcome?
rediculous
| | 2/6/2008 3:44:05 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "Hadrians wall,"...great wall of china, berlin wall, siegfried line, how many others?...monuments to fear, control of others, stupidity!
you can give reasons for terrorist behavior, but that really does not completely explain the phenomenon...there are probably many many times more that do not resort to that behavior...there seems to be certain types of people who are susceptable to that ...it seems to be a combination of things that leads to terrorism...killing all of them is not an option, as that will only produce more from the actions taken...addressing the root cause along with killing those who refuse to negotiate might work...hmmmm, who makes or made a point of not negotiating?
[Edited 2/6/2008 3:51:56 PM]
| | 2/6/2008 4:08:35 PM | Islam, Christianity and Judaism | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Both sides are refusing to negotiate. Saudi Arabians blew up our planes and building and we gave them alot of money and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.
Who exactly IS refusing to negotiate?
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