| 1/18/2008 12:35:13 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64
| Hi, everyone.
Mike Huckabee in Warren, Michigan said:
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."
What do you think?
The source and video is: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html
Oceans
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| 1/18/2008 10:33:06 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64
| Doesn't anybody have any thoughts on this? It is being carried on every news outlet and a real argument has broken out....
What do you think about what Huckabee said?
  
Oceans
[Edited 1/19/2008 10:04:09 AM]
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| 1/19/2008 10:06:30 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 64
| The Huckabee camp is meeting in private as we speak to figure out how to handle this.
What do you think he should do now that he has put this belief of his on the table? Can he just 'explain it away?' Claim fatigue? Stick with the statement and hope for the best?
Oceans
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| 1/19/2008 10:18:39 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
ericr64
Mount Pleasant, MI
age: 43
| I think we should amend the constitution so it is more in line with Zueses wishes. And then continue to borrow 3 billion dollars a day to dominate the planet and force everyone into our way of life.
Sounds a little crazy huh? That's what I was thinking.
[Edited 1/19/2008 10:31:58 AM]
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| 1/19/2008 10:28:35 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
deserted
Arlington, TX
age: 42
| "The United States Constitution never uses the word "God" or makes mention of any religion"
There must have been a reason for leaving religion out of the Constitution. Maybe our forefathers watched part 1 of Zeitgeist 
I think that is pretty scary for someone to come right out and say it...You know with words like that, he would make a great puppet for the elites!
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| 1/19/2008 11:24:33 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
ericr64
Mount Pleasant, MI
age: 43
| Why not come right out and say it? It gradually lessens the shock value. Helps the herd to accept.george bush had no problem saying "we are changing the world". Changing it into what form george, at what expense? Can anyone see our course? Does anyone care? Does anyone look at facts? Do most people agree with this course? Are we blind stupid or easily minipulated? According to general math, as we understand it today....We can't continue in the manner we have been. Sorry, this is'nt my oppinion, it's our reality. If the majority of Americans are content to remain ignorant and dismiss how thier government is mismanaging the country, thier future generations will pay the price. Apparently the majority of Americans are willing to let thier kids pay to hold on to thier way of life today. There's only one realistic and sane candidate for president that sees and understands freedom liberty and fiscal responsibility. I like god...but I believe if I want to jump off a cliff, He'll let me. Bla bla bla, I give up.
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| 1/19/2008 11:27:34 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 54
| The psy-ops that are being employed against the citizenry without their knowledge is designed to leave the population feeling hopeless and powerless. Even to the point of readying us to accept new changes in the fabric of the constitution which our country is founded upon.
We have unwittingly financed the very psy-ops that now control and establish the ideologies of the nation by assenting to the utilization of the counterfiet money/script that is generated by our economic masters.
And we thought we were getting a New Deal. More like a New Shaft. This was accomplished by a de-facto amending process to our Constitution that required our money to be backed by gold and silver.
The financiers control the political spectrum in a manner that designedly will continue to produce polarization between the members of society. Divide and conquer.
There is a war going on. A psy-ops war. Wake up  .
Do you really believe that you can ever be in control of your economic destiny if your monetary medium of exchange is artificially created by someone else at their pleasure, and you are taxed for the privilege of using it? 
 is going on inside your .
If you want to wake up????? then read Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. Its online. You might need more than the traditional American soundbite attention span to grasp it however.
Those of you political zombies who do not posses enough political and moral fortitude to face the truth better stick your heads back in the sand.
Lastrad
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| 1/19/2008 11:37:44 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 54
| Eric posted, If the majority of Americans are content to remain ignorant and dismiss how thier government is mismanaging the country, thier future generations will pay the price. Apparently the majority of Americans are willing to let thier kids pay to hold on to thier way of life today.
Now Eric though I agree with the thrust of your message what you state here is just not true. But is is what they want us to believe. It is much more palatable to think that you can either defer your payment to the future or possibly transfer it to someone else.
But the present fiat/debt based economic mechanics that are utilized for obtaining certain things in the present only inflates the amount of currency in the monetary system and thereby depreciates the value of those dollars presently in circulation.
This consequently diminishes purchasing power in the markets and we pay in the present.
The politicians want you to nelieve the other more palatable scenario but it is just a lie.
Lastrad
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| 1/19/2008 11:58:15 AM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
ericr64
Mount Pleasant, MI
age: 43
| Maybe I don't fully understand the system completely. My reasoning is that if I were to have my son cosign a loan for me and I died, he would be responsible for the remainder of the loan. Is this out of context with the economic situation at hand?
I understand what your saying Lastrad but leaving my children with a dollar that's worth much less than it was for me does'nt sound very attractive either. A rose by any other name....A turd by any other name still smells.........
I think the closer we stick to the basic structure of the constitution the better off we'll all be.
[Edited 1/19/2008 12:21:41 PM]
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| 1/19/2008 12:06:18 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
nicksterdemus
Little Rock, AR
age: 50
| Ha, ha! I knew it waz just a matter of time B4 the bible thumper Huckster let the preacher genie outa da bottle...
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| 1/19/2008 12:32:51 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 54
| Eric posted, Maybe I don't fully understand the system completely. My reasoning is that if I were to have my son cosign a loan for me and I died, he would be responsible for the remainder of the loan. Is this out of context with the economic situation at hand?
Yes, that is not exactly how it works. It is almost impossible to give a thorough economics lesson on DHU, but until people understand economics they will never understand politics.
Today money is created by the banking system through what is know as a fractional reserve banking policy. I will leave it to you to do your homework if you are interested in understanding that process. Read Modern money Mechanics by the Federal Reserve.
As for your co-signer analogy, your son would be liable to pay the debt in this present time although he could do so by maintaining the payments. However, lets just say that the government borrowed into existence new monies to cover the expenditures of a college grant program. If you recieve a grant and were to die before repaying the same, that money is already spent into circulation and has inflated the money supply by its amount.
It is that inflation of the money supply that constitutes the primary cause of inflation in the market place. Economic driver forces such as supply and demand create a secondary means of inflation in the marketplace. But even the effects of these secondary forces are both compounded and distorted by the inflationary forces that result from creating money artificially as a means to subsidize an economy.
Now if you died after having spent this artificial grant money into circulation the rest of society would continue to suffer the inflationary consequences without you there to aid them, by your production efforts.
Everyone suffers when artificial money is injected into the system. It's like watering down your blood.
Suppose you could artificially inflate the money supply by doubling the amount of money in circulation. By doing so, you would have devalued the present value of the money by 50%. The money would only be worth half as much, and those who were forced to utilize it as legal tender in exchange for their labors and resources would not be recieving just compensation.
But what most people overlook is the fact that the one who originally increases the money supply is able to aquire value in the market that day for what people in the market percieve that artificial medium to be worth. But once its inflationary effect are realized in the market, such a medium will no longer trade for the same value.
Hope this answers your question.
Lastrad
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| 1/19/2008 1:37:41 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
lastradicaldude
Lamar, CO
age: 54
| Eric posted, I think the closer we stick to the basic structure of the constitution the better off we'll all be.
Eric, we have long departed from that "sales agreement". It has many noble sounding platitudes, but when it comes down to actually demonstrating them in society, we have missed it as a nation.
For those in positions of power, It always was, and still is about, "In our fortune we trust?" They even put it on the dollar. the etymology of the word God is Gad. Pronounced Gawd. Gad was the deity of Fortune.
Both the Articles of Confederation and the later concieved Constitution were nothing more than charters for the new commercial enterprise the aristocrats were about to engage in. Do you really think it was about the liberty and life of the commoner?
Without the insertion of the Bill of Rights the sales agreement would have never been accepted. And the terms of the Bill of rights have been attorned, that is twisted, by the attorneys ever since for the benefit of the economic masters.
And you thought we were free? The minds of the citizenry has been captured by degrees, little by little. But the most insidious part of the capture took place when our economic medium of exchange was debauched and debased by the passage of amendments to our legal tender laws that supposedly authorize the utilization of artificial and fraudulent bankers script as money.
And when you leave our children with less valuable monetary mediums you have added to the state of economic slavery to which they will be born. How much more insidious could a state of facts leading to the perpetual economic slavery of our children be?
Wake up They're  for the lives of your children.
Lastrad
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| 1/19/2008 3:10:08 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
| same source.... you'd be surprised at the trivial they have there.. haha
Huckabee: 'We used to fry squirrels in a popcorn popper'
peace....don't be hatin'
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| 1/19/2008 5:51:48 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
pamela0324
Pasadena, MD
age: 54
| Oceans, Welcome to the forums. You are a breath of fresh and intelligent air. I have enjoyed reading your ideas and appreciate the thought and consideration you give to your posts.
Thank you for this thread. I am watching the religious fervor in this presidential race with some concern. I have waited for that "genie to pop out of that bottle," so to speak.
As for Huckabee, I hope his statement will be soon viewed as a major mistake, and the beginning of his undoing. We are seeking to select the next President of the United States, not finding our next Pastor-in-Chief. Our founders were very wise to establish this country as they did and to separate church and state.
The folks who go on and on and on about this country's religious "foundations" are clueless about the actual foundation upon which we are built. They know nothing of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence (besides the 4th of July, fireworks and red, white and blue). Its just a pep rally for them.
I watch and observe.
Peace,
Pam
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| 1/19/2008 6:33:37 PM | Huckabee, the Bible and the US Constitution | |
knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
| haha... pam. i'm real, i'm very conscious of our constitution, the bill or rights and in addition, the freedoms we all exercise.
huck is a breath of fresh air. someone doing rather well in the bid for president, much better than pat robinson has in the past. with who is running, i'd probably cast my vote to him at this moment. at least we'd have an honorable man in the white house for 4 years. congress pulls the strings up there, we all know it. it'd take 500 huckabee's up there to do any good.
yeah, and bring back prayer for Christians in schools. the other religions seem to have religious freedoms already.
peace.. don't be hatin'
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