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| 1/22/2008 10:06:59 PM | The THEORY of Evolution | | 
bigd9832
Bridgeview, IL
age: 55 online now!
| I know that there are too many people who think that Creationism and Evolution are at two different ends of the spectrum. But first let me clarify something. Evolution is a theory! Evolution is not a fact. It is actually an elaborate way to catagorize all the living species on this planet, which I think is great. Maybe, in that sense, it is more than a theory. It's kinda cool to observe that dogs, coyotes, and wolves have some of the same origins. Maybe share some genetic codes.
For years there have been non-Christians who have tried to use the Theory of Evolution to explain life and creation without the Creator. Here is the probelm with that. There are no scientists that can make life. There is no labratory where a species is being evolved. We can't do it! Until some scientists can figure out how to make life, or how to evolve a species, and have actual physical proof, it is just a theory. They can theorize all they like, but without physical evidence, it is nothing more than a theory.
It's alot like Einstien's theory. There is a reason it's not called Einstien's Law of Revativity. It's because we don't have anything that will travel twice the speed of light. Therefore, we can't prove it. There is no physical evidence that Einstien's theory works. Yet, we have sciences based on Einstien's Theory of Revativity.
So, Creationism is a theory. Evolution is a theory. If anyone says you are nuts for believing in one, or the other, well, that is a reflection on their own poor understanding. Athiests tell me that they want to see some physical proof that there is a God before they can accept Creationism. I say, show me actual physical proof that evolution is more than a theory, before I can accept your ideas.
But then, evolution is also represented in the Scriptures. Evolution is part of Creationism. I suppose you would need some of the ancient texts to know about that.
| | 1/23/2008 5:02:05 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | stormilove
Norman Park, GA
age: 47
| Amen to that my mom still tells the story about me in 2nd grade when the teacher tried to push the theory of evolution on me. I spoke up and said you may have come from apes but GOD made me. P.S. I got sent to the office and they called my mom. Stormi
| | 1/23/2008 5:59:35 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | 
stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51
| Sisters and Brothers All
An excerpt from your post my brother :
There are no scientists that can make life. There is no labratory where a species is being evolved. We can't do it!
With the way science is progressing I believe that they are not far from it really my brother. They are able to clone and although it is not of the understanding that you are trying to convey; It is debatable philosophically.
And I am definitely a firm believer of the Eternal Creator. And in this understanding I do believe that we are able to create life other than sexual conception.
The Ninth Creative Commandment/ Genesis 1 vs 26 : "Let Us Make Man In Our Image" and which is completed within the New Testament of :
"I Can Do All Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me"
Further more : If a Cat and a Rabbit is able to evolve a new species ( Cabbitt ), then man certainly should be able to as well. A little (Ill)- Logic and Reasoning.
In the Peace and Love
| | 1/23/2008 6:44:57 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | |
bigd9832
Bridgeview, IL
age: 55 online now!
| stringsvrs
I don't consider cloning as a way of creating life. And I don't think that just because we have the ability to have sex, does not mean that we create life. We have sex, God makes the life part. And cross-pollination is not what I call evolving a species. Nor is mixing 2 species together, called evolving a species.
When science is able to create life from scratch, or evolve a species, then we can talk about evolution as more than a theory. Until then, it is just a theory. Nothing more. And anyone who pretends that it is more than a theory, has a poor understanding of evolution and creationism. I will not say they are nuts. Some people are just plain slow.
| | 1/23/2008 6:54:07 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | 
swcw25
Woonsocket, RI
age: 49
| Thanks Bigd....Ive been seeing the way your explaining this topic,in several articles lately,but hesitated to post those "facts",in case I was not fully understanding what was being stated.
Now if someone would just get my 13 yr old to listen to this...ahhhh,mom would be happy!!!LOL.....peace
| | 1/23/2008 7:02:44 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | 
lust4love
Atco, NJ
age: 38
| it might be a theory but its also the basis of scientific fact that we use to create medicines. How many cures for ailments does the bible have or is jesus suppose to heal us ?
If we didnt test medicines on animals that were similar to humans were would we be medically?
| | 1/23/2008 7:45:46 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | |
bigd9832
Bridgeview, IL
age: 55 online now!
| Lust4love
As I stated in my opening post on this subject...
It is actually an elaborate way to catagorize all the living species on this planet, which I think is great. Maybe, in that sense, it is more than a theory. It's kinda cool to observe that dogs, coyotes, and wolves have some of the same origins. Maybe share some genetic codes.
I have no probelm with Evolution, as a theory. It is a facinating study. And I also stated, in my opening post...
It's alot like Einstien's theory. There is a reason it's not called Einstien's Law of Revativity. It's because we don't have anything that will travel twice the speed of light. Therefore, we can't prove it. There is no physical evidence that Einstien's theory works. Yet, we have sciences based on Einstien's Theory of Revativity.
But that doesn't change anything. There is still no one here that can create life or evolve a species. Did you even read the first post?
You also say...
How many cures for ailments does the bible have or is jesus suppose to heal us ?
I would say millions and millions of people claim to be healed by the power of God and His Son. Ever hear of Kathryn Kulman? Amy Simple McPherson? Just to name a few. I personally know many people who talk about the healing they have recieved from God and His Son. Some might argue that all healing comes from God.
Seriously, do some research.I am sure you will have no trouble finding testamonies of people that were healed.
| | 1/23/2008 8:21:48 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | rodlynn
New Britain, CT
age: 45
| Regarding the question of how life originated, astronomer Robert Jastrow said: “To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.” He added: “Scientists have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation.”
But the difficulty does not stop with the origin of life. Consider such body organs as the eye, the ear, the brain. All are staggering in their complexity, far more so than the most intricate man-made device. A problem for evolution has been the fact that all parts of such organs have to work together for sight, hearing or thinking to take place. Such organs would have been useless until all the individual parts were completed. So the question arises: Could the undirected element of chance that is thought to be a driving force of evolution have brought all these parts together at the right time to produce such elaborate mechanisms?
Darwin acknowledged this as a problem. For example, he wrote: “To suppose that the eye . . . could have been formed by [evolution], seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”9 More than a century has passed since then. Has the problem been solved? No. On the contrary, since Darwin’s time what has been learned about the eye shows that it is even more complex than he understood it to be. Thus Jastrow said: “The eye appears to have been designed; no designer of telescopes could have done better.”
If this is so of the eye, what, then, of the human brain? Since even a simple machine does not evolve by chance, how can it be a fact that the infinitely more complex brain did? Jastrow concluded: “It is hard to accept the evolution of the human eye as a product of chance; it is even harder to accept the evolution of human intelligence as the product of random disruptions in the brain cells of our ancestors.”
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| | 1/23/2008 8:53:50 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | |
lust4love
Atco, NJ
age: 38
| Christians didnt believe scientist would be able to clone life but they did. I don't need anymore proof than that. I just think there will always be a battle between modern science and religion.
Its like this. You either go with what science finds to be true or you try to disprove it and close your mind to moving ahead. Science to me is the progress of human intelligence.Religion is the progress of human mind control.
[Edited 1/23/2008 8:58:08 AM]
| | 1/23/2008 9:04:40 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | rodlynn
New Britain, CT
age: 45
| Lust, you are mixing apples and oranges, this is what I would expect from you.
Passing live on to the next generation through SEX and/or cloning existing life
that was created by GOD is NOT, - I REPEAT - NOT creating life.
You simply do not understand this topic, and should therefore stay quite.
[Edited 1/23/2008 9:06:34 AM]
| | 1/23/2008 9:04:49 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| UMMM,
Evolution neither proves or disproves GOD. IT doesn't try to prove or disporove GOD
I will say it yet again
Evolution is like a cake mix. IT tells us what ingredients went into creation, what the order was they were added, how long the cake baked,
IT does NOT tell us who made it, or for what purpose.
Anyone that thinks Evolution disproves GOD, is sadly mistaken.
One is a measurable science, and the other is a spiritual belief, One is measurable , the other is NOT
GOD is whatever force that started the Evolutionary process. Evolution is the steps GOd took that brought us to where we are NOW.
| | 1/23/2008 9:09:32 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| and actually, Lusts point hold just as much validity as any of the others. He is RIGHT
Evolution is based on scientific fact, stop believing the scared little christians that can't accept that the world wasn't created in a day. Evolution is the truth because whatever our creator IS, Evolution is the path that was used to get us here. period.
| | 1/23/2008 9:22:53 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | rodlynn
New Britain, CT
age: 45
| As far as I understand it, if you can't prove EVOLUTION, than evolution can't prove anything, we are talking about PROVING EVOLUTION, and the problems associated with the theory of evolution this thread is not about proving the existence of GOD.
Let's all try to stay on topic here, it is very easy to shift focus when you have nothing to add.
curiousone2, based on your post I am certain that you will prove this theory for us, I CAN"T WAIT
Further, read (2Pe 3:8) The earth was created in 6000 years, our time, (Gen 2:1,2)
I assume you will disprove this also, I am not curious, I am confident
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| | 1/23/2008 9:44:04 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| UMMM, exactly the point.
They are not comparable.
all laws were theories first.
| | 1/23/2008 10:14:00 AM | The THEORY of Evolution | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| Of the different theories of evolution, i assume you are refering to Darwinian Evolution that, now, fewer scientists are ascribing to. That type of evolution does not exist. It is just illogical and a gross misinterpretation of evidence. The evidence points toward intervention/creation, the process of which is still not known but can only be speculated at.
Evolution within a species is observable and logical.
Science has not progressed to the point of creating life yet, but any pronouncement that it will not happen is much like all other superstitious pronouncements of what will or will not be done. Remember, it has only been a few years since the mapping of the genome and untill a complete understanding of that is known, i doubt if viable life will beable to be produced. And the complexity of the "simple cell" is such that, if or when it does happen, the life forms produced will be at that level. Give this a few hundred years to play out.
All evidence that i have seen points toward a creative force of life so far advanced above us that it could be considered a god. There is the possibility that even that which is considered god is only another being/energy created by an underlying process that even it does not understand completely.
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