| 2/8/2008 7:30:48 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
rodlynn
New Britain, CT
age: 45
| Many people believe that forgiveness is guaranteed, what do you believe?
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| 2/8/2008 9:33:15 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| I don't believe it is required, I think that when we die, our souls are no longer in our body and when our energy is released the negative energy seperates from the positive energy, because as we know they cannot hold onto each other and exist without a form to bound them too right?
so I think that when our energy seperates we experience our sins and are released from them. I think the bad energy, becomes part of the cvollective bad energy and th good energy becomes part of the collective good energy.
I think that when people talk about everyone being there, and knowing all things, it is because they have become a part of the collective consciousness that is good energy ( or God)
The definition of Hell is seperation from God. I think that part of everyone becomes heaven and part becomes hell, the goal is to be more of one than the other. That is why it says in all religions that we should love each other like we want to be loved, and don't judge, because you will be judged by the same standards.
If a person is always feeling judgmental things about other people than they cannot be very positive.
I Think the reason we apologise and ask for forgiveness is because we are supposed to try and make ammends for the wrongs we do because the good energy that comes from apologizing effects you, and that person. so it creates good. But you have to repent, and not do it again too, and you have to really be sorry for what you did, or the bad energy is still there.
Good question by the way.
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| 2/9/2008 3:14:18 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62
| No it is not free you have to become a 'slave for christ'.
[Edited 2/9/2008 3:14:48 AM]
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| 2/9/2008 3:53:59 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51
| Queen,
there you go! you beg for a site to discuss your ideas with others, somewhere where you won't be bothered by Christians and here you are taking a shot at them. Maybe you should do some self examination. No where was the question asking a Christian question. curiousone is not Christian and gave her opinion quite well, not my opinion, but hers.
So let me not disappoint you and give you something read: Jesus took the sins of the world upon himself and crucified them with himself and defeated death on the cross so whosoever shall believe on Him shall have everlasting life. Not quoting scripture, paraphasing.
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| 2/9/2008 3:59:31 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62
| Who cares. Nobody has come over to that forum to even keep the conversation current. I do not keep telling you to go to the christian forums do I? Why do you think you have the right to tell me where I can post? I did not say anything to you, why do you think you have to keep worrying about what I say??
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| 2/9/2008 4:38:16 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
rodlynn
New Britain, CT
age: 45
| Queen write:
No it is not free you have to become a 'slave for Christ
queen, you once told me you studied the bible for five years, while curious only claims
to have read it, yet her response was far more complete and accurate than yours.
I am surprised that this wasn’t a very easy question for you, the bible teaches three things
are required, all three of which were mentioned
1) Forgive us our sins as we forgive, in other words “do not judge others”
2) Faith in Jesus, “whosoever shall believe on Him shall have everlasting life.”
3) Repent, Stop sinning, stop repeating the same mistakes over and over
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| 2/9/2008 6:15:17 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
krupa1
Abilene, TX
age: 40
| I suppose my problem is that I don't believe in sin......I believe in right and wrong...
I do my best to do what I believe is right to the best of my abilities. When I do screw up and do something wrong...I recognize it and do my best to not repeat my mistakes.
That is really the only thing that seems right to me.....if God is gonna punish me for my approach....so be it.
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| 2/9/2008 6:58:38 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62
| I am just repeating what a christian on this forum stated recently. I don't know what you two have a problem with me today, I am not saying anything different than usual. I do not like nor respect the organized christian religions.
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| 2/9/2008 10:09:00 AM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
age: 55
| But Krupa1, sin/not sin and right/wrong are the same things! If it's wrong, it's a sin. If it's right, it's not a sin!
To split hairs, there are some things that might be wrong that are not sins, for instance, errors in judgment about job choices, money spending, etc.
The human race's sins are not automatically forgiven just because Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Each individual must repent of his or her sins and make an effort to avoid them in the future. Krupa1's post strongly implies that Krupa1 does exactly that (good for Krupa1).
In the Catholic Church, we distinguish between "mortal" sins and "venial" sins, the former leading to the eternal punishment of Hell if we don't repent of them, and the latter leading to the lesser and not-eternal punishment of Purgatory if we don't repent of them. This distinction has a basis in scripture, when St. Paul (or possibly St. John, to be honest with you I'm not sure which) (I'm not one of these people who can quote a lot of scripture chapter and verse) says that there are some sins that are unto death and some sins that are not unto death.
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| 2/9/2008 12:11:57 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62
| You sure do not get that idea from anything Jesus taught. Some more that was made up 300 years after Jesus died. He never said anything about a holy trinity either. But of course that does not matter since the church teaches it.
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| 2/9/2008 12:18:35 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Jesus Christ
said there were only 2 commandments.
1. Love God
2. Love Each other
all of the parables arwe saying the same things, be fair, love one another, share, take care of each other, try to avoid conflict,
I thought that Queen was being funny, and I thought her point was, that when Religion comes in and creates bad feelings,
IT is a SIN in itself, and I agree with her 100% If that is what she was saying, I don't wnt to put words into your mouth. But I certainly understand your feelings , especially in this political climate.
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| 2/9/2008 6:46:55 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
krupa1
Abilene, TX
age: 40
| Please don't get me wrong...not being combative when I say this....Why would God care about individual choices that we make....Our Jobs or our beliefs....our good deeds or our bad? I would tend to think that God may have more important shit on his/her/it's mind than my sexual escapades or My happy drunkytude. If I am a good man...I think that is an honorable enough goal that I can honestley strive for everyday. To Hell with the God that is too petty to accept it.
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| 2/9/2008 6:55:22 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51
| queen writes
"I do not like nor respect the organized christian religions"
this is your right but if you make remarks like being a slave to christ, expect a christian to say something to you.
in no way shape or form did the thread say anything about Christianity.
Jesus loves you anyway
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| 2/9/2008 6:57:18 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51
| Krupa,
you know I respect you and your views but I am sorry to say it will not be God that goes to Hell... just my belief.
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| 2/9/2008 8:26:07 PM | Is forgiveness for our sins free? What does God require from us? | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Krupa,
I think it matter because,
I do not think GOD is a person, or anything close to a physical being.
I think God is Energy, and I think God is Positive Energy, When you do something that is good, and it creates good feelings, and good energy, and then good actions, It makes more God, or at least changes God in some way.
I am not sure How I feel about negative, because there are definitely things that happen in this world that are evil and done purely to create more chaos and BAD energy, so I am not sure If I believe in a Satan or not. I tend to think NOT
I Do believe absolutely that Heaven and Hell are states of being, Not places.
One of the things he says in this book is about ego, Just like Buddha, You ahve to let go of ego, and ego isn't always easy to see in yourself.
he says the Ego is the attachments that we have to things, WE view everything from the position of Not enough, Dr Wayne Dyer says the same thing.
So that a child cries when something is taken away from him because he feels incomplete without it. WE work and toil to by more crap because we think we are incomplete without it.
The Ego he says, is that little voice in your head that says, Hey I miss that, I want that, I, I, I,
but that isn't the REAL you, the Real you is the voice that voice is talking to, basically. He talks about crazy being a perception because we all have a dialogue going through our heads, 24/7. the difference between us and crazy people, is how accepting others are of those thoughts.
But every single religion has this basic notion in common.
God would care because SIN harms God, in some way.
I just bought the Book "A new earth" Oprah is doing a class on it, and there is a registration thread for the book even. It is almost identical to many of the conversations that we have had on here.
I am only 50n pages in, but he is explaining things very well, maybe you should check it out.
I definitely want to tell Dana about it, IT explains alot of these same religious issues we have been talking about,
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