| 4/13/2008 8:25:00 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | | 
rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71
| distinct from that of the enemy that no doubt should ever again endanger his cause on the field of battle. Soon after the battle he entered into correspondence with Colonel William Porcher Miles, who had served on his staff during the day, with a view to securing his aid in the matter, and proposing a blue field, red bars crossed, and gold stars. They discussed the matter at length. Colonel Miles thought it was contrary to the law of heraldry that the ground should be blue, the bars red, and the stars gold. He proposed that the ground should be red, the bars blue, and the stars white. General Beauregard approved the change, and discussed the matter freely with General Johnston.
Meanwhile it became known that designs for a flag were under discussion, and many were sent in. One came from Mississippi; one from J.B. Walton and E.C. Hanc*ck, which coincided with the design of Colonel Miles. The matter was freely discussed at headquarters, till, finally, when he arrived at Fairfax Court House, General Beauregard caused his draughtsman (a German) to make drawings of all the various designs which had been submitted. With these designs before them, the officers at headquarters agreed on the famous old banner -- the red field, the blue cross, and the white stars. The flag was then submitted to the War Department, and was approved.
The first flags sent to the army were presented to the troops by General Beauregard in person, he then expressing the hope and confidence that they would become the emblem of honor and of victory. The first flags received were made from "ladies' dresses" by the Misses Carey, of Baltimore and Alexandria, at their residences and the residences of friends, as soon as they could get a description of the design adopted. One of the Misses Carey sent the flag she made to General Beauregard. Her sister presented hers to General Van Dorn, who was then at Fairfax Court House. Miss Constance Carey, of Alexandria, sent hers to General Joseph E. Johnston. General Beauregard sent the flag he received at once to New Orleans for safe keeping. After the fall of New Orleans, Mrs. Beauregard sent the flag by a Spanish man-of-war, then lying in the river opposite New Orleans, to Cuba, where it remained till the close of the war, when it was returned to General Beauregard, who presented it for safe keeping to the Washington Artillery, of New Orleans.
This much about battle flag, to accomplish, if possible, two things: first, preserve the little history connected with the origin of the flag; and, second, place the battle flag in a place of security, as it were, separated from all the political significance which attaches to the Confederate flag, and depending for its future place solely upon the deeds of the armies which bore it, amid hardships untold, to many victories.
| | 4/13/2008 8:32:52 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | | 
krupa1
Abilene, TX
age: 40
| Whether they "Get it" or not....doesn't matter sweet Rose.....at least we can still secceed if it comes down to it.
Many won't even give the southern flag consideration because they were not raised with it. Much like many religions....if it isn't what you know....it has no place in the world....just ask the Muslims...I am sure they would agree.
| | 4/14/2008 6:13:21 AM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71
| "They" say WE are racists......A German gentleman was the first Chairman of the Board. The Generals of the Southern Army were from the Northern states.
The Women of the North used their dresses for the material of a flag that was to represent a banner for a cause they may have believed in...And not just one Northern woman but all three were considered Northern at that time in History.
The final episode, an act of humility for preservation, the Flag was sent to Cuba for safe keeping...So, now we have the ethnicity of a German man, Northern women and Generals from West Point engaging in a battle just to protect the state of Virginia and in the end, they send the flag to Cuba, now a country of adversary domination..
It is time for people to put up, by getting educated, or shut up as they are ignorant to the underlying basis for the War of Agression...
Just my humble opinion...
A member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy
Cross of Honor
Rose.
| | 4/14/2008 9:24:02 AM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | | 
twohawks
Bothell, WA
age: 69
| I am Northern born and raised, but my roots are in the South. I am also a member of Sons of Confederate Veterans. My connection there is Calvin Davenport Venable, Colonel, 5th. Tennessee Infantry; His brother, Luther Rice Venable, Colonel, 10th. Arkansas Cavalry and his son, William J. Venable, Sergeant, 10th. Arkansas Cavalry.
I fly the Battle Flag off my front porch on a daily basis. I live in a conservative neighborhoos and most of my neighbors are partiotic. I have never gotten any flack for my flag.
| | 4/14/2008 9:25:24 AM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | | 
lust4love
Atco, NJ
age: 37
| i don't know but down home southern cooking beats northern vittles
| | 4/14/2008 9:26:37 AM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | | 
1pinkstar
Omaha, NE
age: 54
| Hey Rose, I'm a member of the DAR too, most of my relatives were from the North, but a few were southerners. Have you traced your lineage back more than a few generations?
| | 4/14/2008 1:47:26 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71
| Yes. I am in the DAR. and the Colonial Dames of the XVII Century. I have many generations who fought for freedom as our ancestral line goes way back to 1170 AD...in Scotland and Wales.
The Ochiltree line is a many generation of Methodist Episcopal Ministers both in the US and in Scotland. This ancestor fought for the North in the War of Agression.
Col Benjamin Wilson was a premier Indian Fighter who fought along side of the Murray and Stewart of Virginia. Indians Wars and the American Revolution.
The Ruddell family were well known for Ruddell Station KY. One family was taken captive by Tecumseh father and taken to Canada for 12 years.. One of my Ruddell and Tecumseh became blood brothers at the age of 12..Finally after many years held captive, they were released and returned to KY..
So you all see.,,this is why I get so ticked off at the radical behaviour over a piece of cloth. What does it all mean ?? We are all slaves, our ancestors were slaves, and many are now slaves to many worldy vices..
And yes. Little Texas, I am sure the South could secede and rise again since all the old money is gone overseas...We could really do well with no opionated doctrinated persons...
Everyone have a good day.. And thanks for reading and commenting...
Rose.
| | 4/14/2008 1:49:47 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | | 
57rickie
Sioux Falls, SD
age: 57
|  Rose you are a true Southern Lady
| | 4/14/2008 2:12:29 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
libra75
Garfield, AR
age: 32
| I moved into the south 20 years ago......been lovin' it ever since!
| | 4/14/2008 2:17:02 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71
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| | 4/14/2008 3:08:19 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
fordtx
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 47
| The Confederate Flag is the symbol of a political movement which was a counter-revolution to Democracy.
Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, shortly after his inauguration, made a public statement in which he quoted the Declaration of Independence, and it’s well known phrase, "All men are created equal". Then he said, "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea..." Augusta Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861.
This was nothing like the American Revolution idea that each person born on earth, has as his/her birth-right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
The Confederacy was formed as a reaction to the election of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln was elected on the promise to halt the outspreading of slavery into the West. With the election of Lincoln decided on this platform, the Southern Plantation owners saw that their economic system was threatened by majority rule. And they then decided they did not want to abide by the results of the 1860 election.
But, everyone's three basic rights were threatened by the institution of slavery, because slavery made an exception to the Declaration of Independence. And if one exception is made...where does it stop?
The Confederate Flag is not a symbol of Southern Heritage. A Flag should be a symbol that everyone looks upon with the same stirring feelings of shared beliefs and shared commitment. The American Flag which represents the phrase "All Men are created equal" does that. But, clearly, not all Americans can look upon the Confederate Flag with the same shared feelings.
To fly the Confederate flag is to endorse what it stood for--a political counter-revolution to democracy--which sought to build a nation on the cornerstone of slavery.
Soldiers who fought in the Civil War are part of Southern Heritage. They should be honored for having both the courage of conviction and of the battlefield. But, the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with their individual Heritage.
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| | 4/14/2008 5:01:30 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
fordtx
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 47
| A little about the Confederate Constitution & Slavery -
The Confederate Constitution explicitly established slavery as a right in the following key provision:
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed [by Congress]
The Constitution of the Confederate States of America was the supreme law of the Confederate States of America, as adopted on March 11, 1861 and in effect through the conclusion of the American Civil War.
Regards,
MFord, Retired Major, US Army
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| | 4/14/2008 7:30:22 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71
| Thank you Major.
Let me ask you, do you have an ancestor that served in the same capacity of yourself in the South and that is from the Delaware State Line to the Gulf of Mexico, ?
I am sure you have seen an enourmous amount of blood and guts spilled in your tenure but did your wife and children cry for bread ? Starving because all means had been destroyed by an agressor ?
Rose passes the Talking Stick to TwoHawks.....
Peace be with you all.
http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/csaconstitution/
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| | 4/14/2008 7:42:48 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
brodyman
Lynch, KY
age: 31
| Rock on with your bad self, Major Ford...
| | 4/14/2008 7:59:06 PM | Origin of the Southern Battle Flag | |
fordtx
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 47
| Hi Rose!
I had family on both sides in vicksburg- always wondered if they battled.
I'm also a member of the Mayflower Society - family that escaped to a better life as yours.
Just for the record, I would have prefered the preamble in the Confederate Constitution invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God- which we could certainly use more of.
Best regards,
MFord
PS - I wanted to add that I sincerely respect your opinion and feelings as well
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