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4/16/2008 3:30:29 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71

A later development in the legend claimed the settlers were absorbed by groups of Native Americans, and their descendants remained somewhere on the American frontier for hundreds of years. The first to report an encounter with a Welsh-speaking Indian was the Reverend Morgan Jones, who was captured in 1669 by a tribe of Tuscaroras called the Doeg.


Madoc's proponents believe earthen fort mounds at Devil's Backbone along the Ohio River to be the work of Welsh colonists[1]The chief spared his life, however, when he heard Jones speak Welsh, a tongue he understood. Jones lived with the Doeg for several months preaching the Gospel in Welsh, and returned to the British Colonies where he recorded his adventure in 1686.

A number of later travelers claimed to have found the Welsh Indians, and one even claimed the tribe he visited venerated a copy of the Gospel written in Welsh. Stories of Cymric Indians became popular enough that even Lewis and Clark were ordered to look out for them, and folklore has long claimed that Louisville, Kentucky, was once home to a colony of Welsh-speaking Indians. 18th century Missouri River explorer John Evans of Waunfawr, Wales took up his journey in part to find the Welsh-descended "Padoucas" or "Madogwys" tribes.

There is a persistent tradition that the wall of Fort Mountain in Georgia owes its construction to a race of what the Cherokee termed "moon-eyed people", because they could see better at night than by day. These "moon-eyed people" were said to have fair skin, blonde hair and opalescent eyes. Although it has also been postulated that this wall was in fact built by Hernando de Soto to defend against the Creek Indians around 1540,[2] the "moon-eyed people", whose unusual description by Native American oral tradition would match that of a Caucasian, have still been linked to Prince Madoc and his fellow transplanted Welshmen.[3] Benjamin Smith Barton considered in his writings these "moon-eyed people" who "could not see in the day-time" to be an albino race.[4] John Haywood also gives mention to the legend in his The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee [5] although the later work was an effort to prove that the native tribes of Tennessee were, in fact, the descendants of ancient Hebrews.

The legend of the Welsh Indians was apparently not restricted to whites; in 1810, John Sevier, the first governor of Tennessee, wrote to his friend Major Amos Stoddard about a conversation he had had with the old Cherokee chief Oconostota concerning ancient fortifications built along the Alabama River. The Chief said the forts were built by the white people who had once lived in the area as protection against the ancestors of the Cherokee. They were called "Welsh" and their leader was "Modok". How much of the original conversation, which was supposed to have occurred in 1782, was accurately related in Sevier's letter in 1810 is debatable.

In the early tales, the white Indians' specific European language ranged from Irish to Portuguese, and the tribe's name varied from teller to teller (often, the name was unattested elsewhere), but later versions settled on Welsh and the Mandan people, who differed strikingly from their neighbors in culture, language, and appearance. The painter George Catlin suggested the Mandans as descendants of Madoc and his fellow voyagers in North American Indians (1841); he found the round Mandan Bull Boat similar to the Welsh coracle, and thought the advanced architecture of Mandan villages must have been learned from Europeans (advanced North American societies such as the Mississippian and Hopewell cultures were not well known in Catlin's time). Supporters of this theory have drawn links between Madoc and the Mandan mythological figure Lone Man, who, according to one tale, provided his people with homes during and after a great deluge.


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4/16/2008 6:48:19 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89

Interesting!...Chinese, Vikings, Jews, Africans, Welsh, who else?...


There was quite a rainbow here when Columbus arrived!..

4/16/2008 8:02:57 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71

Yes and all this time...we thought Colombus discovered America !!

4/16/2008 8:18:17 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

queenofhearts61
Seymour, IN
age: 62

Does anyone know that their were tribes of blond haired blue eyed Native Americans? My great grandmother was one. I don't remember the name of the tribe but saw the family tree when I was 16. They must have come from some European country.

4/17/2008 2:07:10 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 51

 Queen, Skunk

Bet you never knew that in 1235 AD a tribe of Italian descendant Native Americans with shave/bald heads took root in the region I am from among the 6 nation Indians

They are the Wop-A-Ho's from the Onon-diego tribe




Happy Friday Morning to all of you sisters and brothers


Peace and Love flourish

4/17/2008 6:42:13 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71

Queen....

Can you get a hold of that documentation ? Yes there were such persons. Now it has come to light of medical genetics. The Native American-Celtic Brit such as we are, carry an abnormal gene that has to do with the growth hormones. I do know that the Syphllis germ is one that was handed down..

Now that I am piecing this material together to link to my maternal Howell ancestry, I would really like for us to group together and perhaps share information, possibly speaking with a geneticist.


If any of you readers feel you came from this ancestral line, I would like to correspond with you..

Thanks Queen, you are most helpful.

Rose

4/17/2008 7:55:02 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

gapeach7777
Ball Ground, GA
age: 36

Rose I absoluetly love reading your posts.

I wonder how you go about getting a genetic profile done. That would be very interesting. Probably expensive as hell though.

4/17/2008 9:57:22 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89

genetic profile was $125 the last i heard...there are several sites doing that...pbs has programs about tracing ancestry in africa.

4/17/2008 11:12:44 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

gapeach7777
Ball Ground, GA
age: 36

Thanks skunkbreath. Thats not as expensive as I thought. I thought it would be way up there. I have watched the PBS special they had on genetics.

Thank you

4/17/2008 11:27:44 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89

google "ancestry test"....


seems that tests costs range from $89 to many hundreds...



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4/17/2008 1:14:07 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71

Thank you Ga. Peach...

I would like to see about it but who could we test it against..?? Doesn't there have to be another party involved to see if our gene is like theirs?

4/17/2008 3:39:14 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89

Your genetic code is compared to a data base gathered from around the world. Different data bases will beable to give you different information about comparasions.check out the sites doing this work...

4/17/2008 7:54:54 PMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

rose37
San Marcos, TX
age: 71

I read up on this today and they say only the male line an be tested and not the female..

This is my maternal line on her grandfather. So I guess it would do no good for me to be DNA if it is only a direct male line as we have none. I have one son...

4/18/2008 7:44:48 AMLegend of Prince Modoc of Wales Gospel 

skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89

try this link for info: http://www.familytreedna.com/description.html

google: maternal dna testing