| 4/21/2008 10:09:45 PM | Do you Hate God? | | 
dbsuma
Lakewood, OH
age: 40
| I'm rather confused by the sentiment of other people, who either come to the conclusion that there is no god or that whatever god is might be in conflict with them for some reason.
I don't really believe in a "GOD" god but think that there are probably things out there more advanced than we are, much in the same way that the Aztecs thought Cortez's men were gods, but they really weren't. So there probably is some sort of big all powerful aliens or something hanging around, if not many of them but don't think that makes them gods really.
But it seems that with some people, they either figure out that there is no "GOD" or they think that whatever this imaginary "GOD" is will be opposed to them in some manner.
So usually they tend to turn quite evil and hate god and religion all together.
It just seems odd to me to hate a god so much that you don't even believe exists in the first place.
And usually when you talk about people being anti-religious they are usually talking about Christians. Not that I believe in Christianity by any means but as far as religions go it is probably one of the nicest religions on the planet.
With all the Hindus trying to kill all the Muslims,
all the Muslims trying to kill all the Hindus and Jews,
All the Jews trying to kill everyone who isn't a jew,
I don't think that Christians have killed anyone in the name of religion since the dark ages, so I'm rather unclear why everyone is pissed off at them.
When you really look at it and what the people are doing Christians really don't seem to be negatively impacting anybodies lives other than annoying the shit out of them, with all their goodie goodie god talk.
And the Catholics actually do seem to help society as a whole by providing schools, hospitals and homeless shelters, etc.
So I guess the question would be, while other world religions are not really doing any good for anyone, including themselves, why is everyone all pissed at Christians.
Granted I know it probably has a great deal to do with their policies on sex but still.
If you don't believe that Christianity is real then why would you believe that their policy on sex is any more real?
While I don't believe in Christianity, I do think that it does a pretty good job of keeping the sheepish masses in their place, while otherwise we'd all be like....
...like....
well, like our society has pretty much devolved into lately, with little or no redeeming values or quality what so ever.
Yes, I think that it is good when people rise above the lie of religion but clearly it is not for everybody, most seem to react quite violently twards others because of it.
After all did they run wild in the streets randomly raping and killing people when they found out that Santa Claus wasn't real?
It just seems odd to me.
I mean, now that you realize that your religion is not real, so you do all those things that it always told you not to do?
Not counting the sex parts.
Probably not, but it does seem that some turn into compete sociopaths and not just the Jews, it seems some even turn to Satanism, which I totally don't understand.
If you don't believe in god, then why would you believe in the opposite thing of a god that does not exist?
I think that most Satanists really do believe in god, it is just that their parents caught them jerking off and think that they are going to hell now, so might as well get chummy with their new boss now or something.
Perhaps it is just me, I think my parting with accepted traditional religion is something that I transcended, evolved past the need for, grown out of, but others seem to feel that when rejecting religion that places you in opposition to it.
That everybody should join them in their hate for religion, which I think would be a horrible thing. There are millions of people in this world who are such utter and complete a**holes that an imaginary god is the only person they have left to talk to, as they have pretty much burned all their bridges long ago and alienated everyone else.
I don't know, just a thought, it just seems odd to me.
[Edited 4/21/2008 10:11:30 PM]
| | 4/24/2008 5:49:14 PM | Do you Hate God? | | slightlycrazy
Iola, TX
age: 66
| I don't hate god, because I don't believe there is one, how can you hate something that you don't believe exists?
What I do hate, is people who try to shove their religion down my throat, hypocrital religious people, those who "talk the talk," but "don't walk the walk!" 
| | 4/28/2008 7:58:49 PM | Do you Hate God? | | forever2
Victoria
Australia
age: 47
| I dont beleive in anthing Ive never seen
| | 5/9/2008 11:19:00 PM | Do you Hate God? | | theknife
Calgary, AB
age: 47
| How can I hate something that I do not even believe in?
| | 5/27/2008 9:40:09 AM | Do you Hate God? | | pedro_2079
Peterborough, ON
age: 21
| if thats true than ur not really atheist b/c they don't just believe god doesn't exist, they attack the very idea of god don't they JMO
| | 5/27/2008 8:00:31 PM | Do you Hate God? | | slightlycrazy
Iola, TX
age: 66
| you're wrong pedro, most atheists, (there's always the fanatic) could care less what anyone else believes or doesn't believe in, and we actually spend zero time thinking about any god or religion.
| | 5/28/2008 8:47:43 AM | Do you Hate God? | | 
grizz67
Bernville, PA
age: 41
| A quote from your thread: "And usually when you talk about people being anti-religious they are usually talking about Christians. Not that I believe in Christianity by any means but as far as religions go it is probably one of the nicest religions on the planet.
With all the Hindus trying to kill all the Muslims,
all the Muslims trying to kill all the Hindus and Jews,
All the Jews trying to kill everyone who isn't a jew,
I don't think that Christians have killed anyone in the name of religion since the dark ages, so I'm rather unclear why everyone is pissed off at them."
Are you insane!? Christians haven't killed anyone in the name of their religion since the dark ages!? Are you really that naive!? What about all of the abortion clinic bombings? How about all of the abortion clinic doctors murdered? What about the Internet sites dedicated to putting out lists with the names and addresses of everyone working for or associated with abortion clinics with a running check list of the ones that have been killed/murdered off? What about the so called Christians in the KKK targeting whole races of people because of their interpreting the bible as telling them who is an inferior race to them? What about the militant black christian groups that preach the bible as telling them whites are the devil? (not just the muslem ones)
Almost every violent militant group currently active in America has a basis in Christianity. Can you not see your own bigotry oozing out of your afore mentioned quote? Read it again, very slowly.
I don't hate god because I cannot hate someone who does not exist. If you are so weak as to need to hold onto the belief that there is a magic man in the sky that is your choice, but I truly feel as though you have, like so many other religious people, miss-represented yourself so as to get onto a group site to preach your beliefs to those who chose not to hear it.
Your what is wrong with religion, you have lied to get onto this group to preach to us. Non religious is just that, you cannot just paint your religion another color. Your why I detest religion, you assume you have the right to preach your rederic to anyone you choose to and if you have to lie to get on a site to do it, well....that's OK in your book. You assume you are so enlightened that you feel empowered to preach to the atheists/nonreligious.
To suggest Christianity is living out it's life as a gentle, unassuming lamb is diluted. I have many "Christian" friends who know how to respect another's boundaries, maybe you on the other hand should start going around ringing door bells or set up an empty orange crate to stand on in the middle of time square.
| | 5/29/2008 8:40:33 AM | Do you Hate God? | | pedro_2079
Peterborough, ON
age: 21
| you're wrong pedro, most atheists, (there's always the fanatic) could care less what anyone else believes or doesn't believe in, and we actually spend zero time thinking about any god or religion.
i know its semantics but a true atheist does attack religious beliefs , having no religious beliefs makes u agnostic am i wrong?
| | 5/29/2008 12:06:11 PM | Do you Hate God? | |
grizz67
Bernville, PA
age: 41
| An agnostic questions the existence of a god, an atheist knows/believes there is none. One is on the fence the other has chosen a side. An atheist doesn't argue religion, we argue with those who would seek to force it upon us.
At least that's how I see it.
| | 5/31/2008 5:59:16 AM | Do you Hate God? | | pedro_2079
Peterborough, ON
age: 21
| well i was wrong
agnostics believe that its impossible to know whether an ultimate cause (god) exists and they leave it at that
atheists are not inclined to any religious beliefs
infidels attack religion
BTW this is from a dictionary so not my opinion ok?
id say im agnostic
| | 5/31/2008 9:13:48 AM | Do you Hate God? | |
grizz67
Bernville, PA
age: 41
| well i was wrong
agnostics believe that its impossible to know whether an ultimate cause (god) exists and they leave it at that
atheists are not inclined to any religious beliefs
infidels attack religion
BTW this is from a dictionary so not my opinion ok?
id say im agnostic
Isn't your dictionary definition basically the same as what I said? Is my stating an agnostic questions the existence of god the same as your "impossible to know whether an ultimate god exists"? And my saying an agnostic knows there is no god the same as your "atheists are not inclined to any religious beliefs"? Didn't we said the same thing, I just did not take a quote from a dictionary?
Your statement that "infidels attack religion" on the other hand sure sounds like an opinion to me. My problem is not with religion, but with those who claim to live by it. Religion attempts to teach people to be decent and good members of society, but individuals always twist it to fit their agenda. I do not go around trying to convert everyone to atheism, nor does it get interjected into every conversation and action I do throughout my day out of respect for others beliefs. On the other hand, the religious are always saying to everyone, god bless you - my prayers are with you - you've got an angel looking over you - give thanks to god for that - god works in mysterious ways - god love ya - and so on and so on without any concern for my beliefs. I don't go to peoples homes uninvited to tell them god doesn't exist, yet the religious, not just jehovah's, knock on my door invading my privacy to hand me some religious pamphlet.
I think you need to rethink your status as a nonreligious person because an agnostic doesn't take a stand such as "infidels attack religion", as if religion is above being attacked. To think religion is beyond reproach and off limits for discussion or scrutiny is not agnostic or open minded. Here again, I am being forced to defend "my" opinions against someone who has misrepresented themself.  
[Edited 5/31/2008 9:45:14 AM]
| | 6/1/2008 6:04:38 AM | Do you Hate God? | |
grizz67
Bernville, PA
age: 41
| You know what.............just be yourself, what the heck do I know?
That's not my sandbox.
| | 6/1/2008 4:36:30 PM | Do you Hate God? | | slightlycrazy
Iola, TX
age: 66
| An atheist doesn't argue religion, we argue with those who would seek to force it upon us.
At least that's how I see it.
Exactly! You can believe in the tooth fairy if you want, just don't try to make me believe it!
| | 6/2/2008 5:34:08 PM | Do you Hate God? | | pedro_2079
Peterborough, ON
age: 21
| You know what.............just be yourself, what the heck do I know? That's not my sandbox.
i wasn't disagreeing at all & u never needed to defend ur position all that i posted including about infidels came from websters.
u needn't be so defensive im simply trying to learn like everyone else
| | 6/3/2008 5:55:29 PM | Do you Hate God? | | 
someaverageguy
Ravenna, OH
age: 38
| It's strange and even amazing to me how much vitriol comes from disagreements in personal philosophy. There can be no decision more personal in someone's life that that of his or her view of fundamental reality.
I am an atheist. I want to very carefully define that. It means that I do not believe in any form of god or deity or higher power, with or without consciousness or the ability to punish, reward, or affect the lives of human beings. It is important to add that stating that I do not believe that god exists is not the same as saying that I believe god does not exist. Given that there is not, and in my opinion, cannot be, any proof, be it empirical or logical, of the existence or non-existence of god, I must be true to the basic tenet of rationalism and state that I do not believe the hypothesis when it lacks evidence instead of taking the extremist view of believing its antithesis.
All of that being said, the one thing that I would really like to know is what in that suggests in any way that I would hate god, religion, religious people, or anything else?
There is an enormous difference between being non-religious and being anti-religious. Choosing not to include a specific philosophy or dogma in my life doesn't necessitate my taking a stance against it. I am certainly against the atrocities committed in the name of religion, but I am just as dead-set against atrocities committed for purely secular or psychological reasons. It is the deed that I despise, not the organization to which the doer of the deed might belong.
Nor, interestingly, do most atheists tend to speak of "all" people of any given type as being involved in any specific behavior.
I think it's time to stop the haranguing and realize that hate is a personal emotion, not a philosophical one, to be applied with the broad brush that comes of ignorance of the motivations, thoughts and deeds of others.
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