| 5/10/2008 6:31:02 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | 
burnkitty
Fayetteville, AR
age: 33
| It is upon the assumptions of the religious that "creation museums" are built. They do not care what the rules of science are, but tend to play scientist without bothering to learn them. Trying to play basketball on the football field again...
| | 5/10/2008 9:13:18 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | leadingman1
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 18
| When you place limitations on yourself, why would we expect a different result? Consider eliminating restrictions & boundaries [scientific rules] on your quest for knowledge & meaning.
PS – Einstein and many scientists have admitted the more they seem to learn (scientifically), the less they understood. Society of organisms and emotional impact on survival is a good lesson learned by Darwin.
The conflict seems to have more to do with the beginning which may or may not have any significance. I don’t think the idea that Jesus provided the best example to live your life and for society as well is difficult to follow.
Having said this, I would not try to change anyone with good moral and peaceful beliefs.
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| | 5/10/2008 9:25:10 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | 
oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 65
| Nice quotes to launch this thread, Skunk.
Thanks,
Oceans
| | 5/10/2008 11:03:13 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | 
rich101
Lillington, NC
age: 52
| www.biblicalarchaeology.org is one
| | 5/10/2008 1:18:25 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "In the Biblical tradition, God creates man, but man cannot say that he is divine in the
same sense that the Creator is, where as in Hinduism, all things are incarnations of that
power. We are the sparks from a single fire. And we are all fire. Hinduism believes in the
omnipresence of the Supreme God in every individual. There is no "fall". Man is not cut off
from the divine. He requires only to bring the spontaneous activity of his mind stuff to a
state of stillness and he will experience that divine principle with him." Joseph Campbell.
Sometimes transcendence happens during times of stress. If the person is perched upon a
certain rock, the experience is attributed to the god of that rock. From then on the person
gives credit to the rock and swears to others of it's magnificent powers. Sometimes, from
the power of suggestion, the credit is given to other inanimate objects, like a building, or
a reputed holy book or it's dubious author.
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| | 5/10/2008 4:00:09 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| I think you missed the lesson of Jesus,
He didn't come here to suffer and die. He came here to tell people that they were wasting their time worshipping God in the way they were.
They were being duped by the church and by the government.
Jesus is similar to Malcolm x, because he came here, and said , hey wait a minute, you are saying this, but it isn't true, This isn't what you are supposed to be doing.
by then it had become a productive buisness, and they took action to stop him.
He was openly questioning the Intention of the church, and he did it at a time when he would have the largest audience, and the laws were the strictest. He basically walked into the Superbowl and said, HEY, this game is fixed.
so they killed him. He knew the people around him would NOT have the cahunas to do the same as he is, and Die for their protest. Joan of Arc is another example of this.
Martin Luther, except they just imprisoned him for the rest of his life. History is full of these examples. The message is always do what is right even at your seeming expense, even if it would be more profitable for you to do something else.
check your motives, seek first the Kingdom of God, which is the kingdom of truly righteous spirit he says.
| | 5/11/2008 7:31:33 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "He came here to tell people that they were wasting their time worshipping God in the way they were.--They were being duped by the church and by the government."
how do you know that?
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"All intelligent thoughts have already been thought; what is necessary is only to try to think them again."--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
I wonder if that applies to religious minds? Are those same delusions repeated even if ther is no contact with previous held nonsense?
Or the truely spiritual?...Is that area of consciousness consistent from epoch to epoch?
Or is your epoch of reference better than my epoch?...
| | 5/11/2008 8:30:44 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | |
burnkitty
Fayetteville, AR
age: 33
| Restrictions and boundaries, Leading? Me thinks you didn't bother reading the four rules discussed earlier in this thread. The four rules eliminate absolutions, thus anything can be considered possible, even the existence of a god. Nothing could be more open-minded. Limitations are placed by those who hold absolutes, as if there could never be another alternative. When someone says that a god does exist for a fact, they limit themselves to the possibility that there may not be one. This works vice-versa. Anyone stating that a creator does not exist for a fact are also not arguing science. An atheist has the exact same boundaries as a fundamentalist. Both claim to "know" their version is a fact, and everyone else is absolutely wrong. Science does raise more questions. That's what it's supposed to do. When we stop asking more questions, we grow set in our ways and thus stagnet. More boundaries are created from this than anything else. Still, try reading the four rules on tab 2 of this thread and let me know your thoughts. For some reason I am interested in your take on them.
| | 5/11/2008 11:15:48 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| How do I know that?
I know that because the message Jesus gives, is the same message Buddha gives, and the same message Muhammed gives, when you strip away the part of their teachings, that are related to the specific right now events of their time,
their messages are exactly the same, I believe that the best indicator of future behavior is past experiences, Jesus and Buddha, and Muhammed all came and said the same thing, they realigned us with the spirit [art of the faith they were involved in.
Hinduism changed to Buddhism, and Islam came as did Christianity, from Judaism.
they all say keep the practices of the church, but reject the motives to simplify.
Hell the Tao even says the people are starving because the governments wont feed them because of the taxes, what could be more true than that?
God, the Great Integrity, whatever you want to call the being or proccess that started this creation that is Human life, exists in the RIGHT NOW moment. Jesus says he is the god of the living, the Tao says he is the pregnant moment. It is the spirit with which you align yourself that is right.
The Hindu faith, their worship centers around bringing a certain aspect of spirit into their lives, as does Paganism. It is all the same thing, except they say specifically I want the warior spirit of god to be my guide, and Jesus says make the essence of God, goodness be your guiding Intention, same thing, different focuses. Buddha says measure each moment with integrity, live in the now.
| | 5/11/2008 11:54:28 AM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | leadingman1
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 18
| The conflict (evolution and biblical creation) may always exist in our lifetime. For some, the absence of personal observation, mathematical conclusion, etc, etc. limits the ability to choose what you believe. For me choice is not an option, but seems the aforesaid rules would restrict this individual freedom
I'm a Christian, and believe unequivocally that God created the universe, but do not take the Bible strictly literal (event of Genesis) on how the physical universe was created. My belief is not at odds with science - this does not mean that I believe we’ve descended from apes, however, evolution is real.
So, while there's really no room to negotiate following the abovementioned rules, there's at least room to talk.
PS – skunkbreath [what a name] I liked the Einstein quote “ I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world...”.
[Edited 5/11/2008 11:55:54 AM]
| | 5/11/2008 12:21:37 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| well said.
and I feel the same way, I understand the aspect of intelligent design that says the Universe is so complex and perfectly constructed, there has to beIntelligence behind it.
I personnally DO see DNA as proof that intelligence is behind creation.
I am just not prepared to give GOD a nationality, and a name, and a sex, and preferences, and a personality, and emotions. It makes no sense.
I took Genesis to say that because we weren't happy with just surviving, we started a proccess of moving away from GOD and then eventually back to God.
I believe in the Mandala Concept of Jung because it makes sense, I KNOW it to be true. we are born, and live and then die, we return to where we came from. and then turn into something else.
I prefer the way Whitman says it.
| | 5/11/2008 2:27:57 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| "-He came here to tell people-"
"-I know that because the message Jesus gives-"
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, did he come to do that or did he just end up doing that.?...do you accept everything this purported jesus says?
Or just the things that agree with other teachers?
| | 5/11/2008 2:46:00 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Well, HE doesn't say alot. but I believe what HE says absolutely, I do, and yes because it agrees with what the others say. I believe his message is slightly different than Buddhas because Buddha says,
Live this way, because it is the best way to avoid problems, and it is a path to living spiritually, because it is built on living your life, based on what is spiritually right. and I know they don't really think of a soul as the christians do, but it is semantics, isn't it.
The difference in Jesus' message is, he was saying, don't just do the right thing because it is the way to an easier life,
do it because you want to do it, because it is right for it's own sake, value, what is right, not an easy life.
I base whether I believe what I am reading is divine or from man, based on alot of criteria, first being historical nature of the text,
for instance mark is the best representation we have of jesus' teachings, because it is the oldest. we know aproximate dates of all of the books, and we can take what the extra stuff is, and ascertain why it is added.
for instance, the geneology, the purpose for it's addition is because the early Christians were trying to convince people he was the descendant of David. wa sit important to his message? NO, it was important to the catholic message though.
Matthew may have been answering questions that were pertinent, but certainly all of the others, especially John, the questions are being answered by members of the church of early Chrristianity, and NOT by anyone that Knew Jesus, It has the weight it has.
since it is mostly repetition of Mark, you can judge what may be true.
I believe it is true because I believe his message. but I don't think most Christians understand or care about his message.
they really just want to feel safe and secure, that they will go to heaven. jesus himself confirms this is true.
| | 5/11/2008 3:07:53 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 89
| Buddha found his own way to enlightenment. Do you contend that Yahshua was sent to earth to confirm what Buddha taught?
| | 5/11/2008 3:11:04 PM | Insight into the "religious" mind | | leadingman1
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 18
| I have mixed emotions about the necessity of heaven and hell, although it was certainly useful as a youngster. My focus later was directed towards what I believed right vs. outcome after death. I do not attend church so perhaps I’m speaking out of turn on this
PS - Thanks for interesting chat
MFord
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