| 5/1/2008 11:43:05 PM | Dates and events | | 
deserted
Arlington, TX
age: 42
| Could the dates of Oklahoma City bombing and waco being on 4-19 hold any meanings?
The Oklahoma City bombing was a domestic terrorist attack on April 19, 1995 aimed at the U.S. government in which the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
On February 28, 1993, the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) attempted to execute a search warrant at the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel, a property located nine miles (14 km) east-northeast of Waco, Texas. An exchange of gunfire resulted in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. A subsequent 51-day siege by the Federal Bureau of Investigation ended on April 19 when fire destroyed the compound.
| | 5/1/2008 11:49:14 PM | Dates and events | | 
kgearly1021
Valdosta, GA
age: 48
| I am not sure of 4/19 but I know 420 has some significance! Sorry couldn't resist! Brunswick Stew was on the menu today!
| | 5/1/2008 11:56:23 PM | Dates and events | |
deserted
Arlington, TX
age: 42
| lol, I much prefer your dates of 4/20, much more enjoyable day for sure. 
| | 5/2/2008 12:36:37 AM | Dates and events | | 
justme86
Waco, TX
age: 21
| Some people believe that it was purposely on that date, the 2 year anniversary, to be a direct attack on government workers and their families for the government involvement on what happened at the David Koresh Incident.
| | 5/2/2008 5:59:57 AM | Dates and events | | 
1pinkstar
Omaha, NE
age: 54
| Some government workers have the day off if their state recognizes Arbor Day. (Mine does.)
| | 5/2/2008 8:40:20 AM | Dates and events | | 
twojeeps2
Raymore, MO
age: 40
| Yeah deserted and the lady above you, 4/20 is better--must agree. Puff, puff, pass. LOL
Anyway, I heard somewhere that a lot of the FBI agents were off work the day that the Oklahoma City bombing occurred. I'm sure it was set by terrorists to take place that day and it is my guess that officials got some sort of warning, just like 9/11.
We always get some warning. Why do you think terrorists picked 9/11.......hello? Call for help.
Don't think for a minute that it is not going to happen again. That is where we need to have jewelz on here because he always has a conspiracy theory, but usually always right.
Every third world country out there is ready to blow us off the map because they are jealous that we have everything that they don't. We would crap if we had to go one or two days without food or water. Think about it.
It is not our fault though. We were raised that way.
Hey deserted, you and other people like you that like to invent, re-invent and come up with solutions to problems are the ones that are going to make the world a better place when it happens again.
Good post buddy!
| | 5/2/2008 8:44:00 AM | Dates and events | | 
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| 4-19?
got a minute?
| | 5/2/2008 8:57:08 AM | Dates and events | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| Justme,
I think you are right, I think that the date had something to do with the Branch Davidian, and Ruby Ridge.
The fact that they tried him so quickly, and didn't get into alot of why, then killed him quickly, is a Good Indication that they were trying to divert our attention from shameful behavior.
Obviously bombing and Killing Innocent people is Wrong, He shouldn't have done it.
But that doesn't mean his reasons were wrong, in fact I think it shows a direct correlation between a ratchetting up of negative energy and events.
ON the other hand, It is the Governments responsibility, to regulate weapons in this country, It is Part of Defense, ALL enemies both foreign AND Domestic, the oath says.
Both of these cases, you have a group of people excessively armed, and as soon as the Government confronts them about the weapons, and or discovers their existence, They MUST eliminate any threat to the community, or country.
But, as soon as they confront them, and come to them , especially with any sort of court order, like a search warrant, a Line is drawn in the sand.
These people that have ammassed weapons based on some belief, clearly fear based, will either react, or they will surrender, they greater the fear and attachment the greater the reaction. which as we all know, Is exactly what happens.
we blame the Government, but we really have to ask what was their role, Once they came into contact with the groups, and the line was drawn, They HAD to follow through. It is what they do, what they are for, Could they have said, OH you have a Large amount of weapons here, , O.K., see you later?
NO, and in both cases there were children involved.
anyone that has ever taken something away froma toddler knows what I am saying is true, Ultimately, it comes down to Who has the greatest will, and the Most authority, How far will they go to keep what they have, and how Much will they sacrifice, How great is their fear, Ultimately, the one with the most power wins.
| | 5/3/2008 12:19:25 AM | Dates and events | | 
dej88
Harrisburg, PA
age: 59
| Does anyone think these two incidents and others were connected, plotted, planned, and executed by the same people?
| | 5/3/2008 5:13:50 PM | Dates and events | | 
paken
Bonneau, SC
age: 64
| Timothy McVey always contended that the Oklahoma bombing was in retialiantion for the Branch Davidian shoot out.It would seem logical that he picked that date.I have never heard anyone state or offer any proof that the Davidians stockpiled weapons for anything except self defense. I don't believe they were ever a threat to anyone except themselves.The raid on the Compound was a power play by the Clinton Adminestration to prove that they were tough on crime.Ruby Ridge appeared to be a set up.Randy Weaver alledgedly sold a sawed off shotgun to an undercover agent which gave them grounds for a search warrant.The real reason was that Weaver and his family were survivalist and had been alledgedly linded to some supremist group.During the Congressional hearings Weaver was awarded three Million dollars for the wrongful death of his wife.If there was a conspiricy in these two incidents it would appear to lead back to the Clinton White House.
| | 5/3/2008 5:18:17 PM | Dates and events | | 
onelife2live
Janesville, WI
age: 43
| Good ole Ruby Ridge. Good read...
| | 5/3/2008 5:36:42 PM | Dates and events | |
deserted
Arlington, TX
age: 42
| Some great answers, but I just feel there is more to the Date of 4-19, but I just can't seem to find my answer. I will continue to search...Could this day have some religious or cult meaning???
| | 5/3/2008 6:22:51 PM | Dates and events | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| 4-19 is Hitlers Birthday, is that what you are looking for? I think it just makes it more creepy though. It is my exboyfriends birthday, That is enough evil for one day.
The Branch Dividian was armed exxcessively, and they were guilty of child abuse, and THEY are the reason all of those babies cooked in the burried bus????? hello???
also They are the one that started shooting, I was glued to the television. I watched it unfold. David Koresh was a pedophile just like Warren jeffs.
Ruby Ridge is a different story, the ATF were at fault in that case.
I will point out to you however, both of these cases, which ended horribly, were 2 sided weapons fight, with kids in the middle.
The Police in New York gunned unarmed men down in the street, with automatic weapons, and I don't see buildings being blown up about that injustice.
The Police in this case, were patrolling the streets of New York with automatic weapons, and they were in clubs with these automatic weapons, mean mugging these unarmed men.
Theya sk for a bench trial and walk.
I should think you would be more upset about that case, than either the Branch Dividian case, or Ruby Ridge, because while these 2 cases were people thatw ere looking and expecting trouble,
The men that are dead in New York were not breaking the Law and were at a Bachelor party, It could just as easy have been you or one of your loved ones walking down the street, that got shot by one of those bullets, even if it was a stray, they fired 50 times, at 3 unarmed men.
That is every bit a violation of their civil rights, as taking their guns,
and it is the menatality of these people that cannot or will not see that, that creates situations LIke Ruby Ridge and Branch Dividian.
| | 5/3/2008 6:27:28 PM | Dates and events | |
curiousone2
Springfield, IL
age: 42
| astrologically, 4 - 19 is on the cusp. It is between the two signs of ARies and Taurus, and that is Fire and Earth.
The two can make a dangerous combination, or they can balance each other out.
think of it this way, on the micro scale a mix of fire and earth, means earth puts out or controls fire,
but fire earth to the macro or extreme means a volcano, because the fire dominates the earth and that is lava, completely destructive. I bet if you look at Hitlers astrological chart there are crazy things in birth chart.
The Moon controls the Tides of the Oceans, How stupid is it to think it has an affect on the oceans tides, but not on us?, we are made of water too,
| | 5/3/2008 6:53:09 PM | Dates and events | | 
osoroho
Mesquite, TX
age: 57
| Curious you need to do a little researchon the dividans & Mr. Weaver before you make the statements that you have made... David was a little wierd but the child molestation charges were not the reason the feds were there... Child molestation is now & always has been a state charge nothing to do with the atf. The atf started that fight they shot him at the door can you remember that? He had no illegal weapons there it cant be proved to this day.. I visited that site 10 days after it was over the goveerment took heavy eqoipment & scraped the are clear for several hunderd yards why do that if you have nothing to hide? This man was not violent if you go to most peoples door & shoot them in the mid section with a 9mm pistol i dont think that they would invite you in for drinks......The federal agent went to randy several times to get him to saw the barrel off on a shot gun he marked it where he wanted it to be cot if randy cut it there it would have been too short the agent had it cut there any way even randy told him it would be too short the agent wanted done anyway so he cut it there... Can you say a set up that is one of the reasons that the goverment had to pay him...Willy
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