| 5/15/2008 6:38:18 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | 
jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 54
| I'll have to look around and see if I can find which video and which particular frames it was where I saw the remote controlled windowless unmarked jetliner with a 'pod' attached to the underbelly of it, as it was crashing into one of the towers. It was several years ago when I saw it.
| | 5/15/2008 6:38:23 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | justme86
Waco, TX
age: 22
| Maybe you could try to fit a 757 with a 124ft. wingspan into a 16ft. hole? Can you Jewelz????  Into the most secured building in the country....and NO ONE would have a picture of a 757 at all....just a fire ball.....even with all the cameras around that building.
Are you really going to make me explain everything? Have you looked at any of the links I posted?
| | 5/15/2008 6:41:38 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | leadingman1
Lake Dallas, TX
age: 18
| Alcohol required justme 
| | 5/15/2008 6:48:50 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | 
southbuster
Haughton, LA
age: 31
| This remote control 757 is old news.........hell I got one I keep out back.......we drink beer on weekends and take turns flyin it around.........I even one upped Uncle Sam though mine has windows Jewelz!! 
| | 5/15/2008 7:05:34 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | 
scorpiomoon
Brattleboro, VT
age: 58
| No, I don't expect you too...and I have checked out alot of the sites you posted...really
http://video.abovetopsecret.com/bcvideo/56
This video is interesting if you haven't seen it.
[Edited 5/15/2008 8:35:09 PM]
| | 5/15/2008 9:05:23 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | 
chih
Saint Ann, MO
age: 27
| Disregarding everything else....
I have only one pertinent question, and it's worded precisely:
If a steel frame building is hit at an angle, and was weakened on one or two sides more than the rest, then is it possible for it to fall neatly into it's footprint? Each compacted floor would have given resistance, and the top ~20 floors of the building would have bent to the side. This is not what happened, though.
Okay... one more...
What are the statistical odds of three buildings falling into their footprint perfectly on the same day, without the use of controlled demolitions?
If you look at the design of WTT it had a central core steel frame. In order to fall the core had to fail. So the interior had to fail before the exterior.
Yes, and from the way the towers were hit, the load on the central columns would still not bring it down directly into the basement. It would lean, one group of columns would give out before all others.
| | 5/15/2008 9:46:23 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | justme86
Waco, TX
age: 22
|
Yes, and from the way the towers were hit, the load on the central columns would still not bring it down directly into the basement. It would lean, one group of columns would give out before all others.
Actually you can see the floors above the impact in the south tower tilt over when it collapsed. It was in no way perfect. Truth be told, when the supports give out objects fall down, not just down but straight down. There was no horizontal forces to spread out the collapse even though WTC7 was hit. It was not a perfect collapse onto itself.
[Edited 5/15/2008 9:48:59 PM]
| | 5/15/2008 10:16:31 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | |
jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 54
| justme: Actually you can see the south tower tilt over when it collapsed. It was in no way perfect.
That whole top section of the south tower that was tilting over was a massive structure in and of itself, it was huge, that top section was bigger than any building in an average size city.
That whole south tower top section that was falling over, desintigrated to dust before it ever reached the ground. Do you suppose that could happen because of all that jet fuel that burned off on the outside of the building after it had impacted the tower? 
| | 5/15/2008 10:24:33 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | justme86
Waco, TX
age: 22
| That whole south tower top section that was falling over, desintigrated to dust before it ever reached the ground. Do you suppose that could happen because of all that jet fuel that burned off on the outside of the building after it had impacted the tower?
You are simply amazing Jewelz. I actually didn't notice, as I could not see through the surrounding debris, but thanks for clarifying that with your Superman x-ray vision. 
| | 5/15/2008 10:44:44 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | 
flyingdutchman
San Diego, CA
age: 43
| Other than myself, I want to know if ANYONE on DH possesses a structural engineering degree and structural concrete license and have also designed / built high rise construction?
All the information you are being spoon fed charades the real truth; it is from engineers that are wet behind the ears and or paid by your hero government. Remember one thing ‘justme’ your government has all the financial backing (more than any of us) to publish information that will convince anybody with a closed mind ~ and frankly, their doing a damn good job of it.
| | 5/15/2008 10:47:10 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | justme86
Waco, TX
age: 22
| Well dutch if that were true, I for one would expect a better job.
With infinite resources don't you think they could have done a better job cleaning up, instead of leaving a trail of breadcrumbs?
BTW: Stalin did a magnificent job with an airbrush.
[Edited 5/15/2008 10:48:28 PM]
| | 5/15/2008 11:12:28 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | |
jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 54
| 
| | 5/15/2008 11:20:21 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | |
flyingdutchman
San Diego, CA
age: 43
| Well dutch if that were true, I for one would expect a better job.
With infinite resources don't you think they could have done a better job cleaning up, instead of leaving a trail of breadcrumbs?
BTW: Stalin did a magnificent job with an airbrush.
I have entertained this issue for almost three months (many threads) I myself am tired of beating repetition to boredom. Bottom line, (my professional opinion) it would appear as fantastic for 10,000 gallons of jet fuel to bring down a 110 story building in less than 10 seconds +- moreover the only three buildings (WTC 1,2,7) in world history that have ever failed into a convenient pile of rubble. I have a clear understanding of how foundation systems work with moment columns and perpendicular truss frames and the load bearing transfers in the event the hollow is compromised, for example, you can erect all exterior verticals and horizontals of such structures, then simply balloon frame the interior verticals prior to slab loading. We know that the top floor has a load value of 146 lb psf live and 126 lb psf dead load, we understand the tensile strength of the bottom moment columns carry the burden of the members above, and as they elevate the tensile loads are less significant. Typically~ the building should have fallen over from the 85th floor on up.
It would be interesting to recreate this day (911) by building a scale model then perhaps utilize a scaled version of a plane/ jet fuel to realize the reaction.
Sounds to me the government if not other should conduct such an experiment ennemi to computer generated solutions.
[Edited 5/15/2008 11:24:56 PM]
| | 5/15/2008 11:29:15 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | 
lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 51
| Our Government has always told us lies,justme..every countries govs.tell them lies it is how they keep the states in union..And religion also tells lies,also to teach fear..Fear makes people vunerable,its always happened since the begining of humankind..you should know this,you are young,but a very bright young man,and certainly I have seen many of your post here and in other forum..You seem to know God yet,there is trouble,and distrust in you..And it is good to discerne,it is good to question..But if you know the word,you must know what is going on...
The Date 9-11 was a planned event,the date was chosen other times in history also..this is a wagging of war,this was a way to shock people,to set humans emotions into a tizzy,this was a way for all types and races of people to show and expierence all types of complete hatred,and compasion,fear,and distrust..but yet not even(being so caught up in the moment)realizing who actually caused all this chaos..And Anyone who was involved in this are led by Satan,he is the one wagging war and all his helpers,just followed his lead..and Satans and charm,make it easy to mask..this young man was planned by many,sick,greedful,hating,absoulutly void of a Spirit of God,or any good soul or I believe any conscience.Govs.,Men and Satan caused this event,as it was the begining of another phase in humankind and the Wars of the Worlds that will bring Earth to its END AS WE KNOW IT...
AND AS MUCH AS JEWELZ IS VERY GRAPHIC,AND HE AND I DONT AGREE ON SOME THINGS,GOD FOR ONE,BUT SOMEDAY HE MAY TURN FROM THE DARK SIDE.OTHERS HAVE..SORRY JEWELZ. And much of what he says is true and it is what is happening behind the scenes..
But you young man have Knowledge at an early age,But to bring people to God,which is important,which you will do,and im sure already have,but watch your tongue,dont let people anger you,remember love,is sweet,love is patient,love can conquer..but it is a work in progress and WE STILL HAVE TIME.... 
| | 5/15/2008 11:50:55 PM | Real 9/11 by Real Engineers and Real Facts | | justme86
Waco, TX
age: 22
|
Ok Jewelz, so that there are no mix-ups. Is this your evidence of windowless planes hitting the WTC?
|
|