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4/18/2014 1:59:10 PMObama is in good company 
giss1
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In May, 1937, Neville Chamberlain became prime minister of Great Britain. His program for dealing with Hitler was one of appeasement, that is, of attempting to meet German grievances in hopes of avoiding war. Hitler took advantage of this policy by annexing Austria on March 13, 1938. He then demanded the return to Germany of the Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia inhabited largely by Germans. Czechoslovakia, assured by various treaties of the backing of France and the Soviet Union, prepared for war.To avoid a major European war that would eventually involve Britain, Chamberlain flew to Hitler's mountain home at Berchtesgaden with the hope of resolving the crisis. Hitler merely increased his demands. On September 29, 1938, Mussolini, Chamberlain, and Premier Edouard Daladier of France met with Hitler in Munich. Without consulting the Czechs or the Soviets, who were allied with the Czechs, they agreed to the German annexation of the Sudetenland and other border areas of Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain, convinced that this would satisfy Hitler, proclaimed the agreement to be a guarantee of "peace in our time."



Many of histories greatest cowards did not stand up to frontal assaults. Their cowardice paved the way for millions of deaths. Our first monkey should be proud.



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4/18/2014 2:08:43 PMObama is in good company 
condor_0000
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Firstly, it is Obama and the American empire that is the aggressor in the world today.

Secondly, Chamberlain didn't appease Hitler, rather he conspired with Hitler. The story of appeasement was only added after the fact for the obvious reasons.

Chamberlain thought he had an agreement with Hitler that Germany would move east and take down the "communist menace." It was only when Chamberlain realized that Hitler had other plans and that those plans were a threat to the British empire that the decision was made to stop Hitler.

4/18/2014 2:11:06 PMObama is in good company 
condor_0000
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I'm surprised you haven't blocked me again, Giss. You can't make any ground on your idiotic propaganda threads when a real socialist is allowed into the conversation.

4/18/2014 2:29:56 PMObama is in good company 
giss1
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Quote from condor_0000:
Firstly, it is Obama and the American empire that is the aggressor in the world today.

Secondly, Chamberlain didn't appease Hitler, rather he conspired with Hitler. The story of appeasement was only added after the fact for the obvious reasons.

Chamberlain thought he had an agreement with Hitler that Germany would move east and take down the "communist menace." It was only when Chamberlain realized that Hitler had other plans and that those plans were a threat to the British empire that the decision was made to stop Hitler.


Condum, you don't know shit. I talk to friends in Ukraine daily and you suit in your moms basement reading socialist world news, a government type that has failed all over the world, yet some are so lazy they are too stupid to realize it.

4/18/2014 2:31:46 PMObama is in good company 
giss1
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Quote from condor_0000:
I'm surprised you haven't blocked me again, Giss. You can't make any ground on your idiotic propaganda threads when a real socialist is allowed into the conversation.


Condum I would never block you. You are too funny. You compare your "knowledge" gained from choosing in your moms basement to knowledge that world travelers and Ukrainian locals have. You are always good for someone to laugh at.

4/18/2014 2:44:02 PMObama is in good company 
condor_0000
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Quote from giss1:
Condum I would never block you. You are too funny. You compare your "knowledge" gained from choosing in your moms basement to knowledge that world travelers and Ukrainian locals have. You are always good for someone to laugh at.


It's only been in the last month or so that you finally unblocked me.

Clearly, Britain was never going to willingly hand over their global empire to Germany. So why would Chamberlain have ever appeased Hitler?

The answer is that he wouldn't have. What Britain had a long history of doing up to that point (a policy that actually outraged Hitler and the Nazis as well as much of the rest of the world) was using other nations and other people to fight their imperialist wars. Britain's ruling class wanted to destroy the Soviet Union and restore those capitalist markets and they saw Hitler and Germany as the means to get the job done. The very minute that they realized that Hitler had other plans and that those plans threated the British global empire, the British ruling class was ready and eager to go to war.

Quite obviously, the real story had to be changed. The history books couldn't tell the tale of Chamberlain conspiring with the evil Adolf Hitler; so they simply turned Chamberlain into a feeble-minded, peace-loving appeaser.



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4/18/2014 4:40:51 PMObama is in good company 
giss1
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Condom wake up. The French had amutual protection act with Poland. When Germany invaded they were under orders to retreat at the first sight of a French soldier. But in their rush to appease Hitler they decided Poland was a good gift to Hitler and if they just let them have it, he would stop there. Just like our first monkey decided if we let putin have crimea with just a few face saving steps from the first monkey that had limited effect, putin would stop there. History repeats itself

4/18/2014 4:46:10 PMObama is in good company 
giss1
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Quote from condor_0000:
It's only been in the last month or so that you finally unblocked me.

Clearly, Britain was never going to willingly hand over their global empire to Germany. So why would Chamberlain have ever appeased Hitler?

The answer is that he wouldn't have. What Britain had a long history of doing up to that point (a policy that actually outraged Hitler and the Nazis as well as much of the rest of the world) was using other nations and other people to fight their imperialist wars. Britain's ruling class wanted to destroy the Soviet Union and restore those capitalist markets and they saw Hitler and Germany as the means to get the job done. The very minute that they realized that Hitler had other plans and that those plans threated the British global empire, the British ruling class was ready and eager to go to war.

Quite obviously, the real story had to be changed. The history books couldn't tell the tale of Chamberlain conspiring with the evil Adolf Hitler; so they simply turned Chamberlain into a feeble-minded, peace-loving appeaser.



Yes the invasion of Poland would insure that they would take the ussr. You truly must be a genius

4/18/2014 5:55:46 PMObama is in good company 
condor_0000
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World War Two: Lessons and Warnings
By Nick Beams
18 November 2009
World Socialist Web Site
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/11/nbww-n18.html

Excerpts:

According to the prevailing legends, the war in Europe began when Britain, after trying to appease Nazi Germany, finally realized with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, that a stand had to be taken. From then on, the war was a struggle of democracy against fascist aggression. Great Britain, standing alone after the defeat of France in May 1940, and until the entry of the US in December 1941, confronted the menace of Nazism, as the war-time prime minister Winston Churchill rallied the small island nation in its “finest hour”.

The fact that when the war began, Great Britain stood at the head of the largest empire the world has ever seen, encompassing a quarter of the earth’s surface, is conveniently left out of this story. The myth is further embellished regarding the role of Churchill. With the failure of the policy of appeasement, we are led to believe, Churchill, an ardent defender of democracy and opponent of Nazism and fascism, was called to office from the political wilderness to take charge of Britain in her hour of need.

Like all historical legends this one is sustained because it serves contemporary political objectives.

What was the real situation in the 1930s? The appeasement policy was not the result of some failure to stand up to the dictator Hitler, but involved a very definite set of calculations. British accommodation to the Nazi regime was based on the hope that Hitler would carry out the program outlined in his book Mein Kampf and launch a war against the Soviet Union, from which British imperialism would be able to benefit. Britain had pursued the overthrow of the Soviet regime from the day after the revolution of October 1917. There was no more passionate supporter of this goal than Churchill, who advocated military intervention by the imperialist powers to “strangle the Bolshevik infant in its cradle.”

So much for the legend that the war was launched in defence of democracy to prevent the growth of fascism. The Nazis only became an enemy when it was feared that their drive for conquest threatened the position of British imperialism.

4/18/2014 10:19:15 PMObama is in good company 
giss1
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The most amazing thing is condom doesn't really know anything other than what they tell him on the socialist world news. He thought he was straight until he read he wasn't

4/18/2014 10:23:39 PMObama is in good company 
jim_a49
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The second most amazing thing is why someone would unblock condor.

4/19/2014 5:40:02 AMObama is in good company 
condor_0000
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Quote from giss1:
The most amazing thing is condom doesn't really know anything other than what they tell him on the socialist world news. He thought he was straight until he read he wasn't


Everything you hear on America's corporate media, I hear too. Everything you read in school in America's history textbooks, I've read it too. The difference between you and me is that I've read all of that and vastly more; plus I like for my history to actually make a little sense. Unlike you, I don't just go around repeating stupid stuff that doesn't make any sense simply because it's the conventional wisdom.

4/19/2014 6:46:09 AMObama is in good company 
condor_0000
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Quote from pontificator:
How do you know you're right??
Just because you (supposedly) read more whatever, than another, doesn't mean you're more knowledgeable, nor does it mean you're correct.


It's not simply about reading more, rather it's about having a coherent and rational analysis of historical events. Everything in history has to fit together.

The reason why I can come on these message boards and take on a plethora of professional Republican Party and Democratic Party sock-puppets is due to the fact that I embrace a coherent, rational analysis of both historical and current events while they're trying to dish ridiculous, American-capitalism propaganda.

4/19/2014 7:02:00 AMObama is in good company 

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4/19/2014 10:03:10 AMObama is in good company 
giss1
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Quote from condor_0000:
Everything you hear on America's corporate media, I hear too. Everything you read in school in America's history textbooks, I've read it too. The difference between you and me is that I've read all of that and vastly more; plus I like for my history to actually make a little sense. Unlike you, I don't just go around repeating stupid stuff that doesn't make any sense simply because it's the conventional wisdom.


No condom, you get all your information from some 4th rate website. I get my information from actually being in the places making the news. During the gulf war I quit my job and moved to Egypt. I could do that because jobs here were plentiful back before we had democrats running the country. I've been to Ukraine literally SCORES of times, while you, and the homosexual authors you cite have never been. I speak with my wife's extended family in Donetsk every day of my life on Skype, and you don't even understand Russian. Thefacts are that you truly know nothing.

4/19/2014 10:04:39 AMObama is in good company 
giss1
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Quote from condor_0000:
It's not simply about reading more, rather it's about having a coherent and rational analysis of historical events. Everything in history has to fit together.

The reason why I can come on these message boards and take on a plethora of professional Republican Party and Democratic Party sock-puppets is due to the fact that I embrace a coherent, rational analysis of both historical and current events while they're trying to dish ridiculous, American-capitalism propaganda.



Condom you come on here to find other homos to discuss the "knowledge" you don't have with them