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12/30/2016 9:49:45 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm


In Alaska’s interior, where it can reach -50 degrees Fahrenheit in winter, the EPA wants people to stop burning wood. But it's just about their only feasible way to stay warm.

read more:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/30/epa-alaskans-sub-zero-temps-stop-burning-wood-keep-warm/

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12/30/2016 10:37:21 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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A word to the wise. If you expect to have a wood stove as a back up, get it sooner rather than later, before they outlaw them. They are already regulating the least expensive ones out of the market place.


I have 2 now, and am thinking of getting another one while the getting is still kinda good.

12/30/2016 11:03:13 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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Quote from naprinciple:
A word to the wise. If you expect to have a wood stove as a back up, get it sooner rather than later, before they outlaw them. They are already regulating the least expensive ones out of the market place.


I have 2 now, and am thinking of getting another one while the getting is still kinda good.
Good advice...

12/30/2016 11:03:29 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

tragicparrot
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Yeah, not just the EPA, but this ridiculous scenario had already been leveled against Obama as well. At any rate, i'm pretty sure you's can relax, or, go cut more wood...

https://thinkprogress.org/no-president-obama-is-not-trying-to-make-your-wood-burning-stove-illegal-94ee5c8492ae#.7a7m43ige

12/30/2016 11:06:44 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Yeah, not just the EPA, but this ridiculous scenario had already been leveled against Obama as well. At any rate, i'm pretty sure you's can relax, or, go cut more wood...

https://thinkprogress.org/no-president-obama-is-not-trying-to-make-your-wood-burning-stove-illegal-94ee5c8492ae#.7a7m43ige




Understanding the Residential Wood Heater Rules
On this page:

What types of wood heaters are covered under the rule?
Are all wood heaters covered by the rule?

What types of wood heaters are covered under the rule?

The final rule strengthens the emissions standards for new wood stoves, while establishing federal air standards for other new wood heaters, including outdoor and indoor wood-fired boilers (also known as hydronic heaters).

The final standards also set particulate matter (PM) emission limits for newly manufactured adjustable-rate woodstoves, pellet stoves, wood-fired hydronic heaters, wood-burning forced-air furnaces, and a type of previously unregulated woodstove known as a “single burn rate” stove.

You can learn more about types wood heaters on EPA's Burn Wise website.


https://www.epa.gov/residential-wood-heaters/understanding-residential-wood-heater-rules

12/30/2016 11:15:14 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

tragicparrot
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Quote from naprinciple:
Understanding the Residential Wood Heater Rules
On this page:

What types of wood heaters are covered under the rule?
Are all wood heaters covered by the rule?

What types of wood heaters are covered under the rule?

The final rule strengthens the emissions standards for new wood stoves, while establishing federal air standards for other new wood heaters, including outdoor and indoor wood-fired boilers (also known as hydronic heaters).

The final standards also set particulate matter (PM) emission limits for newly manufactured adjustable-rate woodstoves, pellet stoves, wood-fired hydronic heaters, wood-burning forced-air furnaces, and a type of previously unregulated woodstove known as a “single burn rate” stove.

You can learn more about types wood heaters on EPA's Burn Wise website.


https://www.epa.gov/residential-wood-heaters/understanding-residential-wood-heater-rules


Far cry from this ridiculous claim isn't it? (EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm)

12/30/2016 11:15:18 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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It's a phasing out process...

12/30/2016 11:17:27 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

tragicparrot
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Quote from texasproud52:
It's a phasing out process...


Yeah, only its not quite the phasing out process you'd like everyone to think it is.

12/30/2016 11:18:01 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
herc117
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Quote from texasproud52:
It's a phasing out process...


Once they start the EPA won't be done till every wood stove is gone.

12/30/2016 11:24:23 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Far cry from this ridiculous claim isn't it? (EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm)





I'll grant you the title is hyperbolic, but the writing is on the wall. In the 5 years since I've been using wood heat, the EPA has regulated several models out of the market place, and I have no reason to believe they have any intention of standing pat any time soon, or ever really.

12/30/2016 11:34:12 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

tragicparrot
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Quote from naprinciple:
I'll grant you the title is hyperbolic, but the writing is on the wall. In the 5 years since I've been using wood heat, the EPA has regulated several models out of the market place, and I have no reason to believe they have any intention of standing pat any time soon, or ever really.


You can believe what you want, however, the intent by the EPA was to clearly phase out models that didn't meet not only their standards, but those imposed by consumers as well. But, if your still not convinced, then go buy a few more wood stoves. Its not like the market couldn't use the extra support.

12/30/2016 11:36:59 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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Quote from tragicparrot:
You can believe what you want, however, the intent by the EPA was to clearly phase out models that didn't meet not only their standards, but those imposed by consumers as well. But, if your still not convinced, then go buy a few more wood stoves. Its not like the market couldn't use the extra support.





The market place will get rid of stoves customers don't want all on their own. They don't need the government to make them stop making products that don't sell

12/30/2016 11:38:35 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from tragicparrot:
You can believe what you want, however, the intent by the EPA was to clearly phase out models that didn't meet not only their standards, but those imposed by consumers as well. But, if your still not convinced, then go buy a few more wood stoves. Its not like the market couldn't use the extra support.


In poor countries, they burn garbage for their heat.
the EPA is out of control!

12/30/2016 11:40:22 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Yeah, only its not quite the phasing out process you'd like everyone to think it is.
Yes like the light bulbs...

12/30/2016 11:47:54 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
herc117
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Quote from texasproud52:
Yes like the light bulbs...


If phasing out 4 for $1 bulbs and now paying $3 for a light bulb will give some dude in china a job, I'm all for it!

Got to spread the wealth! Go Obama! Actually it was the SOB Bush II.

12/30/2016 12:05:23 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from herc117:
If phasing out 4 for $1 bulbs and now paying $3 for a light bulb will give some dude in china a job, I'm all for it!

Got to spread the wealth! Go Obama! Actually it was the SOB Bush II.


I have no problem with banning incandescent bulbs. The problem I have with it is they didn't do it right. The only cheap alternative at the time was CFL'S. That mean more mercury in our landfills. Not a good thing. They should have either subsidized LED bulbs or waited until they were cheap.

12/30/2016 1:42:07 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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The Federal Government's and the EPA’s intention is twofold:

(1) Knowing that America runs on energy, it is trying to shut down America’s energy production,and (2) it is trying to keep American families dependent on the federally controlled infrastructure. It does not want Americans to have independent heating and energy and food and even water sources. It wants to punish farmers who catch rain water for their cattle, put restrictions on families who raise their one food, and on families that produce their own heating and energy needs.

It wants Americans dependent on it as a control thing. They can shut off your food, water, heat, energy, and transportation if you don't do what you are told to do. And second, it's war against domestic energy production is a war on America by its own government. Trump will put a stop to that, if they allow him to be inaugurated.

Louie

12/30/2016 2:24:16 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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Alaskan's don't like being told what they can or cannot do...that is why many of them are there in the first place.

12/30/2016 3:13:36 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from naprinciple:
The market place will get rid of stoves customers don't want all on their own. They don't need the government to make them stop making products that don't sell


So then why keep that useless money pit called the EPA around, right? Isn't that what this was all about? Seems to me if you were truly honest in trying to point out how the EPA is yet another unnecessary part of government, you would have at least started out by not presenting "hyperbole". So, anything else besides wood stoves and light bulbs that could prove we have absolutely no use for the EPA? Or am I incorrect in assuming that was the initial goal here?

12/30/2016 3:24:46 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
muldoon1959
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Yeah f**k the EPA.
I really miss the good ole days
when you could warm up by lighting the
river on fire.

Besides, how can anyone trust air you can't see?

12/30/2016 3:26:53 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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The goal is to stamp out freedom and independence...



[Edited 12/30/2016 3:27:22 PM ]

12/30/2016 3:30:42 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from tragicparrot:
So then why keep that useless money pit called the EPA around, right? Isn't that what this was all about? Seems to me if you were truly honest in trying to point out how the EPA is yet another unnecessary part of government, you would have at least started out by not presenting "hyperbole". So, anything else besides wood stoves and light bulbs that could prove we have absolutely no use for the EPA? Or am I incorrect in assuming that was the initial goal here?




The EPA should be disbanded tomorrow, if not sooner Please note I didn't post or use hyperbole. What I said I backed up with links to the EPA!




I never thought the purpose of the EPA was to ban things manufacturers couldn't sell



Let people sue in open court for actual damages, instead of the EPA licensing pollution, and thus PROTECTING the polluters who bribe them, while punishing those who don't

12/30/2016 3:44:05 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Tragic, do you support the US government giving themselves exceptions to their own rules?

12/30/2016 4:00:11 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from naprinciple:
The EPA should be disbanded tomorrow, if not sooner Please note I didn't post or use hyperbole. What I said I backed up with links to the EPA!




I never thought the purpose of the EPA was to ban things manufacturers couldn't sell



Let people sue in open court for actual damages, instead of the EPA licensing pollution, and thus PROTECTING the polluters who bribe them, while punishing those who don't


And the link to the EPA made it quite clear their not attempting to totally eliminate wood stoves. So much for that. I see you've also pulled a short paragraph from Quora. Problem is, it only addresses the unproven negative impact the EPA has on our economy without making light of the environmental impact it could have if we vote it out of existence. And do you really think any common citizen would stand a chance winning a lawsuit against a large company, let alone have any impact should they happen to pollute an entire community? .. So much for your stove issue.

12/30/2016 4:19:11 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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Quote from tragicparrot:
And the link to the EPA made it quite clear their not attempting to totally eliminate wood stoves. So much for that. I see you've also pulled a short paragraph from Quora. Problem is, it only addresses the unproven negative impact the EPA has on our economy without making light of the environmental impact it could have if we vote it out of existence. And do you really think any common citizen would stand a chance winning a lawsuit against a large company, let alone have any impact should they happen to pollute an entire community? .. So much for your stove issue.





I didn't pull anything from Quora. Stop making shit up or you'll go back in my iggy bin



Are you saying government courts are incapable of protecting us, but government bureaucrats are?

12/30/2016 4:25:53 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
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Quote from louie6332:
The Federal Government's and the EPA’s intention is twofold:

(1) Knowing that America runs on energy, it is trying to shut down America’s energy production,and (2) it is trying to keep American families dependent on the federally controlled infrastructure. It does not want Americans to have independent heating and energy and food and even water sources. It wants to punish farmers who catch rain water for their cattle, put restrictions on families who raise their one food, and on families that produce their own heating and energy needs.

It wants Americans dependent on it as a control thing. They can shut off your food, water, heat, energy, and transportation if you don't do what you are told to do. And second, it's war against domestic energy production is a war on America by its own government. Trump will put a stop to that, if they allow him to be inaugurated.

Louie


I guessed that when they came out with the blue electric meters when they changed out the gas and water meters. They can shut down whole grids in neighorhoods. Even appliances are sold with computer chips so they can tell what you use and when. One little press of the control button, your whole house will shut down.

12/30/2016 4:31:36 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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Quote from tragicparrot:
And the link to the EPA made it quite clear their not attempting to totally eliminate wood stoves. So much for that. I see you've also pulled a short paragraph from Quora. Problem is, it only addresses the unproven negative impact the EPA has on our economy without making light of the environmental impact it could have if we vote it out of existence. And do you really think any common citizen would stand a chance winning a lawsuit against a large company, let alone have any impact should they happen to pollute an entire community? .. So much for your stove issue.





Didn't say anything of the sort


the full text:



Understanding the Residential Wood Heater Rules
On this page:

What types of wood heaters are covered under the rule?
Are all wood heaters covered by the rule?

What types of wood heaters are covered under the rule?

The final rule strengthens the emissions standards for new wood stoves, while establishing federal air standards for other new wood heaters, including outdoor and indoor wood-fired boilers (also known as hydronic heaters).

The final standards also set particulate matter (PM) emission limits for newly manufactured adjustable-rate woodstoves, pellet stoves, wood-fired hydronic heaters, wood-burning forced-air furnaces, and a type of previously unregulated woodstove known as a “single burn rate” stove.

You can learn more about types wood heaters on EPA's Burn Wise website.

Top of Page
Are all wood heaters covered by the rule?

The rule does not affect existing woodstoves and other wood-burning heaters currently in use in people’s homes. It also does not apply to new or existing heaters that are fueled solely by oil, gas or coal, and it would not apply to outdoor fireplaces, fire pits, pizza ovens or chimineas.

In addition, EPA did not include new indoor fireplaces for regulation, based on the agency’s review of data indicating that typical fireplaces are not effective heaters. Fireplaces are included in an EPA voluntary program that encourages manufacturers to make cleaner-burning new fireplaces, and retrofits for existing fireplaces, available for consumers.

EPA has a number of tools available to help local governments address existing heaters, including “Strategies for Reducing Residential Wood Smoke” issued by EPA’s Burn Wise program. This comprehensive document covers local regulations, voluntary programs, funding mechanisms and best burn practices - all of which can help reduce particle pollution from existing wood-burning appliances.




It didn't say one word about their future intentions.



Do you wonder why I call you a lying government shill?



[Edited 12/30/2016 4:32:42 PM ]

12/30/2016 4:44:46 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)

12/30/2016 5:44:17 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from muldoon1959:
Yeah f**k the EPA.
I really miss the good ole days
when you could warm up by lighting the
river on fire.

Besides, how can anyone trust air you can't see?


I wish we were still using leaded gas. Too much life in the ocean now a days.

12/30/2016 5:46:45 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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Prog, how do you feel about the largest polluter in the world regulating us, and giving themselves a pass whenever they like?

12/30/2016 5:59:13 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

progrocknic
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Quote from naprinciple:
Prog, how do you feel about the largest polluter in the world regulating us, and giving themselves a pass whenever they like?


They don't give themselves a pass, they give corporations a pass. I'm pretty sure I've been pretty vocal about corporate influences in government. They always get a free pass. But then that's who elects our leaders, so it's not really unexpected.

12/30/2016 6:24:32 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Feel free to believe they keep themselves honest




For everyone else




The Number One Worst Polluter on Earth Is… The U.S. Federal Government
Apr 18, 2012 By W. E. Messamore
in Energy

With Earth Day coming up this weekend, it might be helpful to remember that the worst polluter on planet Earth is not a major corporation, but the United States federal government, and if we’re going to be serious about reducing our impact on the environment, we need to advocate for less, not more government.

Should more environmental restrictions be placed on the government?*
In some cases
Yes
No
Email*
Required to prove your humanity

Indeed, the federal government is the single largest consumer of energy with 500,000 buildings and 600,000 vehicles. In 2009 alone, the government’s bill for utilities and fuel totaled $24 billion, so it’s no surprise that the government’s carbon footprint is 123.2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide a year.

State and local governments are also among the nation’s worst polluters. In Georgia for example, an investigation just last November found that the state and county governments are Georgia’s worst polluters. In fact, over the last decade, dozens of county governments have racked up a total of more than $14 million in pollution fines and the state government itself is a major hazard to the environment too, with the Georgia Department of Transportation and its contractors alone racking up $1.3 million in pollution fines.

Yet even as awful as many state and local governments throughout the country are, the federal government is still by far, the worst polluter. And despite never-ending plans, promises, and programs from every administration to get its polluting under control (remember the Environmental Protection Agency was started over 40 years ago in 1970– by a Republican) the pollution just keeps getting worse with no end in sight.

This could be in part because military spending and activity, especially after 9-11, just keeps expanding with no end in sight. While the federal government is the world’s worst polluter, the Department of Defense alone actually pollutes more than the rest of the federal government combined. Yet environmentalist activism directed against the government’s pollution is virtually nonexistent.

As ProjectCensored.org reported last year:

“The US military is responsible for the most egregious and widespread pollution of the planet, yet this information and accompanying documentation goes almost entirely unreported. In spite of the evidence, the environmental impact of the US military goes largely unaddressed by environmental organizations and was not the focus of any discussions or proposed restrictions at the recent UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. This impact includes uninhibited use of fossil fuels, massive creation of greenhouse gases, and extensive release of radioactive and chemical contaminants into the air, water, and soil.”

Over the last decade, dozens of county governments have racked up a total of more than $14 million in pollution fines
W.E. Messamore

In 2005, Lucinda Marshall, founder of the Feminist Peace Network, wrote that the U.S. Department of Defense produces more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined. From cancer-causing depleted uranium ammunition and armor, to perchlorate rocket fuel leaking from literally hundreds of military plants and installations into the groundwater of 35 states, to the military’s unquenchable thirst for fossil fuels– the Department of Defense is polluting our environment more than anyone else.

This year on Earth Day, instead of giving the government a free pass on pollution while it polices the rest of our polluting, environmentalists should demand that we start where the problem is worst, that we start by cutting back the government‘s polluting, and not with more phony promises, plans, and programs that never change anything, but by cutting back the size, role, and influence of government itself.

http://ivn.us/2012/04/18/the-number-one-worst-polluter-on-earth-is-the-u-s-federal-government/

12/30/2016 6:37:40 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Quote from naprinciple:
Feel free to believe they keep themselves honest




For everyone else




The Number One Worst Polluter on Earth Is… The U.S. Federal Government
Apr 18, 2012 By W. E. Messamore
in Energy

With Earth Day coming up this weekend, it might be helpful to remember that the worst polluter on planet Earth is not a major corporation, but the United States federal government, and if we’re going to be serious about reducing our impact on the environment, we need to advocate for less, not more government.

Should more environmental restrictions be placed on the government?*
In some cases
Yes
No
Email*
Required to prove your humanity

Indeed, the federal government is the single largest consumer of energy with 500,000 buildings and 600,000 vehicles. In 2009 alone, the government’s bill for utilities and fuel totaled $24 billion, so it’s no surprise that the government’s carbon footprint is 123.2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide a year.

State and local governments are also among the nation’s worst polluters. In Georgia for example, an investigation just last November found that the state and county governments are Georgia’s worst polluters. In fact, over the last decade, dozens of county governments have racked up a total of more than $14 million in pollution fines and the state government itself is a major hazard to the environment too, with the Georgia Department of Transportation and its contractors alone racking up $1.3 million in pollution fines.

Yet even as awful as many state and local governments throughout the country are, the federal government is still by far, the worst polluter. And despite never-ending plans, promises, and programs from every administration to get its polluting under control (remember the Environmental Protection Agency was started over 40 years ago in 1970– by a Republican) the pollution just keeps getting worse with no end in sight.

This could be in part because military spending and activity, especially after 9-11, just keeps expanding with no end in sight. While the federal government is the world’s worst polluter, the Department of Defense alone actually pollutes more than the rest of the federal government combined. Yet environmentalist activism directed against the government’s pollution is virtually nonexistent.

As ProjectCensored.org reported last year:

“The US military is responsible for the most egregious and widespread pollution of the planet, yet this information and accompanying documentation goes almost entirely unreported. In spite of the evidence, the environmental impact of the US military goes largely unaddressed by environmental organizations and was not the focus of any discussions or proposed restrictions at the recent UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. This impact includes uninhibited use of fossil fuels, massive creation of greenhouse gases, and extensive release of radioactive and chemical contaminants into the air, water, and soil.”

Over the last decade, dozens of county governments have racked up a total of more than $14 million in pollution fines
W.E. Messamore

In 2005, Lucinda Marshall, founder of the Feminist Peace Network, wrote that the U.S. Department of Defense produces more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined. From cancer-causing depleted uranium ammunition and armor, to perchlorate rocket fuel leaking from literally hundreds of military plants and installations into the groundwater of 35 states, to the military’s unquenchable thirst for fossil fuels– the Department of Defense is polluting our environment more than anyone else.

This year on Earth Day, instead of giving the government a free pass on pollution while it polices the rest of our polluting, environmentalists should demand that we start where the problem is worst, that we start by cutting back the government‘s polluting, and not with more phony promises, plans, and programs that never change anything, but by cutting back the size, role, and influence of government itself.

http://ivn.us/2012/04/18/the-number-one-worst-polluter-on-earth-is-the-u-s-federal-government/


Just like I said, corporations. Why do you think the government does all that? Because if they don't, they don't get the money to function. Corporations pull the strings of the puppets we call leaders. If you can't see that by now, you haven't been paying attention.

12/30/2016 6:42:44 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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Wood heat is awesome, I can't wait to get a house with a fireplace or a wood stove. Plus it gives me a good use and reason to own the 2nd and 3rd largest chainsaws made by Stihl.

12/30/2016 6:46:51 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

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I'm a Husqvarna man myself

12/30/2016 6:50:42 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

inventtis2
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Grand Rapids, MI
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Quote from naprinciple:
I'm a Husqvarna man myself


Nothing wrong with their XP models, but the new EPA saws are being choked off until you open up the mufflers.

12/30/2016 7:10:15 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

shawnee_b
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Edmonton, KY
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Quote from naprinciple:
I'm a Husqvarna man myself


Me too. My 455 rancher been going strong 9 years. Time to get a limber too. Husk of course.

12/30/2016 8:50:13 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

reginamc
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Las Vegas, NV
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You're not allowed to have a fireplace here. Been illegal for a long time now.

12/30/2016 8:53:29 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
cafe_express
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Gueydan, LA
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Quote from reginamc:
You're not allowed to have a fireplace here. Been illegal for a long time now.

WHAT? I have had a wood burning fireplace for the last 25 years. I have been offered to convert to natural gas and I said no for the few days I use it, I like wood, natural man made product.

Tell the EPA to put the screws to developers cutting down oxygen making trees that take in CO2 and clean the air.

12/30/2016 9:04:40 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

tragicparrot
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Painesville, OH
21, joined Mar. 2014


Quote from naprinciple:
......Yet even as awful as many state and local governments throughout the country are, the federal government is still by far, the worst polluter. And despite never-ending plans, promises, and programs from every administration to get its polluting under control (remember the Environmental Protection Agency was started over 40 years ago in 1970– by a Republican) the pollution just keeps getting worse with no end in sight.


Getting worse? Really? Apparently a few folks have forgotten the times when corporations were allowed to get away with even more...

http://grist.org/article/2012-01-05-photos-what-america-looked-like-before-the-epa/

http://www.momscleanairforce.org/pollution-prevention-week-life-in-america-before-the-epa/

Not that the EPA is not without criticism, but I find it rather hard to believe that by eliminating the EPA, none of our rivers would be polluted, taxes would go down, and unemployment would go down as a result of all those job-killing regulations having been removed.

12/30/2016 9:05:30 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

darthv
Funk, NE
46, joined Mar. 2014


Alaskans can stop burning wood when sanctuary cities decide to follow federal laws.

12/30/2016 9:09:49 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

reginamc
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Quote from cafe_express:
WHAT? I have had a wood burning fireplace for the last 25 years. I have been offered to convert to natural gas and I said no for the few days I use it, I like wood, natural man made product.

Tell the EPA to put the screws to developers cutting down oxygen making trees that take in CO2 and clean the air.


I looked it up - 1991, no more wood burning fireplaces. You can keep yours if it's older than that, but not allowed in new construction because of pollution. But you can have one outside which really makes no sense.

12/30/2016 9:22:27 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
cafe_express
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Yet here we sit with the ability to stop using pesticides and clean the air with simple natural environmental things. Ecology is a wonderful thing, but manufacturers of synthetic products will never let you hear otherwise. Mega doses of Vitamin C have been shown to reverse heart disease but the Pharmaceutical companies will lose billions of dollars if you know the truth.

Trees naturally clean the air we breath, yet developers stand to lose billions of dollars if they don't cement every piece of land we have.

Farmers can naturally raise cattle, eggs without pesticides but the greed of Monsanto has a corrupt stronghold. I just hope Trump makes it to the White house. His life is on the line because of all the money involved in dissolving these corrupt corporations. Money we can't even imagine.

I saw what Florida Power and light did on a smaller scale to prevent a little city from starting its own power company. Very scary.

When Federal funds are cut to supply these corrupt corporations, the shit will hit the fan.



[Edited 12/30/2016 9:23:54 PM ]

12/30/2016 9:40:45 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

w6o6l6f_1
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Richmond, VA
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I helped a neighbor install a wood stove.
We had to cut a hole in the wall to vent the smoke.
He always kept a pot of water on it to keep the air from drying.

The EPA is prejudice against Pyro maniacs.

12/30/2016 9:50:35 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
cafe_express
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Gueydan, LA
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W6, believe me there is money involved for them. They get federal grants to keep looking like they are saving the planet. A good idea, as usual goes to far and becomes corrupt when they figure the goose that lays the golden egg out.

12/30/2016 10:47:02 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

pdforone
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I have a wood burning stove that I have been using every winter for 26 years, mine has a catalytic combustor.

There is a big difference in the amount of heat you get from different types of wood, you probably have to burn 2-3 times as much pine or other soft woods to get the same amount of heat as from oak or hickory.

If you have to have a catalytic convertor on your car - truck? Why not one on a wood burner? How many people want to burn a tree? Yet never bother to plant one?

12/31/2016 12:19:02 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

naprinciple
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West Plains, MO
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My annual fuel bill is 15 bucks in gas and oil





Sometimes thinning is MUCH more productive than planting

12/31/2016 12:43:12 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

mr_bad_robot
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Cincinnati, OH
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I have two passive solar fireplaces in my home. There is nothing more relaxing than warm fire on a cold winter's night.

12/31/2016 1:14:20 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
cafe_express
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Gueydan, LA
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Quote from reginamc:
You're not allowed to have a fireplace here. Been illegal for a long time now.


Regina, can you have a natural gas stove or none at all?

12/31/2016 7:03:56 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

inventtis2
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Grand Rapids, MI
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Quote from pdforone:
I have a wood burning stove that I have been using every winter for 26 years, mine has a catalytic combustor.

There is a big difference in the amount of heat you get from different types of wood, you probably have to burn 2-3 times as much pine or other soft woods to get the same amount of heat as from oak or hickory.

If you have to have a catalytic convertor on your car - truck? Why not one on a wood burner? How many people want to burn a tree? Yet never bother to plant one?


I've watched the squirrels plant them for me....lol. I've seen the woods logged and it still grows back.

12/31/2016 7:05:20 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

maniacmassager
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Liberalism trying to take away more of our freedoms yet again.

12/31/2016 7:15:06 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

inventtis2
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I think the EPA is causing more harm than good, we should get rid of it.

12/31/2016 7:44:54 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

sureshot40
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Drumright, OK
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They could burn whale oil.

12/31/2016 8:18:14 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
michael061
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Columbia, SC
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I agree.

We need someone to regulate things that do harm to our environment, but we also need to consider the harm those regulations do.

White collar workers, the elite, and the welfare bums, generally elect liberals to run their towns, cities and often times the entire country.

If you are a welfare bum, living in Publicly subsidized housing, you have no idea how hard working blue collar people live in our more rural areas. (And the folks in those rural areas have no idea how it is to depend on someone else for everything.)

The elites look down their noses at anyone who works for a living.

None of them care about the lost pride that results when a person who has worked hard for twenty or thirty years is laid off.

We need to think about the other guy once in a while.

I agree with the liberals as far as wanting clean air, water, and land. However, I also care about the factory worker who will lose his job if their factory is closed.

The liberals are right to want clean air, but they are very selfish when they fight to put other people out of work,,, without giving a thought to the lives of the people they put out of work.

I can understand why a well educated white collar worker might not think about a blue collar guys job as much as he should. The well educated people can usually find other jobs, so they do not understand the trauma a working man experiences when he loses his job.

If they just gave a thought to the blue collar working man, I think they could cut pollution, and keep some of the blue collar people from losing their jobs.

What we are asking of the liberals who run the EPA, is that they give a little thought to the damage they do when they try to help.

Of course the welfare bums in the Democrat party can't understand why the hard working blue collar men and women don't just get on the government gravy train, and live off the taxpayers.

The worst part, is when liberals close down our factories, and then send our jobs to China where their factories cause ten times as much air pollution as ours did.

So where is the benefit in that? Free men loose jobs. We support slave wages. We support a government that is a dictatorship that hates America. The environment suffers. Our taxes go up to pay for welfare.

Worst of all, our people become more and more divided. Just look at your television and you can see the intolerance and hate getting worse by the day.

Liberals hate Trump, and conservatives hate Obama and Hillary.

Liberals have no problem when a welfare bum runs his heater, with his windows wide open. Liberals have no problem with welfare bums who waste everything,, because everything is given to them.

So why do liberals hate the hard working man, who lives out in the country, and who never wastes anything?

Might we try to cut waste, as a method of cleaning our environment?





Quote from sillylaugher61:
In poor countries, they burn garbage for their heat.
the EPA is out of control!


12/31/2016 8:28:57 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 

jitssbaby617
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Liberals are destroying freedom

12/31/2016 10:21:30 AMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
texasproud52
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Dallas, TX
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Perhaps if all wood burning Alaskans would just agree to buy some carbon offsets the gooberment might leave them alone.

12/31/2016 3:50:07 PMEPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm 
cafe_express
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Gueydan, LA
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Never burn pine in the fire place, causes creosote deposits and that can build up and burn the house down. Only burn Oak