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4/14/2009 8:33:59 AMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
izzyalone
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The Antichrist and The False Covenant with Israel
Blair says Palestinian state only solution

2 hrs 16 mins ago
JERUSALEM (AFP) – Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair on Monday emerged from talks with new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying a Palestinian state was the only solution to the Middle East conflict.
"My view is that he does understand that if the right context would be created for peace, the only lasting peace is based on a two-state solution," Blair said after his meeting with the hawkish Israeli leader.
"The only solution that will work which is two states living side by side in peace," said Blair, the former British prime minister who now represents the diplomatic Quartet made up of the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and the United States.
He said the priorities at this stage were to hold "a credible political negotiation for a two-state solution," measures to improve life in the Palestinian territories and a lifting of the blockade of the Gaza Strip.
[link to news.yahoo.com]

Obama reiterates U.S. support for Palestinian state
1 hr 59 mins ago
ANKARA (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama said on Monday the United States strongly supported the aim of setting up a Palestinian state living "side by side" and at peace with Israel.
Obama reiterated the U.S. position after Israel's new foreign minister said last week that Israel was not bound by a deal to start negotiations on establishing a Palestinian state.
"Let me be clear: the United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security," Obama said in a speech to the Turkish parliament.
"Now, we must not give into pessimism and mistrust. We must pursue every opportunity for progress," he said, weighing in on the Middle East peace issue for the first time since rightist Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took power and formed a new government.
Obama promised to actively pursue a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"We know that the road ahead will be difficult. Both Israelis and Palestinians must take the steps that are necessary to build confidence," he said.
In his speech, Obama also said he sought engagement with Iran.
But he added: "Iran's leaders must choose whether they will try to build a weapon or build a better future for their people."
[link to news.yahoo.com]

Daniel 9:27
Revelation 13,17,18
2 Thessalonians 2
Isaiah 13 and 14

The Antichrist and The False Covenant with Israel

...and so IT begins........



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4/14/2009 9:13:01 AMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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very interesting Izz. So I guess you think he is the son of Perdition? I'm not sure on that one, BUT I am also not certain in my doubt. I see him more in another role, that is cited in Revelation. Time will tell.

Great Thread Izz, per your usual. You always have thought provoking threads. Nice to see.

4/14/2009 9:29:44 AMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
firebird1971
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Another pathitic end days premonition . and purelight I would apologize to you but you probably wouldint accept it! But I do respect youre views even though I dont agree to them ! But I resserve my right to criticize .. How many times is someone going to name the anti christ and the end days! Heck ther where wack jobs calling Bush the anti christ ! can we just wait for him to show up ? After all if its God's will that the anti christ is going to raine on earth then why worry about it ? What if some wack job thinks Obama is the anti Christ and kills the man ? Would all you neonuts have a party ?



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4/14/2009 11:44:06 AMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
izzyalone
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Quote from purelight:
So I guess you think he is the son of Perdition?

NO ONE knows, I'm just presenting a case. You decide, if we see a peace treaty with Israel this June.......do you think anyone will change their minds?
According to prophecy they won't. No one is gonna believe it until they see Nibiru in the sky for themselves. It won't be visable until just months before the 2012 passage and then it will be too late to prepare. This is how I interpret (IMO) the prophecy of scripture, and I believe God is NO liar.

4/14/2009 12:27:00 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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As far as Obama being the anti-Christ. No. He is not "the" anti-Christ. Anyone against Christ technically IS an anti-Christ.

But of the man referenced in Revelations, that is "THE" anti-Christ, is someone else. I see Obama playing more of the role of the first beast. Ref: Revelations chapter 13.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (as you know these are all references to power)

This individual MUST be either a Jew or a Muslim. This reference..."sand of the sea" is a reference, an analogy given to the descendants of Abraham, and Abraham only. So he must be...he HAS to be...either a Jew or a Muslim in his faith. I find the second verse pretty interesting too...

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This "leopard description" could be several things, as far as the description of what this man looked like...(reference Daniel 2nd chapter..when he interpreted the dream for Nebuchadnezzar) but I do find it very interesting that it first describes him as a leopard. This could mean partly a physical thing, as sometimes the bible will do, but it most likely is more about the spiritual.

However, a lot of times, scripture can mean BOTH. This leopard description does not mean this man will be "spotted" like a leopard, but being of a mix of two races would certainly fit. I find it interesting that Obama is half white and half black....but that is only the physical, which the bible doesn't put as much weight on as spiritual, because other scriptures tell us to look with eyes of faith, not on the physical.

But why Obama gets my attention with this Leopard description (and with this scripture) is because he fits the spiritual. This Leopard description also in a spiritual sense could mean Light and Dark, being raised Muslim and now claiming Christianity. (and..you've heard the term, a leopard cannot change his spots)...and spiritually this could also mean...one who would appear to appease two extremes...

This first beast (as ref. in Rev. 13:1) is who I think he could very possibly be.

I also know this first beast could not be a Christian. Because if he were, this man would be described as coming out of something else. Christians were grafted onto the vine, and the biblical description would bare that out, if this person was a Christian, which is another reason, I don't believe Obama is one, even though he claims it.

But because he "claims" it, but appeases "bows" to a Muslim prince, (he fits the description of appearing to appease both extremes...as a leopard) a real CHRISTIAN would NEVER bow to a Muslim. NEVER! Remember the story of the 3 Hebrews in Daniel? A true Christian would never bow to anything but God.

Lots of people "claim" Christianity, but their lives, their "witness" says otherwise. Lots of Slave Owners and slave ship captains were "claimed" to be Christian in the movie, "Roots" but in actuality. No true Christian can ever place a person to bondage of servitude another brother, or anyone. Christianity embraces all colors, all nationalities.

The book of Philemon in the New Testament, where the Apostle Paul writes to Philemon, concerning the servitude of Onesimus, urging Philemon to no longer treat him as a servant, but as a brother, a fellow worshipper...in other words, equal in stature.

You see Philemon had slaves, but became a Christian. So once he did, Paul wrote to him and gently urged him to accept Onesimus as a brother, and no longer as a slave.

So you see, no TRUE Christian, can ever bow to or enslave another man. If Obama was a TRUE and REAL Christian, he would know that.



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4/14/2009 1:50:25 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
akforrest7
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Well I would think you would have to be quite intellegent to be this "anti-christ", so its doubtful to be any of the above, however I would be curious as to where the term anti-christ is in the Bible.

4/14/2009 2:16:37 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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It's a term that is often given to the False Prophet referenced in Revelation. He comes as a Prophet, just not a prophet of "true" Christianity. Many Jews will believe he is "the Christ" though, since they are still looking for him to arrive.

Hence the name anti-Christ. But when you hear the term, who is being referenced is the False Prophet, referenced in more than Revelations. I think Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Isaiah also have it referenced, as well as others, just can't remember them all at the moment.

A lot of people read more about him in Revelations though, because the text is so difficult to understand with the Old Testament writings, and a little easier in Revelations (although, often misinterpreted).



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4/14/2009 2:25:08 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
akforrest7
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Well I have heard of the false prophet, and I still don't think any of the above fit the profile well enough. And I think a lot of the doomsday sayers miss an important part of the prophecy, which is found in Rev.20, so I would only say that it is the violent end of a paradigm, or a world view, but not the annialation of the Earth and all of the inhabitants. Which really isn't such a bad thing. But there has to be world peace for roughly 2 years before it gets ugly.

4/14/2009 2:39:28 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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42 months AK, which is 3.5 years.

And as far as fitting prophecy, I think he does fit the one I referenced. But I could be wrong.

Time will tell us all. Agreed?



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4/14/2009 2:47:05 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
akforrest7
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Alright, well I agree to disagreeing, and I guess it doesn't matter so much who it will be, as long as its not me. I just don't think the guy is smart enough, but then I suppose you can fake lack of intellegence. I think the person has yet to reveal themselves from behind the scenes.

4/14/2009 2:57:06 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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Ok Forest, you and I are talking about two different people.

You are talking about the "false prophet" and I am talking about the "first beast"...these are two different individuals.

And I think you might like to rethink the idea about a person needing to be really intelligent in order to fool the masses. Did you catch anything about this last Presidential campaign? LOL

All the guy did was walk around chanting "change" and look how many fell for it?

In order for a person to deceive. All that is required is that the people are deceived.

This doesn't take a genius...look at Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite of Heaven's Gate...who had all the men in his following neutered and take a pill to kill themselves so they could jump on a space ship that was hidden by a comet a few years ago. I wouldn't call any of these men super intelligent by any stretch.



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4/14/2009 3:29:58 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
izzyalone
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Quote from akforrest7:
Well I have heard of the false prophet, and I still don't think any of the above fit the profile well enough. And I think a lot of the doomsday sayers miss an important part of the prophecy, which is found in Rev.20, so I would only say that it is the violent end of a paradigm, or a world view, but not the annialation of the Earth and all of the inhabitants. Which really isn't such a bad thing. But there has to be world peace for roughly 2 years before it gets ugly.


Neither II Thessalonians nor Revelation use the term Antichrist,(I don't think that term is even in the bible? Maybe Paul or one of new test. authors did use it to describe anyone who is against Christ) but both works refer to a coming persecutor who is evidently the same person. ... In Rev 13:17,18; he is referred to as the creature. He is the person responsible for the “mark” (implant chip?) which is either his name or the code number of his name, and the numerical values of his name adds up to 666.(or 616)

also Not world peace just a 7 year treaty with Israel, which will be broken 3.5 yrs. later at the midpoint of the tribulation.( the midpoint is the opening of the 6th seal, Rev 6:12-17, this description matches up with what would happen if a large comet or body passed near earth. If Dec. 21 2012 is the pole shift, then mid june 09 has to mark the beginning of the trib.)

If prophecy is coming to pass, it will unfold exactly as it is written. Every prophecy has already been fulfilled AS WRITTEN except the end times and the tribulation. The first act of the trib. is the peace treaty with Israel. The nations involved with this treaty are at the table as we speak. If a peace treaty with Israel is instituted in mid June 09, I would consider that a very convincing and prophetic sign that the tribulation has begun.




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4/14/2009 4:13:09 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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Chatting wouldn't let me post earlier...

Izzy, before this peace treaty is signed, isn't there supposed to be a pretty large scale war first?



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4/14/2009 4:52:22 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
omega406
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does peace come from the ice or from the concret?

4/14/2009 6:14:06 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
izzyalone
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Quote from purelight:
Chatting wouldn't let me post earlier...

Izzy, before this peace treaty is signed, isn't there supposed to be a pretty large scale war first?

Daniel 7:7; What nation could he possibly be talking about except US (UN) ?
It's pretty much a world wide war between radical islam and radical zionists right now, how much bigger does it have to be? A nuclear exchange ? I think there is supposed to be one though. Rev 13:13 but I'm not sure of it's timing.(Perhaps the treaty is broken by a nuclear bomb/exchange, right -as/during/before- Nibiru makes it's appearance?)
Daniel 7:23-25; vs.24-I think this indicates the US, Great Britain, and Israel being destroyed prior to the rise of anti christ, NWO. Our economy is bust so maybe we are already 'destroyed'...

70th wk. of Daniel

4/14/2009 6:20:39 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
omega406
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"'A senior Palestinian Authority official says Israel has ordered the destruction of dozens of Palestinian homes in occupied East Jerusalem (al-Quads).

Hatem Abdel Qader, an official responsible for Jerusalem affairs in the Palestinian government said Saturday that Israel recently ordered the demolition of 56 Palestinian homes in the areas of Beit Hanou, Jebal Makaber and El Tor.

Abdal-Qader added that he will ask Israel's judiciary to revoke the order on Sunday.

Last month Israel ordered hundreds of Palestinians to leave their homes in annexed east Jerusalem, claiming that they did not have proper documentations for their houses.

The residents on the other hand argue that Israeli officials have been withholding their documents or were refusing to issue documents for their houses.

According to Abdel Kader, 1,500 people are currently living in threatened houses in the Al-Bustan neighbourhood abutting the Old City. He said several of the houses served with demolition orders were built before 1967, when Israel captured east Jerusalem from Jordan during the Six Day War.

The status of the city is among the thorny issues of the peace process with the Palestinians reiterating that any Palestinian state should include the city as its capital. "

4/14/2009 6:26:44 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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Quote from omega406:
does peace come from the ice or from the concret?



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I'll do some more reading on this Izzy and get back with you. Interesting Thread...best one posted all day, except for the one about Obama's brother Cooter...LOL

Your threads are always interesting. I was in Illinois a few days ago. If I'd have known you were so close, we might have looked you up for a cup of coffee and a chat...I would have liked to meet you, you post a lot of really interesting stuff...

So thanks for the thread.

4/14/2009 6:33:51 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 

horserider4ever
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PUrelight comment:
Izzy, before this peace treaty is signed, isn't there supposed to be a pretty large scale war first?

My response: You are correct..at least to my memory.... I figured from being raised southern baptist and the teaching I learned...there will probably be a big war involving the super players, middle east, russia, china, USA, europe...whether that be nuclear or chemical/biological... that will drop everyone to their knees and make them "want to call a truce". this will be the "peace in the middle east" that is referenced in Revelations... it was my understanding that will be the middle of the tribulation. The antichrist instigates the peace...in prep for all heck breaking loose in the last part of the Tribulation. Only my understanding from my church.. Nothing is totally written in precise words to spell it all out for us...you are only getting the perspective of the preacher's ideology.

izzyalone

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Daniel 7:7; What nation could he possibly be talking about except US (UN) ?
It's pretty much a world wide war between radical islam and radical zionists right now, how much bigger does it have to be? A nuclear exchange ? I think there is supposed to be one though. Rev 13:13 but I'm not sure of it's timing.(Perhaps the treaty is broken by a nuclear bomb/exchange, right -as/during/before- Nibiru makes it's appearance?)
Daniel 7:23-25; vs.24-I think this indicates the US, Great Britain, and Israel being destroyed prior to the rise of anti christ, NWO. Our economy is bust so maybe we are already 'destroyed'...

My response: After 1000's of years in war in the middle east ..go figure they would be the one's to drag everyone else into it? hmmmm...Yes you are correct...the middle east Will start the "UGLY one", but not sure so sure the big player will be destroyed. Not sure on that one...

4/14/2009 6:37:19 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
izzyalone
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Quote from purelight:

So thanks for the thread.

I'd add you as a friend but your blocked to public. ?

4/14/2009 6:41:23 PMEnd times 7 year peace treaty with Israel. 
purelight
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Sorry Izzy...tired of the trolls, so I made my profile invisible to everyone but friends. I'll send you the request...and thanks!!