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8/9/2012 1:40:01 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

texasproud52
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(CNSNews.com) -- A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.

One of the main arguments the Obama administration made for passing the Affordable Care Act was that it would provide coverage for the uninsured.

Currently, accoriding to CBO, there are 53 million uninsured persons in the United States, including uninsured illegal aliens. The CBO estimates that in 2022--8 years after the Affordable Care Act has been fully implemented--30 million people will remain uninsured.

Moreover, under Obamacare, 8 percent of legal U.S. residents will remain without health insurance in 2022, according to CBO.

The report was done to assess the fiscal impact of the Supreme Court June Obamacare decision.

“CBO and JCT [Joint Committee on Taxation] now estimate that the ACA, in comparison with prior law before the enactment of the ACA, will reduce the number of nonelderly people without health insurance coverage by 14 million in 2014 and by 29 million or 30 million in the latter part of the coming decade, leaving 30 million nonelderly residents uninsured by the end of the period,” the report said.

“Before the Supreme Court’s decision, the latter number had been 27 million,” states the report.

As a result of the Supreme Court decision, states are no longer obligated under Obamacare to expand eligibility for their Medicaid programs.

“Some states will probably forgo the expansion entirely; some are likely to expand coverage to everyone whose income is below 138 percent of the FPL [federal poverty level]; and if the flexibility is allowed, some states may choose partial expansions. Further, states may be able to make those choices in any year after 2014,” the report said.

“The updated estimates by CBO and JCT represent their assessment of the middle of the distribution of the many possible outcomes arising from the Supreme Court’s decision,” states the CBO report.

On the same day the Supreme Court issued its ruling, President Barack Obama delivered a speech in which he said 30 million Americans presently without health coverage will now have the opportunity to obtain affordable health plans.

“If you’re one of the 30 million Americans who don’t yet have health insurance, starting in 2014, this law will offer you an array of quality, affordable, private health insurance plans to choose from,” said Obama.

However, as the CBO concludes, despite all the new government regulations and bureaucracies, taxes and subsidies created by Obamacare, there will still be 30 million uninsured people in the United States a decade from now.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured

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8/9/2012 1:42:53 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

winxi
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http://factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/

8/9/2012 2:04:51 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

texasproud52
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Quote from winxi:
http://factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/
No romney care either!!

8/9/2012 2:29:27 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jokethem
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Quote from winxi:
http://factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/



Odd, I thought this thread is about Obamo care.

8/9/2012 2:33:38 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
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I feel that a.country as great as Americans claim they are.should leave millions of their own citizens uncared for if they fall ill.

Especially as.they brag about helping sick people elsewhere in the world.

Yes that IS something to be proud of.

8/9/2012 2:36:08 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
anevilgenius
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CNSNEWS.com..




Whats wrong, nothing new from infowars to post ?

8/9/2012 2:40:01 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jokethem
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Quote from savonagirl:
I feel that a.country as great as Americans claim they are.should leave millions of their own citizens uncared for if they fall ill.

Especially as.they brag about helping sick people elsewhere in the world.

Yes that IS something to be proud of.




everyone has health care lady. there is medicare, medicad, private insurance, healthcare through the welfare system and no hospital can turn a person away.

8/9/2012 2:42:43 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
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If that IS the.case way does anyone care how many millions will or won't be without insurance,

it's one way or the other or its a non issue.

8/9/2012 2:48:09 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

dwwcat
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obamacare is a tax on the middle and lower income brackets to offset the cost of illegals healthcare that is exempt from paying.

8/9/2012 2:56:49 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

winxi
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Quote from jokethem:
everyone has health care lady. there is medicare, medicad, private insurance, healthcare through the welfare system and no hospital can turn a person away.


Wrong. Not everyone has healthcare. Around 18% of the population is without health insurance.

8/9/2012 2:57:11 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jokethem
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Quote from savonagirl:
If that IS the.case way does anyone care how many millions will or won't be without insurance,

it's one way or the other or its a non issue.



Of the millions that you are asking about are a lot of young single people who do not feel they want or need health care. Why? Because all young people feel nothing will ever hurt them and will to take the rish and/or not willing to buy healthcare because they are more interested in their toys and living a fun life based on their current income.

This obama care will now force them or their parents to buy insurance against their will.

8/9/2012 2:57:17 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

winxi
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Quote from texasproud52:
No romney care either!!


That's what I was wondering. lol

8/9/2012 2:57:24 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

pdforone
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-covering-30-million-uninsured-is-not-the-issue/2012/07/01/gJQA3mqGGW_blog.html

8/9/2012 2:58:31 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jokethem
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Quote from winxi:
Wrong. Not everyone has healthcare. Around 18% of the population is without health insurance.



And who are these 18%? Can you give us a true break down? Then how many of this 18% want insurance?

8/9/2012 5:43:14 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

texasproud52
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Quote from poooochy:
of course it's a non issue to people that actually have insurance & it's the Neocon ideology in spades----"I got mine,get yours or just f**k off & die." what patriots these people are.
Wasn't the whole point of o'care to make sure everyone was covered? Y'all shot gunned our health care system for nothing?

8/9/2012 6:33:16 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

texasproud52
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Quote from poooochy:
no. the "point" is that we wanted single payer & after you teabaggers got done with the ACA this is what we now have. at least it will force you hacks to come up with another plan & of course it will fail because you will try to re implement the same failed bullshit just like Rmoney wants to do with the economy & taxes. this is just more stonewalling & blatant hypocrisy from you people. the Republican response to Hillarycare was almost a carbon copy of Obamacare. the Heritage Foundation coined the term "individual mandate" for chrissakes.
So ya'll shot gunned our health care for nothing. And you will have your single payer some day...you will rue the day you wanted it.

8/9/2012 6:37:03 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
17tigers
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Quote from savonagirl:
I feel that a.country as great as Americans claim they are.should leave millions of their own citizens uncared for if they fall ill.

Especially as.they brag about helping sick people elsewhere in the world.

Yes that IS something to be proud of.


We have a net... its called county hospitals, they cannot refuse anyone.

8/9/2012 9:40:22 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
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"""We have a net... its called county hospitals, they cannot refuse anyone.""

Ohhh I get it now. If your very poor or on welfare go to the hospital. No bill.

If your working class poor and you own a very meager home and you go to the hospital you get a bill. If you can't afford insurance you either file bankruptcy or re mortgage your meager home.

However your mortgage is already probably under water. Poor fecker that working class guy.

So when you leave the hospital and your really really poor or on welfare and you need prescriptions to get better noooooo problem.

However if your that same working poor fecker you are just going to have to pray you don't get an infection or staff or bleed to death cause you can't afford insurance so you probably can't afford the medication to get better.

Oh well one less fecker that obamacare taxes doesn't have to may for.

So yea I get it. If your really wealthy or really poor you get medical prescriptions and a pace maker or what ever else without having to file bankruptcy. If your working poor tough crap.

I think i would be getting on that welfare line.

8/9/2012 9:49:52 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
hunter12gauge
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Quote from winxi:
Wrong. Not everyone has healthcare. Around 18% of the population is without health insurance.
Hey Winxi......... Big difference between healthcare,and health insurance. YOU liberals use those terms interchangeably,NOT so! EVERYONE has access to healthcare.....IT'S the LAW. Only people of means have "health insurance". get your FACTS straight!

8/9/2012 9:54:14 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jcl26726
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Romney is going to repeal obamacare. Its not an issue.

8/9/2012 10:07:59 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
tom72987
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You think that ni99er cares?

8/9/2012 10:26:55 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
fuzzyion
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Quote from hunter12gauge:
Hey Winxi......... Big difference between healthcare,and health insurance. YOU liberals use those terms interchangeably,NOT so! EVERYONE has access to healthcare.....IT'S the LAW. Only people of means have "health insurance". get your FACTS straight!


Agreed, get your facts straight, having access to Emergency Care is not health care.

health care also health·care (hlthkâr)
n.
The prevention, treatment, and management of illness and the preservation of mental and physical well-being through the services offered by the medical and allied health professions.

8/9/2012 10:40:56 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
hunter12gauge
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@ fuzzion........ Semantics,that's all your points proves. What a d*ckhead! Emergency care,healthcare........ Care IS care dumbass,insurance is a whole different animal.WTF?

8/9/2012 10:51:11 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

italiano72
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Quote from jcl26726:
Romney is going to repeal obamacare. Its not an issue.


Seems like Obama is ahead of Romney ... Looks like Romney has lost more points when CNN reported it today .... Oh well wishful thinking on your side ....

8/9/2012 10:58:12 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
isidoros1
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savonagirl

If my memory serves me right 30 million was the touted number when Obama pushed his health care plan now it's still 30 million.

So maybe the answer is kick the 12 million plus illegals out of the country,bring the factory jobs back to America and start charging Canada a tariff for importing durable goods into the country that are produced by Canadians that are working for American owned companies.

Maybe we could send a bill to Mexico for feeding half of their population that way we could afford to cover those 30 million?

8/9/2012 11:05:21 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
fuzzyion
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Quote from hunter12gauge:
@ fuzzion........ Semantics,that's all your points proves. What a d*ckhead! Emergency care,healthcare........ Care IS care dumbass,insurance is a whole different animal.WTF?


Your the one calling people on definition and you cannot even get this one right.

Emergency medicine is a medical specialty in which physicians (DOs and MDs) care for patients with acute illnesses or injuries which require immediate medical attention. While not usually providing long-term or continuing care, emergency medicine physicians diagnose a variety of illnesses and undertake acute interventions to resuscitate and stabilize patients. Emergency medicine physicians practice in hospital emergency departments, in pre-hospital settings via emergency medical services, other locations where initial medical treatment of illness takes place, and recently the intensive-care unit. Just as clinicians operate by immediacy rules under large emergency systems, emergency practitioners aim to diagnose emergent conditions and stabilize the patient for definitive care.

Yes insurance is neither Emergency Care nor Health care it is a policy designed to help people afford whatever care is agreed to be covered. But your the one that said everyone has health care coverage I was just calling you on your statement. Not my fault you seem to be wrong all the time.

8/9/2012 11:19:40 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

winxi
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Quote from 17tigers:
We have a net... its called county hospitals, they cannot refuse anyone.


What is a "county hospital"? My city doesn't have a county hospital.

8/9/2012 11:25:29 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
hunter12gauge
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Quote from winxi:
What is a "county hospital"? My city doesn't have a county hospital.
It's a Canadian thing. Check out Savons' post in this thread.

8/9/2012 11:27:44 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
pissssed
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Quote from savonagirl:
I feel that a.country as great as Americans claim they are.should leave millions of their own citizens uncared for if they fall ill.

Especially as.they brag about helping sick people elsewhere in the world.

Yes that IS something to be proud of.



Just FYI ... NO one in America has EVER gone without healthcare !!

If they haven't been able to pay ... tax payer's alway's have !!

It's been that way for as long as I have been within the healthcare world ..

8/9/2012 11:31:24 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

winxi
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Health care is not emergency room care.

8/9/2012 11:37:20 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
hunter12gauge
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Quote from winxi:
Health care is not emergency room care.
Then "surgery" isn't healthcare either,right? Just read that dumbasses definition posted in this thread by fuzzion.

8/9/2012 11:51:04 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
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"""Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies
HEALTH INSURANCE


June 05, 2009|By Theresa Tamkins

This year, an estimated 1.5 million Americans will declare bankruptcy. Many people may chalk up that misfortune to overspending or a lavish lifestyle, but a new study suggests that more than 60 percent of people who go bankrupt are actually capsized by medical bills.

Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine."""

8/9/2012 11:57:13 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

newstart49
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Bet no one saw this coming at them......

Its now the biggest tax hike ever on the American people and then this....

WoW hang on people.....Its just getting started ....And if Obama is elected I will bet whatever of my money is left over that there will be even more tax hikes coming for whats left of the American Middle class...

8/10/2012 12:08:21 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

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8/10/2012 8:02:29 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
isidoros1
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Let me get this straight, people expect the Federal Government to fix health care when it was the Federal Government that screwed it up in the first place.

We can start with the FDA the strong arm of Congress, layer after layer of regulations which cost drug companies billions of dollars all aimed at protecting us yet people die from ill effects of medications then lawyers come into the picture and sue the drug companies for millions of dollars. Why not sue the FDA they were the one that approved the drug but better yet let’s not allow anyone to be sued let’s hold people accountable for reading the damn warnings about the possible side effects.

Then for the common cold or some other minor illness people are forced to see a doctor the doctor spends about 15 minutes with you 10 of which is talking about the weather then charges your insurance company a hefty fee then writes you a prescription. In Europe you go straight to see the druggists he/she prescribes the medication, not a doctor. That is much faster and a heck of a lot cheaper.


The list goes on layer after layer of government regulations that drive up the costs of health care.

8/10/2012 9:38:41 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

lobo_corazon
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Quote from jokethem:
everyone has health care lady. there is medicare, medicad, private insurance, healthcare through the welfare system and no hospital can turn a person away.

It sounds like you don't understand the term "healthcare".

Everyone in the US has some access to healthcare, in certain situations (ex. they get in a car accident), although it might well bankrupt them after the fact when the bills come due.

If you get cancer or some other severe chronic condition, and happen to be one of the 54 million or so without private insurance, you are SOL in the US - Unlike anywhere else in the developed world.

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For the OP - It sounds like your complaint is that Obamacare doesn't do enough for illegals, since from your numbers most of the people you are counting are illegal immigrants.

Why not just crack down on the Americans who lure those illegals in with offers of employment, and be rid of that problem?



[Edited 8/10/2012 9:40:48 AM ]

8/10/2012 9:50:30 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

lobo_corazon
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Quote from isidoros1:
Let me get this straight, people expect the Federal Government to fix health care when it was the Federal Government that screwed it up in the first place.

We can start with the FDA the strong arm of Congress, layer after layer of regulations which cost drug companies billions of dollars all aimed at protecting us yet people die from ill effects of medications then lawyers come into the picture and sue the drug companies for millions of dollars. Why not sue the FDA they were the one that approved the drug but better yet let’s not allow anyone to be sued let’s hold people accountable for reading the damn warnings about the possible side effects.

Then for the common cold or some other minor illness people are forced to see a doctor the doctor spends about 15 minutes with you 10 of which is talking about the weather then charges your insurance company a hefty fee then writes you a prescription. In Europe you go straight to see the druggists he/she prescribes the medication, not a doctor. That is much faster and a heck of a lot cheaper.

The list goes on layer after layer of government regulations that drive up the costs of health care.

No. The costs are driven up by the layer upon layer of corporatist profiteers. HMOs, HMO shareholders, Hospital owners, their shareholders, insurance companies, their shareholders, legions of malpractice lawyers, and so on. Every one of those layers has to get paid.

In Canada, Europe, and the rest of the developed world, we have almost none of those profiteer costs! Healthcare is a service, not a for-profit enterprise in general. That's why our total healthcare cost per person is half what you pay.

This is incredibly simple to perceive - Don't allow those corporatists to get you all spun around until you can't see what's right in front of your face. Follow the money!

Amazingly, the healthcare industry makes up 10% of the total GDP of the United States. Isn't that incredible? They are farming you.

Bonus obvious point - Suing the FDA would be completely counter to the interests of the taxpayers. What would the point be? They would be paying the settlement with your money, so why would they care?

That is why Canada doesn't have your malpractice lawyer problem. Lawsuits against the government are only allowed in rare circumstances, because everyone knows they can't have any deterrent effect - It's not the government's money.



[Edited 8/10/2012 9:51:53 AM ]

8/10/2012 10:14:06 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
isidoros1
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lobo_corazon


You missed half of what I wrote so go back and read it again.

The insurance companies profit sure they do if there is no profit then there is no mission. Doctor’s and drug companies profit lawyers profit while Hospitals hang on year to year trying to make ends meet. The population suffers by having to pay the enormous costs associated with health care so what can we do?

First we review the FDA regulations are they even effective, we cut out the middle man by allowing people to see their druggists for medication for simple illnesses instead of seeing a doctor first. Let the doctor’s deal with the more serious cases.

We put a stop to the class action lawsuits each first must be reviewed by a Congressional Board. As much as I hate to say it we need to regulate the insurance companies.

You don’t need a government health care plan all we need is to streamline the current system and remove the non value added activities.

8/10/2012 10:48:22 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
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"""Half of Americans cannot afford prescribed medications
By Tom Eley
28 September 2011
A new study by Consumer Reports has documented a dramatic increase in the number of Americans forgoing needed medications and health care for financial reasons.
The Consumer Reports National Research Center found that over the last year nearly half of all Americans (49 percent) who were prescribed medication and other health procedures reported holding back for financial reasons, up from 39 percent a year earlier.
Coming on the heels of census data showing a sharp increase in the ranks of the uninsured to 49.9 million, the Consumer Reports survey is yet another exposure of the right-wing character of the Obama administration’s health care “reform,” which will do nothing to rein in health care costs. More than one-and-one-half years after its passage, access to health care has become more financially onerous.
The study found that among the 49 percent of respondents who reported avoiding recommended health care, 28 percent put their own health at significant risk in order to save money, including 16 percent who did not fill a prescription, 13 percent who took expired medication, 12 percent who skipped scheduled doses without medical consultation, 8 percent who took to cutting pills in half, and 4 percent who reported doubling up on medication with someone else.
Another 21 percent reported delaying a doctor’s visit, and 17 percent delayed a prescribed medical procedure. Fourteen percent refused prescribed medical tests.
The study found a decline in average household out-of-pocket expenditure on drugs from $68 two years ago to $59. Consumer Reports attributed this to “household budget constraints.”
“The rising percentage of people putting off health care makes us wonder if we are really done with the recession,” said Dr. John Santa, a physician with Consumer Reports’ Health Ratings Center. “This is one of the most sensitive barometers of how people are coping with the financial pressures.”
The study offers a window on a vast public health catastrophe. According to one estimate, about half of all Americans, 49 percent, currently take a prescription drug. Consumer Reports data suggests that half of this category, again 49 percent, forgo needed medical treatment due to cost. Thus roughly a quarter of the population, 75 million people, are not complying with medical advice for financial reasons.
The consequences of this are doubly concentrated on the working class and poor because these sections of the population both most need and can least afford medical treatment: consumers earning less than $40,000 and those over the age of 65 years are the demographics that are prescribed the most medications, at 5.7 per consumer and 5.5 per consumer, respectively.
The Consumer Reports study comes after an August survey by the Commonwealth Fund, which found that nearly 75 percent of people who lost health insurance when they recently lost their jobs were forced to skip treatment or medication because of cost. In April, the Kaiser Family Foundation released a study revealing that 33 percent of Americans skipped dental care the previous year because they could not afford it. In 2003, the US surgeon general reported that 108 million Americans had no dental insurance; the number is certainly far higher now.
“People want to believe there’s a safety net that catches all of these people, and there isn’t,” said Dr. Glenn Stream, president-elect of the American Academy of Family Physicians.
Indeed, tens of thousands of people die each year in the US for lack of health care. In 2009 the American Journal of Public Health estimated that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. This is about 12 times the number of Americans killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, whose deaths have been used to justify trillions of dollars in spending on wars and the military. In 2010 the health care advocacy group Families USA predicted that, over the coming decade, as many as 275,000 Americans will die for lack of health care coverage.
One recent example of the tragic results of this crisis is the death of 24-year-old Kyle Willis of Cincinnati. Willis’s wisdom tooth started to cause discomfort in mid-August. The pain and swelling became so severe that he had to go to the emergency room, where he was prescribed antibiotics and medications. Willis, who was unemployed and had no health insurance, could not afford both, and so chose the pain medications for relief.
The infection spread to Willis’s brain and killed him on August 30. The aspiring paralegal left behind a six-year-old daughter.
“When people are unemployed or don’t have insurance, where do they go? What do they do?” asked Dr. Irvin Silverstein, a dentist at the University of California at San Diego, commenting on Willis’s death. “People end up dying, and these are the most treatable, preventable diseases in the world.”
“[Willis] might as well have been living in 1927,” said Dr. Jim Jirjis,
director of general internal medicine at Vanderbilt University. “All of the advances we’ve made in medicine today and are proud of, for people who don’t have coverage, you might as well never have developed those.”
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8/10/2012 11:05:27 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
isidoros1
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I went for a long time without health insurance just because I was healthy and never needed it so why spend the money. I did carry minimal coverage for large scale emergencies.

A lot of those as being classified as uninsured are healthy college students and people between jobs of 30 days or less. We are also about ready to add over 800,000 people to this by allowing the illegal’s to stay. Also there are a lot of illegal immigrants that are classified as citizens that made it on this list. We just don’t know how many.

Health care costs were already on the rise Obama Care pushed it over the edge.

8/10/2012 11:21:58 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

starfox22
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Quote from newstart49:


Perfect cartoon. Perhaps someday in the distant future there will actually be a Democrat or Left wing Liberal that will actually read the bill. Maybe, I wouldn't hold my breath.

And, when they read the bill they may be shocked to learn that Obamacare is not insurance, it is not a healthcare plan, it does not insure anyone. I repeat, it does not insure ANYONE. It is a set of rules and regulations that require private companies, and citizens to comply or face fines or imprisonment. It you cannot afford, or chose not to afford insurance you will not be covered, you will be fined. That stupid commercial about the guy who's wife died has many liberals making statements under the belief that Obamacare would have saved her. How stupid is that? It would not have made any difference in her outcome.

There is a very big reason that we have not heard from the department of Health Services with clarification on many of the nearly unreadable sections of this bill. It is an election year and they KNOW that when the general public gets a full whiff of this bill they will be angry.

8/10/2012 11:32:12 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
paulrobeson
Vancouver, WA
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Over 50% of out health care expenses are graft, overemployment, outrageous salaries for the health care workers, ludicrous financial awards for attorneys and needlessly expensive emergency rooms.

What to do. 1/3 of all healthcare money goes into paperwork. can we afford to have 4 women doing the work of two? Do we really need to pay more than 5 times the adjusted cost of a physical today so that so many hospital workers can live in splendor?

Why are the trial lawyers making millions off of class action suits when the plaintiffs get chump change. threats of lawsuits have made drs run unnecessary tests in order to cover their asses. estimates of 1/4 to 1/3 of all tests are liability tests. Since drs often have a piece of the labs, they are being double-rewarded. Etc

This program is sold as a complete LIE. obsama knows that it can't work but that's what he is counting on. obsama wants to destroy America so his muslim compadres can take over. his "health care plan" will break the bank. Health care rationing will be necessary at levels unseen in this country's history. the DEATH PANELS will be in full force. Guess who will get coverage and who will be left to die? Those selected for death will be overwhelmingly White males! The poor whites that have been denied jobs due to their skin color and gender will be denied health care for the same reasons.

8/10/2012 11:59:01 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
Over 2,000 Posts (3,653)
Waterdown, ON
58, joined Aug. 2012


Healthy until an accident, healthy until cancer strikes. Everyone is healthy until they get sick.

Don't you see the irony of that statement you made?

8/10/2012 12:15:27 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

newstart49
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,308)
Umatilla, OR
68, joined Jun. 2010


Quote from savonagirl:
"""Half of Americans cannot afford prescribed medications
By Tom Eley


You know there are many stories like this....Most of them would not even come close to not happening under Obamacare......


The time I got an antibiotic at Wal-Mart it was $4......Same for the pain med.....So $8 for generic meds ...and it's about the same at many pharmacies. (Stop with the crazy Horror stories).

Before you condemn the system, might want to look at the person and the overall situation with young people today....
Look at the person ....What were his preventative habits...Did he brush often...Most homeless shelters and/or clinics will give out free toothbrushes, and floss....(but they aren't really that expensive).A box of soda makes good toothpaste and is really cheap.

What were the other major expenses that prevented him from getting care...Were they the usual like rent utilities and etc or was were his monthly bills full of frills...
Mind you, we all need to have some extras here and there but when you are spending a good % of your salary on cell phones, clothes, booze, movies and etc....then one does not have many reasons to complain about not having money for doctors and/or insurance.....

H3LL how often do we hear about these young minimum wage workers running up 200 to 300 a month cell phone bills, H3LL that's a lot of money when you only making 7 or 8 an hour.

You see that is a lot of the problem with our society now a days is they want all the frills without all the other stuff....Most people under the age of about 35 would and do forgo health insurance and medical/dental checkups because they would rather have other niceties in life...Nicer more expensive cars, more expensive shoes, expensive cell phones and etc....

So now it's now down we have to all cut back for those who won't WAIT A Minute...

8/10/2012 12:22:27 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
savonagirl
Over 2,000 Posts (3,653)
Waterdown, ON
58, joined Aug. 2012


Newstart your using the very poor as example, they are the ones who have always had health care and prescriptions paid for by your taxes.

Don't you know the majority of Americans are not on welfare, called the working poor.

Once upon a time they use to be middle class. Also seniors who just barely get by on their pensions that they scrimped and saved all their lives.

But oh well as long as it isn't you who cares.

Justify anything.

8/10/2012 12:27:29 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

lobo_corazon
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (38,325)
Orleans, ON
48, joined May. 2008


Quote from starfox22:
Perfect cartoon. Perhaps someday in the distant future there will actually be a Democrat or Left wing Liberal that will actually read the bill. Maybe, I wouldn't hold my breath.

And, when they read the bill they may be shocked to learn that Obamacare is not insurance, it is not a healthcare plan, it does not insure anyone. I repeat, it does not insure ANYONE. It is a set of rules and regulations that require private companies, and citizens to comply or face fines or imprisonment. It you cannot afford, or chose not to afford insurance you will not be covered, you will be fined. That stupid commercial about the guy who's wife died has many liberals making statements under the belief that Obamacare would have saved her. How stupid is that? It would not have made any difference in her outcome.

There is a very big reason that we have not heard from the department of Health Services with clarification on many of the nearly unreadable sections of this bill. It is an election year and they KNOW that when the general public gets a full whiff of this bill they will be angry.

You seem deeply confused, but I guess that makes sense given your right-wing position.

Could you explain with your little chart why the rest of the developed world, with our single-payer government healthcare plans, pay half as much as you do for healthcare and have everyone covered with no fear of not being able to afford care or being bankrupted by it, and no question of being uninsurable due to being sick?

8/10/2012 12:32:06 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

lobo_corazon
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (38,325)
Orleans, ON
48, joined May. 2008


Quote from isidoros1:
You don’t need a government health care plan all we need is to streamline the current system and remove the non value added activities.

Non-value-added activities, like:
- stock market investment/speculation
- HMOs
- Health Insurance
- Malpractice Insurance
- Lawyers

Take those non-care-providing activities away, and what you'll be left with will be very like Canada's healthcare system - And you'll save about half of what you've been paying!


8/10/2012 12:44:10 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

newstart49
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Umatilla, OR
68, joined Jun. 2010


Quote from savonagirl:
Newstart your using the very poor as example, they are the ones who have always had health care and prescriptions paid for by your taxes.

Don't you know the majority of Americans are not on welfare, called the working poor.

Once upon a time they use to be middle class. Also seniors who just barely get by on their pensions that they scrimped and saved all their lives.

But oh well as long as it isn't you who cares.

Justify anything.


Did you see that last bit....Those on minumum wage are the working poor....

You dont have to have welfare to get generic prescriptions from Walmart, Safeway, and etc....(Most doctors will give you samples if you ask and tell them you dont have the $$$)



Yet a good % of the problem with them is they want all the frills.....They want to party in nice clothes, shoes, cars and phones.....

I can remember as a young working parent movies and a night out were luxuries. My kids didn't wear the name brands, but they were dressed nicely, fed and a roof kept over their head. They didnt have a private telephone line to their room, or a tv in their room...

Look at even what you call the working poor and I will make a bet that there is than one TV, cellphone and other eletronic devices in the home.

In today's world its movies at least once a week, cell phones for every kid, $100 tennis shoes for the kids and the list goes on.....
Then look at the internet expense, cable expense, and fast food expenses...Those are luxuries...

H3LL it is me that has cut back...and many others my age and older have cut back....

Yet the younger generation are blowing their paychecks faster than they can get them. Racking up payday loans and racking up credit cards as fast as they can.

8/10/2012 12:48:23 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jokethem
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Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012


Quote from winxi:
What is a "county hospital"? My city doesn't have a county hospital.



duh, it is because you live in one of the largest midwest towns. County hospitals are like found out in counties which don't have the size town as St L.

8/10/2012 12:56:55 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
richardaaa
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Traverse City, MI
67, joined Jun. 2012


Quote from poooochy:
what a f**king idiot.


All the right wingers are f**king idiots. Every damned one!

8/10/2012 1:31:33 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
paulrobeson
Vancouver, WA
56, joined Aug. 2012


What hi-brow comments from the mental midgets of the far left.

Ok little boys, why don't you two put your heads together and explain how adding over 20 million people to health care isn't going to cost any more money!! explain how you are going to cut costs with our system of unions, liberal juries awarding 8 figures for a widow of an 84 yo, unnecessary tests run to cover asses.

Those trial lawyers are HEAVY Democratic contributors. Do you really think that the necessary cap on awards will be embraced by them?

Are the hospitals going to cut salaries to a level consistent with other industries peers? Those hospitals are HEAVY Democratic contributors. they are off-limits as well.

Why does a pill cost 1/3 less in Windsor than it does in Detroit? With duty, they should be more expensive!

The insurance industry has a huge disparity between the huge number of female employees vs a dearth of male employees. think that those women are going to give up their cushy jobs without a fight?

let's see some numbers instead of stupid comments. a call to ALL liberals. Bring a fact, your calculators and any remaining vestiges of integrity and LET'S ROCK!



8/10/2012 1:38:26 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
anevilgenius
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,781)
Adrian, MI
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Quote from poooochy:
what a f**king idiot.


True story!

8/10/2012 3:47:11 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

lobo_corazon
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (38,325)
Orleans, ON
48, joined May. 2008


I'm still waiting for the OP to explain why he's so concerned about illegal immigrants being uninsured.




[Edited 8/10/2012 3:47:23 PM ]

8/10/2012 11:36:24 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
isidoros1
Cincinnati, OH
58, joined Jul. 2012


savonagirl
Healthy until an accident, healthy until cancer strikes. Everyone is healthy until they get sick. Don't you see the irony of that statement you made?



When I was in college I never gave it a second thought about getting sick and never had health insurance until my first job. Before that I did carry minimal coverage to help if something major did happen.

When I lost my job at the start of the recession I picked up COBRA for one month but at $800 a month they could keep it so I dropped it for a few months until I found another job. I would be dammed before handing over $800 a month for coverage.

What helps drive up health care costs are the people that grew up on welfare that run to the emergency rooms every time they sneeze. Or are doping babies every nine months. We also have the ever growing population of illegal’s that end up in the emergency rooms and receive medical care at no cost. It seemed rather easy for Congress a few years ago to spend $1 billion to help defray the costs of illegal’s receiving care at hospitals and not paying.

8/11/2012 9:24:40 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

lobo_corazon
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (38,325)
Orleans, ON
48, joined May. 2008


Quote from isidoros1:
What helps drive up health care costs are the people that grew up on welfare that run to the emergency rooms every time they sneeze. Or are doping babies every nine months. We also have the ever growing population of illegal’s that end up in the emergency rooms and receive medical care at no cost. It seemed rather easy for Congress a few years ago to spend $1 billion to help defray the costs of illegal’s receiving care at hospitals and not paying.

Why must you be so willfully ignorant of what is right in front of your face?

What drives up the cost is all of the profiteer middlemen who have to be paid before a dime actually goes to the hospital or medical staff who actually provided you with care. For every dollar of your money that goes to pay for care, another dollar goes in to the pockets of lawyers, CEOs, healthcare beauracracy, HMOs, Big Insurance, Wall Street, and legions of shareholders investing in all of the above.

How can anyone in their right mind look at that setup and say "Man, that looks perfectly efficient - The extra cost must be the fault of the welfare moms who take their snot-nosed kids to the ER!"

Do you know why they go to the ER? Because your abomination of a "healthcare" system doesn't give them access to a family doctor, obviously. Everyone else around the developed world has access to family doctors and/or clinics that are more appropriate places for "sniffles"... And more importantly, we're encouraged to have an ongoing relationship with our doctor to be proactive about our health instead of waiting until a heart attack to seek care (and you may not realise that the longer you wait the more expensive it is to fix the problem.)

8/15/2012 5:39:46 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

texasproud52
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,870)
Dallas, TX
56, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from lobo_corazon:
I'm still waiting for the OP to explain why he's so concerned about illegal immigrants being uninsured.
Moreover, under Obamacare, 8 percent of legal U.S. residents will remain without health insurance in 2022, according to CBO. You obviously did not read the op.

8/15/2012 10:33:24 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
bigrandy72
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (27,239)
Ceres, CA
57, joined Mar. 2010


Quote from jokethem:
duh, it is because you live in one of the largest midwest towns. County hospitals are like found out in counties which don't have the size town as St L.




she's another dolt who has a bigger mouth than their booty can carry

8/15/2012 10:34:29 AMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
jjay1970
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (41,468)
Syracuse, NY
46, joined Oct. 2011


Yeah, we should go with a one payer system. Cover everyone.

8/15/2012 3:50:21 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 

starfox22
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Castle Rock, CO
60, joined Jan. 2009


Quote from lobo_corazon:
You seem deeply confused, but I guess that makes sense given your right-wing position.

Could you explain with your little chart why the rest of the developed world, with our single-payer government healthcare plans, pay half as much as you do for healthcare and have everyone covered with no fear of not being able to afford care or being bankrupted by it, and no question of being uninsurable due to being sick?


Why yes I can. Without the US Healthcare system Canada and the rest of the world would not have single payor systems, or at least they wouldn't have hardly any access at all to drug and or medical technology. It is because we have a profit driven system that billions of dollars are spent on research and development of drugs, and medical technology. When was the last time something of medical significance came out of Canada? All those countries with single payor systems just wait until the good old US of A invents something then they piggy back without any of the development costs. Wasn't it in England recently where women were giving birth in stairwells because there were no available beds? Why yes it was.

I wonder why in the U.S. some of our largest medical facilities are located in Northern border states, could it be all those cash paying customers escaping the long waits up there in Canada, why yes it is.

If you lived in any country in the world and you needed a serious heart operation and you could choose anywhere in the world to get the operation, would you choose England, France, Germany, Canada, go ahead and lie but you would choose the United States.

8/15/2012 5:52:26 PMCBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured 
akindler
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,226)
Salem, OR
64, joined Feb. 2012


Which is still FAR better than leaving 240 million uninsured, as Romney would do.