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11/10/2014 8:06:13 AMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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has anyone here ever read the bible? has anyone here studied the bible? have you really studied the books of Daniel and revelation? have you searched history and really looked at the prophecies in the bible? why would the desciples risk everything for a myth? i encourage you to really take a look and see


because i know God is real and i know Jesus died and arose again. he died for me and he died for you whether you believe or not. and he is coming in the clouds of heaven a second time very soon

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11/10/2014 8:35:05 AMThe bible is real 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from wayn49:
has anyone here ever read the bible? has anyone here studied the bible?
Yes

have you really studied the books of Daniel and revelation? have you searched history and really looked at the prophecies in the bible?
People having hallucinations and other psychosis prophesize their own present condition and future but also indirectly prophesize the future rants by the superstitious and ignorant who consider such mental maladies as gifts from an imaginary being.


why would the desciples risk everything for a myth? i encourage you to really take a look and see
For the same reason current believers in superstitions and other religious delusions do. The following statement is proof.

because i know God is real and i know Jesus died and arose again. he died for me and he died for you whether you believe or not. and he is coming in the clouds of heaven a second time very soon


To any rational mind such a statement is meaningless gibberish based on no evidence and facts. There is one simple fact however, that religious fanatics can not cope with actual facts.

11/10/2014 9:20:51 AMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Yes, studied it all many times, including the shit canned from the Canon books.
This leads me to believe,at best, that it's a crock of shit , without the shit canned books.
Then, it's still a matter of individual perception in interpreting it all.
It's why I always say, there are as many non believers, religions, traditions , and spiritualities as there are humans on the face of the earth. Which last time I checked are over 7 billion!!

11/10/2014 12:17:57 PMThe bible is real 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Yes, studied it all many times, including the shit canned from the Canon books.


Are you referring to the gnostic textd and other books as the shit canned banned books? Yeah, as with many novels there are many attempts to write a book. So it seemed that out of the many versions of the Jesus myth one was chosen to become official. It didn't appear that a Jesus having a family and dying from old age was the story they wanted to go with.

This leads me to believe,at best, that it's a crock of shit , without the shit canned books.
Well, even the other versions are a crock of shit too but maybe a different and better kind of shit. For me, I couldn't give a shit either way because all of it is bullshit.


Then, it's still a matter of individual perception in interpreting it all.
It's why I always say, there are as many non believers, religions, traditions , and spiritualities as there are humans on the face of the earth. Which last time I checked are over 7 billion!!
True, therefore there are 7 billion gods. There are as many gods as there are people because all gods are created in the image and likeness of their creator.



[Edited 11/10/2014 12:18:33 PM ]

11/10/2014 12:46:15 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Right!!,

11/10/2014 1:10:57 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
True, therefore there are 7 billion gods. There are as many gods as there are people because all gods are created in the image and likeness of their creator.




there are many false gods but only one true God.


i can show you in history with the bible prophecies that have come to pass right on time. no other book then the bible has been more accurate then the bible.


if you were the desciples why would risk your life for something that is not real? the old testament prophecied that Jesus was coming....be back

11/10/2014 1:22:22 PMThe bible is real 

olderthandirt20
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If the bible is so real and truthful why are there so many christians who have different interpretations, why are there so many sects in christianity?
If god is so powerful and all knowing why didn't he make the bible be written clearly and to the point? Why does the bible contradict itself so many times?
Why would an all knowing god make so many mistakes?

11/10/2014 1:38:20 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Because, IMO, there isn't this all knowing Gawd, there's simply energy. Misunderstood energy at best especially by Christians, duped by such a book as the bible.

11/10/2014 1:38:49 PMThe bible is real 

furchizedek
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Have you ever read any serious bible scholarship, wayn? Here's some:

"Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why"
"Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them)"
"Forged: Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are"
"God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question--Why We Suffer"

-by Bart D. Ehrman.

You can get each of the above for about $10 apiece. Very easy reading, chuck full of scholarly knowledge. You owe it to yourself to get out of the insulated box you're in and get some other views.

Quote from wayn49:
has anyone here ever read the bible? has anyone here studied the bible? have you really studied the books of Daniel and revelation? have you searched history and really looked at the prophecies in the bible? why would the desciples risk everything for a myth? i encourage you to really take a look and see because i know God is real and i know Jesus died and arose again. he died for me and he died for you whether you believe or not. and he is coming in the clouds of heaven a second time very soon


11/10/2014 1:52:05 PMThe bible is real 

furchizedek
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Quote from wayn49:
there are many false gods but only one true God.


i can show you in history with the bible prophecies that have come to pass right on time. no other book then the bible has been more accurate then the bible.


No, you probably can't.

The writings of the prophets are among the most misunderstood parts of the Bible today, in no small measure because they are commonly read out of context." Many people today, especially conservative Christians, read the prophets as if they were crystal-ball gazers predicting events that are yet to transpire in our own time, more than two thousand years removed from when the prophets were actually speaking. This is a completely egocentric approach to the Bible (it's all about me!). But the biblical writers had their own contexts and, as a result, their own agendas. And those contexts and agendas are not ours. The prophets were not concerned about us; they were concerned about themselves and the people of God living in their own time. It is no wonder that most people who read the prophets this way (they've predicted the conflict in the Middle East! they foresaw Saddam Hussein! they tell us about Armageddon!) simply choose, to read one or another verse or passage in isolation, and do not read the prophets themselves in their entirety. When the prophets are read from beginning to end, it is clear that they are writing for their-own times. They often, in, fact, tell us exactly when they were writing-for example, under what king(s)-so that their readers can understand the historical situation they were so intent on addressing.

Excerpt from "God's Problem" by Bart Ehrman


if you were the desciples why would risk your life for something that is not real?


People risk their lives for wrong things all the time. People believe wrong things are true, all of the time. I suggest you stop using the word "real" when the proper word is "true."

the old testament prophecied that Jesus was coming....be back


No it doesn't. Contact a teacher of Judaism, a Rabbi, and ask him. It's their scriptures. And their "Messiah" is not Jesus. (That doesn't mean that Jesus can't be the "Son of God," but "Son of God" is not what "Messiah" means.) How is it that Christians think they know more about the Jewish scriptures than the Jews? First they take the Jewish scriptures for their own and then they presume to teach the Jews what the Jewish scriptures mean.

11/10/2014 1:52:59 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Yes, Furch I agree, folks should at least educate themselves, so at least they can debate as an informed person!

11/10/2014 1:57:24 PMThe bible is real 
clarencec
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Other good books by Bart Ehrman are "Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millenium" in which Ehrman sets out the leading view among critical NT scholars of what Jesus actually represented and preached, and "How Jesus Became God" which covers how a Galilean apocalyptic prophet came to be thought of by his followers as a divine being synonymous with God himself. I'm reading that one at prez. It's good.

11/10/2014 4:33:17 PMThe bible is real 

duchessa
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Quote from wayn49:
there are many false gods but only one true God.



Stephen Roberts:

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

11/10/2014 4:39:52 PMThe bible is real 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from wayn49:
there are many false gods but only one true God.
Your personal religious delusions doesn't prove anything but your lack of facts.

i can show you in history with the bible prophecies that have come to pass right on time. no other book then the bible has been more accurate then the bible.
Again, your personal religious delusions doesn't prove anything but your lack of facts.

if you were the desciples why would risk your life for something that is not real? the old testament prophecied that Jesus was coming....be back

Again and again, your personal religious delusions doesn't prove anything but your lack of facts.


So where are the facts? If you had facts you would need blind faith.

11/10/2014 4:47:07 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Quote from clarencec:
Other good books by Bart Ehrman are "Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millenium" in which Ehrman sets out the leading view among critical NT scholars of what Jesus actually represented and preached, and "How Jesus Became God" which covers how a Galilean apocalyptic prophet came to be thought of by his followers as a divine being synonymous with God himself. I'm reading that one at prez. It's good.


WOW, centerfolds
I have seen that guy before!! Just today

11/10/2014 4:47:11 PMThe bible is real 

maxwalbridge
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Because, IMO, there isn't this all knowing Gawd, there's simply energy. Misunderstood energy at best especially by Christians, duped by such a book as the bible.


Energy is God. It's all capable, and can be anything. It's not quite the ancestor of all which is, but it is seriously ancient.

11/10/2014 7:01:09 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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if any one would like to watch a live program on landmarks of prophecy just type in that name and you can watch it live on some nights. it will last till november the 22 i believe. no meeting tonight but it comes back on tuesday night at 8 pm live. that is 8 pm central time my time.

11/10/2014 7:09:35 PMThe bible is real 
clarencec
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Quote from wayn49:
has anyone here ever read the bible? has anyone here studied the bible? have you really studied the books of Daniel and revelation? have you searched history and really looked at the prophecies in the bible? why would the desciples risk everything for a myth? i encourage you to really take a look and see

I read the Bible from end to end for the first time a couple years ago, and studied it to an extent by reading some critical scholarship. I know enough to realize that Christian fundamentalist interpretations of the books of Daniel and Revelation misrepresent what those books are really about. The book of Daniel for instance, was only completed in the 2nd century BCE and isn't about Jesus, but concerns Jewish fables, history and apocalyptic hopes during the Hellenistic period. Walt made a thread on the subject here where these matters were discussed:

http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1334797.htm

Revelation is a product of the apocalyptic mindset that existed among Jewish and early Christian writers in the 1st century. It's about the overthrow of Rome and God's enemies and the establishment of heavenly rule on Earth - or a renewed Earth, if the passage about a new heaven and a new Earth is meant to be taken literally. There were other apocalypses written in the same period. They all use a similar literary device of human authors receiving visions from God that are interpreted for them by angels. Modern American fundamentalist Christians are fond of interpreting Revelation as being all about their country's internal political affairs, even though Americans represent only about 5% of world population.

because i know God is real and i know Jesus died and arose again. he died for me and he died for you whether you believe or not. and he is coming in the clouds of heaven a second time very soon

Those are faith positions, to which you are welcome, but I believe it far more likely that Jesus died and stayed dead, following which early Christian authors created the doctrine of Jesus dying for the sins of Israel/ humanity in general as a way of coping with his unexpected demise and continuing the Jesus movement indefinitely. Jesus's prediction of the coming of the Son of Man appears to have been about God sending a cosmic judge from heaven and not Jesus himself. The interpretation of Jesus returning on the clouds of heaven is a later invention after Christians had conflated Jesus with the cosmic judge figure. It's all vague what's supposed to happen anyway because Jesus' vision of God's will being done "in Earth as it is in heaven" is replaced in the Gospel of John by Christians entering eternal life in the here and now (John 11:26). I guess by the time John was written circa 95CE it had become evident that the kingdom of heaven on Earth wasn't going to arrive any time soon.



[Edited 11/10/2014 7:11:44 PM ]

11/10/2014 7:32:19 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Excellent posting!!

11/10/2014 7:33:29 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Excellent posting!!



no its only his belief and Jesus is alive

11/10/2014 8:08:43 PMThe bible is real 

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no its only his belief and Jesus is alive




11/10/2014 8:16:34 PMThe bible is real 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from wayn49:
no its only his belief and Jesus is alive


So if Jesus is alive then where is he living? Is he anywhere in the Arizona desert because its so much like home? Can you tell him to start posting on this thread? Does he drive or prefers riding on an ass?

What you said is no different than some schizophrenic with hallucinations but if you actually believe that Jesus is alive and saying hello to people then you're mentally ill. There really isn't any other reason why anyone would believe there is a 2000 year old man still alive.

11/10/2014 8:19:25 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Quote from wayn49:
no its only his belief and Jesus is alive


Could you please elaborate, on this?

11/10/2014 8:24:36 PMThe bible is real 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from wayn49:
has anyone here ever read the bible? has anyone here studied the bible? have you really studied the books of Daniel and revelation? have you searched history and really looked at the prophecies in the bible? why would the desciples risk everything for a myth? i encourage you to really take a look and see


because i know God is real and i know Jesus died and arose again. he died for me and he died for you whether you believe or not. and he is coming in the clouds of heaven a second time very soon


playboy is real. anyone here ever read playboy? the articles are great. hugh heffner sure wouldn't risk everything for a myth so you can bet your a** miss october is real and unlike god she's been gawked at a ton with our own eyes and continues to be visibly desired as i write this by folks all over the planet. the reality of her tits may be in question but in that there is proof one way or another can that can be found. unlike god nobody expects her to return but you can bet the ranch that miss november will be a real knockout too. beginning in november and continuing through about april there'll be pleanty of clouds for god to descend from. wonder what the odds are that he'll show us all as much as miss descember? she always has the most revealing santa costume, huh?

11/10/2014 9:05:52 PMThe bible is real 
flyfish77
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the natural man cannot understand the things of god, there spiritually understood,these are the most vilest cruelest devilish hateful people i have ever seen,especially women on here, im about out of here,its so godless,an as a non perfect christian,i know i should not be on here at all, they infuriate me,an make my blood boil with anger, one gives a compliment,an is nice then 3 more tear you tp pieces,an try an cast you to hell,there all the same,an so predictable,and false accusers too, i know jesus is alive,he paid the price with his blood,that we couldnt pay, an died,,layed his life down, no one killed him, all will see,but he,s way more merciful than me,i have never seen such evil people as these ever,im ashamed,an i know posed to pray for them, sure i like nice lookin women etc,i aint perfect yet, but i would never give most of these the time of day,there hell awaits them, and not cause of there filth,but cause they dont believe, yet, let a disaster happen,an see how quick one will call on the one an only true god,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yes, they didnt believe it would rain 40 days an nites but it did an the fountains of the deep gave way too,an shot water like 70 miles up,an down on the earth,they were all warned....

11/10/2014 9:09:04 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
So if Jesus is alive then where is he living? Is he anywhere in the Arizona desert because its so much like home? Can you tell him to start posting on this thread? Does he drive or prefers riding on an ass?

What you said is no different than some schizophrenic with hallucinations but if you actually believe that Jesus is alive and saying hello to people then you're mentally ill. There really isn't any other reason why anyone would believe there is a 2000 year old man still alive.




the thing is, God was said to have made all things. where did we come from? if you can believe that we just came out of no where then why can there not be a God? we are here so why cant God be there? the bible tells us in the beginning was the word and the word was with God. Jesus said before abraham was he was. if we just evolved from nothing as the universe evolved then why cant God be there too? when i look at the universe i see perfection. i see a vast number of stars that suggest a designer. that 2000 year old man said he was and always has been because he was the son of God. do you really think that an elephant came from a monkey? a lion came from a lizard? a bird came from a fish? logically that does not add up to me. i know there is a lot of strange things we do not understand. and suffering all over the planet that makes us think where are you God. satan or the devil was said in the bible who rebelled in heaven then came to this new earth and caused adam and eve to sin so now sin is what i believe is causing wrath upon this earth. if God said to adam and eve its ok forget it what would have happened? others including the angels would think God is not serious so we can do whatever. i admit all this suffering just for a bite out of a piece of fruit sounds tough. and many men and woman in the bible did some strange things God told them to do.

but i still believe in this God who is there regardless of what i do not understand. the way i look at it, he gave up everything to die for me so i would not have to die because of my sin and told me in his word i could have eternal life so i got nothing to lose

11/10/2014 9:15:02 PMThe bible is real 

olderthandirt20
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Quote from wayn49:
no its only his belief and Jesus is alive



So we are left with his opinion and your opinion , weighing options

11/10/2014 9:35:32 PMThe bible is real 

tycar96
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What up bro Praise Jesus our lord and savior forever.

11/10/2014 10:15:22 PMThe bible is real 

tycar96
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Praise Jesus Christ my lord and saviour one day he will come back and reign for 1000 years of complete peace he is the prince of of peace and the king of my heart thank u king Jesus can I get a amen

11/11/2014 1:56:09 AMThe bible is real 

furchizedek
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What do you mean, the "women on here"? On the Religion Forum here on DH? Name names. What have they done to you? Maybe you should go to the DH Christian Group. http://www.datehookup.com/Forum-5081.htm It's just a suggestion. I haven't seen any women on here treating you nasty. I've never seen you before, here. Actually. And where did Jesus or any of his 12, real, personally chosen and trained apostles ever preach to the people that Jesus "paid the price with his blood that we couldn't pay," while Jesus was alive? I think all that stuff is derived from mere men, not from Jesus. Jesus tells you why he came. Do you believe him?

Jesus said: “To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the
world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.”
(John 18:37)

Look. Nothing there about dying for anyone's sins. Where did THAT gospel come from?

You want to get to heaven?

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

Look. Do the Father's will and you will be saved. Nothing there about dying for anyone's sins.

Follow Jesus.

Quote from flyfish77:
the natural man cannot understand the things of god, there spiritually understood,these are the most vilest cruelest devilish hateful people i have ever seen,especially women on here, im about out of here,its so godless,an as a non perfect christian,i know i should not be on here at all, they infuriate me,an make my blood boil with anger, one gives a compliment,an is nice then 3 more tear you tp pieces,an try an cast you to hell,there all the same,an so predictable,and false accusers too, i know jesus is alive,he paid the price with his blood,that we couldnt pay, an died,,layed his life down, no one killed him, all will see,but he,s way more merciful than me,i have never seen such evil people as these ever,im ashamed,an i know posed to pray for them, sure i like nice lookin women etc,i aint perfect yet, but i would never give most of these the time of day,there hell awaits them, and not cause of there filth,but cause they dont believe, yet, let a disaster happen,an see how quick one will call on the one an only true god,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yes, they didnt believe it would rain 40 days an nites but it did an the fountains of the deep gave way too,an shot water like 70 miles up,an down on the earth,they were all warned....


11/11/2014 4:47:29 AMThe bible is real 

duchessa
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Quote from wayn49:
no its only his belief and Jesus is alive


Yes, very much alive and right now cleaning the hallways in my building

11/11/2014 4:52:30 AMThe bible is real 

duchessa
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Quote from flyfish77:
the natural man cannot understand the things of god, there spiritually understood,these are the most vilest cruelest devilish hateful people i have ever seen,especially women on here, im about out of here,its so godless,


Yes, please leave...fast. Not only your grammar is one of the poorest around but we have enough delusions with lud's

11/11/2014 6:34:39 AMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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It wasn't me , furch, although I have seen him over in general discussion forum. I have not said anything to him except, yes, it gets pretty bad for meanness, especially over there.

I'm kind but I tell it like it is also, but I didn't tell him off

11/11/2014 7:26:08 AMThe bible is real 

erikbenn
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Quote from wayn49:
has anyone here ever read the bible? has anyone here studied the bible? have you really studied the books of Daniel and revelation? have you searched history and really looked at the prophecies in the bible? why would the desciples risk everything for a myth? i encourage you to really take a look and see


because i know God is real and i know Jesus died and arose again. he died for me and he died for you whether you believe or not. and he is coming in the clouds of heaven a second time very soon
Amen, my brother in Christ. The truth also is that no matter what anyone believes, or says, it will not stop Jesus from coming back soon.

11/11/2014 7:46:54 AMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Long time , no see

11/11/2014 8:03:10 AMThe bible is real 
clarencec
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Long time , no see

I expect that's what they'd say if Jesus came back. Or "are those new sandals?"

11/11/2014 8:58:39 AMThe bible is real 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from wayn49:
the thing is, God was said to have made all things.
Who said? And you think they know better because you don't.

where did we come from?
We come from elements from stars during its early formation. That include movie stars too because they share the same elements. Its proven that organic molecules have falling to this planet.

if you can believe that we just came out of no where then why can there not be a God?
Who believes we came from nowhere? And where is where? Your dimwitted view of the real world is like someone who is blind and watching a sunset from a cave. You simply have no idea what is going on around you and religious fables fills in the empty spaces in your mind.

we are here so why cant God be there?
If we are here then why is God there? Why can't God be here? I guess because he's over there and not very sociable and simply doesn't exist.

the bible tells us in the beginning was the word and the word was with God.
Yes it does say that because those who wrote the bible were very ignorant of actual scientific facts. And so 3000 years later your level of knowledge is pretty much the same as theirs.

Jesus said before abraham was he was.
Was what?

if we just evolved from nothing as the universe evolved then why cant God be there too?
God and nothing seem to go well together like synonyms. Probably because God is really nothing. So essentially you're just praying to nothing.


when i look at the universe i see perfection.
Compared to what?

i see a vast number of stars that suggest a designer.
Primitive ignorance is awe inspiring. Ignorance is bliss.

that 2000 year old man said he was and always has been because he was the son of God.
Which is imaginary and therefore nonexistent. But if Jesus was really 2000 years old don't you think after all those years he's just a big drain on social security or medicare? Or could he be on vacation on another planet, perhaps Kolob?


do you really think that an elephant came from a monkey?
Well, they both came from Africa. But why would an elephant come from a monkey unless the monkey learned how to ride an elephant?

a lion came from a lizard?
Where did Eddie Izzard come from?


a bird came from a fish?
There are flying fish but birds are more descendents of dinosaurs.

logically that does not add up to me.
Because your logic circuits are damaged and in no better condition than dropping a cell phone into the toilet.

i know there is a lot of strange things we do not understand.
If you admit your ignorance then how come you make no attempts to find an education?


And as your mind continues into a deteriorated irrational rant only reveals the depths of your disturbed mind. Your suffer from grandiose religious delusions caused from a combination of mental pathology and intellectual deficits. The following is the result.

and suffering all over the planet that makes us think where are you God. satan or the devil was said in the bible who rebelled in heaven then came to this new earth and caused adam and eve to sin so now sin is what i believe is causing wrath upon this earth. if God said to adam and eve its ok forget it what would have happened? others including the angels would think God is not serious so we can do whatever. i admit all this suffering just for a bite out of a piece of fruit sounds tough. and many men and woman in the bible did some strange things God told them to do.

but i still believe in this God who is there regardless of what i do not understand. the way i look at it, he gave up everything to die for me so i would not have to die because of my sin and told me in his word i could have eternal life so i got nothing to lose


11/11/2014 9:05:36 AMThe bible is real 

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@Clarencec

I reckon!!

11/11/2014 9:42:34 AMThe bible is real 

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Amen, my brother in Christ. The truth also is that no matter what anyone believes, or says, it will not stop Jesus from coming back soon.


Actually it has because the truth is a myth isn't a real person beyond a myth possibly being based on a mythologized person. Another fact is that real people die which include the mythologized person. Because you're ignorant and lack a grip on reality you dwell in delusions and fantasy. You're a buffoon.

Of course Elvis lives. We do know Elvis was a real person. Well, too bad, he's dead too and sorry to those die hard Elvis fans. Unless of course Elvis faked his own death. I would suppose if that were so after 100 years he would have died from old age. Jesus would have died from old age almost 2000 years ago give or take a decade. Jesus is dead (if he ever existed).

11/11/2014 10:04:52 AMThe bible is real 

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Wayn and Erikbenn, I agree with everything you have posted(at least on this topic), but don't we have to convince the atheists and agnostics that God exists before we can convince them of the truth of the Bible? Aren't we getting the cart eay before the horse on this one?

11/11/2014 10:43:26 AMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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the bible does say in the last days some will say where is the blessed promise for all things remain the same. the thing is it also states he is longsuffering not willing that anyone perish.

what will you do when you see a time of trouble hit and revelation unfolds and you cannot buy or sell unless you take the mark and then you see a bright light shine forth from heaven that gets bigger and lights up the sky and there he is Jesus with millions of angels blowing the trumpets and a earthquake hits and hail falls as the size of a talent and you are not ready.


what gets me is many are getting to where they do not believe but they believe something and they believe in ufos and aliens but when it comes to God there is a problem

11/11/2014 10:57:32 AMThe bible is real 

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Wayn and Erikbenn, I agree with everything you have posted(at least on this topic), but don't we have to convince the atheists and agnostics that God exists before we can convince them of the truth of the Bible? Aren't we getting the cart eay before the horse on this one?






11/11/2014 11:02:48 AMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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I'm not an Atheist, but you sure ain't convincin me

11/11/2014 11:15:33 AMThe bible is real 

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11/11/2014 11:19:11 AMThe bible is real 

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Get lost yam. You know the rules. Sick Dustin on him.

11/11/2014 11:32:13 AMThe bible is real 

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Quote from rufftreasure:
I'm not an Atheist, but you sure ain't convincin me



its not my job to convince you its the holy spirits job. i am just a man saved by grace who falls. we really are not much different just we believe differently

11/11/2014 11:36:54 AMThe bible is real 

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11/11/2014 11:44:31 AMThe bible is real 

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Quote from wayn49:
its not my job to convince you its the holy spirits job. i am just a man saved by grace who falls. we really are not much different just we believe differently


What voices in your head convinced you is called psychosis. Because you give it another name doesn't change the psychiatric condition.

11/11/2014 11:45:21 AMThe bible is real 

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that is your right. i brought this up and i tell you i am getting a response that i do not understand. God bless us all

11/11/2014 11:48:20 AMThe bible is real 

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Get lost yam. You know the rules. Sick Dustin on him.


There are absolutely no rules in your religious obsession that you have a working and healthy brain. In fact its to the advantage of your religious delusions that your brain is as defected as it can be.

11/11/2014 12:18:32 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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how real is the bible? there are as much as 300 prophecies telling the coming of Jesus in the old testament. one of those is found in the book of Daniel. babylon ruled from 605 BC to 539 BC. if you remember jerusalem was stormed around 586 BC and was destroyed along with the temple. and Daniel and his three friends were some of those who were taken into captivity just as jeremiah saw. it was a 70 year captivity. nebuchadnezzar was king of babylon at the time. nebuchadnezzar had a dream and Daniel was the only one who could interpret the dream after he prayed to God. in that dream he saw a great statue starting with a head of gold which he was that head of gold. you can read about this dream in Daniel chapter 2. and you can read about this dream Daniel had in chapter 7. 4 kingdoms were to rule the world.

1-babylon from 605 BC to 539 BC
2-medes-persia from 539 BC to 331 BC. it was by the hand of cyrus the great that babylon was overthrown.
3-greece from 331 BC to 168 BC. alexander the great was ruler
4-rome from 168 BC to 476 AD


in Daniel chapter 9 starting in verse 24 it reads 70 weeks are determined upon thy people. and in verse 25 it reads from the command to restore and build jerusalem until the messiah was 69 of those weeks. who gave this command? history shows and you can read this in the book of ezra that artaxerxes gave that command in his 7th year reign which placed that at 457 BC. in bible prophecy a day is a year. so we have 69 weeks. there are 7 days in a week, so 69 times 7 days are 483 days. that would be years in prophecy. when you add that to 457 BC that brings you to the year 27 AD. in luke tiberius ceasars 15th reign was in 27 AD. so what happened in that year? according to luke Jesus was baptized and began his ministry. so here we Jesus the messiah who appears right on time. lets finish. in verse 27 it reads and he will confirm the covenant with many in the middle of the week. how many days are there in the middle of the week? 3 and a half days. what happened in history in spring of 31 AD? Jesus was crucified. who was to make a new covenant? remember God said behold i make a new covenant with the house of isreal. all this is history and happened right on time

11/11/2014 12:24:17 PMThe bible is real 

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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
There are absolutely no rules in your religious obsession that you have a working and healthy brain. In fact its to the advantage of your religious delusions that your brain is as defected as it can be.


I follow logic knowledge and virtue. You need to check your behavior. Nobody wants to be picked on.

11/11/2014 12:52:45 PMThe bible is real 

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Quote from wayn49:
how real is the bible? there are as much as 300 prophecies telling the coming of Jesus in the old testament.


No, there are not, wayn.

Please find a Rabbi nearby where you live, a teacher of the Tanakh, which you call the "Old Testament." The Tanakh is the scriptures of the Jews. It's THEIR religion. How is it that you know more about what their book says than they do? The Tanakh was written by Jews, for Jews, about Jews. It's not a Christian document. Please, wayn, get some second opinions from outside your circle. Read some scholarship.

If you want to know what the Tanakh says and means, talk to a qualified teacher/believer of the Tanakh, a Jewish Rabbi.

11/11/2014 12:54:00 PMThe bible is real 

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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
There are absolutely no rules in your religious obsession that you have a working and healthy brain. In fact its to the advantage of your religious delusions that your brain is as defected as it can be.

Quote from maxwalbridge:
I follow logic knowledge and virtue. You need to check your behavior. Nobody wants to be picked on.


The OP should block iyamwutiyam. That's what he's supposed to do.

11/11/2014 1:07:11 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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Quote from furchizedek:
No, there are not, wayn.

Please find a Rabbi nearby where you live, a teacher of the Tanakh, which you call the "Old Testament." The Tanakh is the scriptures of the Jews. It's THEIR religion. How is it that you know more about what their book says than they do? The Tanakh was written by Jews, for Jews, about Jews. It's not a Christian document. Please, wayn, get some second opinions from outside your circle. Read some scholarship.

If you want to know what the Tanakh says and means, talk to a qualified teacher/believer of the Tanakh, a Jewish Rabbi.



furch you think you know everything. there are at least 300 or more in the old testament

11/11/2014 1:26:04 PMThe bible is real 

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I was speaking to Eric Benn, he is the one tryin to convince.
I wasn't speaking to you, sorry for the misunderstanding.

11/11/2014 1:29:51 PMThe bible is real 

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Quote from wayn49:
furch you think you know everything. there are at least 300 or more in the old testament


No, there are not, wayn.

Take your list of 300 to a Rabbi and ask him about it. He knows more about the Tanakh than you do.

And you should consider being more respectful of the religious scriptures of the Jews and stop calling it "The Old Testament." They don't call it that. You should call it what they call it. It's their religious book, not yours.

The Books of the TaNaKh

Biblical scrolls

The Hebrew Bible is called the TaNaKh.

The letters T-N-K are an acronym for the three parts of the Bible of Judaism:

Torah (tor-AH) -- The Law, also called the Pentateuch (Greek for "five books")
Nebiim ( neh-veh-EEM) -- The Prophets
Ketubim (keh-tu-VEEM) -- The Writings

Listed below are the books of the Tanakh. Three main "headers" show the three divisions of the book spoken of above. Additionally the Prophets section is subdivided into the Former Prophets and the Latter Prophets. The Latter Prophets also include "The Twelve" (Minor Prophets).

The Torah

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy

The Prophets

The Former Prophets

Joshua
Judges
Samuel
Kings

The Latter Prophets

Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekial
The Twelve(Minor Prophets)
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zecariah
Malachi

The Writings

Psalms
Proverbs
Job
Song of Solomon
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah
Chronicles

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/tanakh.stm

11/11/2014 1:34:41 PMThe bible is real 

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its not my job to convince you its the holy spirits job. i am just a man saved by grace who falls. we really are not much different just we believe differently


You are NOT "saved by grace," wayn. Don't you follow Jesus? Jesus never said that anyone was "saved by grace." "Saved by grace" is a doctrine of men, it's not from Jesus. You are saved, according to Jesus, by doing the Father's will:

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

Jesus never, not once, uses the word "grace" in the entire New Testament.

11/11/2014 2:58:23 PMThe bible is real 

wayn49
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Quote from furchizedek:
You are NOT "saved by grace," wayn. Don't you follow Jesus? Jesus never said that anyone was "saved by grace." "Saved by grace" is a doctrine of men, it's not from Jesus. You are saved, according to Jesus, by doing the Father's will:

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

Jesus never, not once, uses the word "grace" in the entire New Testament.




he came to die in my place. he died for my sin and i thank him for that



[Edited 11/11/2014 2:58:53 PM ]

11/11/2014 3:18:35 PMThe bible is real 

rufftreasure
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Wayn

Who told you this, and who told them that??



[Edited 11/11/2014 3:18:47 PM ]