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12/11/2014 7:04:03 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


Only two post are allowed to each of us or we will be accused of "bumping." So, I will answer several in this one.

Asanb-I will check out that link, thank you.

Ruff- I don't go to church any more but I miss the worship services.

Furch- All fall short of the glory of God. Christ, not Paul said: "I am the way the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father except by me." Pretty clear.

I will post hereafter in the Christian community on DH, thank you for pointing that out. I have enjoyed reading each of your posts and communicating with you all. Thank you for sharing your faith and thoughts with me.

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12/11/2014 8:36:56 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

olderthandirt20
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Waldron, AR
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It's a shame you were headed in the right direction in your first post as you recognised the hypocritical doctrines of organized religion and the abuse of power within the churches and clergy.
Now if you could look with that same critical eye at the foundation of christianity you could see how false and ridiculous the whole concept is.
Too bad you are still living with your addiction.Best of luck what ever you do.

12/11/2014 8:37:07 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

furchizedek
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (17,868)
Kingman, AZ
75, joined Sep. 2010


Quote from triannalee:
I visited Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, non-denominational and others, but really it all is about Christ and His work.


Jesus' "work" is to bear witness unto the truth. That's what HE said. (John 18:37) It's the reason he was born and the cause for which he came into this world.

I never call Jesus, "Christ." He can be the Son of God and NOT be the Christ. The two ideas are not interchangeable. "Christ" does not mean "Son of God." He's certainly not the Christ (Messiah) that the Jews were expecting. He doesn't fit their criteria for the Messiah. And after all, "Messiah" is their term, from their religion. And Jesus even denies being the Christ:

Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Mat 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Mat 22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

What is the "it" that you refer to above when you say that "really it all is about Christ and His work"?

Isn't "it" really all about what you need to know and do to have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven?

Well, Jesus answers that clearly.

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

You must do the Father's will. That's the real gospel from Jesus, not the gospel about Jesus from Paul.

Once you follow Jesus and none other, everything becomes clear and your burden is lightened. But it's hard to bring Pauline indoctrinated Christians around to following Jesus only. They resist it with every fiber of their being. Such is the nature of indoctrination. It's hard to shake it off. Few can.

"Follow me," Jesus said.

"Hear ye him," God the Father said about Jesus.

Neither of them ever said, "follow Paul" or "hear ye Paul," or endorsed Paul in any way whatsoever.

The Son of God came to earth and was here for 30-some years. Why would you listen to any other voices than His and his alone?

"Being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2Co 12:16)

Main Entry: guile
Function:noun
: deceitful cunning : DUPLICITY

Main Entry: duplicity
Function:noun
: the disguising of true intentions by deceptive words or action

12/11/2014 8:45:03 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

furchizedek
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (17,868)
Kingman, AZ
75, joined Sep. 2010


Quote from triannalee:
Only two post are allowed to each of us or we will be accused of "bumping." So, I will answer several in this one.

Asanb-I will check out that link, thank you.

Ruff- I don't go to church any more but I miss the worship services.

Furch- All fall short of the glory of God. Christ, not Paul said: "I am the way the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father except by me." Pretty clear.

I will post hereafter in the Christian community on DH, thank you for pointing that out. I have enjoyed reading each of your posts and communicating with you all. Thank you for sharing your faith and thoughts with me.


Goodbye. Come back when you're open to learning about Jesus and HIS gospel, not so much Paul's gospel ABOUT Jesus. And good luck on the Christian group. You'll need it there too. They're all over the place there.

12/11/2014 9:06:26 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


Quote from furchizedek:
Goodbye. Come back when you're open to learning about Jesus and HIS gospel, not so much Paul's gospel ABOUT Jesus. And good luck on the Christian group. You'll need it there too. They're all over the place there.


God is love. To obey Him means to act in His love. Anything done outside of His love is outside of Him.

1 Cor. 13

1
If I speak in human and angelic tongues* but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a
2
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.b
3
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.c

4
* Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated,d
5
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,e
6
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.f
8
* Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
9
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
10
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
12
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.g
13
* So faith, hope, love remain, these three;h but the greatest of these is love.

12/11/2014 9:17:15 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

furchizedek
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (17,868)
Kingman, AZ
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I thought you were gone to the Christian Group.

There's no point in your quoting Paul to me as you have done below for whatever reason. I don't follow Paul. I am free from Paul and his cult forever. I used to be in it but I escaped. Praise the Lord!

Good luck again. Take care.

Quote from triannalee:
God is love. To obey Him means to act in His love. Anything done outside of His love is outside of Him.

1 Cor. 13

1
If I speak in human and angelic tongues* but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a
2
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.b
3
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.c

4
* Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated,d
5
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,e
6
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.f
8
* Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
9
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
10
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
12
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.g
13
* So faith, hope, love remain, these three;h but the greatest of these is love.


12/11/2014 10:09:35 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
slowpoke7
Over 2,000 Posts (2,716)
Hendersonville, TN
77, joined Feb. 2011


Quote from triannalee:
God is love. To obey Him means to act in His love. Anything done outside of His love is outside of Him.

1 Cor. 13

1
If I speak in human and angelic tongues* but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a
2
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.b
3
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.c

4
* Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated,d
5
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,e
6
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.f
8
* Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
9
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
10
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
12
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.g
13
* So faith, hope, love remain, these three;h but the greatest of these is love.


Good post and very true.

12/11/2014 10:21:43 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

rufftreasure
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (19,220)
Fairmont, MN
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Condensed and concise, it all boils down to Love

12/12/2014 12:44:51 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
joyusall2
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Australia
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Condensed and concise, it all boils down to Love





All U need is Love by the Beatles


well on--- fellow-sister music lover rufftreasure

12/12/2014 2:27:05 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Saint Petersburg, FL
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
It's a shame you were headed in the right direction in your first post as you recognised the hypocritical doctrines of organized religion and the abuse of power within the churches and clergy.
Now if you could look with that same critical eye at the foundation of christianity you could see how false and ridiculous the whole concept is.
Too bad you are still living with your addiction.Best of luck what ever you do.




Peace

12/12/2014 7:43:37 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


Quote from olderthandirt20:
It's a shame you were headed in the right direction in your first post as you recognised the hypocritical doctrines of organized religion and the abuse of power within the churches and clergy.
Now if you could look with that same critical eye at the foundation of christianity you could see how false and ridiculous the whole concept is.
Too bad you are still living with your addiction.Best of luck what ever you do.


There are dangers in this world, sad to say danger exists in churches too. A member of my family was molested by a man who was well accepted in our church. He served ten years in prison for the crime. That same church had three men who had molested children, and another who even tried to seduce the pastor's daughter. We have seen major ministries brought down by sin, but, God is not sinful. He is worthy of our praise and service. Those who serve God with a pure heart will walk according to His word; they are not perfect, being human does not allow for that. There are none perfect outside of Him either. These same men would have molested children whether in church or not. Had they took to heart God's word and fought the temptation they would have spared themselves and others much suffering. We do not hear stories of those who would have been a pedophile; who is going to stand up and testify that they were tempted to molest a child but overcame the temptation?


My addiction? I'm afraid to pick up God's word or listen to it, but it is written in my heart from years of studying the Bible and hearing thousands of sermons. It seems I am too imperfect, I can't measure up. I can't find the balance between my humanity and what God requires. If I serve Him I will surely fail again making a mockery of the God I love. Thank you for the well wishes Olderthandirt.

12/12/2014 8:05:39 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
mrhankchinaski
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,691)
Aurora, CO
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You have to be strong to stand up to a church.

You can't leave your brain in the parking lot.

Church then becomes what you have found to be true.

It becomes what you really believe.

A good church will accept that approach.

It's why I like being a post Vatican 2, liberal, American, catholic.



[Edited 12/12/2014 8:08:37 AM ]

12/12/2014 10:35:41 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

rufftreasure
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Fairmont, MN
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Quote from joyusall2:
All U need is Love by the Beatles


well on--- fellow-sister music lover rufftreasure


Love to you, Joy, sister in Love and the musica!!

For all my friends and of course, Pappa

12/12/2014 11:48:11 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


All U need is Love by the Beatles


well on--- fellow-sister music lover rufftreasureQuote from rufftreasure:
Love to you, Joy, sister in Love and the musica!!

For all my friends and of course, Pappa


We also need wisdom, morals and commitment.



[Edited 12/12/2014 11:49:35 AM ]

12/12/2014 3:21:52 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

furchizedek
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Kingman, AZ
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
It's a shame you were headed in the right direction in your first post as you recognised the hypocritical doctrines of organized religion and the abuse of power within the churches and clergy.
Now if you could look with that same critical eye at the foundation of christianity you could see how false and ridiculous the whole concept is.
Too bad you are still living with your addiction.Best of luck what ever you do.


I must say that I agree with the gist of what OTD said above. Cast a critical eye on the foundation of Christianity as it is. Good idea. Can you do it? Have you read any scholarly biblical criticism? Here's five, easy to read books that will get you off the ground. They're about $10 each in soft cover at Amazon.com

"Why Christianity Must Change Or Die."

"Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism."

-by Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong


"Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why"

"Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them)"

"Forged: Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are"

-by Bart D. Ehrman. Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar, currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Ehrman is a leading New Testament scholar, and has also achieved acclaim at the popular level, authoring four New York Times bestsellers. His best-known works at the popular level are Misquoting Jesus and Jesus, Interrupted.[2] Ehrman's work focuses on New Testament textual criticism and early Christianity.

Some more comments below.

Quote from triannalee:
Those who serve God with a pure heart will walk according to His word; they are not perfect, being human does not allow for that. There are none perfect outside of Him either.


But that's not true. The bible says that Elijah and Enoch were perfect in God's sight, or perfect enough. Noah too if I'm not mistaken.

Elijah and Enoch so perfectly aligned their wills with God's will that they were "translated" directly to heaven (the Mansion worlds that Jesus spoke of, (John 14:2)) in a chariot of spiritual fire and flames.

2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Look at that. Enoch was "translated." It's in the bible. Have you ever given any thought to what it means, to what really happened to Elijah and Enoch? Christians never talk about such things. The Urantia Book explains it fully.

Jesus said "The kingdom of God is within you." This is the truth that has been lost by Christianity. Christians say Jesus meant "among you" or "in your midst," or 'nearby,' etc. But Jesus meant, "within you." There is an actual pre-personal fragment of God within every human being. When you align your will perfectly with God's will as Enoch and Elijah did, you FUSE with that fragment of God and you are "translated" in a "chariot of [spiritual] flames" directly to "the mansion worlds" which Jesus referred to as the "many mansions in my Father's house." (John 14:2) They are not exactly "heaven" but they have been perceived as such in human visions and literature. There's seven mansion worlds, the "seven heavens."

Elijah and Enoch both "fused" with the fragment of God within them (Luk 17:20-21) and they were both "translated" in a "chariot of [spiritual] fire directly to the mansions that Jesus referred to and both of them BYPASSED NORMAL MORTAL DEATH.

My addiction? I'm afraid to pick up God's word or listen to it, but it is written in my heart from years of studying the Bible and hearing thousands of sermons. It seems I am too imperfect, I can't measure up. I can't find the balance between my humanity and what God requires. If I serve Him I will surely fail again making a mockery of the God I love. Thank you for the well wishes Olderthandirt.


You are trapped by Paul's false gospel that you can't do anything to bring about your own salvation, whereas Jesus says all you need to do, all you MUST do, to enter the kingdom of heaven is to do the Father's will (as Elijah and Enoch did) (Matthew 7:21) . Would Jesus have told you you can do that, only to have Paul come along later and tell you that you cannot do it?

Why exactly do you follow Paul instead of Jesus? (The answer is "indoctrination.") Neither Jesus nor God the Father ever endorsed Paul.

12/12/2014 3:49:52 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

furchizedek
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double post, sorry



[Edited 12/12/2014 3:50:30 PM ]

12/12/2014 5:10:55 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

rufftreasure
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Quote from triannalee:
We also need wisdom, morals and commitment.


That comes under the heading of love.

12/12/2014 7:03:04 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


Quote from rufftreasure:
That comes under the heading of love.


For the most part I agree with you. However, many good people outside of Christ can have any one or all three traits I mentioned. Atheists love their families and friends, I once worked with an atheist who had great work ethics and soft spoken, kind. There are many well known motivators that have and share wisdom who are not religious.

Jesus tells about a shrewd and evil manager that had wisdom in Luke 16:

1 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "A rich man had a business manager. The manager was accused of wasting the rich man's property. 2 So the rich man called for his manager and said to him, 'What's this I hear about you? Let me examine your books. It's obvious that you can't manage my property any longer.' 3"The manager thought, 'What should I do? My master is taking my job away from me. I'm not strong enough to dig, and I'm ashamed to beg. 4I know what I'll do so that people will welcome me into their homes when I've lost my job.' 5"So the manager called for each one of his master's debtors. He said to the first, 'How much do you owe my master?' 6"The debtor replied, 'Eight hundred gallons of olive oil.' "The manager told him, 'Take my master's ledger. Quick! Sit down, and write "four hundred!"' 7"Then he asked another debtor, 'How much do you owe?' "The debtor replied, 'A thousand bushels of wheat.' "The manager told him, 'Take the ledger, and write "eight hundred!"' 8"The master praised the dishonest manager for being so clever. Worldly people are more clever than spiritually-minded people when it comes to dealing with others." 9[Jesus continued,] "I'm telling you that although wealth is often used in dishonest ways, you should use it to make friends for yourselves. When life is over, you will be welcomed into an eternal home.

The God kind of love, Agape love will love their enemies, bless those that curse them. If someone sexually assaulted your child, how long would it take you to forgive them?

12/12/2014 7:49:42 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
slowpoke7
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Hendersonville, TN
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Matthew 20:28 (KJV) Jesus said - Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.



12/12/2014 7:53:31 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

rufftreasure
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Quote from triannalee:
For the most part I agree with you. However, many good people outside of Christ can have any one or all three traits I mentioned. Atheists love their families and friends, I once worked with an atheist who had great work ethics and soft spoken, kind. There are many well known motivators that have and share wisdom who are not religious.

Jesus tells about a shrewd and evil manager that had wisdom in Luke 16:

1 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "A rich man had a business manager. The manager was accused of wasting the rich man's property. 2 So the rich man called for his manager and said to him, 'What's this I hear about you? Let me examine your books. It's obvious that you can't manage my property any longer.' 3"The manager thought, 'What should I do? My master is taking my job away from me. I'm not strong enough to dig, and I'm ashamed to beg. 4I know what I'll do so that people will welcome me into their homes when I've lost my job.' 5"So the manager called for each one of his master's debtors. He said to the first, 'How much do you owe my master?' 6"The debtor replied, 'Eight hundred gallons of olive oil.' "The manager told him, 'Take my master's ledger. Quick! Sit down, and write "four hundred!"' 7"Then he asked another debtor, 'How much do you owe?' "The debtor replied, 'A thousand bushels of wheat.' "The manager told him, 'Take the ledger, and write "eight hundred!"' 8"The master praised the dishonest manager for being so clever. Worldly people are more clever than spiritually-minded people when it comes to dealing with others." 9[Jesus continued,] "I'm telling you that although wealth is often used in dishonest ways, you should use it to make friends for yourselves. When life is over, you will be welcomed into an eternal home.

The God kind of love, Agape love will love their enemies, bless those that curse them. If someone sexually assaulted your child, how long would it take you to forgive them?


I already did.

12/13/2014 7:50:27 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


Furch, I have read a verse that you keep posting in threads: Why do you call me Lord when you do not do the things I say?” It is true that if we love God we will submit to His will and abide in His word. That is not to say we will not fail at times and be in need of His grace, forgiveness. Do you always do the things that God says? Do you always love others as yourself, speak to them as you would like to be spoken to? Have you ever had impure thoughts? Do you lash out in anger and sin? Are you judgmental, racist, are you always honest about everything? My point is Furch, that no one is perfect, not you, me or anyone else always does the things Jesus taught. Has hard as we may try, we fail. If any of us make it into Heaven, it will be by the grace of God, not by works. Faith will produce works, but that does not save us.

I quit going to church for several reasons, one of which is judgmental people that gossiped about others, blinded to their own flaws.

12/13/2014 7:50:59 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
Signal Mountain, TN
60, joined Jun. 2014


Quote from rufftreasure:
I already did.


So have I and it wasn't easy.

12/18/2014 5:05:28 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
luxorus
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Peoria, IL
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Quote from triannalee:
The first scripture that came to mind after I read your statement was John 14:6, the Truth does have a name.

The Christ said, "I AM WAY the TRUTH, and the LIFE. No one can come to the Father except through me.

The Word of God is called Truth, John 17:17. Here are five of the most beautiful verses concerning Who and what Truth is:

John 1:1-5
1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.




Good to see you Luxorus, I hope you have been well.


Would the truth need mortality, when stardust remains for eternity waiting for witness?

12/26/2014 4:48:39 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

talonn1
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Jensen Beach, FL
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
In the Catholic Church John and Paul certainly do not get "equal billing" with Jesus. Jesus is God Incarnate, teaches the Church. John and Paul were just men. I made those three quotes, not to equate Jesus with John and Paul, but to show how very unracist the Bible is. I don't know if you believe in the Bible or not but surely you don't think the Bible is racist, do you?


Jesus is in no way God incarnate. You base your beliefs on flawed information. Mistranslations and man have muddled the works.

12/26/2014 4:53:53 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

talonn1
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Jensen Beach, FL
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Quote from furchizedek:
God never commanded anyone to smite their enemies, Ludlow. You don't really follow God. You don't know God.

This is what God says about such things:

Mat 5:44 ...I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 Samuel 15:2,3

2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "


Hosea 13:16

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open."

12/26/2014 7:28:00 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
blake6972
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Quote from rufftreasure:
No more than the bible


Quote where the bible promotes racist issues. In its correct context.

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iyamwutiyam
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Quote from blake6972:
Quote where the bible promotes racist issues. In its correct context.


Even you should know the story of Jesus and the Canaanite woman whom Jesus refereed to and her daughter as dogs. The other is where the NT is rife with antisemitism in Mark, Matthew, John and so on.

12/26/2014 8:45:53 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

talonn1
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Quote from blake6972:
Quote where the bible promotes racist issues. In its correct context.



Matthew 15: 22-28

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus, at Matthew 15:22-28, denigrated the Canaanites, not because the Jews were racially superior but because they worshipped false gods. At the end of the discourse Jesus recognizes that this particular woman was not a polytheist, but that she believed in Jesus, and Jesus healed her daughter.

Jesus was opposed to polytheism and other religious errors. The color of one's sin meant nothing to Him. Jesus did not tell His disciples to go out into the world and preach the gospel to white folks only. Jesus told them to go to all nations.

12/29/2014 2:10:08 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

jasmi
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I hate organized religion, period. It can be dangerous.

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sail_dancer
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Quote from jasmi:
I hate organized religion, period. It can be dangerous.


Yes! It can.

Peace

12/30/2014 9:33:56 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
blake6972
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Quote from jasmi:
I hate organized religion, period. It can be dangerous.



Anything organized can be dangerous.

Take the left liberal democratic party for example.

Highly dangerous.

12/31/2014 3:24:57 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Quote from blake6972:
Anything organized can be dangerous.

Take the left liberal democratic party for example.

Highly dangerous.


Quote by Stephen Weinberg:

"With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion"



Peace

12/31/2014 7:27:40 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
asanb
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1. Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night — Isaac Asimov
2. I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life. — Andrew Carnegie
3. All thinking men are atheists. — Ernest Hemingway
4. Lighthouses are more helpful then churches. — Benjamin Franklin
5. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche
6. The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. — George Bernard Shaw
7. Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile. — Kurt Vonnegut
8. I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. — Frank Lloyd Wright
9. Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. — Denis Diderot
10. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. — Samuel Clemens
11. The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life. — Sigmund Freud
12. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon
13. The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church. — Ferdinand Magellan
14. Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. — Woody Allen
15. It’s an incredible con job when you think about it, to believe something now in exchange for something after death. Even corporations with their reward systems don’t try to make it posthumous. — Gloria Steinem

http://listverse.com/2007/12/07/top-15-quotes-by-famous-atheists/

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sail_dancer
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Quote from asanb:

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches. — Benjamin Franklin

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Right on !



Peace

1/3/2015 12:12:46 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
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Quote from jasmi:
I hate organized religion, period. It can be dangerous.


The God of Christian faith is real and is love. I don't hate organized religion, I dislike how it is used much of the time to mislead people.

I once viewed the kingpin of a major Christian channel criticize another. Both of them have the same commission, to increase the kingdom of God through preaching the gospel. It's a money thing, the founder of the first station was ill that a new channel challenged his power. He made negative comments about the new station instead of walking in love. Like the Priests who were afraid of Jesus cutting into their authority and jeopardized the masses following them. The old station feared losing viewers, or power/money.

Sad to say, but most who leave churches have been wounded by those on the inside. We don't abandon our faith, we understand that God exists and He is good.

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sail_dancer
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Quote from triannalee:
we understand that God exists and He is good.


And what exactly is your understanding?

Peace

1/3/2015 7:04:34 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
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Quote from sail_dancer:
And what exactly is your understanding?

Peace


My understanding is that if I understood everything about God, He wouldn't be God.


Happy New Year Sail

1/3/2015 7:43:01 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Quote from triannalee:
My understanding is that if I understood everything about God, He wouldn't be God.


Happy New Year Sail


Happy New Year ..... Anna Lee

Peace

1/3/2015 2:42:17 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

ludlowlowell
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I agree with Trianalee.

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duchessa
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Furchizedek, would you say that Mexicans are degenerate, or only black people?


Lud, brains, the Mexicans are not blacks

Have you ever read aout the coneheads? you should.



[Edited 1/3/2015 3:24:58 PM ]

1/6/2015 10:10:54 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
triannalee
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“Rockingsunsets” message….

A man I do not know sent me a private message. It simply said: “The rock, mountains, Titanic, lol” (copy of message below). At first glance this message seemed to be incoherent. Getting such messages is one reason I have at times, went invisible. After letting him know not to contact me again if he could not send messages that were coherent, it dawned on me what this broken message implied. Evidently he read this thread started a few weeks ago. He included a “lol” at the end of this message, which is evidence of a callous heart.

This is a major reason trust is lost in the body of Christ and church is abandoned. Without knowing me personally he sent a judgmental message to me. Isn’t it odd that a person will offer judgment instead hope, reconciliation? The first time he contacted me did not offer any sort of grace or kindness, not “Hello, my name is _____” or “The God of all hope and grace is acquainted with our sufferings”. Nothing but judgment and totally hypocritical, and finds it humorous that souls are perishing. Pardon me, but don’t go into ministry sir, you will damn more souls than you help to save.

A few minutes ago he deleted his account, proof that it was created solely for intentional harm.



rockingsunsets..
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the rock,mountains,titanic lol

Jan. 06 12:57 AM

1/11/2015 5:51:16 AMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Quote from duchessa:
Have you ever read aout the coneheads? you should.



I see you noticed the similarity. I have been tempted many times to mention it ..... but held back ..... not wishing to insult coneheads.



Peace

1/11/2015 1:01:23 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
blake6972
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Quote from triannalee:
My understanding is that if I understood everything about God, He wouldn't be God.


Happy New Year Sail



Exactly .

1/11/2015 1:14:11 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Let's face it ..... it is impossible to know anything about an entity ..... especially an invisible one ..... when noting printed or said about it can in any way be verified.

You can hope that the things you have been told by your religion about this invisible entity are true ..... but you cannot be absolutely sure that the church is up-and-up.

The more gullible the person ..... greater the chance that they will believe the nonsense being fed to them.

Peace

1/11/2015 1:32:11 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

ludlowlowell
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The goodness and holiness of Jesus Christ speaks for itself.

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sail_dancer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The goodness and holiness of Jesus Christ speaks for itself.


Jesus never wrote down what he stood for ..... all we have are hearsay mythical gospel accounts of what Jesus is claimed to have said.

Peace

1/16/2015 5:58:51 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
blake6972
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How do you know Jesus didn't write down anything Mr Know it all?
Seriously how do you know?

I won't hold my breath.



1/16/2015 6:06:42 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Quote from blake6972:

How do you know Jesus didn't write down anything Mr Know it all?

Seriously how do you know?

I won't hold my breath.

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No writings are attributed to Jesus ..... ask any true theologian or religious historian.

So the answer to your question is that nothing exists to indicate that Jesus ever wrote down a thing.

Peace

1/16/2015 6:08:30 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
blake6972
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Why would you believe what they say?
Do you believe by faith what they wrote?

1/16/2015 6:09:43 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

iyamwutiyam
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Jezus said wut?

1/16/2015 6:11:20 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 
blake6972
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That's what I knew.



1/16/2015 6:21:24 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Quote from blake6972:

Why would you believe what they say?

Do you believe by faith what they wrote?

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Blake ..... there is NOTHING that even hints at Jesus ever writing anything ..... there are not even ancient writings that refer to anything written by Jesus.

Let's face it Blake ..... your argument is ridiculous.

Peace

1/16/2015 6:26:33 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

olderthandirt20
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I'm guessing someone is on a holy crusade

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iyamwutiyam
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Blake, Jesus wrote something? Did he send you a letter or email?

1/16/2015 6:44:21 PMThe Mentality in Many Churches | Page 2 

sail_dancer
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Quote from olderthandirt20:

I'm guessing someone is on a holy crusade

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Yeah ..... they let Blake out of the asylum for a weekend with his family.

Peace

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duchessa
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Quote from sail_dancer:


I see you noticed the similarity. I have been tempted many times to mention it ..... but held back ..... not wishing to insult coneheads.



Peace


The would understand; they reason............jijijijij