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12/2/2014 6:49:30 AMWhich is the best religion? 

beefdip
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I'm thinking of joining one but can't decide which. I find Jews to annoying, Islam is for nutters, Christian has too many pedophiles...buddist looked promising but I don't think they eat meat so that's not going to work.

Any suggestions?




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12/2/2014 7:02:21 AMWhich is the best religion? 
clarencec
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What about Secular Humanism? It's based on ordering society for the benefit of people and not to appease the capricious desires of purported deities, is rational, open to evolve and improve in light of increased scientific understanding and supports the right of everyone to pursue their own religions as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

12/2/2014 7:07:31 AMWhich is the best religion? 

beefdip
Dildo, NL
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Sounds interesting.

Do they having any dietary restrictions or stupid head wear?

What's the secular humanism stance on squeezing one off?

12/2/2014 11:43:53 AMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from beefdip:
I'm thinking of joining one but can't decide which. I find Jews to annoying, Islam is for nutters, Christian has too many pedophiles...buddist looked promising but I don't think they eat meat so that's not going to work.

Any suggestions?


Yes, I have one.

Read The Urantia Book first. It's a new revelation of religious truth to our world from God's government. This is the one to get. If you have any questions, just ask.

                                

12/2/2014 12:07:19 PMWhich is the best religion? 

maxwalbridge
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Become pacifist like me. You best be friendly.

12/2/2014 12:08:38 PMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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Quote from beefdip:
Sounds interesting.

Do they having any dietary restrictions or stupid head wear?

What's the secular humanism stance on squeezing one off?


Well, IMO, it ain't hurtin no one, should be a go, guilt free

12/2/2014 12:09:15 PMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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Quote from clarencec:
What about Secular Humanism? It's based on ordering society for the benefit of people and not to appease the capricious desires of purported deities, is rational, open to evolve and improve in light of increased scientific understanding and supports the right of everyone to pursue their own religions as long as they aren't hurting anyone.


Great post, Clarencec

12/2/2014 12:28:49 PMWhich is the best religion? 

kb2222
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(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)

12/2/2014 12:43:34 PMWhich is the best religion? 
slowpoke7
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Yes indeed - If you want to deceive your neighbor then this is the book for you.




[Edited 12/2/2014 12:46:36 PM ]

12/2/2014 1:12:52 PMWhich is the best religion? 

kb2222
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Your obvious problem, slowpoke, is that you are a brainwashed book worshipper. You know damn well the Bible was compiled/written by early church leaders when they still believed it was righteous and godly to torture, stone and burn people to death at the stake. And you know differently now, don't you, slowpoke? The Bible is rampant with the killing (murder) of people for all sorts of absurd reasons and if you profess to be a Christian follower of Jesus you should not believe God orders man to kill people for Him. That's just ludicrous. That's not the nature of God that Jesus divinely revealed and taught and you should know it. If you do not then you shouldn't call yourself a Christian. Its delusional blasphemy for you to profess to be a Christian and still continue to believe and assert that God orders man to kill people as if you never heard of the teachings of Jesus.

12/2/2014 1:32:37 PMWhich is the best religion? 
slowpoke7
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Beware of brainwashed book worshipper that have subordinated their mind to a Book of Lies


12/2/2014 1:56:21 PMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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One side of the spectrum ain't any better than its opposite.

There's a serious if not hilarious imbalance

12/2/2014 1:58:54 PMWhich is the best religion? 

kb2222
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Slowpoke, its blasphemy for you to profess to be a Christian and still continue to believe and teach that God orders man to kill people, to stone and burn them to death at the stake, as if you never heard of the teachings of Jesus. Maybe you don't care? That's how you appear. Is this true of you, slowpoke?

12/2/2014 2:07:40 PMWhich is the best religion? 
slowpoke7
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12/2/2014 2:21:59 PMWhich is the best religion? 

ludlowlowell
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Beefdip, don't look for the best religion-- look for the TRUE religion. God is truth. When you find the truth you find God.

You'll never find it without prayer. Pray to God for Him to show you the truth, the true religion. He won't fail you.

12/2/2014 2:56:14 PMWhich is the best religion? 

kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Beefdip, don't look for the best religion-- look for the TRUE religion. God is truth. When you find the truth you find God.

You'll never find it without prayer. Pray to God for Him to show you the truth, the true religion. He won't fail you.

Ludlow, you have the same problem as slowpoke. You both are brainwashed book worshippers. You both know damn well the Bible was compiled/written by early church leaders when they still believed it was righteous and godly to torture, stone and burn people to death at the stake. And you know differently now, don't you, ludlow? The Bible is rampant with the killing (murder) of people for all sorts of absurd reasons and if you profess to be a Christian follower of Jesus you should not believe God orders man to kill people for Him. That's just ludicrous. That's not the nature of God that Jesus divinely revealed and taught and you should know it. If you do not then you shouldn't call yourself a Christian. Its delusional blasphemy for you to profess to be a Christian and still continue to believe and teach that God orders man to kill people as if you never heard of the life and teachings of Jesus.

12/2/2014 3:24:53 PMWhich is the best religion? 

paulo1666
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Why do you need a religeon?

Read as much as you can and think for yourself. You do not need me or anyone else to tell you want to believe.

The best advice on here is to look into secular humanism.

12/2/2014 4:06:51 PMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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Quote from paulo1666:
Why do you need a religeon?

Read as much as you can and think for yourself. You do not need me or anyone else to tell you want to believe.

The best advice on here is to look into secular humanism.




12/2/2014 4:49:22 PMWhich is the best religion? 
asanb
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The best school is the one that graduates successful students.
The best religion is the one that you can leave behind when it has delivered you to the door.
Who needs rites and rituals, beliefs "knowledge", and dogmas when the object of all religions is supposed to be a personal union with, or revelation of, the divine?
The religion that is able to deliver a drop of that elixir is the best.

12/2/2014 7:11:49 PMWhich is the best religion? 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from beefdip:
I'm thinking of joining one but can't decide which. I find Jews to annoying, Islam is for nutters, Christian has too many pedophiles...buddist looked promising but I don't think they eat meat so that's not going to work.

Any suggestions?


The best religion is one that confirms your hallucinations as visions and your abnormal behavior is the holy spirit taking control over your mind. The best religion teaches you to use circular logic, arguments from ignorance, appeals to faith and emotion. The best region instills guilt and paranoia. It embraces psychosis and rewards you for ranting incoherently. In fact if you do gibberish you will be a great role model for speaking in tongues.

A great religion rewards and elevates you. And if you can elevate yourself by sitting on a pillar for 30 years like Simeon of Stylites you too can become a saint.




12/2/2014 7:48:19 PMWhich is the best religion? 

fyathyrio
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Quote from beefdip:
I'm thinking of joining one but can't decide which. I find Jews to annoying, Islam is for nutters, Christian has too many pedophiles...buddist looked promising but I don't think they eat meat so that's not going to work.

Any suggestions?


There is not a best religion.

Know thyself!

Spirituality is the umbrella under which all religions fall.

Study the following.............meditation, consciousness, psychology, ego

12/2/2014 8:10:31 PMWhich is the best religion? 

olderthandirt20
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Personally I do well without one ( a religion )

12/2/2014 8:58:32 PMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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If there is such a thing as a religion that I could accept, it's love, simply love, of self, of others and of all that is.

Janice Joplin, " It's all the same f**kin day"

12/2/2014 11:29:09 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from maxwalbridge:
Become pacifist like me. You best be friendly.


130:7.2 When Ganid inquired what one could do to make friends, having noticed that the majority of persons whom they chanced to meet were attracted to Jesus, his teacher said: “Become interested in your fellows; learn how to love them and watch for the opportunity to do something for them which you are sure they want done,” and then he quoted the olden Jewish proverb—“A man who would have friends must show himself friendly.” -The Urantia Book


12/2/2014 11:34:36 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Religion might be like cameras. Which is the best camera? The best camera is the one you have with you.

Quote from asanb:
The best school is the one that graduates successful students.
The best religion is the one that you can leave behind when it has delivered you to the door.
Who needs rites and rituals, beliefs "knowledge", and dogmas when the object of all religions is supposed to be a personal union with, or revelation of, the divine?
The religion that is able to deliver a drop of that elixir is the best.


12/2/2014 11:38:02 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Beefdip, don't look for the best religion-- look for the TRUE religion. God is truth. When you find the truth you find God.

You'll never find it without prayer. Pray to God for Him to show you the truth, the true religion. He won't fail you.


Ludlow, most of the people on this thread are light years ahead of you. Nobody is buying your (paraphrased)" Pray to God and he will show you that the Catholic Church is the true religion."

12/3/2014 9:02:34 AMWhich is the best religion? 
mrhankchinaski
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Just stay away from Furch and his wacky Urantia sillyness.

He'll try and sell ya one OK f those dam books.

12/3/2014 12:47:43 PMWhich is the best religion? 

wayn49
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get to know God and you have the best

12/3/2014 1:20:40 PMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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Know your self, and then you shall see your personal perspective of divinity.

12/3/2014 1:27:01 PMWhich is the best religion? 

wayn49
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Know your self, and then you shall see your personal perspective of divinity.



its personal and when i speak what i do it is not saying to others get to know God like they do not or i am judging. i know where i am and i know i still need help because i am long from being perfect or holy. i want be holy until i see Jesus. the question was asked what is the best religion? truthfully they are all flawed but the one who can lead us in the right path is God

12/3/2014 5:56:22 PMWhich is the best religion? 
jester0011
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try the mormons

12/3/2014 9:02:14 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from wayn49:
its personal and when i speak what i do it is not saying to others get to know God like they do not or i am judging. i know where i am and i know i still need help because i am long from being perfect or holy. i want be holy until i see Jesus. the question was asked what is the best religion? truthfully they are all flawed but the one who can lead us in the right path is God


You say you know you need help? But you won't read The Urantia Book. Maybe the help you need is in there. What kind of help do you need?

Are you like the guy who was caught in a flood? As the waters rose he went higher and higher in his house until he was on the roof. A guy in a rowboat came by to rescue him, and he said, "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me. Then helicopter came by and dropped him rope ladder to climb up. And he waved them off telling them he was waiting for God to rescue him. Finally he drowned. When he got to heaven he asked God why he didn't rescue him. God said, I sent a rowboat and a helicopter. What more do you want?

The point is, God has sent you a new revelation and you won't read it. Maybe you're waiting for God to read it to you? So how do you expect to get the help you say you know you need if you reject things out of hand simply because they may not be exactly what you currently believe? I'm just asking.

12/3/2014 9:11:14 PMWhich is the best religion? 

fyathyrio
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There is a video called the quantum activist................it is quite good

12/4/2014 3:01:22 AMWhich is the best religion? 
asanb
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12/4/2014 3:43:31 AMWhich is the best religion? 
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12/4/2014 6:23:25 AMWhich is the best religion? 

wayn49
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Quote from furchizedek:
You say you know you need help? But you won't read The Urantia Book. Maybe the help you need is in there. What kind of help do you need?

Are you like the guy who was caught in a flood? As the waters rose he went higher and higher in his house until he was on the roof. A guy in a rowboat came by to rescue him, and he said, "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me. Then helicopter came by and dropped him rope ladder to climb up. And he waved them off telling them he was waiting for God to rescue him. Finally he drowned. When he got to heaven he asked God why he didn't rescue him. God said, I sent a rowboat and a helicopter. What more do you want?

The point is, God has sent you a new revelation and you won't read it. Maybe you're waiting for God to read it to you? So how do you expect to get the help you say you know you need if you reject things out of hand simply because they may not be exactly what you currently believe? I'm just asking.




let me ask you something, do you think you have all the answers? is the urantia book the same as the bible? what makes you think you are so right? you keep coming at me and why?


i do not believe in any other book then the bible.

12/4/2014 8:30:43 AMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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There's your problem, Wayn, you are already working with a flawed document, and you have the Gaul to Question another's information and beliefs??
Incredible

12/4/2014 9:01:05 AMWhich is the best religion? 

wayn49
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Quote from rufftreasure:
There's your problem, Wayn, you are already working with a flawed document, and you have the Gaul to Question another's information and beliefs??
Incredible




okay

12/4/2014 9:06:06 AMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from wayn49:
let me ask you something, do you think you have all the answers?


Not all the answers, but a whole lot more than you do. And more than Ludlow too. You and Ludlow are at about the same level.

is the urantia book the same as the bible?


Of course not. It's not supposed to be the same as the bible. Are any two books with different titles and purposes the same? What would be the point if it was the same? Is that your limit, only books that are the same as the bible? That's just silly. If they're the same as the bible then they are the bible and you've about maxed out your actual learning anything from the bible.

what makes you think you are so right?


I never said I was so right. But frankly, I know more than you do.

you keep coming at me and why?


Because, as you said, you still need help. Yet you refuse to look for it in anything that you don't already believe.

i do not believe in any other book then the bible.


Exactly. But why not? You don't even know what's in The Urantia Book. What are you so afraid of? No one is asking you to believe anything. We have a saying, "You have to read it to believe it." Don't you see that your fear of finding out anything new and maybe getting the help you say you know you need is because of your indoctrination?

"Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." -The Urantia Book

That knowledge is in The Urantia Book, the knowledge of the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it. And it's the only place you can find it. Maybe that's the help you need. Gather up your courage and read it. They say that there's about 21 days of Jesus' life in the NT, which is mostly about Paul anyway. As it is, it's like you're willfully stuck in the spiritual/religious 4th grade. You're not going to learn anything new in the sect you're in. Do you see Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses or Catholics actually advancing spiritually and religiously? No. And your Seventh Day Adventist sect is no different.

12/4/2014 9:15:49 AMWhich is the best religion? 

rufftreasure
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Quote from wayn49:
okay


Cool we agree

12/4/2014 9:27:14 AMWhich is the best religion? 

wayn49
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Quote from furchizedek:
Exactly. But why not? You don't even know what's in The Urantia Book. What are you so afraid of? No one is asking you to believe anything. We have a saying, "You have to read it to believe it." Don't you see that your fear of finding out anything new and maybe getting the help you say you know you need is because of your indoctrination?

"Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." -The Urantia Book

That knowledge is in The Urantia Book, the knowledge of the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it. And it's the only place you can find it. Maybe that's the help you need. Gather up your courage and read it. They say that there's about 21 days of Jesus' life in the NT, which is mostly about Paul anyway. As it is, it's like you're willfully stuck in the spiritual/religious 4th grade. You're not going to learn anything new in the sect you're in. Do you see Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses or Catholics actually advancing spiritually and religiously? No. And your Seventh Day Adventist sect is no different.




i am seventh day adventist not catholic

12/4/2014 10:05:43 AMWhich is the best religion? 

ludlowlowell
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Isn't the Urantia book a racist book?

12/4/2014 12:38:22 PMWhich is the best religion? 

wayn49
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Isn't the Urantia book a racist book?




i do not know lud but i read the bible only other then other books just for the reading to enlighten your spiritual walk. but the bible not urantia book is all you need

12/4/2014 1:41:45 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from wayn49:
i am seventh day adventist not catholic


It's the same mindset, SDA, Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, Catholics. The same closed mind drives each of those religions.

12/4/2014 1:42:07 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Isn't the Urantia book a racist book?


No, it's not.

12/4/2014 1:43:07 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from wayn49:
i do not know lud but i read the bible only other then other books just for the reading to enlighten your spiritual walk. but the bible not urantia book is all you need


Lud would not agree with that. He'd say that you need the Catholic Church to interpret the bible for you.

12/4/2014 1:52:14 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from furchizedek:
Lud would not agree with that. He'd say that you need the Catholic Church to interpret the bible for you.


And that's why Ludlow doesn't do what Jesus clearly said. He follows the Catholic Church's interpretation instead. And if you tell him this, he wants to argue with you instead of arguing with Jesus who commanded him in no uncertain terms to:

"Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

12/4/2014 3:46:10 PMWhich is the best religion? 

ludlowlowell
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Furch, do your kids call you Dad?

12/4/2014 6:08:37 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Furch, do your kids call you Dad?


Your argument is with Jesus, not with me.

Jesus, not me, says:

"Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

What does calling your earthly father "Dad" have to do with the clear meaning that you are trying to avoid from Jesus? Let's say he's not talking about your Dad. Then what is he talking about? Clearly he's talking about not doing exactly what you Catholics do. Are the priests your Dad? Pretend that Jesus is asking you, "Are the priests your Dad?" How many clever sophistries are you going to employ to ignore Him? Try them all out on Jesus. Perhaps he won't catch on to what you're doing. Ya think?

When you pray to God or directly to Jesus if you can avoid using Mary as an intercessor, ask God or Jesus WTF Jesus was talking about. Don't ask me.

12/4/2014 8:04:40 PMWhich is the best religion? 
asanb
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"Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." -The Urantia Book

No, the most important knowledge is that knowledge of the self that reveals the divine within the self. Knowledge of the divinity within is the only direct bond to the all conscious and the only path to liberation. Good deeds and moral life based on Jesus teachings is a starting point for guidance in dealing with mortal life, but it does not unlock the door.
Meditation is the active path towards finding the key to open the door.
One cannot become the disciple of a saint that has left the body, as Jesus has. For real knowledge and spiritual awakening , a living master is required.

12/4/2014 8:18:40 PMWhich is the best religion? 
asanb
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Sant sevi:

"The teachers of the worldly sciences can teach those worldly subjects, but when we come to the science of spirituality, only the accomplished spiritual teacher can give these teachings of the spiritual path. All the wisdom in the sacred texts points to the importance of a teacher. This mysterious path is described in the holy books, but it cannot be found simply by the study of sacred texts. It is found by the grace and guidance of an accomplished teacher.Saint Maharishi Mehi says:
Without the grace of an accomplished teacher, we cannot find the path. This has not happened in the past, nor will it happen in the future. It is essential to have this grace of a teacher.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji says:
O Feeble Disciples! Take refuge in Guru. Go, get the key to this (spiritual) gate from an accomplished teacher if you want to open this tenth gate, the gateway to the spiritual realms. None other has the key to open this gate."


The Tenth gate is a reference to the "single eye" that Jesus spoke of; the Tisra til, or third eye, where our true self resides when we are conscious. "if thine eye be single....."

12/4/2014 8:59:23 PMWhich is the best religion? 

ludlowlowell
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If "call no man father were taken literally we could not even call our own natural fathers "father".

12/4/2014 11:51:24 PMWhich is the best religion? 

furchizedek
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If "call no man father were taken literally we could not even call our own natural fathers "father".


Argue with Jesus.

Just stand up tall and yell out to Jesus: "But Jesus, if "call no man father were taken literally we could not even call our own natural fathers "father"."

Argue with Him.

Why do you call him Lord and say that you love him, and then refuse to do as he says? Even He wants to know that.

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

Well, why, Ludlow? Answer Jesus. Tell Jesus why you call him Lord and yet you refuse to do the things which He says. Go ahead. Maybe you can give him one of your snowjobs.

12/5/2014 12:58:09 AMWhich is the best religion? 
clarencec
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If "call no man father were taken literally we could not even call our own natural fathers "father".

True. In his book The Authentic Gospel of Jesus NT scholar Geza Vermes attributes the "Call no man your father on earth" command to the besandalled Saviour's fondness for exaggeration.

26. Modesty in using titles (Matt. 23:8-11)

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called master for you have one master, the Christ. He who is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Part of this maxim has already been touched upon in chapter 2, no. 15C.

The saying has been inserted into the diatribe against scribes and Pharisees, but judging from the style, the original setting is didactic and not polemical. The general message, summarized in the concluding verse, is one of humility, which characterizes the preaching of Jesus. The same theme may also be found in Mark 9:35: 'If any one would be first, he must be last of all and servant of all' (see also Mark 10:43-44; Matt. 2.0:26-27; Luke 22:26).

The workers for the Kingdom of God must shun honorific titles such as Rabbi. This was the polite way of addressing a teacher or a leading figure. In the age of Jesus it did not yet possess the later specific connotation, i.e. a person trained in the Jewish law and qualified to make binding legal decisions. While he was alive, Jesus alone was called Rabbi or Teacher (didaskalos in Greek) within the circle of his disciples. The other members of his group were referred to as pupils (mathetai). The same point is made in Matthew 23:10, showing that in the terminology of the church there was only one kathegetes, the Master par excellence, the Christ. Finally, the absolute prohibition on calling any human being 'father' because only God is truly Father is an exaggeration verging on the intolerable. The style belongs to the same class as the hyperbolic prohibition on addressing Jesus as 'good' because only God deserves this description (see Mark 10:17-18; cf. chapter 8, no. 14). But Jesus could hardly have objected to a child calling his or her father, 'father'. Is it conceivable that the criticism was aimed at pious individuals surnamed 'Abba' (Father), such as the miracle-worker Abba Hilkiah and others (see chapter 1, no. 9)? But Hasidim surely would not have agreed to be called 'Abba' if that entailed the usurpation of a title of God. An anecdote about Abba Hilkiah preserved in the Talmud makes this plain: 'When the world was in need of rain, the rabbis used to send schoolchildren to him [Hilkiah], who seized the hem of his cloak and said to him, "Abba, Abba, give us rain!" He said to God, "Lord of the Universe, help those who cannot distinguish between the Abba who gives rain and the Abba who does not'" (bTaan 23 b). Consequently the most likely explanation of the prohibition issued by Jesus against calling anyone 'father' on earth lies in his fondness for exaggeration.


12/5/2014 12:59:04 AMWhich is the best religion? 

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Furchizedek, if you will read Exodus 3:15, Acts 3:13, and Acts 7:32, you will see that "call no man father" is not to be interpreted literally.

And why don't you throw that racist Urantia Book of yours in the garbage? Aren't we beyond racism now?

12/5/2014 5:51:57 AMWhich is the best religion? 

sail_dancer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Furchizedek, if you will read Exodus 3:15, Acts 3:13, and Acts 7:32, you will see that "call no man father" is not to be interpreted literally.

And why don't you throw that racist Urantia Book of yours in the garbage? Aren't we beyond racism now?


And you should throw that nonsense book you call the bible in the garbage also.

Peace

12/5/2014 7:28:00 AMWhich is the best religion? 

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Furchizedek, if you will read Exodus 3:15, Acts 3:13, and Acts 7:32, you will see that "call no man father" is not to be interpreted literally.

And why don't you throw that racist Urantia Book of yours in the garbage? Aren't we beyond racism now?


Did you know , Lud,that the recipe for the sacred anointing oil is in Exodus. Made up of 75% cannabis???

12/5/2014 9:23:59 AMWhich is the best religion? 

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Ludlow, you have the same problem as slowpoke. You both are brainwashed book worshippers. You both know damn well the Bible was compiled/written by early church leaders when they still believed it was righteous and godly to torture, stone and burn people to death at the stake. And you know differently now, don't you, ludlow? The Bible is rampant with the killing (murder) of people for all sorts of absurd reasons and if you profess to be a Christian follower of Jesus you should not believe God orders man to kill people for Him. That's just ludicrous. That's not the nature of God that Jesus divinely revealed and taught and you should know it. If you do not then you shouldn't call yourself a Christian. Its delusional blasphemy for you to profess to be a Christian and still continue to believe and teach that God orders man to kill people as if you never heard of the life and teachings of Jesus.

12/5/2014 9:29:09 AMWhich is the best religion? 
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12/5/2014 9:48:51 AMWhich is the best religion? 

masterweber
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what is religion???

Are y'all really trying to turn God manual instructions Hebrew book of laws into a religion to make up your on laws ???

Judges,,lawyers and judgement mimic it contexts of being sentenced for a ((wrongful act of sins))base it court foundation from where???

The murder for hire of libertarian pagan liberty's manipulating society with false colleges of doctors scientists surgical degrees,,

of having hire brainwash doctors/scientists in society like they curing or helping people to found cures for conspiracy diseases..

Why ABC alphabet letters words of many languages keep changing???

I'll bet it because of trying to benefits off of God healing plants sources...

I see that they trying to easy they way like,,

I discover the cure for this and that,,

but God Hebrew book of life manual instructions created it,,gave it a original language name and told you with it use for before a disease came in society....



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