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12/15/2014 9:04:46 AMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
San Antonio, TX
54, joined Nov. 2014


I don't understand why people say they are a believer of god and be preaching about god then ask for money and you tell them you don't have any money all of a sudden the Christian side gone and they just start calling you all kinds of names using profanity and block you it makes no sense to me

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12/15/2014 9:50:08 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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Is that the kind of treatment you are getting over yonder in the Christians Only group??

12/15/2014 10:27:18 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

wolfyhp
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Bradley, CA
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Because there are all kinds of humans out there, and some are rotten. You will, unfortunately, find them among many groups of people. Some even call themselves Christian.

I left one church after a meeting with the pastor. He called me into his office to ask me why I wasn't giving ten percent of my meager income to the church. I actually was giving to the church, but I put it loose in the plate instead of using the offering envelopes which they provided. He told me that the church needed to keep track of how much I was giving, so I had to use their envelopes. I told him that I am poor, I already give more than I can spare and do without some things, and that my offerings are between me and God. They were more concerned with my money than my soul. I have ran into a few churches out there like that.

Thankfully, there are good Christians and good churches out there. I have friends who truly live the message of Yeshua, and I know a few good churches.

12/15/2014 10:49:05 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

maxwalbridge
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Redwood City, CA
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Quote from dontbother68:
I don't understand why people say they are a believer of god and be preaching about god then ask for money and you tell them you don't have any money all of a sudden the Christian side gone and they just start calling you all kinds of names using profanity and block you it makes no sense to me


Why would God need my money? I would believe that he can just create wealth at his whim.

12/15/2014 10:52:39 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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I will give directly to those in need right in front of me.

12/15/2014 11:02:06 AMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
San Antonio, TX
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I just asked because I am a Christian but this guy told me he was Christian and his altitude changed I don't understand

12/15/2014 11:48:24 AMWhy do Christians scam? 
richie0567
Tunnel Hill, GA
50, joined Sep. 2011


Sorry can't help to respond to this post kinda caught my attention
Sad that a person or group would call themselves Christian and Twist the Bible for their Belief Bible does use a 10% example it also uses 30% from all tribes giving to the Levi tribe ( priest tribe in Old Testament) and also says let a man give as he is able that's paraphrased . Example we see with Jesus is that lady who gave very little in amount but story goes she gave the most cause she gave all she had basically morale of that story God looks at % of what you give no % really given in New Testament
BIBLE DOES warn of many false teaching and ect
So called Christian should be treating all with Love and Kindness as Jesus did not pushing folks away cause they disagree with what another believes
Lady at the well example her people were looked to be lower class but Jesus still talked with her and drew water with her I think she was also a harlot ( I can be wrong on that ) but she hand many husband's and Jesus told her in short to repent and not sin again that's paraphrased
These churches demanding 10% simple solution don't go
Why would God need money ?
Great question .
He don't However there's the cost of building a building electric water materials and upkeep of the physical matter and song books instruments to play music all cost $$ shorty said it takes some sort of $$ to run a church
Pastors get paid a salary by the church Generally set by the Deacons of a church voted on by the Members of a Church
each Church is suppose to have a meeting and accountability for how the money is spent and budgeted
These multi million dollar preachers I just don't see that to me they are using the $$ falsely
beware of false teachers

12/15/2014 1:04:34 PMWhy do Christians scam? 
clarencec
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If I was a Christian I'd begrudge contributing to a church just so's I could go there and worship. It seems to me that people could do that quite well at home, in fact Jesus himself advocates the merits of praying in private and not making a big show of it. I don't mind paying a monthly subscription to attend a gym. Would it be a good idea for churches to provide more of a useful public service by being kitted out with gym equipment and having sermons, prayers and hymns piped over a PA system I wonder? It couldn't be any worse than the music they play at my gym, which is mostly some sort of annoying techno disco affair. I suppose you'd still get parishoners with advanced physiques emblazoned with tattoos who'd make a big show of things by grunting and banging weights down heavily after a challenging exercise set.



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12/15/2014 1:14:27 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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Quote from clarencec:
If I was a Christian I'd begrudge contributing to a church just so's I could go there and worship. It seems to me that people could do that quite well at home, in fact Jesus himself advocates the merits of praying in private and not making a big show of it. I don't mind paying a monthly subscription to attend a gym. Would it be a good idea for churches to provide more of a useful public service by being kitted out with gym equipment and having sermons, prayers and hymns piped over a PA system I wonder? It couldn't be any worse than the music they play at my gym, which is mostly some sort of annoying techno disco affair. I suppose you'd still get parishoners with advanced physiques emblazoned with tattoos who'd make a big show of things by grunting and banging weights down heavily after a challenging exercise set.


There were never church buildings back when Jesus began a spiritual movement. They that were like minded before the dogma and doctrine met at the homes and tended well to the real needs of the people. They cared for their own and did not concern themselves with a fancy building , pomp and ceremony, or convulted dogma and doctrine. They simply loved one another!!

12/15/2014 3:23:32 PMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
San Antonio, TX
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I can understand if I was at church yes but this man on this site ask me for money he went from preaching the bible to calling me names when I said no I don't understand that

12/15/2014 4:11:30 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

furchizedek
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Quote from dontbother68:
I can understand if I was at church yes but this man on this site ask me for money he went from preaching the bible to calling me names when I said no I don't understand that


Who was it? Name names. Maybe we know about this person and can bring you up to speed on him.

12/15/2014 6:19:27 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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She is fairly new and was targeted, IMO

12/15/2014 8:15:02 PMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
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His name is Larrybarnhill this is what he is under on here and Facebook thank you so much

12/15/2014 9:02:29 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

furchizedek
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Quote from dontbother68:
His name is Larrybarnhill this is what he is under on here and Facebook thank you so much


Hmm. I am not familiar with that DH name at all. Maybe some of the others know who he is. I'm sure he hasn't been on this religion forum with that name. What forum did you meet him on here on DH?

Oh, I see he's listed as being from the UK, Tir PolTir Pol, United Kingdom. But he shows as not having made any posts, from what I can tell. How did he contact you? By DH Message?

Frankly, I an't tell where Tir PolTir Pol, United Kingdom is.

CLARENCE?

12/15/2014 9:26:45 PMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
San Antonio, TX
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On the introduction is how I met him

12/15/2014 9:31:33 PMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
San Antonio, TX
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Yes he is from the UK and he told me he is a Christian and we talked for three months and then he said he had to go work in India and they could not pay him could I that is when he went off and block me from here and Facebook

12/15/2014 11:19:03 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

furchizedek
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Quote from dontbother68:
On the introduction is how I met him


Odd. It doesn't show that he's made any posts on his profile page. They must not count posts on the Introduction forum, for some reason.

I'd say, just disappear from his view. Don't post there any more. Maybe he's just here preying on people, looking for some easy money.

12/16/2014 1:34:15 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Just because a person calls themselves a Christian doesn't make them one.

12/16/2014 3:26:41 AMWhy do Christians scam? 
dontbother68
San Antonio, TX
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Ok thank you so much and god bless to all of you for the information..

12/16/2014 3:48:39 AMWhy do Christians scam? 
richie0567
Tunnel Hill, GA
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Quote from erikbenn:
Just because a person calls themselves a Christian doesn't make them one.


That was well said and short awesome hit the nail on the head

12/16/2014 9:14:55 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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My theory is that christianity teaches unquestioning submission & it makes christians prime targets for predatory scams.

It's easier to shear a sheep than shave a wolf.

12/16/2014 9:23:44 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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^^^^^
I agree dirt

12/17/2014 2:03:58 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Quote from richie0567:
That was well said and short awesome hit the nail on the head
Thank you.

12/17/2014 3:38:48 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

sail_dancer
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
My theory is that christianity teaches unquestioning submission & it makes christians prime targets for predatory scams.

It's easier to shear a sheep than shave a wolf.




Peace

12/17/2014 4:02:23 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
My theory is that christianity teaches unquestioning submission & it makes christians prime targets for predatory scams.

It's easier to shear a sheep than shave a wolf.


Case in point; Jim & Tammy Bakker

In the midst of Heritage USA's high point, when it earned $126 million per year, the IRS revoked its tax exemption. Soon after Bakker's federal indictment and public condemnation over his sexual affair, attendance dropped at Heritage. Falwell argued that "PTL's Heritage USA complex in Fort Mill was competing unfairly against tax-paying tourist attractions, and that the tax-exempt ministry should be separated from the running of hotels and amusement parks." Under Falwell's leadership, Heritage USA sought chapter 11 bankruptcy protection with debts estimated at $72 million.[5]
The 165,000 people who gave $1,000 to Jim Bakker's planned Heritage USA hotel tower in return for promised four-day vacation stays received $6.54 each. Starting in 1987, however, Bakker's legal and personal troubles made headlines, and in September 1989 Hurricane Hugo caused severe damage to many of the buildings. Heritage USA closed shortly after the storm.' />

12/18/2014 2:02:46 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
Case in point; Jim & Tammy Bakker

In the midst of Heritage USA's high point, when it earned $126 million per year, the IRS revoked its tax exemption. Soon after Bakker's federal indictment and public condemnation over his sexual affair, attendance dropped at Heritage. Falwell argued that "PTL's Heritage USA complex in Fort Mill was competing unfairly against tax-paying tourist attractions, and that the tax-exempt ministry should be separated from the running of hotels and amusement parks." Under Falwell's leadership, Heritage USA sought chapter 11 bankruptcy protection with debts estimated at $72 million.[5]
The 165,000 people who gave $1,000 to Jim Bakker's planned Heritage USA hotel tower in return for promised four-day vacation stays received $6.54 each. Starting in 1987, however, Bakker's legal and personal troubles made headlines, and in September 1989 Hurricane Hugo caused severe damage to many of the buildings. Heritage USA closed shortly after the storm.' />
again, saying your Christian doesn't make you one.

12/18/2014 9:36:39 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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The same could be said of anyone, including you, Ericben

12/18/2014 12:52:34 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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Quote from erikbenn:
again, saying your Christian doesn't make you one.


You missed the point again eric and yet you demonstrate my point exactly.


Quoted from my earlier post
My theory is that christianity teaches unquestioning submission & it makes christians prime targets for predatory scams.

It's easier to shear a sheep than shave a wolf.


christians are willing to believe anything that they are told if it comes from a position of authority in a church.
They accept because they are taught to believe without question.
That is how the bakker,s bilked so much money from them.
And many others have become prosperous using religion

12/18/2014 1:09:39 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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Anything spiritual should not be done for personal gain ever!!!
This is where churches have lost their focus

Ohhhhhhhh but we need money to maintain the church building??
Not if you don't have one to maintain.
The early movement was very much a communal thing and were able to care for their own, especially the poor, the widowed, and the orphoned.
There's churches now with beautiful buildings , and why so many on welfare, widowed, orphans and poor???
Cuz, if the churches cared more for the people than fancy buildings, we wouldn't have a state of welfare!!!

Epic fail, ........ churches are, regarding caring for the people. They do a percentage of helping but not what they should be doing.

12/19/2014 1:41:27 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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@ erikbenn I see you are in Spokane are you familiar with the UGM there?

12/19/2014 1:46:31 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Yes I am familiar with it.

12/19/2014 2:00:55 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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I thought you looked familiar but I didn't place you till now. Didn't you work at the Trent ave shelter for a while?

12/19/2014 2:05:39 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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No I didn't work there.

12/19/2014 2:16:48 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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Oh I thought you looked like someone I had seen working with Phil Altermyer

12/19/2014 2:17:11 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

ludlowlowell
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online now!


All I can say is, if you're gonna give money to any charity, religious or secular, check it out thoroughly first. Don't let the wolves in sheep's clothing shear you.

"Test the spirits", say the scriptures. I say test the charities as well.

12/19/2014 2:17:34 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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I never met the man.

12/19/2014 3:03:37 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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Oh well my mistake.

12/22/2014 3:43:45 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

sail_dancer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
"Test the spirits", say the scriptures. I say test the charities as well.


I say test the claims made by christian dogma ..... but first you must find something in that dogma that is actually testable ..... kinda hard to test things that don't exist.

Peace

12/22/2014 7:47:12 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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Yes, Sail test the doctrines, instead of those who may be accused of being a witch( even if they might be one) as per Clarencec's vid in the other thread!!

12/25/2014 5:15:15 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

furchizedek
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
All I can say is, if you're gonna give money to any charity, religious or secular, check it out thoroughly first. Don't let the wolves in sheep's clothing shear you.

"Test the spirits", say the scriptures. I say test the charities as well.



"Test the spirits" apparently only means to see if what the spirits say agrees with what you already believe.

From one Christian site:

The test is to compare what is being taught with the clear teaching of the Bible. The Bible alone is the Word of God; it alone is inspired and inerrant. Therefore, the way to test the spirits is to see if what is being taught is in line with the clear teaching of Scripture. In Acts 17:10-11 the Berean Jews were commended because, after they heard the teachings of Paul and Silas, they “examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.” The Bereans were called “noble” for doing so. Testing the spirits means that one must know how to “examine the Scriptures.”


It's simply circular reasoning all over again.

There is no way to "test the spirits."

"Test the spirits" is a stupid admonition.

"The test is to compare what is being taught with the clear teaching of the Bible," it says above.

What is being taught? "We don't have to do what Jesus said if we don't want to."

What is the clear teaching of the bible, even the clear teaching of the Son of God? "Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

Thus, if you test the spirits of the Catholic church, you find that they are of Satan and his minions. What they teach is not the same as the clear teachings of the bible. The Catholic, pedophile church is an abomination. "Bless me Father, for I have sinned." Indeed they have. "Father (in heaven) forgive them for they know not what they do."

12/25/2014 6:51:27 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Tests all false doctrines, even witches.

12/25/2014 6:57:50 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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What?? Eriben to see if they float or burn??

Ain't that what it comes to??

12/25/2014 7:59:26 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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Quote from erikbenn:
Tests all false doctrines, even witches.



Evidently you haven't tested all of your bible. you seem to buy all of it on faith only.

12/25/2014 8:48:04 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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It's easy to have faith in what God says when you test Him constantly and He always keeps His Word whether, immediately or in His own time.

12/25/2014 8:56:40 PMWhy do Christians scam? 
naturebiy
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Thailand
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Quote from dontbother68:
I just asked because I am a Christian but this guy told me he was Christian and his altitude changed I don't understand


People will claim to be anything they have to when they are trying to scam.

Isnt it possible that the guy was not Christian? Yet only saying that

12/26/2014 1:45:53 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

olderthandirt20
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You have no clue what god has said you only take king james word that god said anything.
I doubt you have ever read an original manuscript that was part of the bible.
And even that was assembled and reassembled many times by men not gods.
Council of Nicaea the Emperor Constantine 325 AD was the first editor.

Have you ever wondered why kings,emperors and leaders would rewrite gods word?

12/26/2014 2:33:25 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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God never changes. His promises were true yesterday, are true today and will always be true.

12/26/2014 11:02:25 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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Those are pat answers, much like a robotlike cult member.

12/27/2014 12:33:49 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Test God then, rufftreasure. You guys claim to be open minded well the put God to the tests.

12/27/2014 1:03:43 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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What ,you think I have never read the Bible, or tested God???



You know what I learned from that????

We can blame no one, not the debil or some God.
We,and we alone, are the responsible for our choices and the results from those choices.

Testing God is mearly testing ourselves, in light of that.

12/27/2014 1:22:27 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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So no you haven't tested God if you can make that claim. No human being is, nor will they ever be a God, or Goddess. You have to be without sin to be God.

12/27/2014 1:26:08 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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So says you from your book, which I do not subscribe.

You, or your halfbaked book, have zero authority over me.

12/27/2014 1:28:19 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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I have no authority over anyone. It's God who has authority over everyone.

12/27/2014 1:33:24 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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That's right you don't.

12/27/2014 1:51:12 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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That's right God does.

12/27/2014 2:17:18 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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If God exists, it's energy of both the feminine and masculine sacred.

12/27/2014 2:22:31 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

erikbenn
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Does God have to fit in your God box for Him to exist?

12/27/2014 2:39:06 PMWhy do Christians scam? 

rufftreasure
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Look Eric, we have entirely different God/ Goddess boxes , go back to yours will you, because you're definition and mine will never, ever match ,or come close.
So that's a good boy, off you go.

12/28/2014 12:31:10 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

furchizedek
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Look Eric, we have entirely different God/ Goddess boxes , go back to yours will you, because you're definition and mine will never, ever match ,or come close.
So that's a good boy, off you go.


I'd help you out with this one but he's got me blocked.

12/28/2014 7:57:42 AMWhy do Christians scam? 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from erikbenn:
Test God then, rufftreasure. You guys claim to be open minded well the put God to the tests.


okay, i'll bite. i was a christian until i was sixteen and never could figure out how to 'test god.' so what are the procedures that i can use to test god? remember as a christian who joined his family at sunday school and church weekly i've already the things that you keep paroting about asking god, jesus and the holy spirit and such crap so give me something new. something i haven't tried.