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12/18/2014 2:31:56 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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Self moving "rocks" on Mars from 2009, NASA photos. Can anyone say what this is? Clarence, how about you?






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12/18/2014 3:29:47 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
luxorus
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There could be life on Mars...

The pic is compelling but not proof, and I'd be more skeptical about NASA announcing proof within five years of finding evidence.

12/18/2014 5:54:54 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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Possible photo manipulation.

12/18/2014 12:36:06 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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Quote from luxorus:
There could be life on Mars...

The pic is compelling but not proof, and I'd be more skeptical about NASA announcing proof within five years of finding evidence.


I don't think NASA wants to announce anything at any time.

IN a story about the Rosetta Comet today (and the ESA), they're trying to find out where the lander is and the story said, "At scientific sessions this afternoon, Rosetta scientists showed a number of new photos that are not yet cleared for release to public."

http://gizmodo.com/rosetta-update-what-it-found-whats-next-1672274557

Not yet cleared for release to the public?

Why is that?

12/18/2014 12:43:07 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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Quote from clarencec:
Possible photo manipulation.


By NASA? In 2009? You can find the photos for yourself. Just Google the picture numbers, Sol 1830, 1833, 1836, 1843. Maybe one more too, I can't remember. Anyway, only 3 of them are relevant to this moving rock idea. I posted crops from them that I cropped myself. But anyone can see the originals. It would seem that something got by the censors without getting airbrushed out or blurred out. That's probably why the new Rosetta photos looking for Philae are not yet cleared for the public yet. They have to be very careful and sometimes they slip up and let pictures through that they didn't screen well enough.

I am sympathetic to your skepticism, Clarence, really I am. But... there are far too many anomalies on Mars and they can't seem to cover them all up when the release the photos. They get a lot of them but some slip through. But as Ludlow recently said, "I am an open minded guy" and I'm open to ideas on this. But "photo manipulation" without any more to go on in this case probably isn't going to fly.

12/18/2014 4:02:57 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Bump

12/18/2014 4:05:18 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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It should be noted, that from what I can tell from other comments, that the object in question is about the size of a basketball or a beachball perhaps.

12/19/2014 2:31:29 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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If they proved that there was some kind of life on Mars, or on any other planet, moon, or star, that wouldn't disturb my faith any.

12/19/2014 1:02:58 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If they proved that there was some kind of life on Mars, or on any other planet, moon, or star, that wouldn't disturb my faith any.


Nor mine. Agreed.

12/20/2014 5:22:36 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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A poster on this Facebook site may have cracked the case of the moving Mars rocks.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150924258868433&set=a.10150930643938433.439736.369587468432&type=3



                                                                   

Check out this picture for an idea of how far away the pictured rock group is from the rover. It then becomes easier to accept that that pesky dark rock that appears to move about a lot is probably further away than it appears on the cropped picture and the apparaent positional change is created by movement of the rover. I'm reasonably convinced anyway. No implausible conspiracy theories required.

               

12/20/2014 10:17:58 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Hmm. Possibly. But it's still hard for me to see how that one rock "seems" to have moved that far. How far away is it compared to the say, "armadillo" rock? Don't these rovers have any laser range-finding devices on them, or sonar, or radar, so everyone can tell how far away things are?

Speaking of that, what's with the banding on the armadillo looking rock?



Quote from clarencec:
A poster on this Facebook site may have cracked the case of the moving Mars rocks.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150924258868433&set=a.10150930643938433.439736.369587468432&type=3



                                                                   

Check out this picture for an idea of how far away the pictured rock group is from the rover. It then becomes easier to accept that that pesky dark rock that appears to move about a lot is probably further away than it appears on the cropped picture and the apparaent positional change is created by movement of the rover. I'm reasonably convinced anyway. No implausible conspiracy theories required.

               


12/21/2014 7:38:54 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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Quote from furchizedek:
Hmm. Possibly. But it's still hard for me to see how that one rock "seems" to have moved that far. How far away is it compared to the say, "armadillo" rock? Don't these rovers have any laser range-finding devices on them, or sonar, or radar, so everyone can tell how far away things are?

Speaking of that, what's with the banding on the armadillo looking rock?

I agree, It's hard to see how the dark rock has moved so far. Printing off and comparing these larger versions of the three images side by side may help. I could reduce 'em for posting on the forum adjacently (valid word?) but I think they'd lose too much detail. I've reduced them already to 700 pixels. If you visit the Facebook page, links to large versions of around 1400 pixels are available.

                       
                       
                       



[Edited 12/21/2014 7:41:23 AM ]

12/22/2014 1:48:45 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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Quote from clarencec:

I agree, It's hard to see how the dark rock has moved so far. Printing off and comparing these larger versions of the three images side by side may help. I could reduce 'em for posting on the forum adjacently (valid word?) but I think they'd lose too much detail. I've reduced them already to 700 pixels. If you visit the Facebook page, links to large versions of around 1400 pixels are available.


I went to Google Images and the largest pictures I could find there are 1024 x 1024. I'm ASSuming that Google Images has the largest available but I donno. I don't do Facebook. Could you post the links to the larger versions? Perhaps that person enlarged them from the possibly original 1024 x 1024, which of course would not give any more detail either.

12/23/2014 12:38:53 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Note, in the bottom photo, if you enlarge it some, you will see that the tail, tongue, or flipper, D, is splayed at the end

12/23/2014 3:50:17 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
naturebiy
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Did they ever debunk the Apollo 20 videos and pictures that was floating around?

Like the woman that was supposedly found in the mothership with ancient technology attached to her face?

And the videos of the astronauts in the ancient structures.

12/23/2014 4:06:37 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
naturebiy
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and what was this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83v5Rgeu2Yc

12/23/2014 4:11:58 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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Quote from furchizedek:
I went to Google Images and the largest pictures I could find there are 1024 x 1024. I'm ASSuming that Google Images has the largest available but I donno. I don't do Facebook. Could you post the links to the larger versions? Perhaps that person enlarged them from the possibly original 1024 x 1024, which of course would not give any more detail either.

I don't do Facebook either but I picture searched your opening post and Facebook is where I found the pics and discussion. 1024 is the largest available size.

12/23/2014 12:46:58 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Quote from naturebiy:
Did they ever debunk the Apollo 20 videos and pictures that was floating around?

Like the woman that was supposedly found in the mothership with ancient technology attached to her face?

And the videos of the astronauts in the ancient structures.


I never heard of any of that.

According to Wikipedia, "Apollo 18, 19 and 20, were canceled."

12/23/2014 2:05:24 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
naturebiy
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Quote from furchizedek:
I never heard of any of that.

According to Wikipedia, "Apollo 18, 19 and 20, were canceled."


There was pictures and 8mm film that a so called russian astronaut released of the so called cancled Apollo 20 mission.

I think the guy was Russian

12/24/2014 2:46:03 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Quote from naturebiy:
There was pictures and 8mm film that a so called russian astronaut released of the so called cancled Apollo 20 mission.

I think the guy was Russian


Do you have a link where we can see this or read about it?

12/24/2014 6:44:40 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
naturebiy
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http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2011/06/nasa-photo-is-proof-of-apollo-20.html?m=1


uoteheader]Quote from furchizedek:
Do you have a link where we can see this or read about it?


I googled and came up with these..but it seems to have some of the videos.. not a reputable site, but it still has some pictures and videos on it.

12/24/2014 11:43:25 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Quote from naturebiy:
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2011/06/nasa-photo-is-proof-of-apollo-20.html?m=1


uoteheader]Quote from furchizedek:
Do you have a link where we can see this or read about it?


I googled and came up with these..but it seems to have some of the videos.. not a reputable site, but it still has some pictures and videos on it.


Yeah, interesting but I don't know what the truth is. Same for this one from your post above. I donno.:

and what was this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83v5Rgeu2Yc

I think there's a lot of "alien" truth out there but there's a lot of crap and mis direction too. It's hard to tell what's what. And that may be what someone is trying to do.



[Edited 12/24/2014 11:45:20 PM ]

12/26/2014 2:34:28 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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A new computer and 23 inch monitor helped greatly in performing a spell of rock spotting on these pics. Study the corresponding letters and you can see how several of the background rocks can be seen to have shifted with the change in Rover position. It's even possible to see the tips of the mysterious dark rock and its companion concealed behind the large white rock on the second photo down. The uppermost "F" I typed on the top pic is a mistake. Ignore that one and focus on the lower "F" and it's corresponding one in the middle photo, which marks a distinctive triangular rock.



12/26/2014 3:01:06 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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Look at the middle and lower picture and see how the square black rock you've circled with a question mark has shifted with its close triangular companion from the other side of the "armadillo" rock, evidently due to the shift in Rover position. I've marked 'em "H" and "J".





[Edited 12/26/2014 3:02:44 PM ]

12/26/2014 4:50:27 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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Hmm. Very interesting. Good work too. (I have a 22 inch and a 20 inch monitor, side by side. What were you using before? An Atari? Haha!)

Hard to believe all that stuff could shift that far just from a bit of perspective change. But it seems to be so. However... what if D and E are actually one rock, one "critter"? Their relative positions across all three pictures seem to be exactly the same.

And what do you make out of the splayed "tail" or tongue looking thing at the right end of the "armadillo" at the top picture? It reminds of of an anglerfish, with something hanging out and down. Also, it does look as though the area just in front of the "mouth" has been cleared and the small rocks and dirt have been brushed off down and left where the ground color and texture changes.

Quote from clarencec:
A new computer and 23 inch monitor helped greatly in performing a spell of rock spotting on these pics. Study the corresponding letters and you can see how several of the background rocks can be seen to have shifted with the change in Rover position. It's even possible to see the tips of the mysterious dark rock and its companion concealed behind the large white rock on the second photo down. The uppermost "F" I typed on the top pic is a mistake. Ignore that one and focus on the lower "F" and it's corresponding one in the middle photo, which marks a distinctive triangular rock.



12/26/2014 7:09:02 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 
clarencec
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Hmm. Very interesting. Good work too. (I have a 22 inch and a 20 inch monitor, side by side. What were you using before? An Atari? Haha!)

A 17 inch laptop. I can see now why you don't have a problem with stretching the page width, but personally I'd still recommend restricting image width to a max of around 700 - 800 pixels for the benefit of members using laptops and tablets.

what if D and E are actually one rock, one "critter"? Their relative positions across all three pictures seem to be exactly the same.

It's either one rock or two close together.

And what do you make out of the splayed "tail" or tongue looking thing at the right end of the "armadillo" at the top picture? It reminds of of an anglerfish, with something hanging out and down. Also, it does look as though the area just in front of the "mouth" has been cleared and the small rocks and dirt have been brushed off down and left where the ground color and texture changes.

Tails and tongues I'd attribute to the pareidolia of the thread title, and the altered surface texture to natural variation.

Follow this link for news that could possibly indicate the presence of microbial life below the Martian surface.

Methane 'belches' detected on Mars

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30456664

                   



[Edited 12/26/2014 7:09:36 PM ]

12/26/2014 9:42:49 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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Quote from clarencec:
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Follow this link for news that could possibly indicate the presence of microbial life below the Martian surface.

Methane 'belches' detected on Mars

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30456664

                   


Yes, that story has been on for few days, with a lot of fart jokes.

By the way, did you get snow?

Also, regarding that image you posted, another very interesting story associated with it is how the Curiosity Rover can take it's own portrait selfie shot.



12/27/2014 11:47:18 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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This is sort of a blog post. I wanted to comment on the idea of pareidolia, which some treat as sort of a joke. But... Sure it's funny in a way, people even make games out of finding ducks in cloud formations and so on. But they know that's just fun. But pareidolia is pattern recognition and as far as I know, humans are the only, and maybe the best at it. It's a survival technique of the highest order. Anyone who has ever been a deer hunter knows this. But here's a lessor example. Last summer I looked out my window and there in the yard sat a bunny, a cottontail bunny. It never moved but I saw it, my brain recognized the pattern and I wasn't particularly looking for bunnies, I was just looking out. Not all animals, if any, can do that without movement involved. I watched the bunny and then my neighbor's cat walked across my field of view between me and the bunny. The cat was only a few feet from the bunny and, like bunnies do, it froze and never moved a whisker. The cat walked right on past the bunny and never noticed it. Humans can find moving objects and animals like that too, but humans can find them without the movement, especially familiar shapes even if they aren't really looking for them. How many cats or dogs can find Waldo? The Where's Waldo books are not for them. So, in conclusion, I think more thought should be given to dismissing things as pareidolia that one doesn't want to consider. Pareidolia is probably derived from the human need to be able to recognize a non moving sabre toothed tiger on the savana.

Clarence, look at the "tail" on this again. I'm not saying that it's clearly not a case of pareidolia, imagining it's a tail or a flipper or a tongue, but I am saying that it really could be something like that and not be pareidolia. What sort of a rock looks like this?



12/29/2014 10:05:17 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

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I would like a Mars bar, please

12/29/2014 4:44:26 PMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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I would like a Mars bar, please


Oh, thank you for the bump!

Clarence, et al, here's another version of that picture above. I lightened it and sharpened it a bit. Please, think carefully before you play the pareidolia card to just brush it off.

I would say that "A" is CLEARLY an organic attachment point to the main creature for "B" which is certainly an odd shape for a rock, which culminates in "C" which seems to be some sort of flipper or organic device for possibly clearing the ground, maybe for laying eggs as turtles do, or who knows? But there's more here than can simply be brushed off with the term pareidolia, or at least more here than a thoughtful person should brush off with that term.

Also, look at what could be eyes. The one on the easy side, and you can see the edge outline of one on the other side.

Anyway, from A to C hardly looks like any sort of rock thing. It's organic.

No, seriously.



1/11/2015 1:08:11 AMMars Skeptics Untie! Moving pareidolia, disturbing pictures 

furchizedek
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BUMP PLEASE

Notice the similar resemblance of Bao Bao the panda to the "Armadillo" rock. Just sayin'