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2/4/2015 12:39:42 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 
jeffb1981
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Quote from talonn1:
I love God. It's his fan club I don't care for.

Although Pope Francis is the man.


What? Are u RC? Hell makes u think this See is "the man!"




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2/4/2015 12:51:24 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

talonn1
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Because unlike other popes he is trying to unite people.

Look up what the man had done.

2/4/2015 12:58:57 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

talonn1
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Quote from clarencec:
I think the Bible is wrong that God/s, angels and the supernatural exists, but right at times in some of the moral and ethical principles expressed. Some bits have no doubt been skewed from what the original authors intended. The Hebrew Bible was continuously revised and redacted until about 400 BCE. And Christian texts were changed by copying errors and amendments made for theological reasons. There are more textual variants than there are words in the NT. Six of of Paul's letters are believed to pseudoepigraphal - meaning forged.


Exactly. There are books that the church deemed fit to exclude. Translation errors are rampant. It is a book of ethical stories some designed to make you think. In church you are told what verses mean. It's not always the case.

A strongs concordance helps the reader understand better.

2/4/2015 2:02:06 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 
ron6280a
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Quote from clarencec:
I think the Bible is wrong that God/s, angels and the supernatural exists,


@ talonn1

You quoted ( this ) clarencec post and your response to it started with " exactly "

This is confusing. In a previous post you stated " I love God "

Who is God?

2/4/2015 6:57:05 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

rufftreasure
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Quote from clarencec:
I think the Bible is wrong that God/s, angels and the supernatural exists, but right at times in some of the moral and ethical principles expressed. Some bits have no doubt been skewed from what the original authors intended. The Hebrew Bible was continuously revised and redacted until about 400 BCE. And Christian texts were changed by copying errors and amendments made for theological reasons. There are more textual variants than there are words in the NT. Six of of Paul's letters are believed to pseudoepigraphal - meaning forged.


Or they , some of the texts are down right forgeries

2/7/2015 1:30:31 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

nonstandard
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Noone knows where intelligence begins . Noone knows where intelligence ends .

Why do people always assume that it begins , and ends , with humans ?

2/7/2015 10:40:55 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from nonstandard:
Noone knows where intelligence begins . Noone knows where intelligence ends .

Why do people always assume that it begins , and ends , with humans ?


I don't many organisms have intelligence. I believe we will someday create artificial intelligence superior to our own. I just don't believe the Supreme Being of Existence would need intelligence. Intelligence processes properties of reality, and this reality emanates from those properties of the Supreme Being. Intelligence is our understanding of the truth. God is the actuality of the Truth. Therefore, any reasonable personality or intelligence is inferior to that which by its very nature and ontology, is true. Any god that has a superb intellect should understand reason, and would have to reason their case just like any of us. No amount of power or force should persuade me, only genuine reasonability applied empathetically to consider the greater good of All Life. If this person behaved childish and selfish, I would question their superior intelligence. I would not expect a being of greater intelligence to behave in an inferior manner as he seems to behave in the Bible.



[Edited 2/7/2015 10:42:55 AM ]

2/7/2015 11:34:55 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

maxwalbridge
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Quote from turkalurk82:
Intelligence processes properties of reality, and this reality emanates from those properties of the Supreme Being. Intelligence is our understanding of the truth. God is the actuality of the Truth.


Truth is a sentient human consciousness, or a unique human archetype of the mind. Greater sentience is greater knowledge is greater intelligence. He who Know.

2/7/2015 11:44:22 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from maxwalbridge:
Truth is a sentient human consciousness, or a unique human archetype of the mind. Greater sentience is greater knowledge is greater intelligence. He who Know.


I disagree. Actual Truth is impartial and objective. sentience and consciousness imply subjective processing/interpreting of the truth. an awareness of truth can only equate to an actual truth, when its accurate. A sentient being can only conceptualize statements that reflects an objective truth.



[Edited 2/7/2015 11:47:47 AM ]

2/7/2015 1:54:12 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

nonstandard
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The truth is not obscure , hidden , or waiting for an intelligent being to recognize it . Its the translation that creates these effects .

2/7/2015 2:08:00 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

nonstandard
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We're always chasing rainbows , its not because we're human , its because we're animals .

2/8/2015 9:06:13 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from nonstandard:
The truth is not obscure , hidden , or waiting for an intelligent being to recognize it . Its the translation that creates these effects .
its obscure because what we perceive is not the truth but a perception of how our brain interprets the truth. In a sense, the truth is not hidden because we are constantly experiencing our interactions with the objective world. Our bodies interact with it, without the need to process it mentally. In this sense the truth is not obscure it just is. Its our perception of the truth that gets obscured in language. We can try to conceptualize about the objective truth, but that concept is just a concept reflecting a relationship of truth. We can conceptualize symbols that represents an objective truth, but this is still a subjective conceptualization, a mental impression created in the mind based on interactions with the objective world. We can only imagine ourselves in the shoes of the other in an attempt to gain impartiality, but we are merely minimizing our subjective biases in order to maximize objectivity. Whatever perspective we create is as impartial as possible, but is still a subjective because it is perspective of a human subject of experience. We can't see things from a universal perspective, we are only Human.

Btw, other animals don't chase rainbows. So, it is the human in us that enjoys chasing allusions.

In other words, "the truth that can be spoken is not the constant Truth. The name that can be named is not the constant Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding."

Physics support the conceptual imagery of the Tao as an empty vessle. Something can come from nothing, if by nothing you mean a cosmic vacuum.
check this out:

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/26/empty-space-has-more-energy-than-everything-in-the-universe-combined/



[Edited 2/8/2015 9:08:21 AM ]

2/8/2015 11:28:51 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from turkalurk82:

Btw, other animals don't chase rainbows. So, it is the human in us that enjoys chasing allusions.
/

my dog chases himself in windows.

2/8/2015 11:43:00 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
my dog chases himself in windows.


he chases his tail as well. has he ever chased a rainbow? does your dog even see a rainbow? A dog doesn't see the variance in color that wee see. Most animals don't see things the way humans do. other primates, maybe, but I highly doubt any other animal tries to find the end of a rainbow. If one does, I am eager to learn about it, so please enlighten me.

2/8/2015 11:57:29 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from turkalurk82:
he chases his tail as well. has he ever chased a rainbow? does your dog even see a rainbow? A dog doesn't see the variance in color that wee see. Most animals don't see things the way humans do. other primates, maybe, but I highly doubt any other animal tries to find the end of a rainbow. If one does, I am eager to learn about it, so please enlighten me.


nope. neither me or my dog has ever chased a rainbow. i wasn't convinced he wasn't human. surprised to discover i ain't.



[Edited 2/8/2015 11:58:33 AM ]

2/8/2015 2:43:50 PMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
nope. neither me or my dog has ever chased a rainbow. i wasn't convinced he wasn't human. surprised to discover i ain't.
so you need to convince yourself that your dog isn't human? Have you discovered that you are not human? when you do convince yourself of something, does that equate belief? So, do you believe that you are not human? Or is this a conviction? What is the difference, again, because I don't believe you have ever answered that question.

2/9/2015 8:05:14 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from turkalurk82:
so you need to convince yourself that your dog isn't human? Have you discovered that you are not human? when you do convince yourself of something, does that equate belief? So, do you believe that you are not human? Or is this a conviction? What is the difference, again, because I don't believe you have ever answered that question.


now you bring yet another word into the discussion that i never used here. yes, i would call a belief a conviction. i see the words as meaning the same thing. perhaps had i said that i have no convictions pages and pages ago i might have saved myself the seemingly endless dialogue it's taken to unravel your confusion.

2/9/2015 8:10:11 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
now you bring yet another word into the discussion that i never used here. yes, i would call a belief a conviction. i see the words as meaning the same thing. perhaps had i said that i have no convictions pages and pages ago i might have saved myself the seemingly endless dialogue it's taken to unravel your confusion.
I am confused because you do claim to have convictions. Shall I quote in one instance you describe your "convictions", and in another you say that "you believe nothing, question everything." Now, do you see how I can be confused about your conflicting statements? Or, do I need to quote your posts so that you can refresh your memory on the claims you make?

2/9/2015 8:11:44 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from turkalurk82:
I am confused because you do claim to have convictions. Shall I quote in one instance you describe your "convictions", and in another you say that "you believe nothing, question everything." Now, do you see how I can be confused about your conflicting statements? Or, do I need to quote your posts so that you can refresh your memory on the claims you make?


by all means. show a post where i used the word, 'conviction'.

2/9/2015 8:27:39 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
it is a shame that we both don't understand each other but i don't see me as not understanding you. i understand everything you've said. if i don't understand anything it's not understanding how i might be more clear. frankly i see you as an antagonist that is more interested in argument than simply an exchange of viewpoints.

empathy is part of my being as is integrity and sticking by my convictions so obviously they play a major role in how i apply common sense when it comes to morals and ethics. you may call it a superior being but i sure as hell wouldn't. i call it simply ME, a person superior to nobody, applying MY common sense as I see it. i've never told anybody, much less everybody in the world, that what they believe can't possibly exist. all i've ever done here is express my thoughts that the human mind is incapable of knowing the existence of gods, etc,. once again you are replacing your word for mine and the running with a false premise; the very definition of the straw man fallacy. if everybody in the world thinks a human mind is capable of a feat that i don't think it's capable of that's simply a difference in viewpoints. i'm telling nobody anything other than how i see things. that you or anybody else doesn't agree with my viewpoint is just plain though shit. that you see it as incredulity won't change my viewpoint in the least any more than my feeling the incredulity that the president was elected twice will change who's sleeping in the white house.

actually, i don't like the term 'agnostic.' i haven't found a pigeon hole that i might fit. i use agnostic for no other reason than that MOST people with whom i discuss religion can relate to the the term's meaning as i relate to it. you don't seem to fit into the MOST people of which i speak which is again simply a difference in viewpoints. if i were to pigeon hole myself i'd group me as a humanist, but i have problems with that too, who really don't give gods, the afterlife, etc., much thought at all. i would never waste time, for instance, trying to prove agnosticism. humanism isn't about not being able to know, more so i see it as common sense applied to forming our moral and ethical standards as opposed to being taught to follow church, scripture and other religious teaching. humanists likewise are more apt to look at the sciences for answers as to how we all came to be, everything came to be, as we haven't found scripture, etc., to be a plausible source for answering those and other questions.

once again i've done my best to express my thinking as best i could. i consider myself well read, well spoken and though i'm loathe to spend the minimal energy it takes to lift my pinky over to the shift key to capitalize and rarely bother to proof read for spelling, punctuation and other such bullshit that doesn't much affect my clarity in most people's eyes as i post here, i likewise consider myself well written. understand my posts or don't. most here don't seem to have the problem.


I am starting to realize my assumption about your memory has some validity. This was only a couple pages back on this same thread. I hope this wakes you up to the validity of my criticisms. We will see how you respond and see if you try to weasle out of the obvious contradictions in your claims. I hope this can drive home the simple little point I have been attempting to make to you. You believe the things you want, and refuse to accept belief in the things you don't want to accept. It has more to do with your personal preferences than it does about logical consistency. You are no more open-minded than that girl that I complimented. Yet, you felt the desire to criticize my compliment. So, don't forget what this exchange was all about.

2/9/2015 9:26:51 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

jrbogie1949
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Quote from turkalurk82:
I am starting to realize my assumption about your memory has some validity. This was only a couple pages back on this same thread. I hope this wakes you up to the validity of my criticisms. We will see how you respond and see if you try to weasle out of the obvious contradictions in your claims. I hope this can drive home the simple little point I have been attempting to make to you. You believe the things you want, and refuse to accept belief in the things you don't want to accept. It has more to do with your personal preferences than it does about logical consistency. You are no more open-minded than that girl that I complimented. Yet, you felt the desire to criticize my compliment. So, don't forget what this exchange was all about.


good job. i honestly didn't think i'd ever used the word in that context here or anywhere else. i'll take care not to use the word, 'conviction' any differently than i now use, 'belief,' in the future. thanks for pointing out my error.

2/9/2015 11:36:37 AMYour thoughts ~~mature ppl only | Page 3 

turkalurk82
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
good job. i honestly didn't think i'd ever used the word in that context here or anywhere else. i'll take care not to use the word, 'conviction' any differently than i now use, 'belief,' in the future. thanks for pointing out my error.


glad to be useful.