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8/6/2017 6:48:02 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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New aircraft carrier USS Gerald Ford has no urinals
Posted on August 6, 2017 by Dr. Eowyn
On July 22, 2017, President Donald Trump participated in the stirring ceremony commissioning a new aircraft carrier — the $12.9 billion, 100,000-ton, 3-football-fields, made-in-America, state-of-the-art U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford.

Trump said: “Wherever this vessel cuts through the horizon, our allies will rest easy and our enemies will shake with fear because everyone will know that America is coming, and America is coming strong.”



What is little known about the new aircraft carrier is this:

The carrier has no urinals — although the vast majority (82%) of the carrier’s 5,000 plus sailors are men, and although urinals are cheaper, more sanitary, and take up less space than stalls with flush toilets.



Peter Rathmell reports for Navy Times, July 21, 2017:

“The new aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford has all sorts of high-tech gear equipped for 21st century naval warfare. But there is one thing that male sailors will notice is no longer available: Urinals.

For the first time, every bathroom on the Ford — known throughout military circles as a head — is designed to be ‘gender-neutral,’ meaning all of the urinals have been replaced with flush toilets and stalls, Navy officials say.

The vast majority of the 5,000-plus sailors who will deploy aboard the carrier Ford are men, as women account for only about 18 percent of sailors in the Navy.

Bathroom design experts say water closets with seated toilets are less sanitary and take up far more space than wall-mounted urinals. […]

‘[A toilet is] by far a less clean environment than a urinal. By far,’ said Chuck Kaufman, president of the Public Restroom Company, an organization that specializes in designing bathrooms.

For men, traditional seated toilets are farther away, making them harder targets to accurately focus on.

Thus, men who use a water closet are more likely to miss the bowl and hit the floor, says Kaufman.

He says that when men are obligated to pee in water closets, urine tends to build up on the floor, leaving an abysmal stench.

‘A urinal is a target,’ said Kaufman. ‘What is a problem is [with a water closet] you have a very big target and we can’t aim very quickly.’

The only way to ensure men accurately aim into a toilet bowl is to force men to sit down, which is unlikely to happen, said Kaufman.

Moreover, sitting down to pee makes trips to the bathroom take longer.

Kaufman estimates that the average trip to the urinal takes a little under a minute. Meanwhile, peeing at a sit-down toilet takes twice as long, he said.

Whatever convenience that is gained by being able to morph men’s rooms into women’s rooms would also be lost in the amount of space that water closets, and the stalls around them, take up, he said.

When he is designing a bathroom, Kaufman says he is required to allot around 1,500 square inches of space for a urinal. A toilet needs more than 3,300 square inches.

For a ship like the Ford, which cost upwards of $13 billion, every inch of space matters tremendously.

‘Why would you want the ship to be bigger just for fixtures?’ said Kaufman. ‘You can get twice as many urinals as water closets.’

For now, the Ford will be the only Navy ship in the fleet that is entirely outfitted with gender-neutral bathrooms, said Bill Couch, a Naval Sea Systems Command spokesperson.

Regardless, urinals on aircraft carriers may be a thing of the past.”


http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/08/06/new-aircraft-carrier-uss-gerald-ford-has-no-urinals/



[Edited 8/6/2017 6:48:35 PM ]

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8/6/2017 6:49:51 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

horace_schitt
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F**k 'em, piss off the side of the boat.

8/6/2017 6:54:41 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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Quote from horace_schitt:
F**k 'em, piss off the side of the boat.


I was going to suggest that as it's what I usually do. Right off the fantail, no backspray winds. Once pissed off the 011 level off the carrier Enterprize in drydock, PSNS (early 80's). I finished before my first drops of piss hit the drydock deck. Pretty ways up there!

8/6/2017 7:18:35 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 
61falcon
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In the old days when they installed long ground level trough urinals that multiple men pissed into simultaneously that would have saved money,but today urinals are individual units that cost about the same as toilets.

8/6/2017 7:42:13 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

louie6332
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Well, people do tend to urinate more often than they defecate, but toilets serve double duty. That is the only advantage I can think of for toilets, they are more versatile. Well, that and the fact that the stall around them, if there is one, does provide some privacy. Some people can’t pee if someone is watching. Of course, you could have stalls around urinals, but I don’t see that very often.

Louie

8/6/2017 7:43:33 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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Quote from 61falcon:
In the old days when they installed long ground level trough urinals that multiple men pissed into simultaneously that would have saved money,but today urinals are individual units that cost about the same as toilets.


Most ships and boats I been on the bilge is the old style trough.

Article says urinals cheaper and cleaner.

8/6/2017 7:44:21 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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Quote from louie6332:
Well, people do tend to urinate more often than they defecate, but toilets serve double duty. That is the only advantage I can think of for toilets, they are more versatile. Well, that and the fact that the stall around them, if there is one, does provide some privacy. Some people can’t pee if someone is watching. Of course, you could have stalls around urinals, but I don’t see that very often.

Louie


Think it was more of a gender acceptance thing.

8/6/2017 7:47:37 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

sillylaugher61
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remember that this is probably due to Obama. He picked his people to lead the Navy.
Plus Obama probably sits to pee.

8/6/2017 7:49:17 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

horace_schitt
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*snort!*

8/6/2017 7:51:58 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

pento4
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I am picturing 25 sailors pissing off the side of the ship at any given time

8/6/2017 7:55:19 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

pento4
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You ain't lived until you have to step up to the trough to do your business

8/6/2017 7:55:19 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 
herc117
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Next they will make a rule that the men have to sit to pee just like the women!

8/6/2017 7:56:23 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

horace_schitt
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What would be funnier is 25 WOMEN sailors pissing off the side of the ship at any given time.

8/6/2017 7:58:09 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 
61falcon
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I've never really studied the price of urinals vs. toilets but in looking at Home Depot they are pretty close in price unless you aretalking the high end of either,they can get pricey.Usually the defense department pays vastly more for everything, than you or I would pay.

8/6/2017 7:58:19 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

stan_147
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Quote from pento4:
I am picturing 25 sailors pissing off the side of the ship at any given time


4000 men / 24 hours Plus beer, coffee, tea?

There'd be a waiting line 24/7 worse than an outdoor festival.

8/6/2017 8:02:35 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

haslefree
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i don't think men hit the urinals 100% of the time anyway..about what 1/2 in the bowl and 1/2 the floor?

Hehehehe

8/6/2017 8:04:34 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

horace_schitt
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Hey, YOU try to hit the water when you're three feet above it!

8/6/2017 8:06:17 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

sillylaugher61
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Quote from stan_147:
4000 men / 24 hours Plus beer, coffee, tea?

There'd be a waiting line 24/7 worse than an outdoor festival.


the Ford uses 700 less sailors than the older ships.

8/6/2017 8:08:52 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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Quote from sillylaugher61:
remember that this is probably due to Obama. He picked his people to lead the Navy.
Plus Obama probably sits to pee.


He has to.

8/6/2017 8:10:33 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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Quote from 61falcon:
I've never really studied the price of urinals vs. toilets but in looking at Home Depot they are pretty close in price unless you aretalking the high end of either,they can get pricey.Usually the defense department pays vastly more for everything, than you or I would pay.


They pay more, that's for sure. Much less space, less porcelain costs etc. Flushometer probably the same price.

8/6/2017 8:11:01 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

haslefree
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We're having that issue with men and women at my office. Apparently the women don't sit on the toilet and end up pissing the floor. Same with the men's bathroom.
I go home..3 lovely minutes

8/6/2017 8:13:12 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

stan_147
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Adds a whole new definition to "piss off"

8/6/2017 8:13:21 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

shawnee_b
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Quote from haslefree:
We're having that issue with men and women at my office. Apparently the women don't sit on the toilet and end up pissing the floor. Same with the men's bathroom.
I go home..3 lovely minutes


That's cause women "hover" in a public restroom even if doilies provided.

Besides men also pee on the floor cause it's much cleaner than the urinals and no way we want to "flavor" the urinal cakes for officers and supervisors.

8/6/2017 8:31:05 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

purplerider1200
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They ought to go back to using the poop deck.

8/6/2017 8:43:29 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

haslefree
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It would be cleaner to pee behind a tree for both sexes. Wouldn't that be a pretty site..

8/6/2017 8:44:05 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

pento4
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Quote from haslefree:
i don't think men hit the urinals 100% of the time anyway..about what 1/2 in the bowl and 1/2 the floor?

Hehehehe
I worked as a janitor in a few truckstops back in my 20s,,And I swear women are twice (if not 3xx) nastier than the males overall when it comes to public bathroom etiquette

8/6/2017 8:44:57 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

horace_schitt
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Quote from pento4:
I worked as a janitor in a few truckstops back in my 20s,,And I swear women are twice (if not 3xx) nastier than the males overall when it comes to public bathroom etiquette


True story. I worked in plenty of bars back in the day.

8/6/2017 9:31:14 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

haslefree
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Quote from pento4:
I worked as a janitor in a few truckstops back in my 20s,,And I swear women are twice (if not 3xx) nastier than the males overall when it comes to public bathroom etiquette


This is very true! Unfortunately.

8/6/2017 9:32:54 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

haslefree
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Quote from horace_schitt:
True story. I worked in plenty of bars back in the day.


Back in the day, people were lucky to make it in the right bathroom, let alone get their piss in the toilet.

8/6/2017 9:52:33 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 
cheep_trick
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Without urinals,
there's gonna be alot of squids
pissin' in the sinks.

8/6/2017 10:52:36 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

starfox22
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Gender neutral bathrooms. Holy F**king Batshit Crazy Batman.
Thank you Democrats for making the world safe for all of us. Very important stuff gender neutrality.

A proud moment I am sure for the whiny party.

8/6/2017 11:01:52 PMGerald Ford has no urinals 

w6o6l6f_1
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Quote from cheep_trick:
Without urinals,
there's gonna be alot of squids
pissin' in the sinks.


Been to concerts where the restroom lines where so long during intermission.
Guys pissing in the sinks, multiple guys standing around pissing in the floor drains.
No female would want to walk in there and use that bathroom.
Like to see woman who identifies as a man go there and try that.

Sometimes I pee in bottles, then get worried when it starts to fill up and not done yet.



[Edited 8/6/2017 11:03:29 PM ]