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12/17/2017 11:29:46 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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And appreciate women anymore?

Like no matter how great the girl is, its like guys just don't give a crap.

They're ridding the p*ssy carousel until they freak out and realize they need to stop fking around and settle down.
Obviously some never grow up

But what makes you men think that after you have wasted your body and used every second woman, that you are worthy of us women who are already mature and don't screw around and play the field?

What makes you think that we will want you then, after how you have treated other women and even some of us who were duped into thinking you might want something serious with us?

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12/17/2017 12:53:52 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

stl1
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History proves that many women chase the bad boys.

Just look at all the women who adore Herpes Mike.

12/17/2017 1:01:41 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cupocheer
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Sad, I am a woman... what gives you the impression that men, particularly, single, straight men don't care about women?

12/17/2017 1:02:13 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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I don't think Mike is a "bad boy". I'm not trying to be mean but it looks like he romances women old enough to be his mother. For women that age it's hard to find a man because of death and ed.

12/17/2017 1:04:37 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cupocheer
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I'm about as old as I can get right now, E2W, and I can assure you it is easier for a woman my age to attract and interest a man than it is for you -- and I don't have spread my legs and prostitute myself to do it.

12/17/2017 1:09:46 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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I'm sure men don't want you to spread your legs. They just want you to take their order and hurry up with their coffee.

12/17/2017 1:45:12 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cupocheer
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I don't do coffee, and I sure as hell don't take orders.

But I can wipe my own ass.

12/17/2017 2:00:43 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

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I’m not getting that vibe at all, sometimes you just need to choose wisely, the signs are there

12/17/2017 2:06:06 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

testsignup
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What you MIGHT be reacting to and noticing, depending on whether your posted age is accurate or not, is that you are running into the "negging" approach to dealing with women that a lot of guys in that age range get into.

Basically, most guys tend at first, to be appreciative and positive towards women, because they think that being pleasing is the best way to get a girl to like them. Then some time later, especially when that proves to be extremely unreliable, males often come to the conclusion that being callous towards women works much better. And for a while, it certainly does. Women in the twenteens often themselves go through a stage where they react to the "nice" guys as being liars or weaklings, and react to the more seemingly callous guys as being more honest and confident. It's an illusion on both sides, but makes for a LOT of this kind of rant.

12/17/2017 2:06:24 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cupocheer
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I don't have a Bob either, Babe.

12/17/2017 3:10:20 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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I hear a lot of guys say they wish they had married some woman from their past. I guess they thought they would have lots of opportunities. Truth is women don't want these men. They've fooled around and been unproductive.

12/17/2017 5:13:39 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

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Quote from stl1:
History proves that many women chase the bad boys.

Just look at all the women who adore Herpes Mike.


Herpes just picks up vulnerable women....kinda like the bottom of the barrel bottom feeder. I can pick up those women on an off night.

12/17/2017 7:28:43 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

lucky_1million
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
They're ridding the p*ssy carousel


Hmmm... I'm going to agree with Gable that a c@ck carousel seems like a better metaphor. A lot of guys(not all)are just waiting for some dummy to come around and jump on the ride. A woman still has a choice to look at that and say: "Hey, no thanks."

12/17/2017 8:51:37 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

bumblebee7
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I'd say from observations...in general...and in an unbiased mode.

Its the other way around.

and if you want to be appreciated more yourselves....then have more to offer than just sex...and for what real men who are legit want...from a mans perspective in what they want as the total package in reality.

again...from men's point of view.

It appears that more to offer is a by gone era that doesn't exist that much anymore.

There was a time when women learned how to make clothes and this that and the other and they were more loyal and standby your man like.

Now, all they know how to do is put on make up and slinky clothes....and in reality have proven that underneath it all they are no better than the men they complain about...."all" the time.

So, if there has been changes in our society, women coerced it to be, by their actions and attitude...its always been that way concerning that kind of interaction with men and women....women set the path to be by how they are, and the men follow it.

we use to see women as feminine...now, they are more seen as simply : female.

Women want the masculinity in men and for that to never change, yet they take away in themselves the femininity that we wanted in them and not to change.

that formula will not work....and it shows.

12/17/2017 9:04:23 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

bumblebee7
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The other things is this...that word credibility....its hard to give it when someone enters what use to be called our world...

then they don't play by your rules and expectations and playing field...by getting the easy way out, that we wouldn't have allowed fellow men to do.

Then you go around claiming you can do everything we can do...and constantly b*tching about us...when in fact your not playing in our world, in the same way we do.

That's like hiring a woman to be a woman helper for your roofing company, and someone has to carry the heavy shingle bundles up there for her and etc. ,etc., etc., etc...and she expects compliments for her lack of doing the job like a man would.

there's no credibility in that...just some men who might play that game fishing for attention from her.

In reality, with the exception of some women...most women can't measure up to or do like those old fashioned women who had more to offer of what a man wants besides sex.

On the same token, they don't really measure up in mans world by not playing on the same playing field as he has to....with the exception of the College Nerds who don't end up working a job with his hands...and even then..who knows?

again...there are some exceptions to this rule, but not that many.

Is there credibility in that? nope...and that's why fewer and fewer men are not taking women seriously anymore..

Legit men put their a** and feelings on the line too....when the risk is too high, they are less willing to do that.

12/17/2017 11:38:39 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

driver406
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Men have ZERO value in society unless they are BLACK FELONS, bad boys, ADDICTED DRUNKS and ABUSIVE to the extreme. White men hold the same place in American society as the Jews did in Nazi Germany. Women just haven't gotten the concentration camps built yet. Killary would have seen to that and Bubba would have been the first one sent inside.

12/18/2017 8:29:57 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from cupocheer:
Sad, I am a woman... what gives you the impression that men, particularly, single, straight men don't care about women?

They only want sex. lol TBH

12/18/2017 7:22:22 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

lucky_1million
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Quote from driver406:
Men have ZERO value in society.


I think some men know that they have value in society. They know that Women still want men for relationships.

Some guys take advantage of these dynamics and instead of providing growing relationship opportunities, they provide circular dead-end relationships that go nowhere... especially to women who appear eager to offer sex upfront.

aka... the c@ck carousel.



12/18/2017 7:48:51 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

lovethelake17
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Quote from packersbabe920:
I’m not getting that vibe at all, sometimes you just need to choose wisely, the signs are there


This.

You find what you seek. Change what you seek.

12/18/2017 9:50:07 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from lucky_1million:
I think some men know that they have value in society. They know that Women still want men for relationships.

Some guys take advantage of these dynamics and instead of providing growing relationship opportunities, they provide circular dead-end relationships that go nowhere... especially to women who appear eager to offer sex upfront.

aka... the c@ck carousel.


Exactly an they lie and act like they want a relationship when really, they don't. They just waste our time trying to farm us for sex

12/19/2017 6:12:07 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

ol39er
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This is similar to a thread I posted in DGD. There are lots of daters out there (I'm not saying you're one of them) who complain about the lack of "good" people to date or become involved with, but if they ever met one, they would probably treat him/her no different than the way they were treated by all those "bad" people. There are lots of people out there with "broken pickers" who gravitate toward the human garbage and fail to recognize quality people. Both men and women are equally guilty of this.

12/20/2017 2:22:13 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cavie59
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
And appreciate women anymore?


Why would men value something that will cheat on him, blame him for pushing them to do it, and then accuse him of "Sexual Assault".

Women were the one that stopped appreciating men first, now men are turning the tables.

12/20/2017 3:31:42 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from ol39er:
This is similar to a thread I posted in DGD. There are lots of daters out there (I'm not saying you're one of them) who complain about the lack of "good" people to date or become involved with, but if they ever met one, they would probably treat him/her no different than the way they were treated by all those "bad" people. There are lots of people out there with "broken pickers" who gravitate toward the human garbage and fail to recognize quality people. Both men and women are equally guilty of this.

I never treat people I date poorly.

The same can not be said of those who date me

12/20/2017 10:45:16 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
They only want sex. lol TBH


This is only true when that's all the woman seems to offer.

Reality check for most people, you're not as special as you think. Most of you are only good for one or two things. Develop yourselves if you want something more.

There are plenty of women that I admire greatly.

12/20/2017 12:02:03 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from mrfckinpetey:
This is only true when that's all the woman seems to offer.

Reality check for most people, you're not as special as you think. Most of you are only good for one or two things. Develop yourselves if you want something more.

There are plenty of women that I admire greatly.

That's not true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
If the beholder is otherwise distracted and obsessed with something else, like basal desires, it does not matter how Amazing that woman is, he will not see it.

12/20/2017 12:08:23 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
That's not true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
If the beholder is otherwise distracted and obsessed with something else, like basal desires, it does not matter how Amazing that woman is, he will not see it.


If that man isn't seeing her other qualities, it's because she either doesn't have any that he cares about, or she's not showing off those qualities.

12/20/2017 12:13:06 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from mrfckinpetey:
If that man isn't seeing her other qualities, it's because she either doesn't have any that he cares about, or she's not showing off those qualities.

If the quality he cares about is between her legs he won't care about her other qualities will he
Awdd

12/20/2017 12:14:09 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cavie59
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
That's not true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
If the beholder is otherwise distracted and obsessed with something else, like Gay Anime, it does not matter how Amazing that man is, she will not see it.


Fixed it.

12/20/2017 12:14:10 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
little_spoon
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Good topic sienna.

Yes they want a buddy.

12/20/2017 12:15:13 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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Men tend not to want women as 'buddies'...what's the f**king point of that?!

12/20/2017 12:17:51 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
nymeria73
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
They only want sex. lol TBH


They might want that. But I doubt everybody that you've met wanted only that from you.

12/20/2017 12:19:57 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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Just as it's doubtful every male friend only want's friendship

12/20/2017 12:23:24 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
little_spoon
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Quote from uncle_bulgaria:
Men tend not to want women as 'buddies'...what's the f**king point of that?!


Having 2 or 3 of such "buddies".

12/20/2017 12:28:16 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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Having 2 or 3 of such "buddies".

That's about as pointless as having 3 hose pipes and no lawn to water.

12/20/2017 12:36:52 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
nymeria73
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Quote from uncle_bulgaria:
Just as it's doubtful every male friend only want's friendship


Sure. Good thing is I do not want every male I meet to be my friend though. lol

12/20/2017 12:40:29 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
If the quality he cares about is between her legs he won't care about her other qualities will he
Awdd


Sorry but that's just not true. You're a weird person, and so finding a guy that will appreciate your weird qualities will be difficult, so you'll inevitably have a bias in this situation.

Women who act like women that cater to what men want, such as being able to cook well, clean well, seduce well, etc will find men that appreciate them for much more than just sex.

12/20/2017 12:43:03 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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Mr did you just say men want a maid as well as sex?

12/20/2017 12:44:04 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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Sounds reasonable.

12/20/2017 12:45:13 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
little_spoon
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Haha

12/20/2017 12:46:22 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from easttowest72:
Mr did you just say men want a maid as well as sex?


Men want something worth the effort. The more marketable a woman is, the more effort the man will have to put in to compensate, and he'll want to as well.

12/20/2017 12:52:56 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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What is it the man does to make the relationship worth it for the woman?

12/20/2017 1:00:21 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
nymeria73
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Petey is a businessman. He's analyzing the market.

12/20/2017 1:03:09 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from easttowest72:
What is it the man does to make the relationship worth it for the woman?


It depends on the man. Most at least offer financial incentive, and then you can add qualities such as being funny, handy, loving, etc. Whereas most women only offer one thing. Women these days aren't funny, or handy, or even mildly intelligent most of the time. They don't know how to cook, don't know how to take care of kids, etc. If not for some sucker to f**k them, their only other option would be cashier or prostitute.

Women are basically lazy and entitled these days, and no man wanted to do anything for that.

12/20/2017 1:09:42 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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You do know women are buying homes at twice the rate of men.

12/20/2017 1:11:28 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from easttowest72:
You do know women are buying homes at twice the rate of men.


For their bastard children, not their husbands lol.

Men don't care about buying homes unless a woman is involved. Most of us are happy living in a studio apartment or less. So I'm not surprised at all.

12/20/2017 1:13:49 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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That's why women are gaining m9re wealth. If the more bring more financially to the table shouldn't the man do the cooking and cleaning?

12/20/2017 1:24:06 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
nymeria73
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Quote from mrfckinpetey:
For their bastard children


Geee petey, this is not Westeros.

12/20/2017 1:26:39 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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That's why women are gaining m9re wealth. If the more bring more financially to the table shouldn't the man do the cooking and cleaning?

Well it's the men allowing them gain more wealth..You're welcome.

12/20/2017 1:26:42 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

easttowest72
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Pete has the thinking of a lot of men. They want a woman to have traditional roles of cooking and cleaning but don't prepare themselves to take on the traditional role of a man.

12/20/2017 1:31:16 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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Pete has the thinking of a lot of men. They want a woman to have traditional roles of cooking and cleaning but don't prepare themselves to take on the traditional role of a man.

Traditional roles of a man...treating his wife and kids like second class citizens / personal servants, not allowing them out of the house unless accompanied by him and having some side action on the weekends between cigars and brandy at the club. A true Victorian ear Gentleman.

12/20/2017 1:38:33 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
nymeria73
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OCEAN'S 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFWF9dU5Zc0

The female version of Ocean's movies.

12/20/2017 1:38:54 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

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12/20/2017 1:39:57 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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OCEAN'S 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFWF9dU5Zc0

The female version of Ocean's movies.


8 is like 72% of 11...kind of like women's pay is to mens



[Edited 12/20/2017 1:40:23 PM ]

12/20/2017 1:41:52 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from easttowest72:
That's why women are gaining m9re wealth. If the more bring more financially to the table shouldn't the man do the cooking and cleaning?


I don't mind cooking and cleaning if the women contributes equally, but she has to contribute something other than sex.

How many families have female bread winners though? Statistics say less than 5 percent that live with a man. That's pathetic.

12/20/2017 1:42:32 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
nymeria73
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Why 8 by the way? I don't get it. Guess I have to see the movie but they're pushing to not do it on twitter. I've got tweets asking to go and see the movie cause you know, women cause. Things are getting a bit out of control over there?

12/20/2017 1:43:03 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

mrfckinpetey
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Quote from easttowest72:
Pete has the thinking of a lot of men. They want a woman to have traditional roles of cooking and cleaning but don't prepare themselves to take on the traditional role of a man.


I'd prefer the traditional roles, but it's not a requirement for me. The woman just needs to put in as much as I'm putting in, and I'm happy.

12/20/2017 1:46:03 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
uncle_bulgaria
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Why 8 by the way? I don't get it.

8 is like 72% of 11...kind of like women's pay is to mens.

Can have them at 100%..wouldn't be right.

12/20/2017 1:46:50 PMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
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12/21/2017 2:14:05 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 
cavie59
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Quote from mrfckinpetey:
How many families have female bread winners though? Statistics say less than 5 percent that live with a man. That's pathetic.


Statistics also show that when a woman is the "Bread Winner" she starts losing respect for her husband. The studies show that this is because she now has to spend more of her income there by shouldering more of the financial burden. They soon start resenting their husband and will throw them out sooner or later.

It all goes back to women wanting the man to be a provider. If the man can no longer fill that roll, he becomes disposable to the woman.

12/21/2017 6:32:30 AMIs anyone else getting the vibe that men don't value 

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from mrfckinpetey:
Sorry but that's just not true. You're a weird person, and so finding a guy that will appreciate your weird qualities will be difficult, so you'll inevitably have a bias in this situation.

Women who act like women that cater to what men want, such as being able to cook well, clean well, seduce well, etc will find men that appreciate them for much more than just sex.

Define weird

I cook and clean well