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2/2/2012 3:15:08 PMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

sorpstar
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Agree or disagree and why???


Fan Take

By William Browning, Yahoo! Contributor Network
5 hours, 51 minutes ago


Major League Baseball had the fifth-highest attendance in league history in 2011. With exciting finishes to the season and the best baseball players on the planet, MLB is poised to continue its money-making ways for 2012. A new collective bargaining agreement was signed in November and there will be peace between labor and management for years. One item left off the new labor agreement is a salary cap. Unlike other pro sports leagues, MLB teams can pay players an unlimited amount based upon television revenue brought to each franchise.


Here are five reasons why having a salary cap in baseball may not be a good thing.


1. Tradition


Major League Baseball has been around the longest of any sports league in America. It's been able to pay its players like this before with great success so why should it stop now? MLB has withstood anti-trust lawsuits and massive amounts of free agency over the past 50 years. Yet fans continue to flock to the cathedrals of summer.


2. Social Darwinism


Social Darwinism purports that only the strongest survive unless they adapt to conditions placed upon them. The model can be used to explain businesses that go bankrupt and services that are no longer needed in a modern society. Baseball teams must be the same way. They need to adapt to whatever conditions they have in order to survive the 30-team league because of how salaries are doled out. If teams want more money, there will have to be more people and more televisions in the markets where the franchises are located.


3. Competition


Team sports thrive on competition. Fans love the David versus Goliath story when teams with lesser salaries beat juggernauts such as the New York Yankees. Still other teams such as the Chicago Cubs in a huge market somehow find ways to flounder. Even with no salary cap, teams that should win on a regular basis don't do that.


4. Players Make a Difference


One quality player signed for a lot of money can change a franchise. One such example in 2012 may be Albert Pujols who signed with the Los Angeles Angels as a free agent. Prince Fielder also helped his small-market Milwaukee Brewers with his hitting power. He went over to the Detroit Tigers after becoming a free agent. Both of these men changed their teams for the better and they may do so in the upcoming season.


5. Free Market


Performance-based pay in Major League Baseball is part of an overall free market system that exists to some extent in America. MLB could very well be one of the last bastions for free market principles in the world. When players excel, they have the right to earn whatever salaries they wish on another team.


William Browning was born in St. Louis and is a lifelong St. Louis Cardinals fan. He currently resides in Branson, Mo.

on # 5, I like this approach being a Yanks fan because let's say my Yanks are getting old and most Yanks haters are saying that now with an aginbg Arod and Jeter still playing (Mo is not included/ he's special) ...they seem to respect their minor league draftees while some are brought along slowly and some may be needed to trade for what they need to replace someone up here but when you need a fix FA is the way to go since you don't lose players except maybe a draft choice ( Yanks usually don't draft near the top so losing a draftee ain't bad if they get a player needed and can handle the pressure of playing in NY with its media sources)...but FA's should be between ages 28 to 33 IMO and should fit in with a team around the same avg age/ seeing Fielder sign for as long as he had would never have happened in the NL for one...JMO

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2/2/2012 5:30:06 PMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 
halo82nd
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I do and don't.because the totals were great in the 70s and80s..it was good to see the brewers do well again .but the smaller markets have to be smart like the A's were in the beginning of this century ...

2/3/2012 12:03:32 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 
chrisbrz
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Baseball by nature of its set up does not have a normal business model or employee pool. Before free agency the employee/player was restricted in offering his skills to the employers of his choice. This has been soundly settled in court and free agency won't be going away anytime soon. Its a basic tenet and freedom for any employee to be able to offer his services to any employer. There are considerations granted on both sides, the employees and teams make concessions to allow for team formations, that is to say they have collectively bargained working conditions.
But basically speaking if MLB wants to keep its anti trust status they can never go back to the monopoly practices of keeping players restricted from movement. They can limit their attrition by tying up players contractually just as all businesses have to do.



[Edited 2/3/2012 12:05:59 AM ]

2/3/2012 5:03:48 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 
halo82nd
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Quote from halo82nd:
I do and don't.because the totals were great in the 70s and80s..it was good to see the brewers do well again .but the smaller markets have to be smart like the A's were in the beginnof this century ...
I meant royals .remember..Brett,Amos Otis Hal mccrae,Willie Wilson ,quissenberry ,Leonard ,Darrel porter.good teams small market.they were in the playoff quite a bit in 70s and 80s.and yes I understand your comments on f.a. you never see a team like the royals A's or brewers mariners make a splash in f.a..the Indians in the 90's were good99 last year to score a thousand runs..first since the 1950 red Sox..

2/3/2012 8:21:19 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

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Sorp, the only reason you don't like the cap is cause your damn Yankees couldn't buy more championships!

2/3/2012 8:24:07 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 
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Quote from socalsportsfan:
Sorp, the only reason you don't like the cap is cause your damn Yankees couldn't buy more championships!





2/3/2012 8:46:56 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 
chrisbrz
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Quote from socalsportsfan:
Sorp, the only reason you don't like the cap is cause your damn Yankees couldn't buy more championships!
I don't think it would help him anyways, the kid (Hank) isn't near the sports man his old man was. I'm lookin for him to run that place into the ground over their.
A salary cap would probably help the Yankees because Hank will just have less opportunities to make boondoggle deals. He just seems like the ultimate case of nepotism. Steinberger was bad enough, but at least he had a fire in his belly, Hank should sell out, he ain't no baseball man.

2/3/2012 11:24:01 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

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hard cap from here... you see, i don't mind the owners making a mint, just want to see the championships come from great management and good players... the owners, then, could buy their own stadia, make them wonderful, not like the zoo in new jersey... did anyone else hear the new york media complaining about their new stadium vs the one in indiana?...

2/3/2012 1:23:54 PMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

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Quote from funnytoo:
hard cap from here... you see, i don't mind the owners making a mint, just want to see the championships come from great management and good players... the owners, then, could buy their own stadia, make them wonderful, not like the zoo in new jersey... did anyone else hear the new york media complaining about their new stadium vs the one in indiana?...


1. best owners even Hal and Hank knew what their dad Greorge built
2. yanks are internationally known/ very few teams can say that
3. to play in largest city in the world you have to provide the best for the fans
4. they market like nobody's business the Yanks do
5. ever step into new YS--even visiting teams love it there as do the media
6. not all owners make a mint and for a long time some owners put that lux tax from yanks into their pockets before improving on their teams...now it seems low market teams are building from draft and finishing near the bottom each year/ smart teams draft pitching but seem to finish low and annually get those picks...Tampa use to be like that but see how they get hitters by FA most likely but won't trade their pitching for an everyday players most of the time is my point...
7. great managers are there more then 3 per league
8. this is a baseball thread funnytoo and if you're talking of Giant's Stadium I don't like the exteria of it one bit but inside is enormous...BTW The stadium is built over swamp in ther industrial area...it's only a matter of time that the place becomes toxic is what i dislike about complex...

2/3/2012 8:31:12 PMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

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Quote from sorpstar:
1. best owners even Hal and Hank knew what their dad Greorge built
2. yanks are internationally known/ very few teams can say that
3. to play in largest city in the world you have to provide the best for the fans
4. they market like nobody's business the Yanks do
5. ever step into new YS--even visiting teams love it there as do the media
6. not all owners make a mint and for a long time some owners put that lux tax from yanks into their pockets before improving on their teams...now it seems low market teams are building from draft and finishing near the bottom each year/ smart teams draft pitching but seem to finish low and annually get those picks...Tampa use to be like that but see how they get hitters by FA most likely but won't trade their pitching for an everyday players most of the time is my point...
7. great managers are there more then 3 per league
8. this is a baseball thread funnytoo and if you're talking of Giant's Stadium I don't like the exteria of it one bit but inside is enormous...BTW The stadium is built over swamp in ther industrial area...it's only a matter of time that the place becomes toxic is what i dislike about complex...


interesting, useless, but interesting... and you are aware that nyc is no longer the biggest city in the world?, your #3 hence is wrong... (i believe it is presently mexico city, could be wrong, but mexico city is bigger than nyc...

2/4/2012 2:35:42 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 
mortnd
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Quote from funnytoo:
hard cap from here... you see, i don't mind the owners making a mint, just want to see the championships come from great management and good players... the owners, then, could buy their own stadia, make them wonderful, not like the zoo in new jersey... did anyone else hear the new york media complaining about their new stadium vs the one in indiana?...

No Funny, didn't hear that one regarding the complaints about NY/NJ vs. Indiana.
Indiana will build it better anyway.

2/4/2012 9:53:12 AMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

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Quote from funnytoo:
interesting, useless, but interesting... and you are aware that nyc is no longer the biggest city in the world?, your #3 hence is wrong... (i believe it is presently mexico city, could be wrong, but mexico city is bigger than nyc...


Mexico city --then how come they don't have a ML team there--so maybe the Tigers should move there / your SS check can get you season tickets threre funny CHEAP

2/4/2012 1:07:00 PMFive Arguments Against an MLB Salary Cap: 

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morty and sorpy, my two... favorite... guys around here

morty, nat'l broadcasters seem to live in/near nyc, and complain about the new jersey stadium all the time, and are flumoxed that your stadium, among many in the world is a great one...

sorpy, you don't get it, it is the SIZE of the city i was talking about, and MC is bigger than your nyc... baseball is there, just not mlb, it will come, but far off in the future, i'd think... as to your sorry assed comment about detroit tigers going there, i think that would make you happy, wouldn't it? not having to lose to them all the time as a yankee fan?

post season one up det/ny, det 2-0, i do believe

there are other great sport cities than nyc, grow up and accept it, baby boy!